CAL 27 Pop-Top - More Personal Questions (Steve)

Hi, Steve. A few observations and a few questions, if I might. Observations: The CAL 25 has a longer "E" than you have. So there! We share the pop-top legacy with you. However, your pop-top is immense. A CAL 27 pop-top that sat on blocks in the yard for years at Whitehall Yacht Yard outside of Annapolis finally sold. The new owner has the boat only a few slips away from my CAL 25 rebuild project. There are modern lines with intermediate low stretch that might remove the need for going wire to rope. All CAL 25s in this area have gone all "rope". The sheaves have not presented any problem. Works well. Questions: Concerning rope to wire, do you have a winch on the mast for the main, or does the line come back to the cockpit? Given that you have a mast height of 34-1/2 feet and if you have a winch on the mast, the jib wire with sail raised would want to stop just in front of the forward sheave, give you some wraps on the winch, but end before you went to your cleat. This says you want 35 feet of wire, which would stop the lowered halyard about 3 feet above the deck at the jib tack. For the main, do you have an upper band on the mast that limits raising of main? Do you have a winch on mast for main? In any case, I'd say 35 feet is good. A foot across the sheaves, 32 feet from top mast to winch, 2 feet for wrapping on winch. This one is less critical than jib. Voila, same answer. If too long, put one more wrap on winch. How high is the boom above the deck (guessing 3 feet)? How high are winches (if you have them) above deck (Guessing 2.5 feet). Do you race or cruise? Why is some clown on the Internet asking you all these questions? Cheers Charlie Husar Many CALs Annapolis, MD From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of st… [at] us.ul.com Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 8:25 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Wire-to-rope Halyard Specifications for 27' Pop-Top (Reggie) I don't even know you and you're asking about the size of my mast...I'm offended! If you really must know, it's standard. Thanks ! Steve Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com wrote on 01/21/2006 12:15:55 PM: > standard mast or tall mast? > > > >From: st… [at] us.ul.com > >Reply-To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > >To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > >Subject: [Cal_Boats] Wire-to-rope Halyard Specifications for 27' Pop-Top > >Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 11:34:41 -0600 > > > > > > > >It is likely to be a little sloppy and wet at the boatyard so, before I > >track mud all over my boat, I'm wondering if anyone knows what the correct > >wire-to-rope halyard specifications are for a 1972 27' pop-top. 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Hello, Charlie. > Concerning rope to wire, do you have a winch on the mast for the > main, or does the line come back to the cockpit? Given that you > have a mast height of 34-1/2 feet and if you have a winch on the > mast, the jib wire with sail raised would want to stop just in front > of the forward sheave, give you some wraps on the winch, but end > before you went to your cleat. This says you want 35 feet of wire, > which would stop the lowered halyard about 3 feet above the deck at > the jib tack. > > For the main, do you have an upper band on the mast that limits > raising of main? Do you have a winch on mast for main? In any > case, I'd say 35 feet is good. A foot across the sheaves, 32 feet > from top mast to winch, 2 feet for wrapping on winch. This one is > less critical than jib. Voila, same answer. If too long, put one > more wrap on winch. > > How high is the boom above the deck (guessing 3 feet)? How high are > winches (if you have them) above deck (Guessing 2.5 feet). All halyards are routed to cockpit. I have two winches (on either side of the pop-top hatch) and one wench in the forward berth. I wanted lazy-jacks but it seemed four halyards plus the lazy-jacks would be too messy so I brought the halyards inside the mast. That is, all except the main since this was replaced by the previous owner and consisted of wire with a thimble, tied to a sheet with a bowline. I planned to replace this halyard last year...but forgot to. I only remembered the day I was scheduled to step the mast. So, I went another season with the main halyard fouling everything possible (particularity the steamer light). I was just gonna order some pre-made wire-to-rope halyards then match them against the old. The wire size is what I was not sure of. You indicated many have gone to all rope, is there an advantage? > > Do you race or cruise? Cruise. I may join our local club this season. Then I could crew and learn, maybe trying it for myself at some point. > > Why is some clown on the Internet asking you all these questions? I don't mind...just don't poke fun of my "E". Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com wrote on 01/22/2006 02:42:48 AM: > Hi, Steve. A few observations and a few questions, if I might. > > Observations: > > The CAL 25 has a longer "E" than you have. So there! > > We share the pop-top legacy with you. However, your pop-top is immense. > > A CAL 27 pop-top that sat on blocks in the yard for years at > Whitehall Yacht Yard outside of Annapolis finally sold. The new > owner has the boat only a few slips away from my CAL 25 rebuild project. > > There are modern lines with intermediate low stretch that might > remove the need for going wire to rope. All CAL 25s in this area > have gone all "rope". The sheaves have not presented any problem. > Works well. > > Questions: > > > Cheers > Charlie Husar > Many CALs > Annapolis, MD > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of st… [at] us.ul.com > Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 8:25 PM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Wire-to-rope Halyard Specifications for 27' > Pop-Top (Reggie) > I don't even know you and you're asking about the size of my mast... > I'm offended! > > If you really must know, it's standard. > > Thanks ! > Steve > > > Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com wrote on 01/21/2006 12:15:55 PM: > > > standard mast or tall mast? > > > > > > >From: st… [at] us.ul.com > > >Reply-To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > >To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > >Subject: [Cal_Boats] Wire-to-rope Halyard Specifications for 27' Pop-Top > > >Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 11:34:41 -0600 > > > > > > > > > > > >It is likely to be a little sloppy and wet at the boatyard so, before I > > >track mud all over my boat, I'm wondering if anyone knows what the correct > > >wire-to-rope halyard specifications are for a 1972 27' pop-top. I need the > > >main and jib. > > > > > >Thanks in advance ! > > > > > >Steve Urbanski > > >1972 Cal 27 Pop-Top, #141 > > >Elizabeth Grace > > >Jackson Park, Chicago > > > > > >- For more information about UL, its Marks, and its services for > > >EMC, quality registrations and product certifications for global > > >markets, please access our web sites at http://www.ul.com and > > >http://www.ulc.ca or contact your local sales representative. -- > > > > > >********* Internet E-mail Confidentiality Disclaimer ********** > > >This e-mail message may contain privileged or confidential > > >information. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not > > >disclose, use, disseminate, distribute, copy or rely upon this > > >message or attachment in any way. 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I have a Cal227 and have gone to all rope halyards the advantages include no more fish hooks and (I think) lower prices. In addition there is more latitude on sizing the length, as long as it's too long you have no problems. As far fouling on the streaming light I eliminated this problem by attaching a very light line between the upper shroud and the mast at the streaming light location. This prevents the halyard from getting in front of the mast and getting caught, this problem occurs with internal halyards as well as external halyards. _____ From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of st… [at] us.ul.com Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 12:45 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL 27 Pop-Top - More Personal Questions (Steve) Hello, Charlie. > Concerning rope to wire, do you have a winch on the mast for the > main, or does the line come back to the cockpit? Given that you > have a mast height of 34-1/2 feet and if you have a winch on the > mast, the jib wire with sail raised would want to stop just in front > of the forward sheave, give you some wraps on the winch, but end > before you went to your cleat. This says you want 35 feet of wire, > which would stop the lowered halyard about 3 feet above the deck at > the jib tack. > > For the main, do you have an upper band on the mast that limits > raising of main? Do you have a winch on mast for main? In any > case, I'd say 35 feet is good. A foot across the sheaves, 32 feet > from top mast to winch, 2 feet for wrapping on winch. This one is > less critical than jib. Voila, same answer. If too long, put one > more wrap on winch. > > How high is the boom above the deck (guessing 3 feet)? How high are > winches (if you have them) above deck (Guessing 2.5 feet). All halyards are routed to cockpit. I have two winches (on either side of the pop-top hatch) and one wench in the forward berth. I wanted lazy-jacks but it seemed four halyards plus the lazy-jacks would be too messy so I brought the halyards inside the mast. That is, all except the main since this was replaced by the previous owner and consisted of wire with a thimble, tied to a sheet with a bowline. I planned to replace this halyard last year...but forgot to. I only remembered the day I was scheduled to step the mast. So, I went another season with the main halyard fouling everything possible (particularity the steamer light). I was just gonna order some pre-made wire-to-rope halyards then match them against the old. The wire size is what I was not sure of. You indicated many have gone to all rope, is there an advantage? > > Do you race or cruise? Cruise. I may join our local club this season. Then I could crew and learn, maybe trying it for myself at some point. > > Why is some clown on the Internet asking you all these questions? I don't mind...just don't poke fun of my "E". Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com wrote on 01/22/2006 02:42:48 AM: > Hi, Steve. A few observations and a few questions, if I might. > > Observations: > > The CAL 25 has a longer "E" than you have. So there! > > We share the pop-top legacy with you. However, your pop-top is immense. > > A CAL 27 pop-top that sat on blocks in the yard for years at > Whitehall Yacht Yard outside of Annapolis finally sold. The new > owner has the boat only a few slips away from my CAL 25 rebuild project. > > There are modern lines with intermediate low stretch that might > remove the need for going wire to rope. All CAL 25s in this area > have gone all "rope". The sheaves have not presented any problem. > Works well. > > Questions: > > > Cheers > Charlie Husar > Many CALs > Annapolis, MD > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of st… [at] us.ul.com > Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 8:25 PM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Wire-to-rope Halyard Specifications for 27' > Pop-Top (Reggie) > I don't even know you and you're asking about the size of my mast... > I'm offended! > > If you really must know, it's standard. > > Thanks ! > Steve > > > Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com wrote on 01/21/2006 12:15:55 PM: > > > standard mast or tall mast? > > > > > > >From: st… [at] us.ul.com > > >Reply-To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > >To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > >Subject: [Cal_Boats] Wire-to-rope Halyard Specifications for 27' Pop-Top > > >Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 11:34:41 -0600 > > > > > > > > > > > >It is likely to be a little sloppy and wet at the boatyard so, before I > > >track mud all over my boat, I'm wondering if anyone knows what the correct > > >wire-to-rope halyard specifications are for a 1972 27' pop-top. 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John, What size line(s) did you use? Is the visibility of a 227 restricted much by the trunk section of the cabin? Thanks ! Steve Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com wrote on 01/22/2006 12:29:41 PM: > I have a Cal227 and have gone to all rope halyards the advantages > include no more fish hooks and (I think) lower prices. In addition > there is more latitude on sizing the length, as long as it?s too > long you have no problems. > > As far fouling on the streaming light I eliminated this problem by > attaching a very light line between the upper shroud and the mast at > the streaming light location. This prevents the halyard from > getting in front of the mast and getting caught, this problem occurs > with internal halyards as well as external halyards. > > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of st… [at] us.ul.com > Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 12:45 PM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL 27 Pop-Top - More Personal Questions (Steve) > > Hello, Charlie. > > > > Concerning rope to wire, do you have a winch on the mast for the > > main, or does the line come back to the cockpit? Given that you > > have a mast height of 34-1/2 feet and if you have a winch on the > > mast, the jib wire with sail raised would want to stop just in front > > of the forward sheave, give you some wraps on the winch, but end > > before you went to your cleat. This says you want 35 feet of wire, > > which would stop the lowered halyard about 3 feet above the deck at > > the jib tack. > > > > For the main, do you have an upper band on the mast that limits > > raising of main? Do you have a winch on mast for main? In any > > case, I'd say 35 feet is good. A foot across the sheaves, 32 feet > > from top mast to winch, 2 feet for wrapping on winch. This one is > > less critical than jib. Voila, same answer. If too long, put one > > more wrap on winch. > > > > How high is the boom above the deck (guessing 3 feet)? How high are > > winches (if you have them) above deck (Guessing 2.5 feet). > > > All halyards are routed to cockpit. I have two winches (on either > side of the pop-top hatch) and one wench in the forward berth. I > wanted lazy-jacks but it seemed four halyards plus the lazy-jacks > would be too messy so I brought the halyards inside the mast. That > is, all except the main since this was replaced by the previous > owner and consisted of wire with a thimble, tied to a sheet with a > bowline. I planned to replace this halyard last year...but forgot > to. I only remembered the day I was scheduled to step the mast. So, > I went another season with the main halyard fouling everything > possible (particularity the steamer light). > > I was just gonna order some pre-made wire-to-rope halyards then > match them against the old. The wire size is what I was not sure of. > > You indicated many have gone to all rope, is there an advantage? > > > > > Do you race or cruise? > > Cruise. I may join our local club this season. Then I could crew and > learn, maybe trying it for myself at some point. > > > > > Why is some clown on the Internet asking you all these questions? > > I don't mind...just don't poke fun of my "E". > > > Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com wrote on 01/22/2006 02:42:48 AM: > > > Hi, Steve. A few observations and a few questions, if I might. > > > > Observations: > > > > The CAL 25 has a longer "E" than you have. So there! > > > > We share the pop-top legacy with you. However, your pop-top is immense. > > > > A CAL 27 pop-top that sat on blocks in the yard for years at > > Whitehall Yacht Yard outside of Annapolis finally sold. The new > > owner has the boat only a few slips away from my CAL 25 rebuild project. > > > > There are modern lines with intermediate low stretch that might > > remove the need for going wire to rope. All CAL 25s in this area > > have gone all "rope". The sheaves have not presented any problem. > > Works well. > > > > Questions: > > > > > > Cheers > > Charlie Husar > > Many CALs > > Annapolis, MD > > > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] > > On Behalf Of st… [at] us.ul.com > > Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 8:25 PM > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Wire-to-rope Halyard Specifications for 27' > > Pop-Top (Reggie) > > > I don't even know you and you're asking about the size of my mast... > > I'm offended! > > > > If you really must know, it's standard. > > > > Thanks ! > > Steve > > > > > > Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com wrote on 01/21/2006 12:15:55 PM: > > > > > standard mast or tall mast? > > > > > > > > > >From: st… [at] us.ul.com > > > >Reply-To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > > >To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > > >Subject: [Cal_Boats] Wire-to-rope Halyard Specifications for 27' Pop-Top > > > >Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 11:34:41 -0600 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >It is likely to be a little sloppy and wet at the boatyard so, before I > > > >track mud all over my boat, I'm wondering if anyone knows what > the correct > > > >wire-to-rope halyard specifications are for a 1972 27' pop-top.I need the > > > >main and jib. > > > > > > > >Thanks in advance ! > > > > > > > >Steve Urbanski > > > >1972 Cal 27 Pop-Top, #141 > > > >Elizabeth Grace > > > >Jackson Park, Chicago > > > > > > > >- For more information about UL, its Marks, and its services for > > > >EMC, quality registrations and product certifications for global > > > >markets, please access our web sites at http://www.ul.com and > > > >http://www.ulc.ca or contact your local sales representative. -- > > > > > > > >********* Internet E-mail Confidentiality Disclaimer ********** > > > >This e-mail message may contain privileged or confidential > > > >information. 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I used 5/16" Sta Set-X I originally replaced all of the Halyards in 1988 and they lasted until about 2001. At that point there was some minor chafing so I retired them. The 227 cabin top hasn't been a big problem for visibility the genoa takes care of most of those issues all by itself! I had a flattop 25 before this boat so I understand the question but going to weather if you sit on the high side your line of sight is alongside the cabin top and if you are on the low side a 15 -20 degree angle of heal wipes out anyone's field of vision. Going downwind with a chute vision is unrestricted except for crew. The cabin top does deflect a few of the waves though. _____ From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of st… [at] us.ul.com Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 1:43 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] CAL 27 Pop-Top - More Personal Questions (John) John, What size line(s) did you use? Is the visibility of a 227 restricted much by the trunk section of the cabin? Thanks ! Steve Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com wrote on 01/22/2006 12:29:41 PM: > I have a Cal227 and have gone to all rope halyards the advantages > include no more fish hooks and (I think) lower prices. In addition > there is more latitude on sizing the length, as long as it's too > long you have no problems. > > As far fouling on the streaming light I eliminated this problem by > attaching a very light line between the upper shroud and the mast at > the streaming light location. This prevents the halyard from > getting in front of the mast and getting caught, this problem occurs > with internal halyards as well as external halyards. > > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of st… [at] us.ul.com > Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 12:45 PM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL 27 Pop-Top - More Personal Questions (Steve) > > Hello, Charlie. > > > > Concerning rope to wire, do you have a winch on the mast for the > > main, or does the line come back to the cockpit? Given that you > > have a mast height of 34-1/2 feet and if you have a winch on the > > mast, the jib wire with sail raised would want to stop just in front > > of the forward sheave, give you some wraps on the winch, but end > > before you went to your cleat. This says you want 35 feet of wire, > > which would stop the lowered halyard about 3 feet above the deck at > > the jib tack. > > > > For the main, do you have an upper band on the mast that limits > > raising of main? Do you have a winch on mast for main? In any > > case, I'd say 35 feet is good. A foot across the sheaves, 32 feet > > from top mast to winch, 2 feet for wrapping on winch. This one is > > less critical than jib. Voila, same answer. If too long, put one > > more wrap on winch. > > > > How high is the boom above the deck (guessing 3 feet)? How high are > > winches (if you have them) above deck (Guessing 2.5 feet). > > > All halyards are routed to cockpit. I have two winches (on either > side of the pop-top hatch) and one wench in the forward berth. I > wanted lazy-jacks but it seemed four halyards plus the lazy-jacks > would be too messy so I brought the halyards inside the mast. That > is, all except the main since this was replaced by the previous > owner and consisted of wire with a thimble, tied to a sheet with a > bowline. I planned to replace this halyard last year...but forgot > to. I only remembered the day I was scheduled to step the mast. So, > I went another season with the main halyard fouling everything > possible (particularity the steamer light). > > I was just gonna order some pre-made wire-to-rope halyards then > match them against the old. The wire size is what I was not sure of. > > You indicated many have gone to all rope, is there an advantage? > > > > > Do you race or cruise? > > Cruise. I may join our local club this season. Then I could crew and > learn, maybe trying it for myself at some point. > > > > > Why is some clown on the Internet asking you all these questions? > > I don't mind...just don't poke fun of my "E". > > > Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com wrote on 01/22/2006 02:42:48 AM: > > > Hi, Steve. A few observations and a few questions, if I might. > > > > Observations: > > > > The CAL 25 has a longer "E" than you have. So there! > > > > We share the pop-top legacy with you. However, your pop-top is immense. > > > > A CAL 27 pop-top that sat on blocks in the yard for years at > > Whitehall Yacht Yard outside of Annapolis finally sold. The new > > owner has the boat only a few slips away from my CAL 25 rebuild project. > > > > There are modern lines with intermediate low stretch that might > > remove the need for going wire to rope. All CAL 25s in this area > > have gone all "rope". The sheaves have not presented any problem. > > Works well. > > > > Questions: > > > > > > Cheers > > Charlie Husar > > Many CALs > > Annapolis, MD > > > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] > > On Behalf Of st… [at] us.ul.com > > Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 8:25 PM > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Wire-to-rope Halyard Specifications for 27' > > Pop-Top (Reggie) > > > I don't even know you and you're asking about the size of my mast... > > I'm offended! > > > > If you really must know, it's standard. > > > > Thanks ! > > Steve > > > > > > Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com wrote on 01/21/2006 12:15:55 PM: > > > > > standard mast or tall mast? > > > > > > > > > >From: st… [at] us.ul.com > > > >Reply-To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > > >To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > > >Subject: [Cal_Boats] Wire-to-rope Halyard Specifications for 27' Pop-Top > > > >Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 11:34:41 -0600 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >It is likely to be a little sloppy and wet at the boatyard so, before I > > > >track mud all over my boat, I'm wondering if anyone knows what > the correct > > > >wire-to-rope halyard specifications are for a 1972 27' pop-top.I need the > > > >main and jib. > > > > > > > >Thanks in advance ! > > > > > > > >Steve Urbanski > > > >1972 Cal 27 Pop-Top, #141 > > > >Elizabeth Grace > > > >Jackson Park, Chicago > > > > > > > >- For more information about UL, its Marks, and its services for > > > >EMC, quality registrations and product certifications for global > > > >markets, please access our web sites at http://www.ul.com and > > > >http://www.ulc.ca or contact your local sales representative. -- > > > > > > > >********* Internet E-mail Confidentiality Disclaimer ********** > > > >This e-mail message may contain privileged or confidential > > > >information. 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On Jan 22, 2006, at 9:44 AM, st… [at] us.ul.com wrote: > Hello, Charlie. > > snip > > All halyards are routed to cockpit. I have two winches (on either > side of the pop-top hatch) and one wench in the forward berth. I > wanted lazy-jacks but it seemed four halyards plus the lazy-jacks > would be too messy so I brought the halyards inside the mast. That > is, all except the main since this was replaced by the previous > owner and consisted of wire with a thimble, tied to a sheet with a > bowline. I planned to replace this halyard last year...but forgot > to. I only remembered the day I was scheduled to step the mast. So, > I went another season with the main halyard fouling everything > possible (particularity the steamer light). > > I was just gonna order some pre-made wire-to-rope halyards then > match them against the old. The wire size is what I was not sure of. > > You indicated many have gone to all rope, is there an advantage? I have all rope halyards on the Cal 40. I took off and threw away a reel winch ( not wench) from the old mast. My halyards lead to the cockpit, to two winches and two sets of rope clutches so six halyards (including reef lines) lead to two winches. > > > > > Do you race or cruise? > > Cruise. I may join our local club this season. Then I could crew > and learn, maybe trying it for myself at some point. When I went in Transpac 25 years ago, I had wire to rope internal halyards and chose to add two external rope spinn halyards to avoid chafe. I just can't think of a reason to have wire halyards anymore. My son tells me the maxis have rope shrouds now! Mike Kennedy COnquest Cal 40 # 96