Re: Vodka instead of antifreeze

Don't do it. I did it once and it took me all summer to get my freshwater tank cleaned out. Maybe it was because I bought the cheapest vodka I could find. (Made in Lewiston, Maine, if I recall correctly.) In any case, vodka, as you know is made from potatoes or grain. And as you know, potatoes and grain can get moldy. Apparently vodka can get moldy, too, sitting around in a water tank all winter. It may be that the material of the water tank didn't like being immersed in vodka. (This was years ago in a Sabre 28, and I can't recall if the watertank was aluminum or fiberglass.) Or, as I said, it might've been the poor quality of the vodka. It really did require flush upon flush upon flush, with chlorinated water to cleanse the tank. I did it just that one year and I'll never do it again. Bernie Wideman former owner Cal25 #842 "Skylark" in Maine From: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 10:52 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Digest Number 90 > There are 10 messages in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > > 1. Re: Wire-to-rope Halyard Specifications for 27' Pop-Top > From: "michaelkennedy05" <mi… [at] yahoo.com> > 2. RE: Re: Wire-to-rope Halyard Cal 2-30 > From: "jc… [at] earthlink.net" <jc… [at] earthlink.net> > 3. Re: Refastening stainless hardware to aluminum mast (Chris) > From: Chris Campbell <cl… [at] traverse.com> > 4. RE: Re: Wire-to-rope Halyard Cal 2-30 (John K) > From: "Rog Jones" <ro… [at] nvsailing.org> > 5. westerbeke w-30 > From: "Capt. Steve" <dr… [at] yahoo.com> > 6. Re: Re: Wire-to-rope Halyard Cal 2-30 > From: kf… [at] aol.com > 7. halyards > From: Michael Kennedy <mt… [at] cox.net> > 8. Re: Re: Wire-to-rope Halyard Cal 2-30 > From: Michael Kennedy <mt… [at] cox.net> > 9. RE: westerbeke w-30 > From: "Husar Charlie" <hu… [at] bah.com> > 10. Who needs antifreeze when we have cheap vodka? > From: NYBoilermaker <ny… [at] gmail.com> > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 18:25:10 -0000 > From: "michaelkennedy05" <mi… [at] yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: Wire-to-rope Halyard Specifications for 27' Pop-Top > > Steve: > I think you'll be happier with rope halyards. Lighter, stronger, > less stretch, last longer and no meathooks. Probably cheaper too; > all you need is a loop spliced at one end and the other end whipped. > For length, 250% of your "I" measurement/height of mast is probably > about right (the other nice thing about rope is that you don't need > to be as perfectly precise with the length). > > Mike Kennedy Jr. > Cal 40 #96 > > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "tmft567" <tmft567@y...> wrote: >> >> --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, steven.j.urbanski@u... wrote: >> > >> > Steve, >> Why not think about switching to all rope halyards? A number of us >> have done so, I like it better. I never liked that wire stuff. The >> new synthetics have minimal stretch, and you don't have to worry >> about where to put the splice. >> >> Dave Dobbs >> >> > >> > It is likely to be a little sloppy and wet at the boatyard so, >> before I >> > track mud all over my boat, I'm wondering if anyone knows what > the >> correct >> > wire-to-rope halyard specifications are for a 1972 27' pop-top. I >> need the >> > main and jib. >> > >> > Thanks in advance ! >> > >> > Steve Urbanski >> > 1972 Cal 27 Pop-Top, #141 >> > Elizabeth Grace >> > Jackson Park, Chicago >> > >> > - For more information about UL, its Marks, and its services for >> > EMC, quality registrations and product certifications for global >> > markets, please access our web sites at http://www.ul.com and >> > http://www.ulc.ca or contact your local sales representative. -- >> > >> > ********* Internet E-mail Confidentiality Disclaimer ********** >> > This e-mail message may contain privileged or confidential >> > information. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not >> > disclose, use, disseminate, distribute, copy or rely upon this >> > message or attachment in any way. 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GROUPS LINKS > > Visit your group "Cal_Boats" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > [This message contained attachments] > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 18:09:44 -0500 > From: Chris Campbell <cl… [at] traverse.com> > Subject: Re: Refastening stainless hardware to aluminum mast (Chris) > > > > Husar Charlie wrote: > >> Was this the stuff also mentioned for keeping props clean? >> >> > I think so, but it got bad reviews in that application. It reminds me > of STP except even more viscous. Are we allowed to recall the Br'er > Rabbit story of the Tar Baby in public? > > Chris Campbell > > > [This message contained attachments] > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 15:23:14 -0800 > From: "Rog Jones" <ro… [at] nvsailing.org> > Subject: RE: Re: Wire-to-rope Halyard Cal 2-30 (John K) > > Hi, John - > > > > All rope halyards. About to replace them with new ones, though. They're > old. > Will use one of the modern low-stretch cordages. > > > > \Rog > > > > _____ > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf > Of jc… [at] earthlink.net > Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 2:03 PM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: Wire-to-rope Halyard Cal 2-30 > > > > This thread on wire halyards leads me to a Question. > > My Cal 2-30 has a wire halyard (No Rope) for the main sail which wraps up > on > a special winch drum > > Mounted to the mast. > > Rog and other Cal 2-30 owners do you have the same sytem? > > Has anyone replaced this with a rope halyard? > > Do I need a new rope winch on the mast or lead it to a winch at the > cockpit? > > Do I use the same shiffs in the mast head.? > > I replaced the Jib halyard with rope 3 years ago and it has worked fine > with > the old shiff. > > > > John Kwak, Cal 2-30 hull # 143 still for sale at $10,000. > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > YAHOO! 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Steve" <dr… [at] yahoo.com> > Subject: westerbeke w-30 > > Need replacement, any help here? > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 23:06:59 -0500 > From: kf… [at] aol.com > Subject: Re: Re: Wire-to-rope Halyard Cal 2-30 > > Hiya John, > You know that my 2-30 is sold, but she had all rope. I can't recall the > exact diameter, maybe 3/8? Sta-Set, pretty old, but just fine. Mine came > down to a block at the bottom of the mast, to a deck organizer, and to a > winch on the right side of the hatch. I had spinlock clutches too. I had > the original sheaves in the masthead. Interestingly, they worked great, > though the line kind of sat on the sheaves, not quite all the way in them, > due to the size of the line. > > Can you go to rope, and still use your winch drum on your mast? Is it for > wire only? > > Take care, > Matt Farrell > > -----Original Message----- > From: jc… [at] earthlink.net <jc… [at] earthlink.net> > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 17:03:22 -0500 > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: Wire-to-rope Halyard Cal 2-30 > > > This thread on wire halyards leads me to a Question. > My Cal 2-30 has a wire halyard (No Rope) for the main sail which wraps up > on a special winch drum > Mounted to the mast. > Rog and other Cal 2-30 owners do you have the same sytem? > Has anyone replaced this with a rope halyard? > Do I need a new rope winch on the mast or lead it to a winch at the > cockpit? > Do I use the same shiffs in the mast head.? > I replaced the Jib halyard with rope 3 years ago and it has worked fine > with the old shiff. > > John Kwak, Cal 2-30 hull # 143 still for sale at $10,000. > > > > > > [This message contained attachments] > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 7 > Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 21:41:16 -0800 > From: Michael Kennedy <mt… [at] cox.net> > Subject: halyards > > > On Jan 22, 2006, at 9:44 AM, st… [at] us.ul.com wrote: > >> Hello, Charlie. >> >> snip > > >> >> All halyards are routed to cockpit. I have two winches (on either >> side of the pop-top hatch) and one wench in the forward berth. I >> wanted lazy-jacks but it seemed four halyards plus the lazy-jacks >> would be too messy so I brought the halyards inside the mast. That >> is, all except the main since this was replaced by the previous >> owner and consisted of wire with a thimble, tied to a sheet with a >> bowline. I planned to replace this halyard last year...but forgot >> to. I only remembered the day I was scheduled to step the mast. So, >> I went another season with the main halyard fouling everything >> possible (particularity the steamer light). >> >> I was just gonna order some pre-made wire-to-rope halyards then >> match them against the old. The wire size is what I was not sure of. >> >> You indicated many have gone to all rope, is there an advantage? > > I have all rope halyards on the Cal 40. I took off and threw away a > reel winch ( not wench) from the old mast. My halyards lead to the > cockpit, to two winches and two sets of rope clutches so six halyards > (including reef lines) lead to two winches. >> >> > >> > Do you race or cruise? >> >> Cruise. I may join our local club this season. Then I could crew >> and learn, maybe trying it for myself at some point. > > When I went in Transpac 25 years ago, I had wire to rope internal > halyards and chose to add two external rope spinn halyards to avoid > chafe. > > I just can't think of a reason to have wire halyards anymore. My son > tells me the maxis have rope shrouds now! > > Mike Kennedy > COnquest Cal 40 # 96 > > > > > [This message contained attachments] > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 8 > Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 22:01:32 -0800 > From: Michael Kennedy <mt… [at] cox.net> > Subject: Re: Re: Wire-to-rope Halyard Cal 2-30 > > I took the reel winch off, then junked the mast. It may be a > challenge getting the bolts out but it could be replaced with a > standard winch or the halyards could be led to the cabin top with a > turning block at the mast collar. > > Mike Kennedy Sr > Now that the kid is posting > > Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > > On Jan 24, 2006, at 2:03 PM, jc… [at] earthlink.net wrote: > >> This thread on wire halyards leads me to a Question. >> My Cal 2-30 has a wire halyard (No Rope) for the main sail which >> wraps up on a special winch drum >> Mounted to the mast. >> Rog and other Cal 2-30 owners do you have the same sytem? >> Has anyone replaced this with a rope halyard? >> Do I need a new rope winch on the mast or lead it to a winch at the >> cockpit? >> Do I use the same shiffs in the mast head.? >> I replaced the Jib halyard with rope 3 years ago and it has worked >> fine with the old shiff. >> >> John Kwak, Cal 2-30 hull # 143 still for sale at $10,000. >> >> >> >> >> YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS >> >> Visit your group "Cal_Boats" on the web. >> >> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >> Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >> >> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. >> >> > > > > [This message contained attachments] > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 9 > Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 06:34:34 -0500 > From: "Husar Charlie" <hu… [at] bah.com> > Subject: RE: westerbeke w-30 > > Steve, where are you located, and what is the boat? > > Cheers > Charlie > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Capt. Steve > Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 9:50 PM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Cal_Boats] westerbeke w-30 > > Need replacement, any help here? > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 10 > Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 09:26:14 -0500 > From: NYBoilermaker <ny… [at] gmail.com> > Subject: Who needs antifreeze when we have cheap vodka? > > Good Morning All, > > I'm the proud new owner of a Cal 33-2 and while I was making my do > list yesterday, I noticed that the fresh water tank and icebox hoses > were winterized with antifreeze. Instead of using antifreeze, does > anyone have experience using vodka instead. How does it effect the > seals/hoses/etc. > > Thank you, > JD > Cambridge, MD > > [This message contained attachments] > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Yahoo! 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