RE: [Cal_Boats] Fuel Prices (Rog)

Hi, Rog. Should we be concerned about the cost of our sail and boat materials going way up due to the petroleum content? Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rog Jones Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 12:56 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Fuel Prices (all) Gee, there have been some interesting comments on this subject. I asked because I was listening to the recording of the West Marine earnings call a few days ago and their CEO said that there would be no difference in their sales due to fuel prices, because their customers had accumulated so much wealth that fuel prices were merely a short-term annoyance for them and then everything returned to normal. That made me wonder if people were using their boats more or less. I'd bet that the response to this on a powerboating list would be different, but who knows? Not me! Thanks for the feedback. Out here, "cheap" (discount) regular gasoline is running $3.32 a gallon and on the fuel docks it runs as high as $5.45. I'll check diesel next time we're down to the boat. I drive a big-assed Jeep Grand Cherokee V8 to and from. It has a 22-gallon tank and we can just do a round trip on a single tank. That works out to about $75 each trip to the boat and back. It hasn't changed our habits much so far, but I hate to pay those prices. Anyway, I look forward to more comments on this subject. Take care. \Rog Cal 29+ #1 Swiss Navy Cal 2-30 #77 St. Lori's Comet SPONSORED LINKS Boating sailing <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Boating+sailing&w1=Boating+sailing& w2=Sailing+boat&w3=Sailing&w4=Boating&c=4&s=65&.sig=KgsPLsahA8AB__qRyAt_ XQ> Sailing boat <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Sailing+boat&w1=Boating+sailing&w2= Sailing+boat&w3=Sailing&w4=Boating&c=4&s=65&.sig=oZUJLnrR0FEbvZ5o13Ffaw> Sailing <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Sailing&w1=Boating+sailing&w2=Saili ng+boat&w3=Sailing&w4=Boating&c=4&s=65&.sig=eGOXnwatS3x0LYN3XxVdNA> Boating <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Boating&w1=Boating+sailing&w2=Saili ng+boat&w3=Sailing&w4=Boating&c=4&s=65&.sig=yMCAyUrqzhoqLD5Ydiy-Rg> YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "Cal_Boats <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cal_Boats> " on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> .

Actually, petrochemicals including gasoline are cheaper now than they were in the 70s when a lot of the boat building industry went belly up. The dollar has nosedived and that makes it look more than it is in real dollars. Look at gold. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 On May 13, 2006, at 10:20 AM, Husar Charlie wrote: > Hi, Rog. Should we be concerned about the cost of our sail and > boat materials going way up due to the petroleum content? > > Cheers > Charlie > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Rog Jones > Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 12:56 PM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Fuel Prices (all) > > > > Gee, there have been some interesting comments on this subject. I > asked because I was listening to the recording of the West Marine > earnings call a few days ago and their CEO said that there would be > no difference in their sales due to fuel prices, because their > customers had accumulated so much wealth that fuel prices were > merely a short-term annoyance for them and then everything returned > to normal. That made me wonder if people were using their boats > more or less. > > > > I’d bet that the response to this on a powerboating list would be > different, but who knows? Not me! > > > > Thanks for the feedback. Out here, “cheap” (discount) regular > gasoline is running $3.32 a gallon and on the fuel docks it runs as > high as $5.45. I’ll check diesel next time we’re down to the boat. > I drive a big-assed Jeep Grand Cherokee V8 to and from. It has a 22- > gallon tank and we can just do a round trip on a single tank. That > works out to about $75 each trip to the boat and back. It hasn’t > changed our habits much so far, but I hate to pay those prices. > > > > Anyway, I look forward to more comments on this subject. > > > > Take care. > > > > \Rog > > > > Cal 29+ #1 > > Swiss Navy > > > > Cal 2-30 #77 > > St. Lori's Comet > > > > > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Boating sailing Sailing boat Sailing > Boating > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > Visit your group "Cal_Boats" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > >

In 2005, $1.00 from 1974 was worth : $3.99 based on the Consumer Price Index $3.54 based on the GDP deflator $4.02 based on the unskilled wage $5.89 based on the nominal GDP per capita $8.01 based on the relative share of GDP In May 1974 at the height of the Arab Oil crisis (remember odd and even gasoline days?) we were paying an average of $0.55 per gallon for leaded regular gasoline. Using the mean of the foregoing ($5.09), that would work out to about $2.54 per gallon, using today's dollars. Feel free to correct me if I made a mistake, here. Stat/math never was my best area. What we should wonder is if boating fees and registration costs will go up as states and other jurisdictions find out that they haven't budgeted enough to pay for fuel for first responders and other service vehicles. After all, boating is a luxury only available to us rich guys and gals. That could get interesting, but, of course, most of us have accumulated so much wealth that we won't find that more than a temporary inconvenience, either. Hehehe. \Rog Cal 29+ #1 Swiss Navy Cal 2-30 #77 St. Lori's Comet

I get $2.80 per gallon, for what it's worth. I don't know which of the indices is/are most relevant. Harleigh Ewell Cal 31 From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rog Jones Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 11:58 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Fuel Prices (Mike and Chas) In 2005, $1.00 from 1974 was worth : $3.99 based on the Consumer Price Index $3.54 based on the GDP deflator $4.02 based on the unskilled wage $5.89 based on the nominal GDP per capita $8.01 based on the relative share of GDP In May 1974 at the height of the Arab Oil crisis (remember odd and even gasoline days?) we were paying an average of $0.55 per gallon for leaded regular gasoline. Using the mean of the foregoing ($5.09), that would work out to about $2.54 per gallon, using today's dollars. Feel free to correct me if I made a mistake, here. Stat/math never was my best area. What we should wonder is if boating fees and registration costs will go up as states and other jurisdictions find out that they haven't budgeted enough to pay for fuel for first responders and other service vehicles. After all, boating is a luxury only available to us rich guys and gals. That could get interesting, but, of course, most of us have accumulated so much wealth that we won't find that more than a temporary inconvenience, either. Hehehe. \Rog Cal 29+ #1 Swiss Navy Cal 2-30 #77 St. Lori's Comet SPONSORED LINKS Boating <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Boating+sailing&w1=Boating+sailing&w2=S ailing+boat&w3=Sailing&w4=Boating&c=4&s=65&.sig=KgsPLsahA8AB__qRyAt_XQ> sailing Sailing <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Sailing+boat&w1=Boating+sailing&w2=Sail ing+boat&w3=Sailing&w4=Boating&c=4&s=65&.sig=oZUJLnrR0FEbvZ5o13Ffaw> boat Sailing <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Sailing&w1=Boating+sailing&w2=Sailing+b oat&w3=Sailing&w4=Boating&c=4&s=65&.sig=eGOXnwatS3x0LYN3XxVdNA> Boating <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Boating&w1=Boating+sailing&w2=Sailing+b oat&w3=Sailing&w4=Boating&c=4&s=65&.sig=yMCAyUrqzhoqLD5Ydiy-Rg> _____ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "Cal_Boats <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cal_Boats> " on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Service. _____

Hi, Harleigh -- I knew I could count on somebody. Thanks! We just bought a goat so we don't have to use that gas-powered lawnmower. Just doin' our bit for conservation. Hehehe. Keep smiling. \Rog Cal 29+ #1 Swiss Navy Cal 2-30 #77 St. Lori's Comet _____ From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Harleigh Ewell Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 4:49 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Fuel Prices (Mike and Chas) I get $2.80 per gallon, for what it's worth. I don't know which of the indices is/are most relevant. Harleigh Ewell Cal 31 From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rog Jones Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 11:58 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Fuel Prices (Mike and Chas) In 2005, $1.00 from 1974 was worth : $3.99 based on the Consumer Price Index $3.54 based on the GDP deflator $4.02 based on the unskilled wage $5.89 based on the nominal GDP per capita $8.01 based on the relative share of GDP In May 1974 at the height of the Arab Oil crisis (remember odd and even gasoline days?) we were paying an average of $0.55 per gallon for leaded regular gasoline. Using the mean of the foregoing ($5.09), that would work out to about $2.54 per gallon, using today's dollars. Feel free to correct me if I made a mistake, here. Stat/math never was my best area. What we should wonder is if boating fees and registration costs will go up as states and other jurisdictions find out that they haven't budgeted enough to pay for fuel for first responders and other service vehicles. After all, boating is a luxury only available to us rich guys and gals. That could get interesting, but, of course, most of us have accumulated so much wealth that we won't find that more than a temporary inconvenience, either. Hehehe. \Rog Cal 29+ #1 Swiss Navy Cal 2-30 #77 St. Lori's Comet SPONSORED LINKS Boating <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Boating+sailing&w1=Boating+sailing&w2=S ailing+boat&w3=Sailing&w4=Boating&c=4&s=65&.sig=KgsPLsahA8AB__qRyAt_XQ> sailing Sailing <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Sailing+boat&w1=Boating+sailing&w2=Sail ing+boat&w3=Sailing&w4=Boating&c=4&s=65&.sig=oZUJLnrR0FEbvZ5o13Ffaw> boat Sailing <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Sailing&w1=Boating+sailing&w2=Sailing+b oat&w3=Sailing&w4=Boating&c=4&s=65&.sig=eGOXnwatS3x0LYN3XxVdNA> Boating <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Boating&w1=Boating+sailing&w2=Sailing+b oat&w3=Sailing&w4=Boating&c=4&s=65&.sig=yMCAyUrqzhoqLD5Ydiy-Rg> _____ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "Cal_Boats <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cal_Boats> " on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Service. _____

Helpful Guide for those Working to Restore Sailboats DRILL PRESS: A tall upright machine useful for suddenly snatching flat metal bars out of your hands so that it smacks you in the chest and flings your beer across the room, splattering it against that freshly painted part you were drying. WIRE WHEEL: Cleans paint off bolts and then throws them somewhere under the workbench with the speed of light. SANDING BLOCK: A rubber device that accepts quarter-sheets of sandpaper and positions them precisely so that the user can run every wood splinter in a piece of bright work into his or her fingers. ELECTRIC HAND DRILL: Normally used for spinning pop rivets in their holes but also handy for drilling holes in the wrong place. PLIERS: Used to round off bolt heads. HACKSAW: One of a family of cutting tools built on the Ouija board principle. It transforms human energy into a crooked, unpredictable motion, and the more you attempt to influence its course, the more dismal your future becomes. VICE-GRIPS: Used to round off frozen bolt heads. If nothing else is available, they can also be used to transfer intense welding heat to the palm of your hand. MICROMETER: a handy little calibrated precision "C" clamp for holding two parts to be welded. OXYACETYLENE TORCH: Used almost entirely for lighting various flammable objects in your shop or boat on fire. Also handy for igniting the grease inside the hub you want the bearing race out of. In an emergency, can be used to simultaneously unround bolt heads and bolt holes with the optional cutting torch head. BRITISH STANDARD WHITWORTH SOCKETS: Once used for working on older British cars and motorcycles, they are now used mainly for impersonating that 9/16 or 1/2 socket you've been searching for the last 15 minutes, but which you simply forgot is now in the bilge. Useful for rounding the heads off 9/16 and 1/2 bolts. HYDRAULIC JACK: Used for lowering a deck under a mast step to to its former position after you have installed your new mast support beacm, trapping the jack handle firmly under the icebox rim. EIGHT-FOOT LONG 4X2 TIMBER: Used for levering a mast upward off a hydraulic jack handle. TWEEZERS: A tool for removing wood splinters. E-Z OUT BOLT AND STUD EXTRACTOR: A tool ten times harder than any known drill bit that snaps off in bolt holes you couldn't use anyway. TAP: A tool used to destroy the remaining threads in an expensive component. BOTTOMING TAPS: Special taps designed to break and lodge in the threaded holes of irreplaceable parts. TWO-TON HOIST: A tool for testing the tensile strength of that very last prop shaft bolt you forgot to disconnect. 1/2" x 16-INCH SCREWDRIVER: A large pry bar that inexplicably has an accurately machined screwdriver tip on the end opposite the handle. PHILLIPS SCREWDRIVER: Normally used to stab the lids of old-style paper-and-tin oil cans and splash oil on your shirt; but can also be used, as the name implies, to strip out Phillips screw heads. Use full for jamming stuff in the bilge farther down in the bilge before slipping out of your fingers and joining the other rusty items down there in the bilge. AIR COMPRESSOR: A machine that takes energy produced in a coal-burning power station 200 miles away and transforms it into compressed air that travels by hose to a pneumatic impact wrench that grips rusty bolts last over-tightened 40 years ago by someone at Jensen Marine and neatly rounds off their heads. PRY BAR: A tool used to crumple the metal or fiberglass surrounding that clip or bracket you needed to remove in order to replace a 50-cent part. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts not far from the object we are trying to hit. \Rog Cal 29+ #1 Swiss Navy Cal 2-30 #77 St. Lori's Comet

On May 15, 2006, at 6:45 AM, Rog Jones wrote: > Helpful Guide for those Working to Restore Sailboats > > > > DRILL PRESS: A tall upright machine useful for suddenly snatching > flat metal bars out of your hands so that it smacks you in the > chest and flings your beer across the room, splattering it against > that freshly painted part you were drying. > > > > WIRE WHEEL: Cleans paint off bolts and then throws them somewhere > under the workbench with the speed of light. > > In my trauma center days we had a young man come in who had been sharpening a chisel on a grinder when the grinder grabbed the chisel and flung right into his head. He came in with the chisel handle sticking out of his forehead. Fortunately, there was nothing in there that could be harmed and he did fine. He actually recovered without incident. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96

Yes, apparently he had no pre-morbid executive functions in that frontal lobe. (If he was foolish enough to work on a boat, his judgment might be questioned even more. LOL) Terry Spencer Capriccio Cal 2-29 From: Michael Kennedy <mt… [at] cox.net> Reply-To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 07:56:43 -0700 To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Tool Guide On May 15, 2006, at 6:45 AM, Rog Jones wrote: > Helpful Guide for those Working to Restore Sailboats > > DRILL PRESS: A tall upright machine useful for suddenly snatching flat metal > bars out of your hands so that it smacks you in the chest and flings your beer > across the room, splattering it against that freshly painted part you were > drying. > > WIRE WHEEL: Cleans paint off bolts and then throws them somewhere under the > workbench with the speed of light. > In my trauma center days we had a young man come in who had been sharpening a chisel on a grinder when the grinder grabbed the chisel and flung right into his head. He came in with the chisel handle sticking out of his forehead. Fortunately, there was nothing in there that could be harmed and he did fine. He actually recovered without incident. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "Cal_Boats <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cal_Boats> " on the web. * * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: * Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> * * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> .

Excellent! Terry Spencer Capriccio Cal 2-29 From: "Rog Jones" <ro… [at] nvsailing.org> Organization: Sierra Nevada Community Sailing Reply-To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 06:45:17 -0700 To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Tool Guide Helpful Guide for those Working to Restore Sailboats DRILL PRESS: A tall upright machine useful for suddenly snatching flat metal bars out of your hands so that it smacks you in the chest and flings your beer across the room, splattering it against that freshly painted part you were drying. WIRE WHEEL: Cleans paint off bolts and then throws them somewhere under the workbench with the speed of light. SANDING BLOCK: A rubber device that accepts quarter-sheets of sandpaper and positions them precisely so that the user can run every wood splinter in a piece of bright work into his or her fingers. ELECTRIC HAND DRILL: Normally used for spinning pop rivets in their holes but also handy for drilling holes in the wrong place. PLIERS: Used to round off bolt heads. HACKSAW: One of a family of cutting tools built on the Ouija board principle. It transforms human energy into a crooked, unpredictable motion, and the more you attempt to influence its course, the more dismal your future becomes. VICE-GRIPS: Used to round off frozen bolt heads. If nothing else is available, they can also be used to transfer intense welding heat to the palm of your hand. MICROMETER: a handy little calibrated precision ³C² clamp for holding two parts to be welded. OXYACETYLENE TORCH: Used almost entirely for lighting various flammable objects in your shop or boat on fire. Also handy for igniting the grease inside the hub you want the bearing race out of. In an emergency, can be used to simultaneously unround bolt heads and bolt holes with the optional cutting torch head. BRITISH STANDARD WHITWORTH SOCKETS: Once used for working on older British cars and motorcycles, they are now used mainly for impersonating that 9/16 or 1/2 socket you've been searching for the last 15 minutes, but which you simply forgot is now in the bilge. Useful for rounding the heads off 9/16 and 1/2 bolts. HYDRAULIC JACK: Used for lowering a deck under a mast step to to its former position after you have installed your new mast support beacm, trapping the jack handle firmly under the icebox rim. EIGHT-FOOT LONG 4X2 TIMBER: Used for levering a mast upward off a hydraulic jack handle. TWEEZERS: A tool for removing wood splinters. E-Z OUT BOLT AND STUD EXTRACTOR: A tool ten times harder than any known drill bit that snaps off in bolt holes you couldn't use anyway. TAP: A tool used to destroy the remaining threads in an expensive component. BOTTOMING TAPS: Special taps designed to break and lodge in the threaded holes of irreplaceable parts. TWO-TON HOIST: A tool for testing the tensile strength of that very last prop shaft bolt you forgot to disconnect. 1/2" x 16-INCH SCREWDRIVER: A large pry bar that inexplicably has an accurately machined screwdriver tip on the end opposite the handle. PHILLIPS SCREWDRIVER: Normally used to stab the lids of old-style paper-and-tin oil cans and splash oil on your shirt; but can also be used, as the name implies, to strip out Phillips screw heads. Use full for jamming stuff in the bilge farther down in the bilge before slipping out of your fingers and joining the other rusty items down there in the bilge. AIR COMPRESSOR: A machine that takes energy produced in a coal-burning power station 200 miles away and transforms it into compressed air that travels by hose to a pneumatic impact wrench that grips rusty bolts last over-tightened 40 years ago by someone at Jensen Marine and neatly rounds off their heads. PRY BAR: A tool used to crumple the metal or fiberglass surrounding that clip or bracket you needed to remove in order to replace a 50-cent part. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts not far from the object we are trying to hit. \Rog Cal 29+ #1 Swiss Navy Cal 2-30 #77 St. Lori's Comet SPONSORED LINKS Boating sailing <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Boating+sailing&w1=Boating+sailing&w2=S ailing+boat&w3=Sailing&w4=Boating&c=4&s=65&.sig=KgsPLsahA8AB__qRyAt_XQ> Sailing boat <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Sailing+boat&w1=Boating+sailing&w2=Sail ing+boat&w3=Sailing&w4=Boating&c=4&s=65&.sig=oZUJLnrR0FEbvZ5o13Ffaw> Sailing <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Sailing&w1=Boating+sailing&w2=Sailing+b oat&w3=Sailing&w4=Boating&c=4&s=65&.sig=eGOXnwatS3x0LYN3XxVdNA> Boating <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Boating&w1=Boating+sailing&w2=Sailing+b oat&w3=Sailing&w4=Boating&c=4&s=65&.sig=yMCAyUrqzhoqLD5Ydiy-Rg> YAHOO! 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Rog Jones wrote: > > > > > What we should wonder is if boating fees and registration costs will > go up as states and other jurisdictions find out that they haven't > budgeted enough to pay for fuel for first responders and other service > vehicles. > > Actually, the real threat is that states and other jurisdictions will continue to adopt the illusion that they are cutting taxes, by the expedient of imposing "user fees." It's an Orwellian slight-of-hand trick. Fees and registration costs will rise because the cost of governmental functions must be paid while the legislators rush to show us how electable they are because they have cut taxes. Remember when Reagan hit us with that special Coast Guard sticker that we had to buy? I seem to recall that it was $60 or $90 for my boat. I've still got one, stuck to the paint shelf on the old ladder that I use when the boat is in the cradle ashore. In my part of Michigan, the law was observed primarily in the breach, but I bought the sticker because we have to obey laws that we don't like if we are to remain a civilized society (exceptions made for laws that are morally repugnant). Chris Campbell

Rog Jones wrote: > Helpful Guide for those Working to Restore Sailboats > > > > DRILL PRESS: A tall upright machine useful for suddenly snatching flat > metal bars out of your hands so that it smacks you in the chest and > flings your beer across the room, splattering it against that freshly > painted part you were drying. > > > > I recognized the drill press definition right away, and then laughed harder with each succeeding definition. They're all true. Love the bottoming tap one and all the rest. Now I know it's not just my own ineptitude. I was using the hack saw last night for a job that required good right-angle cuts, and just knew that it was going to wander off course and make me look like an incompetent. By some good fortune, the blade (which had a big twist in it) actually cut straight. It was a first. Maybe the lesson is to always use beat-up blades. Chris Campbell

Are y'all aware that the USCG has a request before congress for legislation requiring "Proof of competency" for all operators of recreational boats. What is that one gonna cost? Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> wrote: Rog Jones wrote: What we should wonder is if boating fees and registration costs will go up as states and other jurisdictions find out that they haven’t budgeted enough to pay for fuel for first responders and other service vehicles. Actually, the real threat is that states and other jurisdictions will continue to adopt the illusion that they are cutting taxes, by the expedient of imposing "user fees." It's an Orwellian slight-of-hand trick. Fees and registration costs will rise because the cost of governmental functions must be paid while the legislators rush to show us how electable they are because they have cut taxes. Remember when Reagan hit us with that special Coast Guard sticker that we had to buy? I seem to recall that it was $60 or $90 for my boat. I've still got one, stuck to the paint shelf on the old ladder that I use when the boat is in the cradle ashore. In my part of Michigan, the law was observed primarily in the breach, but I bought the sticker because we have to obey laws that we don't like if we are to remain a civilized society (exceptions made for laws that are morally repugnant). Chris Campbell SPONSORED LINKS Boating sailing Sailing boat Sailing Boating --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "Cal_Boats" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Be a chatter box. Enjoy free PC-to-PC calls with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice.

Many of the former British countries such as Australia and New Zealand have these kids of requirements before you can put to sea in a boat. At first I thought they were an infringement on people's freedom to go out and do really stupid things, but the more I sail with people who have passed these qualification demonstrations, the better I like them. I have a buddy who is in our Coast Guard Auxiliary unit with Lori and me. He is also a 100-tonner and operates a boat for Vessel Assist on the San Francisco Bay. If you need stories about why people should demonstrate competency, he's got them. Personally, I really like this idea. The kids who complete the first year of our sailing program have passed the Nevada Boating Safety Exam (at ages starting at age 8) and completed the entire U.S. Sailing Red Book. They know more than most adults I talk with and have superior skills to many. Yes, you can get away with no licensing and no training but experience, however, I personally believe you will not be as skilled or as safe as those who have proven their knowledge and ability. My two bits. \Rog Cal 29+ #1 Swiss Navy Cal 2-30 #77 St. Lori's Comet _____ From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pat pat Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 5:48 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Fuel Prices (Mike and Chas) Are y'all aware that the USCG has a request before congress for legislation requiring "Proof of competency" for all operators of recreational boats. What is that one gonna cost? Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> wrote: Rog Jones wrote: What we should wonder is if boating fees and registration costs will go up as states and other jurisdictions find out that they haven't budgeted enough to pay for fuel for first responders and other service vehicles. Actually, the real threat is that states and other jurisdictions will continue to adopt the illusion that they are cutting taxes, by the expedient of imposing "user fees." It's an Orwellian slight-of-hand trick. Fees and registration costs will rise because the cost of governmental functions must be paid while the legislators rush to show us how electable they are because they have cut taxes. Remember when Reagan hit us with that special Coast Guard sticker that we had to buy? I seem to recall that it was $60 or $90 for my boat. I've still got one, stuck to the paint shelf on the old ladder that I use when the boat is in the cradle ashore. In my part of Michigan, the law was observed primarily in the breach, but I bought the sticker because we have to obey laws that we don't like if we are to remain a civilized society (exceptions made for laws that are morally repugnant). Chris Campbell _____ Be a chatter box. Enjoy free <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/taglines/postman12/*http:/us.rd.yahoo.com/ev t=39663/*http:/messenger.yahoo.com> PC-to-PC calls with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. SPONSORED LINKS Boating <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Boating+sailing&w1=Boating+sailing&w2=S ailing+boat&w3=Sailing&w4=Boating&c=4&s=65&.sig=KgsPLsahA8AB__qRyAt_XQ> sailing Sailing <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Sailing+boat&w1=Boating+sailing&w2=Sail ing+boat&w3=Sailing&w4=Boating&c=4&s=65&.sig=oZUJLnrR0FEbvZ5o13Ffaw> boat Sailing <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Sailing&w1=Boating+sailing&w2=Sailing+b oat&w3=Sailing&w4=Boating&c=4&s=65&.sig=eGOXnwatS3x0LYN3XxVdNA> Boating <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Boating&w1=Boating+sailing&w2=Sailing+b oat&w3=Sailing&w4=Boating&c=4&s=65&.sig=yMCAyUrqzhoqLD5Ydiy-Rg> _____ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "Cal_Boats <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cal_Boats> " on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Service. _____

--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Rog Jones" <rog@...> wrote: > > Many of the former British countries such as Australia and New Zealand have > these kids of requirements before you can put to sea in a boat. New Zealand got into this after a couple of disasters at sea. They have very dangerous waters offshore and there is a whole fleet of cruisers that go down there to hide from typhoons during the summer and then head north again about April (fall for the geographically challenged). There have been several major storms in recent years with multiple losses of boats and lives. There may also have been some insurance issues. > At first I > thought they were an infringement on people's freedom to go out and do > really stupid things, but the more I sail with people who have passed these > qualification demonstrations, the better I like them. I think most people object to the mandatory aspect. The states have also gotten into gun safety but as a revenue source and a way to harrass gun owners. The NRA (life member) has cooperated and run these courses for years but the states, at least California, have added all sorts of nonsense. > I have a buddy who is > in our Coast Guard Auxiliary unit with Lori and me. He is also a 100-tonner > and operates a boat for Vessel Assist on the San Francisco Bay. If you need > stories about why people should demonstrate competency, he's got them. I think if the rules are sensible, I'm all for it. I wish I had your faith in government to make sensible rules. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 rest snipped for the folks on digest

pat pat wrote: > Are y'all aware that the USCG has a request before congress for > legislation requiring "Proof of competency" for all operators of > recreational boats. What is that one gonna cost? Proving competency will be very pricey for some folks I see out on the water.... Chris Campbell > > *//*