Re: [Cal_Boats] Fuel Prices (all)

Reggie, and that always seems to be when I get a nice puff of wind........and pick up speed! I've had powerboaters actually alter course and SPEED UP in order to pass in front of me, when a slight course correction and constant speed would have allowed them to safely pass astern. Oh well! Rod Johnson, "NODROG" 1970 CAL 21 #285 On Thu, 11 May 2006 23:17:13 -0600 "r good" <my… [at] hotmail.com> writes: > and cannot stand to pass astern. must pass in front! > Reggie > > > >From: Terrence Spencer <ts… [at] harbornet.com> > >Reply-To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > >To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > >Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Fuel Prices (all) > >Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 16:21:58 -0700 > > > >Here in Puget Sound, I find myself wondering if I will see fewer of > those > >large power boats pushing a giant wall of water in front of them as > they go > >down the bay. It would not break my heart if these folks went > fewer miles > >or slowed down to hull speed this summer. On big travel days, > particularly > >in some of our narrower channels up here, it is no fun to be > constantly > >rocked by large wakes. > > > >While I am on the subject, why do they have to make a point of > driving > >close > >to the pretty boat under sail??!?!? I feel a rant coming on so I > will > >leave > >it at that. > > > >Got to love a diesel that burns less than .5 gal / hr. > > > >Terry Spencer > >Capriccio > >Cal 2-29 > >Tacoma >

Rodney G Johnson wrote: > Reggie, and that always seems to be when I get a nice puff of > wind........and pick up speed! > I've had powerboaters actually alter course and SPEED UP in order to pass > in front of me, when a slight course correction and constant speed would > have allowed them to safely pass astern. Oh well! > > If we try to understand powerboat behavior, we'll be at work well into eternity. Just when you think you've seen the least rational actions ever, another one comes along and lowers the bar. Where I sail, there are many fishermen in power boats, dragging "planer boards" that hold their trolling lines out to the sides. For some reason, they just love to cross my bow, when the slightest course correction would take them astern. One time I got tired of altering course and sail trim to accommodate thse idiots, and held my course. I've still got a long piece of nice braided nylon line that snagged on my keel and outboard. The "captain" of the vessel was audibly upset (death threats and such). I've never quite understood this insistence on crossing the bow instead of the stern, unless it's the same psychic imperative that causes some guys to buy these big-wheel trucks to cruise around town in (at about 4 mi./gal.). My theory is that it springs from insecurity about certain anatomical sufficiency and the need to assert by aggressive behavior that one is really adequately endowed. Chris Campbell

--- Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> wrote: > > > Rodney G Johnson wrote: > > > Reggie, and that always seems to be when I get a > nice puff of > > wind........and pick up speed! > > I've had powerboaters actually alter course and > SPEED UP in order to pass > > in front of me, when a slight course correction > and constant speed would > > have allowed them to safely pass astern. Oh well! > > > > > > If we try to understand powerboat behavior, we'll be > at work well into > eternity. Just when you think you've seen the least > rational actions > ever, another one comes along and lowers the bar. > Where I sail, there > are many fishermen in power boats, dragging "planer > boards" that hold > their trolling lines out to the sides. For some > reason, they just love > to cross my bow, when the slightest course > correction would take them > astern. One time I got tired of altering course and > sail trim to > accommodate thse idiots, and held my course. I've > still got a long > piece of nice braided nylon line that snagged on my > keel and outboard. > The "captain" of the vessel was audibly upset (death > threats and such). > I've never quite understood this insistence on > crossing the bow instead > of the stern, unless it's the same psychic > imperative that causes some > guys to buy these big-wheel trucks to cruise around > town in (at about 4 > mi./gal.). My theory is that it springs from > insecurity about certain > anatomical sufficiency Ever notice how the PB alpha hotels have yellow stains on their white deck shoes? Tom Vandiver and the need to assert by > aggressive behavior > that one is really adequately endowed. > > Chris Campbell >

Ha Ha. This is an actual true story and recounted here verbatim, but very close to word for word. One sunny and very light air race day we were close hauled on a long tack and here comes our local whale watching boat. He's on a very straight course for the harbor, probably on autopilot and certainly set to pass 1/4 to 1/3 mile outside of us. We were doing the "offshore Dave" tack (I've placed well with this maneuver in August, braving more swell in exchange for more wind) with nobody outside of us. Nobody and nothing but open channel. One of my crew says "Glad he's passing astern of us." I said, "No, he won't." "Will too, it's plain to see." "Will not (I was going to make a joke about power boaters.)" "What are you, blind, he's on a course to pass way astern." "But he won't." "Got a twenty in your pocket?" "Yep, you're on. He will pass in front of us (Oops, gonna have to make him buy drinks with my twenty.)" "Twenty says he's heading astern." "The bet is that he will pass ahead of us." "You're nuts, but it's a bet, numbskull." Five or so minutes later he takes a gentle, but significant turn to port, powers up and heads for the beach, passing less than 50 yards ahead of us and slowing us with his wake. Unless he mistook us for Moby Dick, this was a clear case of PBWSPM. Channel 16. "Condor Express, this is the Sailing Auxiliary Mariposa on channel 16." "Condor Express, Mariposa, how can I help you." "Just a thanks. I won $20 when you changed course to pass in front of us." "Mariposa, please go to 68 to continue this discussion." "Condor Express, not necessary. No beef here, thanks is enough. Mariposa standing by all channels." "........no reply........" This happened on our Sailing Club's annual Goleta Beach race. David Wilkie Owen Cal 2-29 "Mariposa" Santa Barbara, CA http://www.mariposasailing.com <BIG SNIP>

How about a favor, David? Will you please send this to Richard Spindler along with a paragraph of background as to why it is pertinent? ri… [at] latitude38.com Or if not, can I forward it to him. This is a GREAT story! I love stuff like this. It should be shared with others of our sailing persuasion. Best, David. \Rog Cal 29+ #1 Swiss Navy Cal 2-30 #77 St. Lori's Comet _____ From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Skipper Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 5:40 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] DF power boaters (was) fuel prices Ha Ha. This is an actual true story and recounted here verbatim, but very close to word for word. One sunny and very light air race day we were close hauled on a long tack and here comes our local whale watching boat. He's on a very straight course for the harbor, probably on autopilot and certainly set to pass 1/4 to 1/3 mile outside of us. We were doing the "offshore Dave" tack (I've placed well with this maneuver in August, braving more swell in exchange for more wind) with nobody outside of us. Nobody and nothing but open channel. One of my crew says "Glad he's passing astern of us." I said, "No, he won't." "Will too, it's plain to see." "Will not (I was going to make a joke about power boaters.)" "What are you, blind, he's on a course to pass way astern." "But he won't." "Got a twenty in your pocket?" "Yep, you're on. He will pass in front of us (Oops, gonna have to make him buy drinks with my twenty.)" "Twenty says he's heading astern." "The bet is that he will pass ahead of us." "You're nuts, but it's a bet, numbskull." Five or so minutes later he takes a gentle, but significant turn to port, powers up and heads for the beach, passing less than 50 yards ahead of us and slowing us with his wake. Unless he mistook us for Moby Dick, this was a clear case of PBWSPM. Channel 16. "Condor Express, this is the Sailing Auxiliary Mariposa on channel 16." "Condor Express, Mariposa, how can I help you." "Just a thanks. I won $20 when you changed course to pass in front of us." "Mariposa, please go to 68 to continue this discussion." "Condor Express, not necessary. No beef here, thanks is enough. Mariposa standing by all channels." "........no reply........" This happened on our Sailing Club's annual Goleta Beach race. David Wilkie Owen Cal 2-29 "Mariposa" Santa Barbara, CA http://www.mariposasailing.com <BIG SNIP> SPONSORED LINKS Boating <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Boating+sailing&w1=Boating+sailing&w2=S ailing+boat&w3=Sailing&w4=Boating&c=4&s=65&.sig=KgsPLsahA8AB__qRyAt_XQ> sailing Sailing <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Sailing+boat&w1=Boating+sailing&w2=Sail ing+boat&w3=Sailing&w4=Boating&c=4&s=65&.sig=oZUJLnrR0FEbvZ5o13Ffaw> boat Sailing <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Sailing&w1=Boating+sailing&w2=Sailing+b oat&w3=Sailing&w4=Boating&c=4&s=65&.sig=eGOXnwatS3x0LYN3XxVdNA> Boating <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Boating&w1=Boating+sailing&w2=Sailing+b oat&w3=Sailing&w4=Boating&c=4&s=65&.sig=yMCAyUrqzhoqLD5Ydiy-Rg> _____ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "Cal_Boats <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cal_Boats> " on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Service. _____

Can do, but I have to edit some names..... This is a small town. David ----- Original Message ----- From: Rog Jones To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 7:13 PM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] DF power boaters (was) fuel prices How about a favor, David? Will you please send this to Richard Spindler along with a paragraph of background as to why it is pertinent? ri… [at] latitude38.com Or if not, can I forward it to him. This is a GREAT story! I love stuff like this. It should be shared with others of our sailing persuasion. Best, David. \Rog Cal 29+ #1 Swiss Navy Cal 2-30 #77 St. Lori's Comet ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Skipper Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 5:40 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] DF power boaters (was) fuel prices Ha Ha. This is an actual true story and recounted here verbatim, but very close to word for word. One sunny and very light air race day we were close hauled on a long tack and here comes our local whale watching boat. He's on a very straight course for the harbor, probably on autopilot and certainly set to pass 1/4 to 1/3 mile outside of us. We were doing the "offshore Dave" tack (I've placed well with this maneuver in August, braving more swell in exchange for more wind) with nobody outside of us. Nobody and nothing but open channel. One of my crew says "Glad he's passing astern of us." I said, "No, he won't." "Will too, it's plain to see." "Will not (I was going to make a joke about power boaters.)" "What are you, blind, he's on a course to pass way astern." "But he won't." "Got a twenty in your pocket?" "Yep, you're on. He will pass in front of us (Oops, gonna have to make him buy drinks with my twenty.)" "Twenty says he's heading astern." "The bet is that he will pass ahead of us." "You're nuts, but it's a bet, numbskull." Five or so minutes later he takes a gentle, but significant turn to port, powers up and heads for the beach, passing less than 50 yards ahead of us and slowing us with his wake. Unless he mistook us for Moby Dick, this was a clear case of PBWSPM. Channel 16. "Condor Express, this is the Sailing Auxiliary Mariposa on channel 16." "Condor Express, Mariposa, how can I help you." "Just a thanks. I won $20 when you changed course to pass in front of us." "Mariposa, please go to 68 to continue this discussion." "Condor Express, not necessary. No beef here, thanks is enough. Mariposa standing by all channels." "........no reply........" This happened on our Sailing Club's annual Goleta Beach race. David Wilkie Owen _________________ Cal 2-29 "Mariposa" Santa Barbara, CA http://www.mariposasailing.com <BIG SNIP> SPONSORED LINKS Boating sailing Sailing boat Sailing Boating ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "Cal_Boats" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hello Sailors and Sailorettes, I read the account of Condor Express, the whale watching power boat, passing across the bow of Mariposa. Living in south Florida, trust me we see this all of the time. I suppose power boaters consider that since "we" can't go more than 6-8 kts or so, they take the liberty to head any direction they so please. With numerous bascule bridges I also see this a lot as I begin to transit the raised bridge, only to encounter a power boater (that can easily clear the span even when the bridge is down) cut ahead of me hindering my safe passage. It's just the way things are. Take a drive on I-95 here in south Florida; it's analogous. OK, now to my account.... Last week we entered Magic in the Hospice Regatta with about 60 other sailboats. What a fantastic day on the water. Coming about the first mark, we ducked behind one boat that was on a starboard tack, tacked and easily cleared the mark. There was a crowd behind us, and later accounts that evening described mayhem, shouting, scrambling, and a few playing "bumper boats". The second mark was about a six mile spinnaker run out in 200+ ft water. While we had some fishermen trolling, they soon figured out what was going on and cleared out. Coming about the second mark, we were again in 30-50 feet of water and heading for the finish line on a close reach. The rules here (and I suppose it is true everywhere) is to keep 300 feet away from divers in the water. As an avid scuba diver, I diligently keep a look out for diver-down flags. Saturday was no exception, and we either headed up or fell off to avoid any close encounters. About half way to the finish line from the second mark, four boats began to pass us to windward about 500 feet away. It was a horse race! Although we tried to hail them on VHF, all four passed way too close to the diver-down flags... the dive boat had a large flag easy to spot, and the divers also had a flag in the water. Don't get me wrong, I just love to trash power boaters for their aloof behaviors, poor seamanship, and outward rudeness. But on the other hand, we also need to pay close attention to what is around us. It's not a pecking order out there on the water. Regards, Michael Duvall s/v Magic, Cal 2-27 Pompano Beach, FL --------------------------------- Ring'em or ping'em. Make PC-to-phone calls as low as 1¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice.

Hiya, David -- Good stories like yours are really a treat for those of us who read Latitude 38. There are so many serious rants from people with no sense of where we all fit into the universal scheme of things and thus can't laugh about life's ironies. One of the things I really like about this list is that there are a lot of people here who really can. Sailing makes us remember over and over again, that we aren't the hotshots we might like to be. The sea and mother nature keep us on our toes and aware that we are just along for the sail. Take care, David. Thanks. \Rog I actually remembered to snip this. Sorry for the previous lapse, Alfred and others who get the digest. Cal 29+ #1 Swiss Navy Cal 2-30 #77 St. Lori's Comet

I guess I’d be the newbie. What does PBWSPM mean?

Power Boater With Small Personal Member ----- Original Message ----- From: Carlos Caro To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 12:51 AM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] DF power boaters (was) fuel prices I guess I'd be the newbie. What does PBWSPM mean? SPONSORED LINKS Boating sailing Sailing boat Sailing Boating ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "Cal_Boats" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

On May 24, 2006, at 7:59 AM, Skipper wrote: > > Power Boater With Small Personal Member This prompts a powerboat story. I hope I haven't told it here before. A friend, now dead, was a very busy GP whose only recreation was his powerboat. He was a bachelor (straight and about 45) and loved to go to Catalina and anchor off Descanso Bay, near Avalon. He would take off on Friday about noon and drop the hook an hour later. One day he got there, anchored and was taking a shower down below when he looked out his port hole and saw a huge powerboat anchoring right next to him. He grabbed a towel and ran up on deck. By this time, no one is above deck on the powerboat. He's standing there, wrapped only in a towel, yelling at this boat that they have anchored too close, they will foul his anchor, he was there first, etc, etc. A blonde wearing high heels and holding a martini, finally teeters up the companionway on the powerboat and looks at him. He's yelling at her and she just stands there. Finally, she says, "I can see everything under that towel." He's still yelling about seamanship and they've got to reanchor, etc. Finally, she says "You're even smaller than my husband," and teeters back down below. He finally reanchors and then lies awake all night trying to come up with a suitable rejoinder. He died of a heart attack about a year later. Too much work and not enough Catalina. Maybe a few more blondes would have helped, too. Mike \Kennedy Conquest cal 40 # 96 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Carlos Caro > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 12:51 AM > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] DF power boaters (was) fuel prices > > I guess I’d be the newbie. What does PBWSPM mean? > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Boating sailing Sailing boat Sailing > Boating > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > Visit your group "Cal_Boats" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > >

Michael D wrote: > > Don't get me wrong, I just love to trash power boaters for their aloof > behaviors, poor seamanship, and outward rudeness. But on the other > hand, we also need to pay close attention to what is around us. I always think about the dumbass trick played by a local sailor where I keep the other boat. He's got the largest sailing yacht on the Saginaw River, and perhaps the largest (but least justified) ego. The setting is the ASTA Tall Ships gathering, which will be in Bay City again this year. I had sailed in on the schooner Madeline, as it's fun arriving in the old home town on the kind of schooner that would have been seen there in 1850. The plan was for all the "tall ships" to head out the river to the bay and then parade back in, in a certain order. We were sailing downriver when we observed that the largest sailing yacht on the Saginaw River had stopped--stopped!--in the middle of the preferred channel through a railroad bridge opening, where we could not safely pass. He could have stopped anywhere but he chose the one place we could not pass. What a jerk. He's also the only sailor I know who has raised the ire of powerboaters with his wake. He sailed up the river under spinnaker one day, passing the marina at such speed that he left a wake that had the docked powerboaters yelling on their VHFs. Turnabout is fair play, I suppose. Chris Campbell

There are all kinds of people out on the water. Some rude sail and power. Sail: I took an old friend out for a sail and we tossed a lunch hook about 100' from the inside middle section of the Long Beach/Los Angeles breakwater. It was during the week, there was no traffic in site and if there was, we were about as far out of the way as one could get! An hour later, we spot a big boat race coming up from Long Beach and on the harbor side as well. It was exciting, the lead boat made a tack with plenty of distance, the 15 or so other boats each tack in clean air getting closer to the wall and us. Now getting a little concerned, even though the deck ape is in the pulpit, indicating to the helmsman, a little further, little more...ok tack,,,what? tack!!!!!! ok....he tacks, but not with out consequences. He had the most beautiful racing head sail until it caught the top of my cal 20 mast! Rrrrrrrrrrrrrip. I now had a skipper cussing at me, like it was all my fault. I graciously applauded him and said thank you, have a nice day! I did have to replace my back stay, one wire went.But for about 3 months I flew a carbon fiber tell-tail from the top of my mast! Power: I was in my little run about 16' power boat traveling up the inside of the Los Angeles breakwater toward inner Cabrillo Beach. A bigger power boat comes flying in across our bow and he is trolling with a tuna jig. I could see the line getting closer and closer and finally, the clear mono line was on top of our bow. the jig flew right into out cock pit, there was some line slack for about a second or two and as a not so bright teenager, grabbed it and tossed it back into the water and with out getting snagged! I think back how dangerous that was. And how inconsiderate and dangerous power boaters are for trolling inside of the harbor. There are ALL kinds out on the water. Mark Cal 2-29 Pelican From: Chris Campbell To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 7:06 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Sailboat Racing and Scuba Divers (was) DF power boaters Michael D wrote: > > Don't get me wrong, I just love to trash power boaters for their aloof > behaviors, poor seamanship, and outward rudeness. But on the other > hand, we also need to pay close attention to what is around us. I always think about the dumbass trick played by a local sailor where I keep the other boat. He's got the largest sailing yacht on the Saginaw River, and perhaps the largest (but least justified) ego. The setting is the ASTA Tall Ships gathering, which will be in Bay City again this year. I had sailed in on the schooner Madeline, as it's fun arriving in the old home town on the kind of schooner that would have been seen there in 1850. The plan was for all the "tall ships" to head out the river to the bay and then parade back in, in a certain order. We were sailing downriver when we observed that the largest sailing yacht on the Saginaw River had stopped--stopped!--in the middle of the preferred channel through a railroad bridge opening, where we could not safely pass. He could have stopped anywhere but he chose the one place we could not pass. What a jerk. He's also the only sailor I know who has raised the ire of powerboaters with his wake. He sailed up the river under spinnaker one day, passing the marina at such speed that he left a wake that had the docked powerboaters yelling on their VHFs. Turnabout is fair play, I suppose. Chris Campbell SPONSORED LINKS Boating sailing Sailing boat Sailing Boating ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "Cal_Boats" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------