RE: CAL 2-27 Interior

John inquired about interior redecorating: >My questions involve surface prep and the type of paint I should use. I'm one of the RotoZip lovers, and I used the 60-grit (?) red wheel to remove the gel coat inside our Cal 29 that was coming off in tortilla-chip pieces. We did not fair the surface, though that would have been nice. We used a latex basement paint from Home Depot (aka The Borg) which reportedly has mildew-resistant properties. It has adhered wonderfully, remains good looking many years later, and I'd use it again without hesitation. Alfred Poor 1969 Cal 29 #132, "Pentaquod"

We're going through similar with our 2-29. The old adhesive comes pretty clean with a good metal-blade scraper. What's left comes off with a little M.E.K. and elbow grease (scotch bright pad helps, too). There are some solvents, too, just check the label to make sure it doesn't eat the fiberglass These boats are polyester resin, so you might want to consider a quick scuff with some 220, then just gel coat. The gel coat flows out smoother than the Pettit paints when drying. You can always blend colors, too. I'm not sure how the paint would hold over time if you were to go back to a vinyl. Remember if you replace the vinyl that it should be a vented material to avoid moisture and mold. > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 10:42:28 -0400 > From: Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> > Subject: Re: CAL 2-27 Interior > > > > John Boyce wrote: > > > For paint I thinking about using a one part epoxy, I had some > > success with this on my 25 many years ago but I'm open to suggestions. > > > > > John: > > I'm not sure what surface prep you'll need just for basic fairness, but > for paint, I've been pleased with Pettit's special boat interior paint, > called something like Ultrawhite or something-white. Go to Pettit's web > site. They advertise that it will adhere to any clean surface without > special prep, even if the surface is glossy. I remain a bit skeptical > just on general principles, but that's what they say. The paint also > has some sort of mildewicide or mildew discourager, and is a semigloss > > I used it on the bare interior of my Cal 20 after removing the old > interior finish, or at least that part of the old finish that was still > adhering tenaciously after the rest flaked off in big chunks. I had the > white paint tinted at a paint store to match the original Cal 20 > interior color, a warm beige that looked good with the teak veneers. > > So far I'm happy, although I found that the paint store's shaker had not > run long enough to mix up all the pigment at the bottom of the can. > I'll not make that mistake again. > > As a picky painter, I like to do a good job and have it last a long > time. Paying more for a high quality paint designed for a specific > service makes sense to me, so I'm happy to pay a bit more for the Pettit. > > Chris Campbell > > > > > [This message contained attachments] > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 10:23:46 -0500 > From: Chris Collins <ch… [at] vanderbilt.edu> > Subject: Re: CAL 2-27 Interior > > John, > > You may know this, or someone may have told you already, but before > painting > you'll need to remove ALL of the old adhesive used to attach the crappy > vinyl to the hull. On my former 2-27 the old adhesive was very aggressive > and extremely hard to remove. > > After trying a few different solvents to remove the glue I finally gave up > on the painting idea and ground off what I could of the adhesive using a > wire wheel, then glued up outdoor carpet (looked like berber). I was very > pleased with the results. It looked nice and provided a small amount of > insulation too. > > > Hope this helps. > > Chris > Chris Collins > '63 Cal 20 #323 > "don't know yet" > Nashville, TN > > > > [This message contained attachments] > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >

Alfred Poor wrote: > John inquired about interior redecorating: > > >My questions involve surface prep and the type of paint I should use. > > I'm one of the RotoZip lovers, and I used the 60-grit (?) red wheel to > remove the gel coat inside our Cal 29 that was coming off in tortilla-chip > pieces. We did not fair the surface, though that would have been nice. If this is the same unpleasant stuff that coated the interior of my Cal 20 from 1967, then it's not really gelcoat. It's a paint that does dissolve with strong paint remover. The way to buy the stuff is by price: pricier is better. As a congenital cheapskate, I worked my way up the price ladder and when i reached the top, the paint came off. Slowly. It's agreat mystery how the stuff can flake away in large chips so readily but won't release its grip elsewhere. About this Roto-Zip thing...I thought that was a little router-like device used for cutting. Your description leaves me with this mental picture of little, Dremel-like sanding discs, and poor Al (not Poor, Al) grinding away fastidiously, square millimeter by square millimeter. Chris Campbell

Mommy here boys, and I came to NAG! Wear a 3m full-on organic respirator when you do this work. Keep the glass particles out of your lungs. Keep the MEK, Toluenol, Acetone, Stripper and God knows what else you end up using out of your Freaking lungs! Keep it off your G****mn skin, too, because it flashes directly into your blood stream faster than you can read this. Wear some heavy duty EARPLUGS TOO. Do you GET IT? THIS IS IMPORTANT. These solvents cause nerve damage and to make matters worse they even contribute to hearing loss and tinnitus. Not to mention 100 decibels of grinder noise eating away at your precious hearing. Hearing loss can mean tinnitus, which is really nasty shit. The warnings on these products are not empty threats. This stuff catches up with you and then you find yourself ranting at young people who can't imagine the hell that you live through every day and how you could have prevented it. People used to come up to me in public places and ask me if I was Harrison Ford. Now, I found myself cornered by a crowd the other day and was forced to shout "I am not an animal." David Wilkie Owen Cal 2-29 "Mariposa" Santa Barbara, CA http://www.mariposasailing.com From: "Chris Campbell" <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 6:38 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] RE: CAL 2-27 Interior > > > Alfred Poor wrote: > >> John inquired about interior redecorating: >> >> >My questions involve surface prep and the type of paint I should use. >> >> I'm one of the RotoZip lovers, and I used the 60-grit (?) red wheel to >> remove the gel coat inside our Cal 29 that was coming off in >> tortilla-chip >> pieces. We did not fair the surface, though that would have been nice. > > If this is the same unpleasant stuff that coated the interior of my Cal > 20 from 1967, then it's not really gelcoat. It's a paint that does > dissolve with strong paint remover. The way to buy the stuff is by > price: pricier is better. As a congenital cheapskate, I worked my way > up the price ladder and when i reached the top, the paint came off. > Slowly. It's agreat mystery how the stuff can flake away in large > chips so readily but won't release its grip elsewhere. > > About this Roto-Zip thing...I thought that was a little router-like > device used for cutting. Your description leaves me with this mental > picture of little, Dremel-like sanding discs, and poor Al (not Poor, Al) > grinding away fastidiously, square millimeter by square millimeter. > > Chris Campbell > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Forgot to mention..... If a stripper takes this nasty paint and adhesive off, it will also soften the polyester fiberglass matrix as well, so think twice about using it or at the very least watch it carefully. Do not let it sit and work too long. David Wilkie Owen Cal 2-29 "Mariposa" Santa Barbara, CA http://www.mariposasailing.com From: "Chris Campbell" <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 6:38 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] RE: CAL 2-27 Interior > > > Alfred Poor wrote: > >> John inquired about interior redecorating: >> >> >My questions involve surface prep and the type of paint I should use. >> >> I'm one of the RotoZip lovers, and I used the 60-grit (?) red wheel to >> remove the gel coat inside our Cal 29 that was coming off in >> tortilla-chip >> pieces. We did not fair the surface, though that would have been nice. > > If this is the same unpleasant stuff that coated the interior of my Cal > 20 from 1967, then it's not really gelcoat. It's a paint that does > dissolve with strong paint remover. The way to buy the stuff is by > price: pricier is better. As a congenital cheapskate, I worked my way > up the price ladder and when i reached the top, the paint came off. > Slowly. It's agreat mystery how the stuff can flake away in large > chips so readily but won't release its grip elsewhere. > > About this Roto-Zip thing...I thought that was a little router-like > device used for cutting. Your description leaves me with this mental > picture of little, Dremel-like sanding discs, and poor Al (not Poor, Al) > grinding away fastidiously, square millimeter by square millimeter. > > Chris Campbell > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Skipper that is wise advice to protect oneself especially from the fumes and dust. There is a link between Benzene and others Chemicals to leukemia and other blood disorders. My research indicated that dermal exposure equates to about 2% absorption and inhalation about 50% exposure. This sh_t attacks ones bone marrow and has been know to permanently alters the production of cells. If you want to know about a specific chemical and its affects? Internet any chem name for example "Benzene" and the word "Litigation. Where there's smoke there may be fire! Mark Pelican 2-29 San Pedro ----- Original Message ----- From: Skipper To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 9:03 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] RE: CAL 2-27 Interior Mommy here boys, and I came to NAG! Wear a 3m full-on organic respirator when you do this work. Keep the glass particles out of your lungs. Keep the MEK, Toluenol, Acetone, Stripper and God knows what else you end up using out of your Freaking lungs! Keep it off your G****mn skin, too, because it flashes directly into your blood stream faster than you can read this. Wear some heavy duty EARPLUGS TOO. Do you GET IT? THIS IS IMPORTANT. These solvents cause nerve damage and to make matters worse they even contribute to hearing loss and tinnitus. Not to mention 100 decibels of grinder noise eating away at your precious hearing. Hearing loss can mean tinnitus, which is really nasty shit. The warnings on these products are not empty threats. This stuff catches up with you and then you find yourself ranting at young people who can't imagine the hell that you live through every day and how you could have prevented it. People used to come up to me in public places and ask me if I was Harrison Ford. Now, I found myself cornered by a crowd the other day and was forced to shout "I am not an animal." David Wilkie Owen _________________ Cal 2-29 "Mariposa" Santa Barbara, CA http://www.mariposasailing.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Campbell" <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 6:38 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] RE: CAL 2-27 Interior > > > Alfred Poor wrote: > >> John inquired about interior redecorating: >> >> >My questions involve surface prep and the type of paint I should use. >> >> I'm one of the RotoZip lovers, and I used the 60-grit (?) red wheel to >> remove the gel coat inside our Cal 29 that was coming off in >> tortilla-chip >> pieces. We did not fair the surface, though that would have been nice. > > If this is the same unpleasant stuff that coated the interior of my Cal > 20 from 1967, then it's not really gelcoat. It's a paint that does > dissolve with strong paint remover. The way to buy the stuff is by > price: pricier is better. As a congenital cheapskate, I worked my way > up the price ladder and when i reached the top, the paint came off. > Slowly. It's agreat mystery how the stuff can flake away in large > chips so readily but won't release its grip elsewhere. > > About this Roto-Zip thing...I thought that was a little router-like > device used for cutting. Your description leaves me with this mental > picture of little, Dremel-like sanding discs, and poor Al (not Poor, Al) > grinding away fastidiously, square millimeter by square millimeter. > > Chris Campbell > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS Boating sailing Sailing boat Sailing Boating ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "Cal_Boats" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Skipper wrote: > > Mommy here boys, and I came to NAG! > > Wear a 3m full-on organic respirator when you do this work. Keep the > glass > particles out of your lungs. Keep the MEK, Toluenol, Acetone, > Stripper and > God knows what else you end up using out of your Freaking lungs! Keep it > off your G****mn skin, too, because it flashes directly into your blood > stream faster than you can read this. > > You do think about these things when the urologist uses the C-word and prescribes a prostate biopsy to see what's in there. Let's see...methyl chloride (is that the paint remover ingredient?)...how much of that stuff have I breathed or absorbed over the years? Fortunately, both of my biopsies have been negative (no bad stuff), but I don't recommend them as a recreational activity. And I'm at least a bit more careful around various solvents and fumes these days. Chris Campbell Punctured too many times in the wrong places

Skipper wrote: > > Forgot to mention..... > > If a stripper takes this nasty paint and adhesive off, it will also > soften > the polyester fiberglass matrix as well, so think twice about using it > or at > the very least watch it carefully. Do not let it sit and work too long. > > The stuff I used did not affect the resin--it was still shiny and hard. The only areas affected were resin-starved areas where they had used some cloth, and the bare cloth scraped off a bit. But it wasn't doing anything anyway without resin in it. Chris Campbell

Chris was puzzled by the RotoZip: >About this Roto-Zip thing...I thought that was a little router-like >device used for cutting. Your description leaves me with this mental >picture of little, Dremel-like sanding discs, and poor Al (not Poor, Al) >grinding away fastidiously, square millimeter by square millimeter. If you get the full kit (in the handsome gray plastic carrying case) you get a right-angle attachment that takes coarse grit grinding "pads" that are better than average because they have large holes in the disc. This lets you see the surface that you're grinding (if you can see through the goggles, hood, and respirator; I agree with David about the precautions, even if I have not always followed the advice). The result is great control, though it will make an awesome gouge if you're not careful. Alfred Poor 1969 Cal 29 #132, "Pentaquod" Proud owner of two RotoZips

I want the cheap burlap gone but my hearing or body parts to be alive.I will try everything or has that been done. ? I just went thru fuel tank and engine mounts ect so this is a small price but largest amount of effort. My ten cents worth on this one I waited to near the end to rant hate the burlap. Scott 2-29 Dona Mia Coyote Pt. masconsult <ma… [at] cox.net> wrote: Skipper that is wise advice to protect oneself especially from the fumes and dust. There is a link between Benzene and others Chemicals to leukemia and other blood disorders. My research indicated that dermal exposure equates to about 2% absorption and inhalation about 50% exposure. This sh_t attacks ones bone marrow and has been know to permanently alters the production of cells. If you want to know about a specific chemical and its affects? Internet any chem name for example "Benzene" and the word "Litigation. Where there's smoke there may be fire! Mark Pelican 2-29 San Pedro ----- Original Message ----- From: Skipper To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 9:03 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] RE: CAL 2-27 Interior Mommy here boys, and I came to NAG! Wear a 3m full-on organic respirator when you do this work. Keep the glass particles out of your lungs. Keep the MEK, Toluenol, Acetone, Stripper and God knows what else you end up using out of your Freaking lungs! Keep it off your G****mn skin, too, because it flashes directly into your blood stream faster than you can read this. Wear some heavy duty EARPLUGS TOO. Do you GET IT? THIS IS IMPORTANT. These solvents cause nerve damage and to make matters worse they even contribute to hearing loss and tinnitus. Not to mention 100 decibels of grinder noise eating away at your precious hearing. Hearing loss can mean tinnitus, which is really nasty shit. The warnings on these products are not empty threats. This stuff catches up with you and then you find yourself ranting at young people who can't imagine the hell that you live through every day and how you could have prevented it. People used to come up to me in public places and ask me if I was Harrison Ford. Now, I found myself cornered by a crowd the other day and was forced to shout "I am not an animal." David Wilkie Owen Cal 2-29 "Mariposa" Santa Barbara, CA http://www.mariposasailing.com From: "Chris Campbell" <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 6:38 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] RE: CAL 2-27 Interior > > > Alfred Poor wrote: > >> John inquired about interior redecorating: >> >> >My questions involve surface prep and the type of paint I should use. >> >> I'm one of the RotoZip lovers, and I used the 60-grit (?) red wheel to >> remove the gel coat inside our Cal 29 that was coming off in >> tortilla-chip >> pieces. We did not fair the surface, though that would have been nice. > > If this is the same unpleasant stuff that coated the interior of my Cal > 20 from 1967, then it's not really gelcoat. It's a paint that does > dissolve with strong paint remover. The way to buy the stuff is by > price: pricier is better. As a congenital cheapskate, I worked my way > up the price ladder and when i reached the top, the paint came off. > Slowly. It's agreat mystery how the stuff can flake away in large > chips so readily but won't release its grip elsewhere. > > About this Roto-Zip thing...I thought that was a little router-like > device used for cutting. Your description leaves me with this mental > picture of little, Dremel-like sanding discs, and poor Al (not Poor, Al) > grinding away fastidiously, square millimeter by square millimeter. > > Chris Campbell > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS Boating sailing Sailing boat Sailing Boating --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "Cal_Boats" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates.