RE: [Cal_Boats] Rudder Lubrication on Cal2-25 (Travis)

Hi, Travis. Yes, it should be lithium grease. Have you ever removed the rudder? It builds up crap inside just like winches do. Is the boat in the water? Is this a long standing problem, or has it gotten worse over time? There can be several reasons for a sticky rudder. Also a few tricks for cleaning it out. Cheers Charlie Annapolis, MD Many CALs From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Travis Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 11:47 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Rudder Lubrication on Cal2-25 Hi all, I have a Cal2-25. The rudder was not moving smoothly and easily. I noticed a grease fitting on the tube housing the rudder post, and greased the fitting. Later, I was told that I should have used lithium grease--I used standard grease. Apparently the regular grease will emulsify with water--causing problems. Have I screwed up? The greasing did not seem to help the rudder turn more freely. Thanks, Travis Yahoo! Groups Links

I bought the boat 2 1/2 years ago. The prior owner did a lot of work on the boat, but I don't know if he removed the rudder. The boat is in the water and I have not removed the rudder. I plan to pull the boat this spring for bottom paint. The problem has existed since I bought the boat and seems to be getting somewhat worse. It is stiff enough that, in light air, I don't need a "tiller tamer." I don't know anything about how rudders, shafts, bearings, etc are assembled, so I would appreciate any help. Thanks, Travis Little Rock, Arkansas ----- Original Message ----- From: Husar Charlie To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 3:42 AM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Rudder Lubrication on Cal2-25 (Travis) Hi, Travis. Yes, it should be lithium grease. Have you ever removed the rudder? It builds up crap inside just like winches do. Is the boat in the water? Is this a long standing problem, or has it gotten worse over time? There can be several reasons for a sticky rudder. Also a few tricks for cleaning it out. Cheers Charlie Annapolis, MD Many CALs -----Original Message----- From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Travis Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 11:47 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Rudder Lubrication on Cal2-25 Hi all, I have a Cal2-25. The rudder was not moving smoothly and easily. I noticed a grease fitting on the tube housing the rudder post, and greased the fitting. Later, I was told that I should have used lithium grease--I used standard grease. Apparently the regular grease will emulsify with water--causing problems. Have I screwed up? The greasing did not seem to help the rudder turn more freely. Thanks, Travis Yahoo! Groups Links SPONSORED LINKS Boating sailing Sailing boat Sailing Boating ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "Cal_Boats" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Good Morning All, I'm the proud new owner of a Cal 33-2 and while I was making my do list yesterday, I noticed that the fresh water tank and icebox hoses were winterized with antifreeze. Instead of using antifreeze, does anyone have experience using vodka instead. How does it effect the seals/hoses/etc. Thank you, JD Cambridge, MD

NYBoilermaker wrote: > Good Morning All, > > I'm the proud new owner of a Cal 33-2 and while I was making my do > list yesterday, I noticed that the fresh water tank and icebox hoses > were winterized with antifreeze. Instead of using antifreeze, does > anyone have experience using vodka instead. How does it effect the > seals/hoses/etc. > JD: If you can find out what they used, do so. I'm guessing that they used an antifreeze made for potable water systems--it's used widely in RVs and such. I would prefer that to vodka, which has the deficiency of losing its alcohol via evaporation. In the early days of automobiles, alcohol was used as an antifreeze, but the unpressurized colling systems and warm engine operating temps made the stuff evaporate. It was a constant chore, checking the antifreeze. I use vodka as a compass fluid, in older compassses using alcohol and water. Chris Campbell

JD, Welcome to the group.. There are a few of us here with the 33-2 (Raymond Hunt Design). I have collected a few owners from this and other list, promising to keep everyone in touch when problems and questions arise. We have an 87 Cal 33, and there is another in our marina. What we have found is that we seem to be replacing items about the same time. Jeff (the other owner) replaced his water pump, mine quite working the following weekend. We replaced the thru hulls on the last haul out, and was able to show him what to look for this winter. Etc.Etc Etc. We have not used any antifreeze since our first winter with the boat (we are into our 6th year). Of course the winters here in NC are milder than on the Chesapeake. After the first winter it took us about all season to flush the odor from the tanks. Now we drain completely, water heater included, and hope for the best. The water lines are the same material that went thru the class action suit for home owners in the '80s. It is similar to what they now call "pex". I honestly believe it will sustain a slight amount of flexing in the freeze/thaw of winter. I would recommend finding a low spot (hoses run thru the bilge to the head) separate the lines and clear out with compressed air. Get the antifreeze out of the tanks before it turns rank. If you have any other questions, please feel free to contact me on or off list. We can use our knowledge base to solve almost anything. Certainly we will have enough input to over-engineer any problem (G). John Raxter S/V Erin Brook Cal 33 Oriental NC _____ From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of NYBoilermaker Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 9:26 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Who needs antifreeze when we have cheap vodka? Good Morning All, I'm the proud new owner of a Cal 33-2 and while I was making my do list yesterday, I noticed that the fresh water tank and icebox hoses were winterized with antifreeze. Instead of using antifreeze, does anyone have experience using vodka instead. How does it effect the seals/hoses/etc. Thank you, JD Cambridge, MD SPONSORED LINKS Boating <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Boating+sailing&w1=Boating+sailing&w2=S ailing+boat&w3=Sailing&w4=Boating&c=4&s=65&.sig=KgsPLsahA8AB__qRyAt_XQ> sailing Sailing <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Sailing+boat&w1=Boating+sailing&w2=Sail ing+boat&w3=Sailing&w4=Boating&c=4&s=65&.sig=oZUJLnrR0FEbvZ5o13Ffaw> boat Sailing <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Sailing&w1=Boating+sailing&w2=Sailing+b oat&w3=Sailing&w4=Boating&c=4&s=65&.sig=eGOXnwatS3x0LYN3XxVdNA> Boating <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Boating&w1=Boating+sailing&w2=Sailing+b oat&w3=Sailing&w4=Boating&c=4&s=65&.sig=yMCAyUrqzhoqLD5Ydiy-Rg> _____ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "Cal_Boats <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cal_Boats> " on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Service. _____

JD, I agree with what John said, except that it does get colder on the Chesapeake. I keep my Cal 33-2 (1986) in Annapolis and one winter was working on replacing the fuel lines and noticed that the water in the oil catch pan under the engine had frozen. The pink stuff is not too bad. What I do is pour some in the water tanks and then pump them dry at the start of the winter season. I have seen some folks have all sorts of challenges on the Chesapeake when their water systems "popped" during the winter and they found out about it the next spring. Vodka is an interesting idea, as long as it does not eat through the hoses. I live in Cincinnati until 2008 and we plan to move back to the Bay area. One place may be Cambridge. Right now the boat is on the hard at Annapolis naval station. Last week they had some high winds that knocked over a few of the Navy 44s and some private boats that were in dry storage. Must have been some big gusts there. I love the Cal 33s and have pretty much taken apart everything over the years and replaced a lot of original stuff as it wears out. There are a few idiosyncrasies, but the boat is wonderful and you should have years of fun. Where was your vessel before Cambridge? Blue Skies, Darr LaFon ----- Original Message ----- From: John Raxter ~~~~~_/)~~~~ To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 6:47 PM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Who needs antifreeze when we have cheap vodka? JD, Welcome to the group.. There are a few of us here with the 33-2 (Raymond Hunt Design). I have collected a few owners from this and other list, promising to keep everyone in touch when problems and questions arise. We have an 87 Cal 33, and there is another in our marina. What we have found is that we seem to be replacing items about the same time. Jeff (the other owner) replaced his water pump, mine quite working the following weekend. We replaced the thru hulls on the last haul out, and was able to show him what to look for this winter. Etc.Etc Etc. We have not used any antifreeze since our first winter with the boat (we are into our 6th year). Of course the winters here in NC are milder than on the Chesapeake. After the first winter it took us about all season to flush the odor from the tanks. Now we drain completely, water heater included, and hope for the best. The water lines are the same material that went thru the class action suit for home owners in the '80s. It is similar to what they now call "pex". I honestly believe it will sustain a slight amount of flexing in the freeze/thaw of winter. I would recommend finding a low spot (hoses run thru the bilge to the head) separate the lines and clear out with compressed air. Get the antifreeze out of the tanks before it turns rank. If you have any other questions, please feel free to contact me on or off list. We can use our knowledge base to solve almost anything. Certainly we will have enough input to over-engineer any problem (G). John Raxter S/V Erin Brook Cal 33 Oriental NC ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of NYBoilermaker Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 9:26 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Who needs antifreeze when we have cheap vodka? Good Morning All, I'm the proud new owner of a Cal 33-2 and while I was making my do list yesterday, I noticed that the fresh water tank and icebox hoses were winterized with antifreeze. Instead of using antifreeze, does anyone have experience using vodka instead. How does it effect the seals/hoses/etc. Thank you, JD Cambridge, MD SPONSORED LINKS Boating sailing Sailing boat Sailing Boating ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "Cal_Boats" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hiya Darr, Great to hear from you. Yes, for the last couple days, it's been blowin' like stink. Today was nice; sunny, light winds and about 45 degrees. The boat's been here in Cambridge for two years and before that was in TX. A couple I know bought the boat, cruised Maine last summer and loved the lifestyle so much that on the way home they bought a Caliber 38 and are moving aboard full time this summer. The CAL didn't have the storage or range which they needed. Those were new 44s weren't they? Ouch. Jonathan Deus "JD" AIM:jdeus yahoo:jonathandeus msn:nyboilermaker At 20:04 1/26/2006, you wrote: >JD, > >I agree with what John said, except that it does >get colder on the Chesapeake. I keep my Cal >33-2 (1986) in Annapolis and one winter was >working on replacing the fuel lines and noticed >that the water in the oil catch pan under the engine had frozen. > >The pink stuff is not too bad. What I do is >pour some in the water tanks and then pump them >dry at the start of the winter season. I have >seen some folks have all sorts of challenges on >the Chesapeake when their water systems "popped" >during the winter and they found out about it >the next spring. Vodka is an interesting idea, >as long as it does not eat through the hoses. > >I live in Cincinnati until 2008 and we plan to >move back to the Bay area. One place may be >Cambridge. Right now the boat is on the hard at >Annapolis naval station. Last week they had >some high winds that knocked over a few of the >Navy 44s and some private boats that were in dry >storage. Must have been some big gusts there. > >I love the Cal 33s and have pretty much taken >apart everything over the years and replaced a >lot of original stuff as it wears out. There >are a few idiosyncrasies, but the boat is >wonderful and you should have years of >fun. Where was your vessel before Cambridge? > >Blue Skies, > >Darr LaFon >----- Original Message ----- >From: <mailto:jr… [at] triad.rr.com>John Raxter ~~~~~_/)~~~~ >To: <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 6:47 PM >Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Who needs antifreeze when we have cheap vodka? > >JD, Welcome to the group…. > >There are a few of us here with the 33-2 >(Raymond Hunt Design). I have collected a few >owners from this and other list, promising to >keep everyone in touch when problems and questions arise. > >We have an 87 Cal 33, and there is another in >our marina. What we have found is that we seem >to be replacing items about the same time. Jeff >(the other owner) replaced his water pump, mine >quite working the following weekend. We replaced >the thru hulls on the last haul out, and was >able to show him what to look for this winter. Etc.Etc Etc. > >We have not used any antifreeze since our first >winter with the boat (we are into our 6th >year). Of course the winters here in NC are >milder than on the Chesapeake. After the first >winter it took us about all season to flush the >odor from the tanks. Now we drain completely, >water heater included, and hope for the >best. The water lines are the same material >that went thru the class action suit for home >owners in the ‘80s. It is similar to what they >now call “pex”. I honestly believe it will >sustain a slight amount of flexing in the freeze/thaw of winter. > >I would recommend finding a low spot (hoses run >thru the bilge to the head) separate the lines >and clear out with compressed air. Get the >antifreeze out of the tanks before it turns rank. > >If you have any other questions, please feel >free to contact me on or off list. We can use >our knowledge base to solve almost >anything. Certainly we will have enough input >to over-engineer any problem (G). > >John Raxter >S/V Erin Brook >Cal 33 >Oriental NC > > >---------- >From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >[mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of NYBoilermaker >Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 9:26 AM >To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >Subject: [Cal_Boats] Who needs antifreeze when we have cheap vodka? > >Good Morning All, > >I'm the proud new owner of a Cal 33-2 and while >I was making my do list yesterday, I noticed >that the fresh water tank and icebox hoses were >winterized with antifreeze. Instead of using >antifreeze, does anyone have experience using >vodka instead. How does it effect the seals/hoses/etc. > >Thank you, >JD >Cambridge, MD > > > >SPONSORED LINKS ><http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Boating+sailing&w1=Boating+sailing&w2=Sailing+boat&w3=Sailing&w4=Boating&c=4&s=65&.sig=KgsPLsahA8AB__qRyAt_XQ>Boating >sailing ><http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Sailing+boat&w1=Boating+sailing&w2=Sailing+boat&w3=Sailing&w4=Boating&c=4&s=65&.sig=oZUJLnrR0FEbvZ5o13Ffaw>Sailing >boat ><http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Sailing&w1=Boating+sailing&w2=Sailing+boat&w3=Sailing&w4=Boating&c=4&s=65&.sig=eGOXnwatS3x0LYN3XxVdNA>Sailing > ><http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Boating&w1=Boating+sailing&w2=Sailing+boat&w3=Sailing&w4=Boating&c=4&s=65&.sig=yMCAyUrqzhoqLD5Ydiy-Rg>Boating > > > >---------- >YAHOO! 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