Re: [Cal_Boats] Heads up on boatyard problems

Re: [Cal_Boats] Heads up on boatyard problems

2 messages2005-11-17 20:12 UTCthrough 2005-11-17 22:53 UTC

Re: [Cal_Boats] Heads up on boatyard problems

jm… [at] att.net2005-11-17 20:12 UTC
Well, I don't really like to get involved in these things, but I will add this. I don't think you really need an expert. It's a straight negligence case. All you'd have to do is explain that there are ways to do it that would have been easy and that would not have resulted in the damage (like foam on the mast, taking off the backstay, using good straps or cloth in between, etc.). (If there is a written contract, that makes it a little different, but I still don't think you'd need an expert.) If they are really being obstinant, they will ignore a lawyer letter. Happens all the time. They will wait for you to file a lawsuit, which they cannot ignore. For damage to a mast like that, and damage to topsides, I would say you are well above the limit of any small claims court. There are lots of small law offices that should consider taking it on a contingency basis (no, I do not know any, sorry). Call around. It's worth some time. If not for yourself, for yourself *and* the next guy. Mark -- J. Mark Lane Koo Larrabee Lau-Kee & Lane, LLP 106 Corporate Park Dr., Suite 110 White Plains, New York 10604 ph (914) 251-0001, Ext. 104 fx (914) 251-0969 web: www.kllklaw.com email: jm… [at] kllklaw.com -------------- Original message from Chris Campbell <cl… [at] traverse.com>: -------------- > > > jeribelle2000 wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > Just wanted to hopefully prevent anybody else from being taken to the > > cleaners. Here's the scenario. You be the judge. > > > > We contracted with a certain boatyard in Oxnard, CA to drop the mast > > and prep the Morgan for shipment. The two yards in that harbor are > > charging 3 times the going rate for this service anywhere else in the > > country. We have estimates to prove that one. > > > > Secondly, they used duct tape to wrap the mast instead of the > > industry standard low stick tape made for just that purpose, affixing > > tape directly to the painted mast. The topping lift was not removed; > > the steel wire was laid alongside the painted mast and then wrapped. > > The mast was chafed the whole way from Oxnard to Anacortes WA. > > > > They did not protect the hull from the straps when they lifted the > > boat from the water. We now have nasty black marks, three per side, > > on the previously pristine hull. > > > > I complained to the company and requested repairs. I provided photos. > > The owner of the company sent me back a refusal, along with a photo > > of somebody else's badly corroded mast. The extrusion on the photo in > > no way is the same as what we have on our mast. The owner refuses to > > pay, and no longer responds. He has refused to give us the name of > > his insurance company for us to contact them directly. > > > > > There are some options. You can threaten to sue, if it's a realistic > threat (are you close enough to where the yard is that you could > participate in litigation?). A lawyer's letter might work, but you'll > need to find a good one and pay something. You can go ahead and sue, if > there's enough money involved. This would require having an expert > prepared to testify about the industry standards for boat prep and > protection, and about the cost of making yours right. If you win, you'll > get the money for all that back. It's all a question of how much is > involved, how mad you are, and what your tolerance for a process like > litigation is. > > Some people get mad and want to teach the SOB a lesson. Other people > would rather go sailing and eat the cost, because the tranquility is > worth it. These are all personal decisions. A good lawyer will discuss > the trade-offs with you. > > Chris Campbell > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Re: [Cal_Boats] Heads up on boatyard problems

jm… [at] att.net2005-11-17 22:53 UTC
Those are sure wise words, Chris. I could not agree more. Well said. Mark -- J. Mark Lane Koo Larrabee Lau-Kee & Lane, LLP 106 Corporate Park Dr., Suite 110 White Plains, New York 10604 ph (914) 251-0001, Ext. 104 fx (914) 251-0969 web: www.kllklaw.com email: jm… [at] kllklaw.com -------------- Original message from Chris Campbell <cl… [at] traverse.com>: -------------- Rog Jones wrote: Sue the bastards. See my response to this posting. It's a common perception that we lawyers encourage litigation, but good lawyers are very cautious about that. It's often the client who demands to sue, and the lawyer who says "wait a minute." Lawyers know that litigation is usually very unpleasant for everybody. I've never had a client who said "I can hardly wait to get on the witness stand!" My job is to help the client make a good decision about whether a lawsuit is appropriate. It involves the importance of the issue (and how much $$$ involved), the quality of the evidence, the state of the pertinent law, and--not least--the client's tolerance for uncertainty and stress. Some people imagine that they'll go to a lawyer's office, pay some money, sign some papers, and then sit at home until justice is done and the check arrives. It ain't that way. Any time a lawyer encourages litigation without helping the client understand what's involved, the client would be well advised to get a 2d opinion. Chris Campbell SPONSORED LINKS Boating sailing Sailing boat Sailing Boating YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "Cal_Boats" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.