RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 20 halyards

didn't your wire rope halyards have a line tail? whatever the diameter of that tail is, it will run nicely over your existing sheaves without replacement, providing they are still in good shape. Reggie >From: Chris Collins <ch… [at] vanderbilt.edu> >Reply-To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> >Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal 20 halyards >Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 09:40:15 -0500 > >Does anyone know if 1/4" line will run freely through the masthead sheeves >designed for 1/8" wire? I replaced the wire/rope halyards on Courtship--my >old 2-27--with 3/8" stayset-X (I think) without a problem, but not sure if >I'll need to replace the sheeves on the Cal 20. > >I'd really like to order new halyards today. The sailing bug's bitten me >pretty hard again. > >Thanks, > >Chris >Chris Collins >'63 Cal 20 #323 >"don't know yet" >Nashville, TN >

Reggie, The old halyards do have 1/4" tails and I know they will run over the sheeves. I figured that out when rigging the mast before stepping it. I worry the 1/4" line will jam in the old sheeves under load. Maby I'll just upgrade the sheeves and be done with it. The new line is already on the way. Thanks all for your help. Chris (Collins) --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "r good" <my1972ih@...> wrote: > > didn't your wire rope halyards have a line tail? whatever the diameter of > that tail is, it will run nicely over your existing sheaves without > replacement, providing they are still in good shape. > Reggie

christoph_323 wrote: > Reggie, > > The old halyards do have 1/4" tails and I know they will run over the > sheeves. I figured that out when rigging the mast before stepping it. > I worry the 1/4" line will jam in the old sheeves under load. Maby > I'll just upgrade the sheeves and be done with it. The new line is > already on the way. > From the looks of the weather out of my office window, I'll be sailing Cal 20 #1220 for the first time this year tonight. I'll try to remember to check the halyard tail diameter, but I'm pretty sure it's at least 5/16", and it runs freely with no problems on original sheaves. Chris Campbell

Your halyards are probably like mine were, if they are original. they are grooved for line with a smaller groove in the center for the wire rope. Your line will not get jamed in the sheave. >From: "christoph_323" <ch… [at] vanderbilt.edu> >Reply-To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal 20 halyards >Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 20:05:25 -0000 > >Reggie, > >The old halyards do have 1/4" tails and I know they will run over the >sheeves. I figured that out when rigging the mast before stepping it. >I worry the 1/4" line will jam in the old sheeves under load. Maby >I'll just upgrade the sheeves and be done with it. The new line is >already on the way. > >Thanks all for your help. > >Chris (Collins) > >--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "r good" <my1972ih@...> wrote: > > > > didn't your wire rope halyards have a line tail? whatever the >diameter of > > that tail is, it will run nicely over your existing sheaves without > > replacement, providing they are still in good shape. > > Reggie > > > >

Ta Da! Chris, check out the Samson Ultra-Lite. (Discalimer: No connection with Samson, just a user of the product). Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Campbell Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 11:50 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal 20 halyards I checked my halyards tonight after sailing and they are 5/16"--they run over the sheaves without problems. Chris Campbell ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get to your groups with one click. Know instantly when new email arrives http://us.click.yahoo.com/.7bhrC/MGxNAA/yQLSAA/A1TolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links

Husar Charlie wrote: > Ta Da! Chris, check out the Samson Ultra-Lite. (Discalimer: No > connection with Samson, just a user of the product). > OK, Cal experts, who knows the spinnaker pole length and approx. spinnaker size for the Cal 20? Mine is all set up with halyards and pole topping lift and all manner of blocks and fairleads and cleats, but no spinnaker or pole. And while we're on the subject of sails, let's hear nominations for best used sail peddler. My first sail of the season was in very light air and the boat moved along quite well in the circumstances, perhaps because of the exotic '70s "zipper foot" feature on the main, but that poor main didn't have a very distinguished shape in light air (not very ditinguished in heavier air either, just less wrinkly). I figured that investing in a nice used mainsail might be just the thing, to go with my used boat and used truck and used bicycle. What a cheapskate, but I get to go sailing.... Chris Campbell

Chris, thus challenged, my source says your 20 has a J of 7.33 feet (frac rig), and an I of 22.0 feet. Therefore your no PHRF penalty values are: Spin Pole = 7'4" - Watch how you measure it - there are several ways. Spinnaker max girth (1.8 * 7.33 feet) = 13.2 feet or 13'2.4" Spinnaker max luff/leach (I) = 22.0 feet Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Campbell Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 11:50 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 20 halyards Husar Charlie wrote: > Ta Da! Chris, check out the Samson Ultra-Lite. (Discalimer: No > connection with Samson, just a user of the product). > OK, Cal experts, who knows the spinnaker pole length and approx. spinnaker size for the Cal 20? Mine is all set up with halyards and pole topping lift and all manner of blocks and fairleads and cleats, but no spinnaker or pole. And while we're on the subject of sails, let's hear nominations for best used sail peddler. My first sail of the season was in very light air and the boat moved along quite well in the circumstances, perhaps because of the exotic '70s "zipper foot" feature on the main, but that poor main didn't have a very distinguished shape in light air (not very ditinguished in heavier air either, just less wrinkly). I figured that investing in a nice used mainsail might be just the thing, to go with my used boat and used truck and used bicycle. What a cheapskate, but I get to go sailing.... Chris Campbell ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> You can search right from your browser? It's easy and it's free. See how. http://us.click.yahoo.com/_7bhrC/NGxNAA/yQLSAA/A1TolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links

Husar Charlie wrote: > > Spinnaker max girth (1.8 * 7.33 feet) = 13.2 feet or 13'2.4" Does "girth" equal foot width, or some other mystical number? I wrap a measuring tape around my middle to measure my girth, or used to when the results were less frightful ( a friend sent photos of us getting the Cal 20 masts up, and take my word for it, you're better off NOT knowing what you look like from behind). Chris

Chris, I think you know I am a member at Crescent down here in Grosse Pointe and we have a fleet of some 8-10 Cal 20's that race on Sunday mornings. I plan to be at the club this Sunday and will ask who may have a used main available. I could even measure a spin pole length for you. What's your budget $50 - 100 ? ? Lake St. Clair is the venue for the NOOD's this weekend. The Cal 25's have their own start and a good turn out. Later, Nick From: Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> Husar Charlie wrote: > Ta Da! Chris, check out the Samson Ultra-Lite. (Discalimer: No > connection with Samson, just a user of the product). > OK, Cal experts, who knows the spinnaker pole length and approx. spinnaker size for the Cal 20? Mine is all set up with halyards and pole topping lift and all manner of blocks and fairleads and cleats, but no spinnaker or pole. And while we're on the subject of sails, let's hear nominations for best used sail peddler. My first sail of the season was in very light air and the boat moved along quite well in the circumstances, perhaps because of the exotic '70s "zipper foot" feature on the main, but that poor main didn't have a very distinguished shape in light air (not very ditinguished in heavier air either, just less wrinkly). I figured that investing in a nice used mainsail might be just the thing, to go with my used boat and used truck and used bicycle. What a cheapskate, but I get to go sailing.... Chris Campbell SPONSORED LINKS Boating sailing Sailing boat Sailing Boating YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "Cal_Boats" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

Sorry, Chris. In this case "max girth" means greatest lateral width at any point. Send a note to Bacon Sails in Annapolis, and ask if they have any CAL 20 chutes. (There may not be many recent ones around in the Annapolis area, but may be a lot on the left coast). Tell 'em I sent you if you dare. Ask for Garret or Steve. I've sailed with or against both of them. http://www.baconsails.com/ st… [at] baconsails.com Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Campbell Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 12:29 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 20 halyards Husar Charlie wrote: > > Spinnaker max girth (1.8 * 7.33 feet) = 13.2 feet or 13'2.4" Does "girth" equal foot width, or some other mystical number? I wrap a measuring tape around my middle to measure my girth, or used to when the results were less frightful ( a friend sent photos of us getting the Cal 20 masts up, and take my word for it, you're better off NOT knowing what you look like from behind). Chris ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Everything you need is one click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AHchtC/4FxNAA/yQLSAA/A1TolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links

ng… [at] comcast.net wrote: > Chris, I think you know I am a member at Crescent down here in Grosse > Pointe and we have a fleet of some 8-10 Cal 20's that race on Sunday > mornings. I plan to be at the club this Sunday and will ask who may > have a used main available. I could even measure a spin pole length > for you. > What's your budget $50 - 100 ? ? > Nick: That sounds like a good range. If somebody has a DN iceboat sail to toss in, that would be even better (my DN sail dates from 1957 and is made of the class-approved material of the time, nylon! Imagine the worst possible sail material, one that increases draft as the wind pipes up.) For the Cal, something newer and better-shaped would be a big improvement. My sailmaker may be getting tired of stitching seams on the old main every winter. On the other hand, it's a sure-thing revenue stream for the slow months. I don't know the date of that one, but it was by Boston and has one of their nice old green cotton canvas bags. You never heard anything about John & Dorothy Vines or the Seafarer Polaris fleet from 1961 or 62, did you? They owned my other old boat, the Polaris, originally, and were CSYC members. Chris Campbell

Husar Charlie wrote: > Sorry, Chris. In this case "max girth" means greatest lateral width > at any point. I sure don't want to know my girth, measured that way or in any other way. At least I haven't reached the dimensions of Jesse Norman, soprano, whose girth presented certain challenges in some doorways. Asked why she didn't turn sideways to navigate the narrow channels, she said "Honey, I got no sideways." Chris

Husar Charlie wrote: > Send a note to Bacon Sails in Annapolis, and ask if they have any CAL > 20 chutes. (There may not be many recent ones around in the Annapolis > area, but may be a lot on the left coast). Tell 'em I sent you if you > dare. Ask for Garret or Steve. I've sailed with or against both of them. > You didn't say what the race results were recently but I used your name in an e-mail anyway. Be nice to them next time and maybe I'll get a good price. Chris