Re: [cal] Need Advice Please - Replacing vinyl headliner on Cal 35 (Doug)

Hello Dave: I should be around tomorrow, Monday. Or Tuesday am. You can email me back at do… [at] yahoo.com Sea Ya.... Doug Gardner 1984 Cal35 MkII "Coeur d'Or" Newport Beach, CA biggs dave <im… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: Doug, Excellent comments and I agree that the layout of the MKII is just about perfect. I drove down from San Francisco to Newport Beach for a short Christmas visit with the Folks. I brought my folding bike from my boat to ride around the harbor. Boat watching here is as good as it gets. I'd like to check yours out. Just from the outside of course. Where is she berthed? Thanks. Dave 80 Cal 35 MKI, #32, Runnin Late Coyote Pt, SF Bay "Rafael E. Cordero" <co… [at] caribe.net> wrote: Doug; Question, in addition to the 35 MkII, which are the other Cal models designed under or influenced by the old IOR rules? Rafael ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Gardner To: co… [at] caribe.net Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 12:03 PM Subject: RE: [cal] Need Advice Please - Replacing vinyl headliner on Cal 35 (Charlie) Hi Chalie: I have a 1984 Cal35 MkII. The MkII is basically the same hull as the earlier 35's, but a taller rig, shorter boom, and totally different interior. I much perfer the MkII over the earlier boats. Here are the Pros: The MkII has some great features for a boat of this size, even against todays standards of "wide butt" boats. It has a U-shaped galley, with twin stainless galley sinks in the midline, rather than the galley down one side with the sink "on the rail." She has a nav station forward facing just below the companionway, so the naviguesser can call up to the cockpit for strategy. She has a seperate shower stall in the head, which may be used for a wet locker and extra storage when you are not taking a shower. There are two sizable hanging lockers forward, one is even cedar lined. The forward cabin is very roomy, with built in storage, drawers, and lots of shelving. The main salon table is a double drop leaf, with "liquid ballast" storage in the center. There is a quarter berth on the starboard side, which is where I sleep underway so I have quick access to the cockpit if necessary. The engine is a 4 cyl Universal Diesel with plenty of HP to get her up to hull speed (about 7.2kts). I put a MaxProp 2-blade feathering prop on her and she gains a 1/2 knot in light air, and backs just as fast as she goes forward. Engine access is super, with everything accessible except the starter, which is still managable. She has a keel stepped mast, large single spreader mast section, and twin lowers. I do not fear the rig would fail. Just keep the standing rigging fresh. Now the Cons: She was designed with the old IOR rules, with pinched ends, and gets bucked around a bit in following seas. Some say that the IOR designs of Bill Lapworth were marginable at best. To me, the rule is the problem, not Bill's design. She is not very competitive as a racer, however, I have had some success in "cruising class" as that is what she does best. If you are looking for a GREAT cruising boat for a realitive BARGAN compaired to today's $200,000 35 footers, buy one for $35,000 and use the rest of your money to go cruising. -Doug Gardner 1984 Cal 35 MkII #85 "Coeur d'Or" Newport Beach, CA Husar Charlie <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote: For Matt and Dave: I have a friend who is looking at getting a CAL 35 (1983). He was looking for info, and pros and cons on the boat. Cheers Charlie Husar Annapolis CAL 25s and CAL40 From: Matt Fesak [mailto:ml… [at] virginia.edu] Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 3:01 PM To: cal Subject: [cal] Need Advice Please - Replacing vinyl headliner on Cal 35 I bought a 1980 Cal 35 over the summer and am now living aboard on the North Carolina coast. When I bought the boat the headliner was in terrible shape -- some of the panels were altogether missing along the ceiling, and the glue holding it to the sides of the coachroof had deteriorated long ago due to leaks around the portlights. My initial plan was to tear it all down and just finish/paint the underside of the coachroof. After all, I am in the midst of updating the running rigging (I want to run my control lines to the cockpit) for which I need access to the underside of the coachroof for installation of the deck hardware. Plus, I like the idea of having easy access to the backing plates & bolts. Then, winter started setting in and it struck me that it would be a good idea to insulate the cabin. I found some 3/4" space-age stuff that would be ideal for the job, but if I put that in then I'm going to want to cover it up with something that looks halfway nice. So now I'm back to square 1 of replacing the headliner. I'm really not at all excited about putting a new vinyl headliner back up -- not only because it looks like I'll have to dismantle half the boat's interior (e.g., take trim rings off hatches and portlights, take down the handrails and some of the cabinetry, and maybe even pull the mast) to form it correctly, but also because I won't be any better off the next time I need access to the underside of the deck. On the other hand, as I said, if I insulate, I don't know how else to make the interior look nice. Has anyone out there replaced their headliner or encountered a similar situation? (Or at least offer some words of advice to make me feel better even if you have no idea what you're talking about!?!) 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Doug Gardner <do… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: Hello Dave: I should be around tomorrow, Monday. Or Tuesday am. You can email me back at do… [at] yahoo.com Sea Ya.... Doug Gardner 1984 Cal35 MkII "Coeur d'Or" Newport Beach, CA biggs dave <im… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: Doug, Excellent comments and I agree that the layout of the MKII is just about perfect. I drove down from San Francisco to Newport Beach for a short Christmas visit with the Folks. I brought my folding bike from my boat to ride around the harbor. Boat watching here is as good as it gets. I'd like to check yours out. Just from the outside of course. Where is she berthed? Thanks. Dave 80 Cal 35 MKI, #32, Runnin Late Coyote Pt, SF Bay "Rafael E. Cordero" <co… [at] caribe.net> wrote: Doug; Question, in addition to the 35 MkII, which are the other Cal models designed under or influenced by the old IOR rules? Rafael ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Gardner To: co… [at] caribe.net Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 12:03 PM Subject: RE: [cal] Need Advice Please - Replacing vinyl headliner on Cal 35 (Charlie) Hi Chalie: I have a 1984 Cal35 MkII. The MkII is basically the same hull as the earlier 35's, but a taller rig, shorter boom, and totally different interior. I much perfer the MkII over the earlier boats. Here are the Pros: The MkII has some great features for a boat of this size, even against todays standards of "wide butt" boats. It has a U-shaped galley, with twin stainless galley sinks in the midline, rather than the galley down one side with the sink "on the rail." She has a nav station forward facing just below the companionway, so the naviguesser can call up to the cockpit for strategy. She has a seperate shower stall in the head, which may be used for a wet locker and extra storage when you are not taking a shower. There are two sizable hanging lockers forward, one is even cedar lined. The forward cabin is very roomy, with built in storage, drawers, and lots of shelving. The main salon table is a double drop leaf, with "liquid ballast" storage in the center. There is a quarter berth on the starboard side, which is where I sleep underway so I have quick access to the cockpit if necessary. The engine is a 4 cyl Universal Diesel with plenty of HP to get her up to hull speed (about 7.2kts). I put a MaxProp 2-blade feathering prop on her and she gains a 1/2 knot in light air, and backs just as fast as she goes forward. Engine access is super, with everything accessible except the starter, which is still managable. She has a keel stepped mast, large single spreader mast section, and twin lowers. I do not fear the rig would fail. Just keep the standing rigging fresh. Now the Cons: She was designed with the old IOR rules, with pinched ends, and gets bucked around a bit in following seas. Some say that the IOR designs of Bill Lapworth were marginable at best. To me, the rule is the problem, not Bill's design. She is not very competitive as a racer, however, I have had some success in "cruising class" as that is what she does best. If you are looking for a GREAT cruising boat for a realitive BARGAN compaired to today's $200,000 35 footers, buy one for $35,000 and use the rest of your money to go cruising. -Doug Gardner 1984 Cal 35 MkII #85 "Coeur d'Or" Newport Beach, CA Husar Charlie <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote: For Matt and Dave: I have a friend who is looking at getting a CAL 35 (1983). He was looking for info, and pros and cons on the boat. Cheers Charlie Husar Annapolis CAL 25s and CAL40 From: Matt Fesak [mailto:ml… [at] virginia.edu] Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 3:01 PM To: cal Subject: [cal] Need Advice Please - Replacing vinyl headliner on Cal 35 I bought a 1980 Cal 35 over the summer and am now living aboard on the North Carolina coast. When I bought the boat the headliner was in terrible shape -- some of the panels were altogether missing along the ceiling, and the glue holding it to the sides of the coachroof had deteriorated long ago due to leaks around the portlights. My initial plan was to tear it all down and just finish/paint the underside of the coachroof. After all, I am in the midst of updating the running rigging (I want to run my control lines to the cockpit) for which I need access to the underside of the coachroof for installation of the deck hardware. Plus, I like the idea of having easy access to the backing plates & bolts. Then, winter started setting in and it struck me that it would be a good idea to insulate the cabin. I found some 3/4" space-age stuff that would be ideal for the job, but if I put that in then I'm going to want to cover it up with something that looks halfway nice. So now I'm back to square 1 of replacing the headliner. I'm really not at all excited about putting a new vinyl headliner back up -- not only because it looks like I'll have to dismantle half the boat's interior (e.g., take trim rings off hatches and portlights, take down the handrails and some of the cabinetry, and maybe even pull the mast) to form it correctly, but also because I won't be any better off the next time I need access to the underside of the deck. On the other hand, as I said, if I insulate, I don't know how else to make the interior look nice. Has anyone out there replaced their headliner or encountered a similar situation? (Or at least offer some words of advice to make me feel better even if you have no idea what you're talking about!?!) 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