Cal 20 on Ebay - Current Bid $237.00

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Looked at this as soon as it was up. It is beyond being a wreck. I figure you are looking at roughly a grand to get it in condition again, assuming the sails and running and standing rigging are still useable (which I doubt). The trailer is worth about $350. So let's say you get lucky and put in $1000 and pay $850 for the boat. You might actually sell it (after full reconditioning) in a place where they race these great little boats for as much as $2500. Figuring you are looking at two hundred hours of labor plus tool wear and tear and expendables, you probably can't even break even on this one. It had better be a labor of love. There's a really nice one listed on Yacht World, though. I think this one should be a pass. \Rog Cal 29+ #1 Swiss Navy Cal 2-30 #77 St. Lori's Comet _____ From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of rua84 Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 7:17 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal 20 on Ebay - Current Bid $237.00 Here's another. http://cgi.ebay. <http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/cal-20-sailboat-1967-67-lapworth-jansen-> com/ebaymotors/cal-20-sailboat-1967-67-lapworth-jansen- sail-boat- racer_W0QQitemZ4651911811QQihZ002QQcategoryZ63730QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#eb ayphotohosting

Rog Jones wrote: > Looked at this as soon as it was up. It is beyond being a wreck. > > you probably can't even break even on this one. It had better be a > labor of love. > > > > > > > > I think this one should be a pass. > Well, just for fun, I'll dissent. For one thing, the boat was at $237 when I looked. If you want a nice small boat that's versatile and sturdy, you can't beat a Cal 20. If you are willing to do some work, to invest some sweat equity, this might be an opportunity to sail inexpensively. The real variable is condition. The photos make it look as though the interior had been flooded. I'd wonder how long, and make sure that all the interior joinery hadn't turned to mush. The photos also show a white bottom, which looks like bare gelcoat, and suggests that the boat may have been dry-sailed. Not having to remove decades of old bottom paint would be a plus, and in addition, you could easily barrier-coat to protect against future problems. I'd hate to see one of these fine little boats ignored and cut up for the landfill, if she's capable of restoration. They aren't making 'em anymore, so we need to save the ones that are usable. I have reached that age at which I start griping about the modern world. Nothing bothers me more than the folks who use the price of a 55 foot Bene-Hun-Lina with 6 heads, 8 berths, and gourmet galley to lament the high cost of sailing. For years, people have been happily sailing about in small vessels without microwave ovens or inverters or pressure hot water showers. People like me who fall at the cheapskate end of the spectrum can be sailors by purchasing used boats and getting our hands dirty and muscles tired by improving the boats. While others are turning pages in the boat magazines, salivating over multi-electronic nav stations and calculating how many decades in the future it will be before they can own a boat, I'm out on the Bay, sailing. If the Cal 20 on eBay isn't badly deteriorated in structure, it might be an opportunity for some impecunious sailor to get out on the water and have fun. Now, if I could just figure out why it's sitting backwards on that trailer.... Chris Campbell > > > r > <http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylc=X3oDMTJlaTJubjdiBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE2NDg1Njk1BGdycHNwSWQDMTYwMDA2NTc5MgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNocGYEc3RpbWUDMTE1MDUxMzAxMw--;_ylg=1/SIG=11c73pbt5/**http%3a//groups.yahoo.com/group/Cal_Boats> >

how much is lead worth? >From: Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> >Reply-To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 20 on Ebay - Current Bid $237.00 >Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 09:31:52 -0400 > > > >Rog Jones wrote: > >>Looked at this as soon as it was up. It is beyond being a wreck. >> > >>you probably can't even break even on this one. It had better be a labor >>of love. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>I think this one should be a pass. >> > > > > > > > > > >Well, just for fun, I'll dissent. For one thing, the boat was at $237 when >I looked. If you want a nice small boat that's versatile and sturdy, you >can't beat a Cal 20. If you are willing to do some work, to invest some >sweat equity, this might be an opportunity to sail inexpensively. > >The real variable is condition. The photos make it look as though the >interior had been flooded. I'd wonder how long, and make sure that all the >interior joinery hadn't turned to mush. > >The photos also show a white bottom, which looks like bare gelcoat, and >suggests that the boat may have been dry-sailed. Not having to remove >decades of old bottom paint would be a plus, and in addition, you could >easily barrier-coat to protect against future problems. > >I'd hate to see one of these fine little boats ignored and cut up for the >landfill, if she's capable of restoration. They aren't making 'em anymore, >so we need to save the ones that are usable. > >I have reached that age at which I start griping about the modern world. >Nothing bothers me more than the folks who use the price of a 55 foot >Bene-Hun-Lina with 6 heads, 8 berths, and gourmet galley to lament the high >cost of sailing. For years, people have been happily sailing about in >small vessels without microwave ovens or inverters or pressure hot water >showers. People like me who fall at the cheapskate end of the spectrum can >be sailors by purchasing used boats and getting our hands dirty and muscles >tired by improving the boats. While others are turning pages in the boat >magazines, salivating over multi-electronic nav stations and calculating >how many decades in the future it will be before they can own a boat, I'm >out on the Bay, sailing. > >If the Cal 20 on eBay isn't badly deteriorated in structure, it might be an >opportunity for some impecunious sailor to get out on the water and have >fun. > >Now, if I could just figure out why it's sitting backwards on that >trailer.... > >Chris Campbell > >> >> >>r >><http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylc=X3oDMTJlaTJubjdiBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE2NDg1Njk1BGdycHNwSWQDMTYwMDA2NTc5MgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNocGYEc3RpbWUDMTE1MDUxMzAxMw--;_ylg=1/SIG=11c73pbt5/**http%3a//groups.yahoo.com/group/Cal_Boats> >> >

r good wrote: > how much is lead worth? > No lead in a Cal 20--keel is iron. Dunno scrap price on iron these days, but I did pay for the floor mats for my new truck with the "mixed" scrap metal from my Mom's basement (steel, copper, aluminum). It surprised me how much it was worth. Chris Campbell

Hi, I live not far from where this Cal 20 is located. I have a Cal 20 (hull number 712) so am not interested myself, but, like others, would hate to see this boat junked if it can be restored. If anyone is SERIOUSLY interested, I would volunteer to drive up to Longmont and have a look at the boat. I am not a professional surveyor, but besides my Cal have owned about a dozen fiberglass boats over the years so have some expertise. No charge to do this, BUT I want anyone asking me to check it out to be serious. Bob Mendes Cal 20 "Flood Tide" Denver CO --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Chris Campbell <clcampbell@...> wrote: > > r good wrote: > > > how much is lead worth? > > No lead in a Cal 20--keel is iron. Dunno scrap price on iron these > days, but I did pay for the floor mats for my new truck with the "mixed" > scrap metal from my Mom's basement (steel, copper, aluminum). It > surprised me how much it was worth. > > Chris Campbell >