9 messages2006-06-22 17:02 UTCthrough 2006-06-23 19:47
RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 40 Wins Bermuda Race
Husar Charlie2006-06-22 17:02 UTC
What's this "venerable" crap?
Cheers
Charlie
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Behalf Of Alfred Poor
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 9:15 AM
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Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal 40 Wins Bermuda Race
RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 40 Wins Bermuda Race (all armchair quarterbacks)
Rog Jones2006-06-23 04:02 UTC
Starting with Chas and Alfred -
Hehehe. Isn't it neat that these "venerable" old boats can still do this? I
spoke with Peter several times right after he got the boat to help him make
decisions about the beam (replace it and don't try anything screwy with
carbon fiber). He is a very nice guy and deserves this, because he busted
his ass to rebuild that boat into something wonderful. But even more, we
should all realize that it takes a great team to make this happen. It's nice
to have a good boat, but it still takes that special magic of people.
Party time for the people of the Cal 40 fleet!!! I'd like to start by
mentioning that Wendy Siegal should be invited to the very next Cal 40
party! These are indeed amazing boats, but they attract equally amazing
people. And so do all the Cals from 20 to 48.
\Rog
Cal 29+ #1
Swiss Navy
Cal 2-30 #77
St. Lori's Comet
Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 40 Wins Bermuda Race (all armchair quarterbacks)
Michael Kennedy2006-06-23 04:24 UTC
When did he get it ? I've seen that name in older lists. The Gulf
Stream can humble the rich guys.
Mike Kennedy
Conquest Cal 40 #96
On Jun 22, 2006, at 9:02 PM, Rog Jones wrote:
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> Starting with Chas and Alfred –
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> Hehehe. Isn’t it neat that these “venerable” old boats can still do
> this? I spoke with Peter several times right after he got the boat
> to help him make decisions about the beam (replace it and don’t try
> anything screwy with carbon fiber). He is a very nice guy and
> deserves this, because he busted his ass to rebuild that boat into
> something wonderful. But even more, we should all realize that it
> takes a great team to make this happen. It’s nice to have a good
> boat, but it still takes that special magic of people.
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> Party time for the people of the Cal 40 fleet!!! I’d like to start
> by mentioning that Wendy Siegal should be invited to the very next
> Cal 40 party! These are indeed amazing boats, but they attract
> equally amazing people. And so do all the Cals from 20 to 48.
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> \Rog
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> Cal 29+ #1
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> Swiss Navy
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> Cal 2-30 #77
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> St. Lori's Comet
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RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 40 Wins Bermuda Race(Mike)
Rog Jones2006-06-23 05:02 UTC
Mike -
You may be right. I don't know that he got the boat recently. We had many
nice phone conversations about three years ago.
He is just a nice guy and I think he did what I suggested - replace the beam
with stainless.
Anyway, he was doing this for his kids - sound familiar?
Best thoughts, Mike.
\Rog
Cal 29+ #1
Swiss Navy
Cal 2-30 #77
St. Lori's Comet
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From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Michael Kennedy
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 9:24 PM
To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 40 Wins Bermuda Race (all armchair
quarterbacks)
When did he get it ? I've seen that name in older lists. The Gulf Stream
can humble the rich guys.
Mike Kennedy
Conquest Cal 40 #96
On Jun 22, 2006, at 9:02 PM, Rog Jones wrote:
Starting with Chas and Alfred -
Hehehe. Isn't it neat that these "venerable" old boats can still do this? I
spoke with Peter several times right after he got the boat to help him make
decisions about the beam (replace it and don't try anything screwy with
carbon fiber). He is a very nice guy and deserves this, because he busted
his ass to rebuild that boat into something wonderful. But even more, we
should all realize that it takes a great team to make this happen. It's nice
to have a good boat, but it still takes that special magic of people.
Party time for the people of the Cal 40 fleet!!! I'd like to start by
mentioning that Wendy Siegal should be invited to the very next Cal 40
party! These are indeed amazing boats, but they attract equally amazing
people. And so do all the Cals from 20 to 48.
\Rog
Cal 29+ #1
Swiss Navy
Cal 2-30 #77
St. Lori's Comet
RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 40 Wins (Rog/ Shady Lady)
richard beliveau2006-06-23 14:42 UTC
Rog,
One of our 34's in the area Shady Lady captained and
owned by Steve Honour has done well with her. He used
to race true cruiser with his 170 head sail and clean
everyone's clock including mine. I guess a one two
finish of cal 34's is still good. Well the phrf gods
decided that his ding wasn't enough so they changed
the rule for true cruisers to not allow the big head
sail.
Next Steve decided to enter the spinnaker class mainly
the Naples to Key West race. They have pretty deep
pockets over in Naples and Steve shows up in a 34.
Shady Lady is very functional and well maintained but
the old girl is showing her age a little. Steve pretty
much destroys the competition (3 years now I think)
racing against Farr 40's and the like. These guys are
spending more on sails that he did on his entire boat.
My hats off to you my friend.
I did 2 Clearwater to Key West races with Steve and 1
against him before I moved south captaining for the
Boy Scouts. I miss the racing and the cold brewsky's
post race.
See you on the water.
Rich and Carol
ex 34 owners.
Skippers and Crews (Richard B) (Was RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 40 Wins (Rog/ Shady Lady))
Rog Jones2006-06-23 15:08 UTC
I've had the same kind of butt-kicking in my life, too, Rich.
Used to race Cal 2-30's as part of a class in Hawaii in and around a place
called Keehi Lagoon, before Honolulu International Airport's new runway cut
across about half of the lagoon. There was a guy by the name of Stu Cowan
who had a 2-30 named "Chutzpah" with a Star of David on the spinnaker. A
couple of years later, in 1973 and 1975 he won back-to-back Transpacs in
another Chutzpah, a 35-footer designed by Bill Lee, who later made himself
famous with Ragtime and then again with the Santa Cruz 50s.
Well, anyway, it seemed that every time I'd look aft (I worked the foredeck,
then) on one of those long, fast, trade-wind spinnaker runs back in the day
on Keehi Lagoon, there would be that damned Star of David spinnaker coming
on like a freight train. And the next thing you knew, they'd blow by
everybody in the class and we never would catch up again. It was just great
driving and great teamwork by him and his crew. Infuriating and humiliating,
but wonderful to watch.
I don't know if Stu is even alive anymore, but every time I see a 2-30 with
a chute up, I think of that Star of David and the ass-kickings we received.
\Rog
Cal 29+ #1
Swiss Navy
Cal 2-30 #77
St. Lori's Comet
Re: Skippers and Crews (Richard B) (Was RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 40 Wins (Rog/ Shady Lady))
Michael Kennedy2006-06-23 16:05 UTC
On Jun 23, 2006, at 8:08 AM, Rog Jones wrote:
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> I’ve had the same kind of butt-kicking in my life, too, Rich.
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> Used to race Cal 2-30’s as part of a class in Hawaii in and around
> a place called Keehi Lagoon, before Honolulu International
> Airport’s new runway cut across about half of the lagoon. There was
> a guy by the name of Stu Cowan who had a 2-30 named “Chutzpah” with
> a Star of David on the spinnaker. A couple of years later, in 1973
> and 1975 he won back-to-back Transpacs in another Chutzpah, a 35-
> footer designed by Bill Lee, who later made himself famous with
> Ragtime
Ragtime was designed in New Zealand by a guy named Spencer. It was
raced there as Infidel and brought to California by John Hall who had
raced a Columbia 50 whose name I forget. He lost interest and had it
for sale for $19,000 in about 1970. I talked to my next door
neighbor, with whom I had done a couple of Ensenada races, about
buying it. Instead, 6 guys from Long Beach YC bought it as a
syndicate and I saw it at Catalina not long after as they sailed it
over on a shakedown cruise. That must have been 1971. They entered a
Mexican race the next fall, probably La Paz, which was in odd years,
and when the wind came up off Dana Point, stuff started coming out of
the deck, like winches. They had to drop out and pulled into Dana
Point Harbor to do some repairs and wait for the wind to drop. The
draft was so deep, they couldn't go beyond the harbormaster's office.
They rebuilt a lot of it, putting far more money into it than I could
ever have done, and went to Honolulu in 1973. The rest is history, as
they say. They might have taken it in another Mexican race the winter
of 72-73 but I can't recall.
Lee might well have gotten the idea for Merlin from it as he had not
built anything bigger than the 36 foot Witchcraft.
Mike Kennedy
Conquest Cal 40 # 96
Ragtime and Merlin (Mike K)
Rog Jones2006-06-23 18:33 UTC
Sorry, Mike, I meant Merlin; not Ragtime.
My mistake.
\Rog
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From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Michael Kennedy
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 9:06 AM
To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Skippers and Crews (Richard B) (Was RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 40 Wins
(Rog/ Shady Lady))
On Jun 23, 2006, at 8:08 AM, Rog Jones wrote:
I've had the same kind of butt-kicking in my life, too, Rich.
Used to race Cal 2-30's as part of a class in Hawaii in and around a place
called Keehi Lagoon, before Honolulu International Airport's new runway cut
across about half of the lagoon. There was a guy by the name of Stu Cowan
who had a 2-30 named "Chutzpah" with a Star of David on the spinnaker. A
couple of years later, in 1973 and 1975 he won back-to-back Transpacs in
another Chutzpah, a 35-footer designed by Bill Lee, who later made himself
famous with Ragtime
Ragtime was designed in New Zealand by a guy named Spencer. It was raced
there as Infidel and brought to California by John Hall who had raced a
Columbia 50 whose name I forget. He lost interest and had it for sale for
$19,000 in about 1970. I talked to my next door neighbor, with whom I had
done a couple of Ensenada races, about buying it. Instead, 6 guys from Long
Beach YC bought it as a syndicate and I saw it at Catalina not long after as
they sailed it over on a shakedown cruise. That must have been 1971. They
entered a Mexican race the next fall, probably La Paz, which was in odd
years, and when the wind came up off Dana Point, stuff started coming out of
the deck, like winches. They had to drop out and pulled into Dana Point
Harbor to do some repairs and wait for the wind to drop. The draft was so
deep, they couldn't go beyond the harbormaster's office. They rebuilt a lot
of it, putting far more money into it than I could ever have done, and went
to Honolulu in 1973. The rest is history, as they say. They might have taken
it in another Mexican race the winter of 72-73 but I can't recall.
Lee might well have gotten the idea for Merlin from it as he had not built
anything bigger than the 36 foot Witchcraft.
Mike Kennedy
Conquest Cal 40 # 96
Re: Ragtime and Merlin (Mike K)
mtkennedy12006-06-23 19:47
--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Rog Jones" <rog@...> wrote:
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> Sorry, Mike, I meant Merlin; not Ragtime.
I saw Merlin at the Transpac YC dinner this spring, as well as in Honolulu last summer. I
asked the owner, who was selling it, why the goofy high deckhouse was added.
Apparently, an owner who was a tall Texan added it. It looks odd. Ragtime was there too
as well as Westward. Willard's kids are keeping Westward up beautifully. I love the story of
their rescue in the 1981 Transpac. I think somebody told the story here recently so I won't
repeat it.
I almost bought the Santa Cruz 50 hull # 1, which later became Chasch Mer. It was in
Santa CRuz in that old building Bill had as a shop. I went up to look at it and there was the
bow sticking out.
I got divorced instead. Sailing is cheaper.
Mike Kennedy
Conquest Cal 40 # 96
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