RE: [Cal_Boats] Rebuiling Cal T/2 27 - Looking for information

the owners manual won't help you much. It doesn't have much in it. However, this list is a great resource. Any of us T/2 owners will be glad to help, as will all the pop-top owners and 2-27 owners. Almost all of what you describe is identical on all three models. Jump in with specific questions and watch the fingers fly! Reggie >From: "justformerlin" <ju… [at] yahoo.com> >Reply-To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >Subject: [Cal_Boats] Rebuiling Cal T/2 27 - Looking for information >Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 17:06:40 -0000 > > Hello All, >I am in the process of rebuilding a Cal T/2 27 1973. Any information >related to rudder, rigging, hull's structure, keel bolt would be very >helpful. A copy of owner's manual would be great!. Very interested >in knowing about any problems you may know about this particular model. >Thanks! Gunter > > > >

Thanks for your reply. You are correct, the manual is very basic and what I really need are answers to more specific questions. Here are a couple. 1. External lead keel, fasteners- Any experience how well are the keel bolts cast into the lead? Any problem with electrolisis or stress cracks? 2. Spade rudder - Any experience with failures around the rudder shaft or rudder back bone? I am about ready to re-launch my Cal T/2 27 and it would be nice to know all is well but also don't believe in fixing things that work. Just one more item, any suggestion where to place extended genoa tracks as the original seem somewhat on the short side. Thanks! Gunter r good <my… [at] hotmail.com> wrote: the owners manual won't help you much. It doesn't have much in it. However, this list is a great resource. Any of us T/2 owners will be glad to help, as will all the pop-top owners and 2-27 owners. Almost all of what you describe is identical on all three models. Jump in with specific questions and watch the fingers fly! Reggie >From: "justformerlin" <ju… [at] yahoo.com> >Reply-To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >Subject: [Cal_Boats] Rebuiling Cal T/2 27 - Looking for information >Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 17:06:40 -0000 > > Hello All, >I am in the process of rebuilding a Cal T/2 27 1973. Any information >related to rudder, rigging, hull's structure, keel bolt would be very >helpful. A copy of owner's manual would be great!. Very interested >in knowing about any problems you may know about this particular model. >Thanks! Gunter > > > > SPONSORED LINKS Boating sailing Sailing boat Sailing Boating --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "Cal_Boats" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses!

Hi: As I previously wrote, I have a CAL T/2 and have replaced genoa tracks, repaired keel crack, shimmed rudder post and replaced keel bolt backing plates and nuts on all after inspecting studs. Did you get the pics I sent? If you like I can help. I have eseentially rebuilt my CAL T/2 w.… [at] sbcglobal.net

Hi Bill Thanks for your reply and the great pictures. Maybe you could help me with this question. How are the keel bolts anchored in the lead keel as I cannot see any access ports? Have you had any problems with electrolysis or corrosion in those bolts? The reason I asked again is because this is the last task I have to perform before anti-fouling and launching. Will send you pictures when I put her in the water. Gunter Cal T/2 27 Christina Bill <w.… [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote: Hi: As I previously wrote, I have a CAL T/2 and have replaced genoa tracks, repaired keel crack, shimmed rudder post and replaced keel bolt backing plates and nuts on all after inspecting studs. Did you get the pics I sent? If you like I can help. I have eseentially rebuilt my CAL T/2 t w.… [at] sbcglobal.ne SPONSORED LINKS Boating sailing Sailing boat Sailing Boating --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "Cal_Boats" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze.

Gunter: I can't be sure how they are anchored, but many boats of this era had a long metal rod that was threaded on the top end and bent in the shape of a letter "j" on the end that is in the lead. The j is embedded in the hot lead before it sets. The threaded end is the put through to the keel stub. As you may know the keel as seen out of the water is fiberglass from the hull down about halfway (stub). Then the lead keel is attached with the bolts, thru the stub. When you pull the floor up you will find all the bolts. Look down through and under the sink to find more. There is the main bilge with maybe 4 bolts, I can't remember. Then aft of that in a seperate little bilge is 1 or 2 more. Mine was missing 3 nuts. 3 were very rusted and broke when i hit them with a hammer. I removed them all. Used a thread chaser to clean the threads. The bolts on three were "carroted" ie. thinner where the rusted nut sat. I had made for me, stainless plates that were 2" x 4' and 1/4 thick stainless with a hole drilled in the center for the keel studs. These I placed as washers over the studs and double them (2) over the carroted studs, to allow the new stainless nut to stop down on the good part of the threaded stud. I double nutted all. I'm satisfied that my keel won't fall off. Catalina Direct, the parts distributor for Catalina Yachts sells a kit that includes long threaded bolts that are driven into the lead fron the bilge, then capped with nuts. They had a problem with their keels dropping and still sell this kit. If your bolts are that bad, you can reinforce the attachment with these. Best of Luck, Bill

A number of big boats have dropped keels and a couple are drifting around the north Pacific upside down. I would make very sure that your keel bolts are secure. If any are rusted and don't look right, I would get a surveyor to help you find someone who can replace them. I've seen a couple of versions including, I think, cutting a window in the keel from outside to get at the bolt end. Just boring into the lead and placing another threaded bolt would be second choice to me. By cutting sideways into the keel you can put a big washer on the down side of the new bolt, then fill the hole again from below. It takes some measurement to get the new bolt hole and the window lined up. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 On Feb 27, 2006, at 6:08 AM, Bill wrote: > Gunter: > > I can't be sure how they are anchored, but many boats of this era > had a long metal rod that was threaded on the top end and bent in > the shape of a letter "j" on the end that is in the lead. The j is > embedded in the hot lead before it sets. The threaded end is the put > through to the keel stub. As you may know the keel as seen out of > the water is fiberglass from the hull down about halfway (stub). > Then the lead keel is attached with the bolts, thru the stub. > > When you pull the floor up you will find all the bolts. Look down > through and under the sink to find more. There is the main bilge > with maybe 4 bolts, I can't remember. Then aft of that in a seperate > little bilge is 1 or 2 more. > > Mine was missing 3 nuts. 3 were very rusted and broke when i hit > them with a hammer. I removed them all. Used a thread chaser to > clean the threads. The bolts on three were "carroted" ie. thinner > where the rusted nut sat. > > I had made for me, stainless plates that were 2" x 4' and 1/4 thick > stainless with a hole drilled in the center for the keel studs. > These I placed as washers over the studs and double them (2) over > the carroted studs, to allow the new stainless nut to stop down on > the good part of the threaded stud. I double nutted all. I'm > satisfied that my keel won't fall off. > > Catalina Direct, the parts distributor for Catalina Yachts sells a > kit that includes long threaded bolts that are driven into the lead > fron the bilge, then capped with nuts. They had a problem with their > keels dropping and still sell this kit. If your bolts are that bad, > you can reinforce the attachment with these. > > Best of Luck, > > Bill > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Boating sailing Sailing boat Sailing > Boating > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > Visit your group "Cal_Boats" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > >