West System Help!

Hi everyone, I have a sticky situation...... I recently fabricated a new cabin sole for my Cal 25 and decided to seal it with west system prior to painting. So far I've applied 5 coats of west system, 3 on the bottom and two on the top. My most recent top coat has failed to cure properly. I'm darn certain that I used equal numbers of pumps of resin and hardener but it's just staying tacky, and soft enough to deflect, about the considtency of rubber cement. It's been 48 hours, and I'm getting worried. Tonight, I placed heaters around the cabin sole in an attempt to encourage curing. If this doesn't cure, what should I do to remove this stuff to reapply? Has anyone had this problem with curing? I'm using the same containers of resin/hardener as on previous occasions, yet this batch isn't curing adequately. Any suggestions on how to remove this sticky mess would be appreciated. Thanks, Scott S. Cal 25 #1651 Indefatigable

I've done quite a bit of fiberglasing and had this happen to me once. For whatever reason it remains sticky for a long time. I just let it go and was patient(not Very) but eventually it cured. Don't ask how long it will take, not sure, but give it a few days. Neil Victoria --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Scott Sauvageot" <rxnumbercruncher@...> wrote: > > Hi everyone, I have a sticky situation...... I recently fabricated a new > cabin sole for my Cal 25 and decided to seal it with west system prior to > painting. So far I've applied 5 coats of west system, 3 on the bottom and > two on the top. My most recent top coat has failed to cure properly. I'm > darn certain that I used equal numbers of pumps of resin and hardener but > it's just staying tacky, and soft enough to deflect, about the considtency > of rubber cement. It's been 48 hours, and I'm getting worried. Tonight, I > placed heaters around the cabin sole in an attempt to encourage curing. If > this doesn't cure, what should I do to remove this stuff to reapply? Has > anyone had this problem with curing? I'm using the same containers of > resin/hardener as on previous occasions, yet this batch isn't curing > adequately. > > Any suggestions on how to remove this sticky mess would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Scott S. > Cal 25 #1651 Indefatigable >

Scott -- There are diluents made especially to remove uncured epoxy resins. They are different for different chemistries, though. Contact West System tomorrow and ask them how to get it out of there. 866-937-8797 (toll free). I have always had great help from these people. Please let the list now how it goes. \Rog Cal 29+ #1 Swiss Navy Cal 2-30 #77 St. Lori's Comet From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Neil McBride Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 7:57 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: West System Help! I've done quite a bit of fiberglasing and had this happen to me once. For whatever reason it remains sticky for a long time. I just let it go and was patient(not Very) but eventually it cured. Don't ask how long it will take, not sure, but give it a few days. Neil Victoria --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Scott Sauvageot" <rxnumbercruncher@...> wrote: > > Hi everyone, I have a sticky situation...... I recently fabricated a new > cabin sole for my Cal 25 and decided to seal it with west system prior to > painting. So far I've applied 5 coats of west system, 3 on the bottom and > two on the top. My most recent top coat has failed to cure properly. I'm > darn certain that I used equal numbers of pumps of resin and hardener but > it's just staying tacky, and soft enough to deflect, about the considtency > of rubber cement. It's been 48 hours, and I'm getting worried. Tonight, I > placed heaters around the cabin sole in an attempt to encourage curing. If > this doesn't cure, what should I do to remove this stuff to reapply? Has > anyone had this problem with curing? I'm using the same containers of > resin/hardener as on previous occasions, yet this batch isn't curing > adequately. > > Any suggestions on how to remove this sticky mess would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Scott S. > Cal 25 #1651 Indefatigable > Yahoo! Groups Links

Silly duck! Its way too cold to be doing epoxy stuff here, you are going to have to get that cabin heated for awhile to cure that coat. And don't use those WM cabin heaters on sale either, there are way to many horror stories about them and thats why they are being discontinued. Probably the oil or ceramic ones are the best bet. John Dawson Kefi, Balto. Rog Jones <ro… [at] nvsailing.org> wrote: Scott -- There are diluents made especially to remove uncured epoxy resins. They are different for different chemistries, though. Contact West System tomorrow and ask them how to get it out of there. 866-937-8797 (toll free). I have always had great help from these people. Please let the list now how it goes. \Rog Cal 29+ #1 Swiss Navy Cal 2-30 #77 St. Lori's Comet From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Neil McBride Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 7:57 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: West System Help! I've done quite a bit of fiberglasing and had this happen to me once. For whatever reason it remains sticky for a long time. I just let it go and was patient(not Very) but eventually it cured. Don't ask how long it will take, not sure, but give it a few days. Neil Victoria --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Scott Sauvageot" <rxnumbercruncher@...> wrote: > > Hi everyone, I have a sticky situation...... I recently fabricated a new > cabin sole for my Cal 25 and decided to seal it with west system prior to > painting. So far I've applied 5 coats of west system, 3 on the bottom and > two on the top. My most recent top coat has failed to cure properly. I'm > darn certain that I used equal numbers of pumps of resin and hardener but > it's just staying tacky, and soft enough to deflect, about the considtency > of rubber cement. It's been 48 hours, and I'm getting worried. Tonight, I > placed heaters around the cabin sole in an attempt to encourage curing. If > this doesn't cure, what should I do to remove this stuff to reapply? Has > anyone had this problem with curing? I'm using the same containers of > resin/hardener as on previous occasions, yet this batch isn't curing > adequately. > > Any suggestions on how to remove this sticky mess would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Scott S. > Cal 25 #1651 Indefatigable > Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "Cal_Boats" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- What are the most popular cars? Find out at Yahoo! Autos

Hi John! Good to hear from you! The darn cabin sole is in my basement in a nice controlled environment. I have a feeling I either didn't mix the batch sufficiently OR one of my hardener pumps may have had too great of an air component (ie air inthe transport tube displacing hardener when pumping it into my working cup). Darn this aweful stuff! LOL Scott >From: John Dawson <jd… [at] yahoo.com> >Reply-To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: West System Help!( Scott) >Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 08:11:49 -0800 (PST) > >Silly duck! > Its way too cold to be doing epoxy stuff here, you are going to have to >get that cabin heated for awhile to cure that coat. And don't use those WM >cabin heaters on sale either, there are way to many horror stories about >them and thats why they are being discontinued. Probably the oil or ceramic >ones are the best bet. > > John Dawson > Kefi, Balto. > >Rog Jones <ro… [at] nvsailing.org> wrote: > Scott -- > >There are diluents made especially to remove uncured epoxy resins. They are >different for different chemistries, though. Contact West System tomorrow >and ask them how to get it out of there. 866-937-8797 (toll free). > >I have always had great help from these people. Please let the list now how >it goes. > >\Rog > >Cal 29+ #1 >Swiss Navy > >Cal 2-30 #77 >St. Lori's Comet > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On >Behalf >Of Neil McBride >Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 7:57 PM >To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: West System Help! > >I've done quite a bit of fiberglasing and had this happen to me >once. For whatever reason it remains sticky for a long time. I just >let it go and was patient(not Very) but eventually it cured. Don't >ask how long it will take, not sure, but give it a few days. > >Neil >Victoria > > >--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Scott Sauvageot" ><rxnumbercruncher@...> wrote: > > > > Hi everyone, I have a sticky situation...... I recently fabricated >a new > > cabin sole for my Cal 25 and decided to seal it with west system >prior to > > painting. So far I've applied 5 coats of west system, 3 on the >bottom and > > two on the top. My most recent top coat has failed to cure >properly. I'm > > darn certain that I used equal numbers of pumps of resin and >hardener but > > it's just staying tacky, and soft enough to deflect, about the >considtency > > of rubber cement. It's been 48 hours, and I'm getting worried. >Tonight, I > > placed heaters around the cabin sole in an attempt to encourage >curing. If > > this doesn't cure, what should I do to remove this stuff to >reapply? Has > > anyone had this problem with curing? I'm using the same >containers of > > resin/hardener as on previous occasions, yet this batch isn't >curing > > adequately. > > > > Any suggestions on how to remove this sticky mess would be >appreciated. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Scott S. > > Cal 25 #1651 Indefatigable > > > > > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "Cal_Boats" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > >--------------------------------- > > > > > >--------------------------------- > > What are the most popular cars? Find out at Yahoo! Autos

I have a Sears dehumidifier that heats and dries the boat. It's more expensive than the heaters but works. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 On Feb 2, 2006, at 8:11 AM, John Dawson wrote: > Silly duck! > Its way too cold to be doing epoxy stuff here, you are going to > have to get that cabin heated for awhile to cure that coat. And > don't use those WM cabin heaters on sale either, there are way to > many horror stories about them and thats why they are being > discontinued. Probably the oil or ceramic ones are the best bet. > > John Dawson > Kefi, Balto. > > Rog Jones <ro… [at] nvsailing.org> wrote: > Scott -- > > There are diluents made especially to remove uncured epoxy resins. > They are > different for different chemistries, though. Contact West System > tomorrow > and ask them how to get it out of there. 866-937-8797 (toll free). > > I have always had great help from these people. Please let the list > now how > it goes. > > \Rog > > Cal 29+ #1 > Swiss Navy > > Cal 2-30 #77 > St. Lori's Comet > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf > Of Neil McBride > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 7:57 PM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: West System Help! > > I've done quite a bit of fiberglasing and had this happen to me > once. For whatever reason it remains sticky for a long time. I just > let it go and was patient(not Very) but eventually it cured. Don't > ask how long it will take, not sure, but give it a few days. > > Neil > Victoria > > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Scott Sauvageot" > <rxnumbercruncher@...> wrote: > > > > Hi everyone, I have a sticky situation...... I recently fabricated > a new > > cabin sole for my Cal 25 and decided to seal it with west system > prior to > > painting. So far I've applied 5 coats of west system, 3 on the > bottom and > > two on the top. My most recent top coat has failed to cure > properly. I'm > > darn certain that I used equal numbers of pumps of resin and > hardener but > > it's just staying tacky, and soft enough to deflect, about the > considtency > > of rubber cement. It's been 48 hours, and I'm getting worried. > Tonight, I > > placed heaters around the cabin sole in an attempt to encourage > curing. If > > this doesn't cure, what should I do to remove this stuff to > reapply? Has > > anyone had this problem with curing? I'm using the same > containers of > > resin/hardener as on previous occasions, yet this batch isn't > curing > > adequately. > > > > Any suggestions on how to remove this sticky mess would be > appreciated. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Scott S. > > Cal 25 #1651 Indefatigable > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > Visit your group "Cal_Boats" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > > > > What are the most popular cars? Find out at Yahoo! Autos > > SPONSORED LINKS > Boating sailing Sailing boat Sailing > Boating > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > Visit your group "Cal_Boats" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > >

Scott, Probably a faulty pump. It's quite common and West recommends occasional visual tests to confirm the proper ratio is delivered. I had a problem in cool weather once and West had me test the pumps. They were a little off but I also had added some pigment and they said too much pigment can delay curing. It eventually cured enough to grind off and start over. I needed some days away from the boat anyway. David Wilkie Owen Cal 2-29 "Mariposa" Santa Barbara, CA http://www.mariposasailing.com From: "Scott Sauvageot" <rx… [at] hotmail.com> To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 8:26 AM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: West System Help!( Scott) > Hi John! > > Good to hear from you! > > The darn cabin sole is in my basement in a nice controlled environment. I > have a feeling I either didn't mix the batch sufficiently OR one of my > hardener pumps may have had too great of an air component (ie air inthe

Scott, I've never used the west system, but I've had more than my share of epoxy that didn't kick. You can scrub the sole with acetone. Since you're in your basement this may be a problem. The acetone will remove the goo. After that rough up the sole and continue on. Rich and Carol ex 34 owners

Scott, You may have already solved this. For future reference, denatured Alchohol will remove uncured west system epoxy. Should not affect uncured epoxy (west). Not sure what you'll get in a last-coat- uncured situation. If it has never cured solid you could try the alchohol (wipe down) and then try sanding the finish once it's mostly un-gooey. --Kevin Cal40 "Tumble Home" #164 (for sale) --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Scott Sauvageot" <rxnumbercruncher@...> wrote: > > Hi everyone, I have a sticky situation...... I recently fabricated a new > cabin sole for my Cal 25 and decided to seal it with west system prior to > painting. So far I've applied 5 coats of west system, 3 on the bottom and > two on the top. My most recent top coat has failed to cure properly. I'm > darn certain that I used equal numbers of pumps of resin and hardener but > it's just staying tacky, and soft enough to deflect, about the considtency > of rubber cement. It's been 48 hours, and I'm getting worried. Tonight, I > placed heaters around the cabin sole in an attempt to encourage curing. If > this doesn't cure, what should I do to remove this stuff to reapply? Has > anyone had this problem with curing? I'm using the same containers of > resin/hardener as on previous occasions, yet this batch isn't curing > adequately. > > Any suggestions on how to remove this sticky mess would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Scott S. > Cal 25 #1651 Indefatigable >