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Re: [Cal_Boats] Test 4

Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Test 4From: Gerald Sobel Date: 6/20/12, 6:21 PMTo: Cal_Boats-at-yahoogroups.com

Danny, San Miguel, in moderation.Jerry From: danny covington To: Cal_Boats-at-yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 6:12 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Test 4

Could this be moderated?



From: Michael Robinson
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 9:06 PM
To: Cal boats List
Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Test 4

Phuket Beer:

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Mike
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Jun 2012 18:56:25 -0600Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Test 4


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16:28:28 -0700Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Test 4

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Re: [Cal_Boats] Gas Tank Vent problem -- need some advice quickly.

Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Gas Tank Vent problem -- need some advice quickly.From: Cal_Boats-at-yahoogroups.com [mailto:Cal_Boats-at-yahoogroups.com] On Behalf= Of Bert PesakTo: Cal_Boats-at-yahoogroups.com

AllenI have been told that later model ford 4x4 trucks use 5/8 molded fuel for their filler vent? Maybe auto parts or ford dealer?Chuck Fromat: Harleigh Ewell To: Cal_Boats-at-yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 7:08 AM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Gas Tank Vent problem -- need some advice quickly.

From the sketch, I can t see any provision to keep water out of the fuel tank. Harleigh Ewell From: Cal_Boats-at-yahoogroups.com [mailto:Cal_Boats-at-yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bert PesakSent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 8:55 AMTo:
Cal_Boats-at-yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Gas Tank Vent problem -- need some advice quickly. https://www.pegasusautoracing.com/group ... =COOLELB90 Bert PesakOn Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 11:18 PM, Allen Edwards allen.p.edwards-at-gmail.com> wrote: I had a nice plan for my new gas tank but just found out that the shipwright made the floor 1 inch higher and thus there is only 2 3/4 inches from the top of the tank vent to the underside of the cockpit sole. The 5/8 fuel line I bought for the vent hose kinks if you bend it that tight. Does anyone know what materials are OK for an elbow? Is there some rubber hose elbow I can buy that would give a tighter bend? Maybe more flexible hose. I don't know what to do. The only elbow with hose barbs I can find is this
one http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/st ... sNum=50648 and I find no indication that it is OK for gasoline. Doesn't say one way or the other. The tank is installed and the cockpit sole goes on tomorrow. I don't have much time. I would welcome all ideas. Allen PS. Sketch attached shows the impossible vent hose going through the cockpit sole.
There is also a frame in the way but we can move that.



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Harleigh Ewell

From: Cal_Boats-at-yahoogroups.com [mailto:Cal_Boats-at-yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Bert Pesak
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 8:55 AM
To: Cal_Boats-at-yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Gas Tank Vent problem -- need some advice quickly.

https://www.pegasusautoracing.com/group ... =COOLELB90

Bert Pesak

On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 11:18 PM, Allen Edwards
wrote:

I had a nice plan for my new gas tank but just found out that the shipwright
made the floor 1 inch higher and thus there is only 2 3/4 inches from the
top of the tank vent to the underside of the cockpit sole. The 5/8 fuel
line I bought for the vent hose kinks if you bend it that tight.

Does anyone know what materials are OK for an elbow? Is there some rubber
hose elbow I can buy that would give a tighter bend? Maybe more flexible
hose. I don't know what to do.

The only elbow with hose barbs I can find is this one
http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/st ... ?productId
=11766
http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/st ... y?productI
d=11766catalogId=10001langId=-1storeId=11151storeNum=50632subdeptNum=50
646classNum=50648>
catalogId=10001langId=-1storeId=11151storeNum=50632subdeptNum=50646cla
ssNum=50648 and I find no indication that it is OK for gasoline. Doesn't
say one way or the other.

The tank is installed and the cockpit sole goes on tomorrow. I don't have
much time.

I would welcome all ideas.

Allen

PS. Sketch attached shows the impossible vent hose going through the
cockpit sole. There is also a frame in the way but we can move that.

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If you can't or won't work on things yourself, you will be yard-whipped out=
of boating. I wouldn't recommend boat ownership to anyone who isn't prep=
ared to enjoy the hours spent tinkering with a boat.

I am so glad that I picked up my Cal 28 at a fire sale. Sure, it's got ple=
nty to keep me occupied. But it caused to me to locate and find this group=
, which is the liveliest interchange of owner ideas and support on keeping =
the old things going I have found. I also subscribe to the Capri 26 list,=
the Beachcomber 25 list, and the Willard list. Cal is the best!

George Barlow
Cal 28 No. 155
"Knackered"
Eagle Mountain Lake, Texas=20

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> Listmates:
>=20
> The latest /WoodenBoat/ magazine has a piece on the restoration of the=20
> Charles W. Morgan at Mystic Seaport. It includes some mini-profiles of=20
> the shipwrights working on the project. One was a young guy who said he=

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> was amazed at how none of his friends know how to make things, and they=20
> were equally amazed that he does. This gets back to my rant about shop=20
> class (or the modern lack thereof). As a kid I was lucky because my=20
> father and neighbors all knew how to make things, and I learned by=20
> watching and by doing. I had friends who were completely clueless.=20=20
> Their dads did not have or use tools and they had no chance to use them=20
> either.
>=20
> I've also subscribed for a long time to a magazine called /Old House=20
> Journal/. Years ago it was about how to do things: "here's how to=20
> replace a window sill in a double-hung window." Now it's about style and=

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> what your contractor should do. "Have your contractor replace those=20
> nasty sills with Honduras mahogany."
>=20
> I prefer doing things myself, if they seem feasible. This weekend I=20
> tried lobster buoy paint on the vinyl rubrail on my Cal 20. The paint=20
> is from Hamilton Marine. I'll report on effectiveness later (my brother=

=20

> asked, "Is it going to peel off the first time you slide against a=20
> piling?). It was a bit picky--the solvent evaporated quickly, making it=

=20

> hard to keep a wet edge. It's not exactly a high-gloss outcome, but if=20
> it keeps the chalk off of me and my clothes, it will be an improvement. =

=20

> I couldn't find the MSDS on the manufacturer's web site so I've e-mailed=

=20

> them about it--adding some solvent on warm and windy days might be=20
> helpful for application.
>=20
> Chris Campbell
>

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Jerry, I was on the 42 ...dolphi=
n something or=20
other, I am so tired.....nbsp;felt like I =
was on a=20
floating condo.... We did however take a third out of nine. In any=
=20
event It was a nice time out there. I might have spotted you for a second. =
Were=20
you in a Lapworth 24? But I did here your name at the yacht club called out=
for=20
a trophy..way to go!!!I I didn't see=
any 29's but=20
did see a Cal 34 with a spin.
Mark

----- Original Message -----
From:=20
"sobel_solar-at-yahoo.com" ymailto=3D"mailto:sob=
el_solar-at-yahoo.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:sobel_solar-at-yahoo.com"=

>Gerald=20

Sobel
To: al_Boats-at-yahoogroups.com" ymailto=3D"mailto:Cal_Boats-at-yahoogroups.com" targ=
et=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:Cal_Boats-at-yahoogroups.com">Cal_Boats-at-yahoogrou=
ps.com
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 8:36 PM=

Subject: [Cal_Boats] City of Hope =
Regatta=20
(Mark)
nbsp;=20

Mark,
Which Catalina where U on? Our local Cat 42 Celerity took firs=
t.=20
After saying I'd do the race I felt I couldn't back out even tho, getting=
up=20
early makes me feel like [a] carp out of water. We flubbed the start by=20
mis-gauging the time it takes to reverse course twice and hit the start..=
.I=20
missed having my analogue watch; nothing beats having a graphic represent=
ation=20
of time. But we fought to keep the fleet in sight and as the wind built u=
p in=20
the afternoon my Cal was really picking up 'steam'. We saw consistent + o=
r -7=20
knots broad reaching back from the Santa Monica pier, and got some good=20
aerodymaic lift out of the poled out genny coming down the main channel, =
and=20
we picked off the last place Catalina 42 as we rounded the b=
end=20
passing fisherman's village.

But we didn't think we'd done that well, overall. So when one =
dock=20
make offered us Brandy, and another invited us over for cheese, crackers =
and=20
beer and an interesting, attractivenbsp; lady who had just written and=20
published a book joined us we decided to hang out. Later as fog drove in =
and=20
it got chilly we headed up to the Club, viewing the solar eclipse thru th=
e=20
clouds, quite awesome. We checked the posted results and were surprised w=
e=20
took second in our division, and folks were asking where were we?=20


By then really, really excellent modern jazz quartet was=20
performing; together withnbsp; female and male solo vocalists that were =
top=20
notch. I'll have to be sure to make it to more of these Sunday evening BB=
Q=20
concerts! They also are open to the public.
Jerry


From: Mark Alan Stahnke (=
MAS=20
Consulting) lt;masconsult-at-cox.netgt;To: Cal_Boats-at-yahoogroups.com=20
Sent: Friday, May 18,=
2012=20
9:44 PMSubject: Re:=20
[Cal_Boats] Cal 2-29 racing

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Number 1 know your boat and its upwi=
nd sweet spot=20
or groove. Get a martecnbsp;racing prop. You can win races with crappy s=
ails=20
if properly sized and adjusted for the conditions. We have done it=20
fornbsp;many years.nbsp;You will increasenbsp;the amount of winnings=20
withnbsp;newer sails that are designed and functioning properly.nbsp;Th=
ere=20
are manynbsp;adjustments that will tweak the cal 29 that have been alrea=
dy=20
mentioned.nbsp;But to reiterate lessnbsp;jib halyard tension will give =
a=20
better lift until the wind increases to where you need to spill out some=
=20
power. But younbsp;also need some of that power to pull you through the =
white=20
caps. So you have to find the balance between lift, staying powered up=20
nbsp;and weather helm. We always found that if the destination was DDW w=
e=20
stayed as close as possible to DDW.
nbsp;
Any of you racing this Sunday out of=
MDR City of=20
Hope Regatta? I will be on one of the Catalina 42's. Hope to see some of =
you=20
out there.
nbsp;
Mark
Cal 2-29
San Pedro
nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;

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From: "pwestla-at-aol.com" ymailto=3D"mailto:pwestla-at-aol.com" =
target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:pwestla-at-aol.com">pwestla-at-aol.com
>

To: "Cal_Boats-at-yahoogroups.com" ymailto=3D"mailto:Cal_Boats-at-yahoogroups.com" ta=
rget=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:Cal_Boats-at-yahoogroups.com">Cal_Boats-at-yahoogr=
oups.com=20

Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 6:54=
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PM
Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 2-2=
9=20
racing
nbsp;=20

Start with a good, clean smooth=20
bottom, then buy new sails and a feathering or folding prop.nbsp; You =
can=20
know all the tricks, have the best crew but w/o giving your boat the to=
ols=20
to work with there is only so much you can do. The rest is learning you=
r=20
boat.nbsp; I've been told it takes about 5 years to really learn a new=
boat=20
and so far that's proven to be true for me at=20
least.
nbsp;
Paul


>-----Original=20

Message-----From: Joseph McCloskey lt;jjmcclosk-at-yahoo.comgt;T=
o:=20
Cal_Boats lt;Cal_Boats-at-yahoogroups.comgt;Sent: Fri, May 18, 2012 =
9:36=20
pmSubject: [Cal_Boats] Cal 2-29 racing
nbsp;=20

Hi

Hope I can get some tips here for making my Cal 2-29 go fast !
I have raced Lightnings and J24's with some success in the past. I=
am=20
now attempting to race my Cal and need some go-fast tips. I know about =
a=20
good start and going the right way, but have had some trouble getting t=
he=20
old girl up to speed. Any advise from the group would be appreciated

Thanks
Joe


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The oil issue is a concern as it make be think, does this guy know what he
is doing. I would pump out the oil, and replace it with fresh, at the right
level for your engine and at the operating angle recognizing that you will
not get it out. Put a magnet in the oil you collected to make sure there
are no filings in there.

The carb issue is one that requires action IMHO. Its theft. Do what you can
to get your carb back.

Wrt to costs...well I would raise that issue when I contact the company
requesting my carb back. Talk to the owner if at all possible rather then
the folks you have been. Be civil but determined

Check with a local mechanic or perhaps Joe D on these issues to get
confirmation, then deal with it accordingly.

Good luck.

/ch

On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 8:35 AM, Allen Edwards wrote:


>
>
> I am having some problems figuring out if I am getting the truth from the
> guy who just rebuilt my engine. It started with him saying it would take 2
> days to ship the engine to him and having it take 2 weeks out and one week
> back. Best I can tell, it took him a week to put the order in. A week
> with him telling me it would be picked up that day (every day). California
> to New Jersey in 2 days seemed like a stretch so I allowed a week, not two.
> It didn't help that the bill was over the "worst case" number by about
> $800. New crank, new head, new starter, OK that is expensive so fair price
> for that stuff. He shipped it back COD and told me it would be $275 but it
> was $429. He said the engine weight was 320 pounds but the freight company
> said 465 pounds. Got the engine back and the two sensors I asked to make
> sure were there didn't make it back. The final "little thing" was that the
> carb that I made a special point saying was working so well I wasn't even
> sure I wanted him to touch it came was switched. He said it was not
> switched and I would find my red paint under his black but I found green,
> indicating he didn't even boil it out but just gave me another carb. All
> this makes me wonder who I am dealing with.
>
> But the real question comes with the fact that there is water dripping out
> the side of the engine between the head and the block. He claims that is
> normal and will go away if I re-torque the head. I never heard of such a
> thing and it didn't go away torquing it cold, or hot but I have been told
> by someone else that I need to torque it cold after being hot, something I
> can't do until Monday when I return from a trip. Should I believe him? Do
> I have a non-issue or a serious problem. I don't know.
>
> The final thing is that he says he ran it for 15 hours but I am wondering
> how it is that when I ran it for 15 minutes I had oil dripping out the
> cover plate on the trans. Maybe he ran it flat and I have it at the normal
> angle in the boat so I am going with the possibility that there is an
> innocent explanation. There is about 1/4 quart too much oil in it (he put
> the oil in) which someone told me is a sign the engine was run flat
> (horizontal). There is oil dripping from the bottom of the engine. I sure
> hope it is from this cover plate leak and not a rear main seal. Probable
> dripped down and under until it got to the back of the engine where it then
> dripped into the bilge.
>
> Has anyone dealt with Dave? Anyone think it is normal to have water drip
> from a newly re built engine with a new head?
>
> Allen
>
>
>


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I am having some problems figuring out if I am getting the truth from the g=
uy who just rebuilt my engine. =A0It started with him saying it would take =
2 days to ship the engine to him and having it take 2 weeks out and one wee=
k back. =A0Best I can tell, it took him a week to put the order in. =A0A we=
ek with him telling me it would be picked up that day (every day). =A0Calif=
ornia to New Jersey in 2 days seemed like a stretch so I allowed a week, no=
t two. =A0It didn#39;t help that the bill was over the quot;worst casequ=
ot; number by about $800. =A0New crank, new head, new starter, OK that is e=
xpensive so fair price for that stuff. =A0He shipped it back COD and told m=
e it would be $275 but it was $429. =A0He said the engine weight was 320 po=
unds but the freight company said 465 pounds. =A0Got the engine back and th=
e two sensors I asked to make sure were there didn#39;t make it back. =A0T=
he final quot;little thingquot; was that the carb that I made a special p=
oint saying was working so well I wasn#39;t even sure I wanted him to touc=
h it came was switched. =A0He said it was not switched and I would find my =
red paint under his black but I found green, indicating he didn#39;t even =
boil it out but just gave me another carb. =A0All this makes me wonder who =
I am dealing with.

But the real question comes with the fact that there is wate=
r dripping out the side of the engine between the head and the block. =A0He=
claims that is normal and will go away if I re-torque the head. =A0I never=
heard of such a thing and it didn#39;t go away torquing it cold, or hot b=
ut I have been told by someone else that I need to torque it cold after bei=
ng hot, something I can#39;t do until Monday when I return from a trip. =
=A0Should I believe him? =A0Do I have a non-issue or a serious problem. =A0=
I don#39;t know.

The final thing is that he says he ran it for 15 hours =
but I am wondering how it is that when I ran it for 15 minutes I had oil dr=
ipping out the cover plate on the trans. =A0Maybe he ran it flat and I have=
it at the normal angle in the boat so I am going with the possibility that=
there is an innocent=A0explanation. =A0There is about 1/4 quart too much o=
il in it (he put the oil in) which someone told me is a sign the engine was=
run flat (horizontal). =A0There is oil dripping from the bottom of the eng=
ine. =A0I sure hope it is from this cover plate leak and not a rear main se=
al. =A0Probable dripped down and under until it got to the back of the engi=
ne where it then dripped into the bilge.

Has anyone dealt with Dave? =A0Anyone think it is norma=
l to have water drip from a newly re built engine with a new head?Allen



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