FW: [cal] Repowering My Cal 2-27

Hi, All. A few references to past list sites. Cheers Charlie From: Michael D [mailto:md… [at] yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 10:10 AM To: Cal Subject: [cal] Repowering My Cal 2-27 Hello Listees, Take a look at http://www.sailjazz.com/editorial/feature/99 This is an article that I submitted regarding repowering my Cal 2-27. Best Regards, Michael Duvall s/v Magic, Cal 2-27 Pompano Beach, FL Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com _/)..._/)..._/) Browse Forum: http://list.sailjazz.com/read/?forum=cal Get Help? http://www.sailjazz.com/forums/help/index.htm To unsubscribe send a blank email to le… [at] list.sailjazz.com _/)...._/)...._/)...._/)

Hello all! As a new owner of a 28 Cal with no motor and my background with boats is primarily with jet boats and powerfull motors. Here is my question how fast can a 28 Cal hull go? I'm not looking for manufacturer spec Have a wonderfull day Mike SV Hussie --------------------------------- Groups are talking. We´re listening. Check out the handy changes to Yahoo! Groups.

Mike, There are a number of "rules-of-thumb" that get real close to the amount of horsepower that can realistically be used without being grossly over-powered in a displacement boat. The "rule-of-thumb" that I've found to be close for an inboard engine is - 1 hp per 500 lbs total displacement (+/- 50 pounds -or- +/- 10% of hp rating). Use the moderately higher rating if you plan to motor in areas of swift currents, choppy waters, windier conditions; lower rating if you plan to motor on more protected waters. Do a web search and look for an excel spreadsheet called "propcalc". It will allow you to input a number of known or easily looked up parameters and as part of the calculated output will have recommendations for optimum engine hp and propellor sizing (diam x pitch) for 2 blade and 3 blade props. That should get you into the ballpark - and by tweaking various parameters you can see what, if any, other parameters are affected. TomT Tom Tilley 1982 Cal 9.2 "Lenochka" Hull #53 San Mateo, CA --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min.

Mike, Glad to hear from another Cal 28 owner out there! We bought a Cal 28 sight unseen off of Ebay back in January. We've been having a blast ever since! I'll let the experts do the math on the hull speed. The 6.3 knots mentioned by Charlie is what a web site calculated for me. I "googled" "hull speed" last week. Our GPS said we were going just about 7.5 mph sailing from Oceanside to San Diego. Regarding the motor power. We have a 2004 9.8 Nissan two-stroke engine mounted low on the transom. In a good wind and current, the boat may not have enough power to pull you out of danger's way. We recently turned into the wind in the south bay to adjust sails. The boat refused to maintain its heading into the wind and started to come about. I hit the engine to try and maintain my heading to no avail. The wind was stronger than the motor and we came around notwithstanding application of full power. It was then I thought 15 HP would be nice. In our case, the boat came first. The fine print cautioned against bidding on the boat unless one had a slip. The boat needed to moved out of the Oceanside Marina within two days of the auction. We noticed that language after we won. We checked around San Diego and Oceanside. Chula Vista Marina and the California Yacht Club next door (I think that is the name) both had slips available. It runs about $313.00 per month for a slip at Chula Vista Marina, and I think the price was the same next door. Shelter Island and some of the other places wanted more and had waiting lists. Since our arrival, we discovered the sailing is nicer south of the Coronado Bridge anyway. We can still motor sail to the end of Point Loma if we want the Pacific. Here is my Cal 28 web site, a home on the Internet for all things Cal and Cal 28 (there is a link to this listserv): http://www.stirlinglaw.com/cal28 Welcome. Bruce Stirling Gangfurd Cal 28 - Hull 82 (1965)

Bruce, There is a prevailing south easterly current off the coast of California (driven by the prevailing northwesterly winds) that could add (or subtract) a knot or a little more to your speed over ground. For future reference, this current will affect your progress to and from Catalina Is. Regards, Duane Duane & Lynn Knize Marlyn, 1978 Cal 2-39, #18 Berthed: Emeryville, CA Formerly Berthed: Kona Marina, San Diego At 04:04 PM 8/1/2006, you wrote: >Mike, > >Glad to hear from another Cal 28 owner out there! We bought a Cal 28 >sight unseen off of Ebay back in January. We've been having a blast >ever since! > >I'll let the experts do the math on the hull speed. The 6.3 knots >mentioned by Charlie is what a web site calculated for me. I >"googled" "hull speed" last week. Our GPS said we were going just >about 7.5 mph sailing from Oceanside to San Diego. > >Regarding the motor power. We have a 2004 9.8 Nissan two-stroke >engine mounted low on the transom. In a good wind and current, the >boat may not have enough power to pull you out of danger's way. We >recently turned into the wind in the south bay to adjust sails. The >boat refused to maintain its heading into the wind and started to come >about. I hit the engine to try and maintain my heading to no avail. >The wind was stronger than the motor and we came around >notwithstanding application of full power. It was then I thought 15 >HP would be nice. > >In our case, the boat came first. The fine print cautioned against >bidding on the boat unless one had a slip. The boat needed to moved >out of the Oceanside Marina within two days of the auction. We >noticed that language after we won. > >We checked around San Diego and Oceanside. Chula Vista Marina and the >California Yacht Club next door (I think that is the name) both had >slips available. It runs about $313.00 per month for a slip at Chula >Vista Marina, and I think the price was the same next door. Shelter >Island and some of the other places wanted more and had waiting lists. >Since our arrival, we discovered the sailing is nicer south of the >Coronado Bridge anyway. We can still motor sail to the end of Point >Loma if we want the Pacific. > >Here is my Cal 28 web site, a home on the Internet for all things Cal >and Cal 28 (there is a link to this listserv): > ><http://www.stirlinglaw.com/cal28>http://www.stirlinglaw.com/cal28 > >Welcome. > >Bruce Stirling >Gangfurd >Cal 28 - Hull 82 (1965) > > Duane & Lynn Knize Marlyn, 1978 Cal 2-39, #18 Berthed: Emeryville, CA

Thanks, Duane. I was told it was an easy sail to the south, and a bear coming back north. Debbie and I are the victims of the Varig Airlines bankruptcy. We were to head all the way south to Rio for a school reunion on August 6. Now, we have some time and our hearts set on a boat trip back to Oceanside, and then maybe a hop across to Catalina. Not too sure I want to go after hearing about the deep anchorages, the dragging anchors, etc. We've never anchored. Doesn't sound like the place to learn, either. I've discussed it around the marina, and I read that you throw the anchor off the bow, and then put the motor in reverse and backup until the anchor sets. Additional imput appreciated here. We will have to buy additional chain and rode for the trip. We may just visit Oceanside and enjoy that sail south again. I want to visit Minney's, too. I'll drive there. If the shallowest water is about 90' deep, what amount of chain and rode (are those the same thing?) would the group recommend for a Cal 28? I have two anchors. Still do not know their properly designated sizes. One is visible on the bow in the photos on my Cal 28 site. Someone commented it is a good size anchor. I am not in the know. The second one is about 2/3s the size of the larger one. Am I reasonably set? Duane, in an earlier email you recommended some cruise spots around the San Diego area. What would you recommend with about four days on your hands? We both still get anxious at the sight and feel of big rollers on the Pacific. Sometimes we get nervous just checking the weather reports. I am feeling a bit of stress just remembering some of them now. Bruce Gangfurd Cal 28 - Hull 82 (1965)

Hi, Bruce - You are merely the first available person here, as well as the most available culprit. Please do not take this personally as it is meant to remind the entire List. Here's what I mean by that: Please, if anyone changes the subject of a string of emails, be kind enough to change the subject line (as above). The reason is that if you want information on sailing the southern California coast and on anchoring or mooring at Catalina, you should get it. The question, here, has not one thing to do with "Cal 28 Power," as indicated in the subject line. We want you to get your answers. That is the mission of this community. Most of us scan the subject lines of emails and delete those where we can't offer anything of value. Case in point is this one. If you want an answer, please, please change the subject line. There are many Listees (Listoids? Listettes? Linstinis?) here who can give you great advice on anchoring or mooring at Catalina or on sailing the South Coast. But if they see this subject line, they won't respond with the information that you need, because they will simply delete your email. So, in the future (and this goes for all of us Cal List participants and members), please change the subject line when you change the subject. I leave it to others to answer your questions - we have Catalina cruising veterans who are ovber at the Island almost every weekend. Catalina is a great place to go and you don't have to have huge anchoring experience. I'm sure others will explain why. Thanks! \Rog Cal 29+ #1 Swiss Navy Cal 2-30 #77 St. Lori's Comet _____ From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Stirling Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 7:03 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 28 Power Thanks, Duane. I was told it was an easy sail to the south, and a bear coming back north. Debbie and I are the victims of the Varig Airlines bankruptcy. We were to head all the way south to Rio for a school reunion on August 6. Now, we have some time and our hearts set on a boat trip back to Oceanside, and then maybe a hop across to Catalina. Not too sure I want to go after hearing about the deep anchorages, the dragging anchors, etc. We've never anchored. Doesn't sound like the place to learn, either. I've discussed it around the marina, and I read that you throw the anchor off the bow, and then put the motor in reverse and backup until the anchor sets. Additional imput appreciated here. We will have to buy additional chain and rode for the trip. We may just visit Oceanside and enjoy that sail south again. I want to visit Minney's <http://www.minneysyachtsurplus.com/surplus.html> , too. I'll drive there. If the shallowest water is about 90' deep, what amount of chain and rode (are those the same thing?) would the group recommend for a Cal 28? I have two anchors. Still do not know their properly designated sizes. One is visible on the bow <http://www.stirlinglaw.com/cal28/P1010033.JPG> in the photos on my Cal 28 site <http://www.stirlinglaw.com/cal28> . Someone commented it is a good size anchor. I am not in the know. The second one is about 2/3s the size of the larger one. Am I reasonably set? Duane, in an earlier email you recommended some cruise spots around the San Diego area. What would you recommend with about four days on your hands? We both still get anxious at the sight and feel of big rollers on the Pacific. Sometimes we get nervous just checking the weather reports. I am feeling a bit of stress just remembering some of them now. Bruce Gangfurd Cal 28 - Hull 82 (1965)

On Aug 1, 2006, at 5:01 PM, Duane Knize wrote: Yahoo is incredibly frustrating to reply but; This is why you check your knotmeter by going on a course both ways, to cancel current effect. You will probably find your speed decreased by some amount going the other way. Subtract the difference. If you get 7.5 on GPS one way and 5.5 going the opposite course, your boat speed is 6.5. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > Bruce, > > There is a prevailing south easterly current off the coast of > California (driven by the prevailing northwesterly winds) that > could add (or subtract) a knot or a little more to your speed over > ground. > For future reference, this current will affect your progress to and > from Catalina Is. > Regards, > Duane > > Duane & Lynn Knize > Marlyn, 1978 Cal 2-39, #18 > Berthed: Emeryville, CA > Formerly Berthed: Kona Marina, San Diego > > At 04:04 PM 8/1/2006, you wrote: > >> Mike, >> >> Glad to hear from another Cal 28 owner out there! We bought a Cal 28 >> sight unseen off of Ebay back in January. We've been having a blast >> ever since! >> >> I'll let the experts do the math on the hull speed. The 6.3 knots >> mentioned by Charlie is what a web site calculated for me. I >> "googled" "hull speed" last week. Our GPS said we were going just >> about 7.5 mph sailing from Oceanside to San Diego. >> >

Rog, No problema. In my defense, I did change the subject line from Cal 2-27 to Cal 28 Power. I enjoy reading all posts on all topics. I am soaking it all in. This listserv is my escape from judges and clients, who sometimes find me the first available culprit, too. It's a role I am comfortable with. Bruce Gangfurd Cal 28 - Hull 82 (1965) From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Rog Jones Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 7:47 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: SoCal Sailing/Anchoring and Mooring at Catalina (Was RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 28 Power)( Bruce Stirling) Hi, Bruce - You are merely the first available person here, as well as the most available culprit. Please do not take this personally as it is meant to remind the entire List. Here's what I mean by that: Please, if anyone changes the subject of a string of emails, be kind enough to change the subject line (as above). Recent Activity a.. 4New Members b.. 1New Photos Visit Your Group SPONSORED LINKS a.. Boating sailing b.. Sailing boat c.. Sailing d.. Boating Yahoo! News Adventure Beat Travel the world with Richard Bangs Y! Toolbar Get it Free! easy 1-click access to your groups. Yahoo! Groups Start a group in 3 easy steps. Connect with others. .

Okay, Fin, Mike Kennedy and the rest of you SoCal sailors, don't let me down, here. Do you want me to put in my two bits about how easy a sail is to Catalina and how easy it is to get a mooring (during the slower days of the week) and about how easy some of the anchorages are? It would be best to have you folks who go over there almost every weekend advise Bruce (see below), don't you think? \Rog Cal 29+ #1 Swiss Navy Cal 2-30 #77 St. Lori's Comet From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Stirling Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 7:03 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 28 Power I was told it was an easy sail to the south, and a bear coming back north. Debbie and I are the victims of the Varig Airlines bankruptcy. We were to head all the way south to Rio for a school reunion on August 6. Now, we have some time and our hearts set on a boat trip back to Oceanside, and then maybe a hop across to Catalina. Not too sure I want to go after hearing about the deep anchorages, the dragging anchors, etc. We've never anchored. Doesn't sound like the place to learn, either. I've discussed it around the marina, and I read that you throw the anchor off the bow, and then put the motor in reverse and backup until the anchor sets. Additional imput appreciated here. We will have to buy additional chain and rode for the trip. We may just visit Oceanside and enjoy that sail south again. I want to visit Minney's <http://www.minneysyachtsurplus.com/surplus.html> , too. I'll drive there. If the shallowest water is about 90' deep, what amount of chain and rode (are those the same thing?) would the group recommend for a Cal 28? I have two anchors. Still do not know their properly designated sizes. One is visible on the bow <http://www.stirlinglaw.com/cal28/P1010033.JPG> in the photos on my Cal 28 site <http://www.stirlinglaw.com/cal28> . Someone commented it is a good size anchor. I am not in the know. The second one is about 2/3s the size of the larger one. Am I reasonably set? Duane, in an earlier email you recommended some cruise spots around the San Diego area. What would you recommend with about four days on your hands? We both still get anxious at the sight and feel of big rollers on the Pacific. Sometimes we get nervous just checking the weather reports. I am feeling a bit of stress just remembering some of them now. Bruce Gangfurd Cal 28 - Hull 82 (1965)

I have trouble with replying on Yahoo so here goes. I would not recommend anchoring at Catalina until you are pretty comfortable with going there. The exception is Cat Harbor, which is shallow and has good holding. I have some nightmare stories about anchoring my Cal 25 at the Isthmus many years ago. It is deep and not good holding ground. However, if you avoid weekends in August and Avalon in August altogether, it is pretty easy to pick up a mooring. The tricks about moorings are simple. There is the wand at the bow end of the tackle. Power in very slowly to pick it up, pull up the small line until you get the big eye. Cleat that off securely and hold onto the "sand line" (it had lead weights on it to keep it down) that connects the bow eye with the stern eye. Hook the stern eye onto a cleat and drop the sand line overboard as it will stink in an hour or two. Be very careful to keep the sand line out of your prop. Best to put the prop in neutral as soon as you get the bow eye on deck. That means timing the pickup right to stop as you pick it up. If you overshoot a bit, reverse the prop for a moment or two. No more than that. I have a story I may have posted here of a friend who pulled the shaft strut out of the bottom of his Ericson 29 doing that. He got the sand line in the prop and wound up with a one foot square hole in the bottom. Once you are securely tied on, I always run a line through the eye to hook it to the cleat on each end and keep the mooring lines off the deck. They will stink after a while. The boat will often start to swing with the bow only hooked on. The best way to control that is to get the sand line aft as quickly as possible. Then you have some leverage. A big mistake is to let the bow loop come off the cleat (all these bits of advice are based on personal experience) so I have someone put a foot over the cleat to hold it on until we are securely hooked up. If you are going to anchor at Catalina, it is nice to have a windlass. There are tricks to that too and my method is to power toward the spot you want the bow anchor, drop it and back off under power in reverse, setting the anchor a few times by cleating the line and digging it in. I tie the two anchor lines together and back past the knot until I am getting close to the stern anchor spot. Then I drop the stern anchor and put the boat in forward to motor back up to the bow anchor. If there is no breeze, that can be done by hand and will set it all the better. In a breeze, and with some practice under your belt, reverse the process, dropping the stern anchor first and continuing to power into the breeze until you get to the bow anchor spot. Drop it and then back down, usually without power letting the wind do it. You can set that bow anchor a few times by cleating it and letting it dig in. You set the stern anchor the same way when motoring into the wind after dropping it. Cleat it a couple of times and dig it in. When you get to the knot, you're anchored with maximum scope. All of this may puzzle non-Californians as there is a necessity to anchor bow and stern at Catalina. If you have a windlass and all chain you can anchor a ways off shore with one hook but it gets very deep very quickly. We were racing one time in thick fog trying to round the East End of Catalina. We were totally blind and could hear machinery ahead. It was about 2 AM. I put the fathometer on and the depth was over 100 fathoms. We tacked when we hit 90 fathoms and the noise faded. After a while, we thought we were clear of the East End and tacked back. The machinery noise grew and the depth got to 90 again. We did this a couple of times and finally the fog lifted. We were about 200 feet offshore between Avalon and the East End. We were hearing the gravel quarry generator. The depth was 90 fathoms 200 feet offshore. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 On Aug 2, 2006, at 7:47 AM, Rog Jones wrote: > > Okay, Fin, Mike Kennedy and the rest of you SoCal sailors, don’t > let me down, here. Do you want me to put in my two bits about how > easy a sail is to Catalina and how easy it is to get a mooring > (during the slower days of the week) and about how easy some of the > anchorages are? It would be best to have you folks who go over > there almost every weekend advise Bruce (see below), don’t you think? . > >

If you can't get a mooring in Avalon, do not take one or anchor in Descanso or Hamilton Cove. Motor up to Whites Landing (sand 50-80') Long Point, good anchorage in W-NW Wind Pirates Cove, if you want to get a nights rest. You will have to anchor. I try and use to use about 6:1 bow scope, and a stern hook. Just make sure you back down on that bow hook until you are sure there is no slipping. Be careful of too much scope in shallow waters. You may find your line chaffing all night on a rock and cut you adrift in the middle of the night. That story for another day! Mark Pelican Cal 2-29 San Pedro (Cabrillo Beach) ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Kennedy To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 8:42 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] SoCal Sailing/ Catalina (Fin Mike K SoCal Listees) I have trouble with replying on Yahoo so here goes. I would not recommend anchoring at Catalina until you are pretty comfortable with going there. The exception is Cat Harbor, which is shallow and has good holding. I have some nightmare stories about anchoring my Cal 25 at the Isthmus many years ago. It is deep and not good holding ground. However, if you avoid weekends in August and Avalon in August altogether, it is pretty easy to pick up a mooring. The tricks about moorings are simple. There is the wand at the bow end of the tackle. Power in very slowly to pick it up, pull up the small line until you get the big eye. Cleat that off securely and hold onto the "sand line" (it had lead weights on it to keep it down) that connects the bow eye with the stern eye. Hook the stern eye onto a cleat and drop the sand line overboard as it will stink in an hour or two. Be very careful to keep the sand line out of your prop. Best to put the prop in neutral as soon as you get the bow eye on deck. That means timing the pickup right to stop as you pick it up. If you overshoot a bit, reverse the prop for a moment or two. No more than that. I have a story I may have posted here of a friend who pulled the shaft strut out of the bottom of his Ericson 29 doing that. He got the sand line in the prop and wound up with a one foot square hole in the bottom. Once you are securely tied on, I always run a line through the eye to hook it to the cleat on each end and keep the mooring lines off the deck. They will stink after a while. The boat will often start to swing with the bow only hooked on. The best way to control that is to get the sand line aft as quickly as possible. Then you have some leverage. A big mistake is to let the bow loop come off the cleat (all these bits of advice are based on personal experience) so I have someone put a foot over the cleat to hold it on until we are securely hooked up. If you are going to anchor at Catalina, it is nice to have a windlass. There are tricks to that too and my method is to power toward the spot you want the bow anchor, drop it and back off under power in reverse, setting the anchor a few times by cleating the line and digging it in. I tie the two anchor lines together and back past the knot until I am getting close to the stern anchor spot. Then I drop the stern anchor and put the boat in forward to motor back up to the bow anchor. If there is no breeze, that can be done by hand and will set it all the better. In a breeze, and with some practice under your belt, reverse the process, dropping the stern anchor first and continuing to power into the breeze until you get to the bow anchor spot. Drop it and then back down, usually without power letting the wind do it. You can set that bow anchor a few times by cleating it and letting it dig in. You set the stern anchor the same way when motoring into the wind after dropping it. Cleat it a couple of times and dig it in. When you get to the knot, you're anchored with maximum scope. All of this may puzzle non-Californians as there is a necessity to anchor bow and stern at Catalina. If you have a windlass and all chain you can anchor a ways off shore with one hook but it gets very deep very quickly. We were racing one time in thick fog trying to round the East End of Catalina. We were totally blind and could hear machinery ahead. It was about 2 AM. I put the fathometer on and the depth was over 100 fathoms. We tacked when we hit 90 fathoms and the noise faded. After a while, we thought we were clear of the East End and tacked back. The machinery noise grew and the depth got to 90 again. We did this a couple of times and finally the fog lifted. We were about 200 feet offshore between Avalon and the East End. We were hearing the gravel quarry generator. The depth was 90 fathoms 200 feet offshore. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 On Aug 2, 2006, at 7:47 AM, Rog Jones wrote: Okay, Fin, Mike Kennedy and the rest of you SoCal sailors, don’t let me down, here. Do you want me to put in my two bits about how easy a sail is to Catalina and how easy it is to get a mooring (during the slower days of the week) and about how easy some of the anchorages are? It would be best to have you folks who go over there almost every weekend advise Bruce (see below), don’t you think? .

I've attached some information about Catalina, the Two-Harbors area, and some instructions on "how to pick up a mooring". It's way easier and safer than anchoring. I'd like to put in a "pitch" for Howlands. Most services are available three miles away at the Isthmus (front side of Two Harbors), it's much quieter, warmer (less wind), and you're more likely to be surrounded by sail boats than power boats. I've been going to Howlands many weekends of most summers since 1958. There is a nice beach on the west side which is leased by the Los Angeles Yacht Club, and with a little advanced notice, I'd be glad to extend guest usage to any "listee", who's willing to abide by the club's rules (mostly courtesy, quiet, and pick up your trash). There are moorings available at Howlands and many of the other coves most summer days mid-week (Sunday afternoon through Thursday evening). Other than holiday weekends, there are almost always moorings available at Howlands from early summer through early August. I arrange mooring assignments for Howlands each Wednesday during the summmer, so I generally know how crowded it will be. I've also attached some links to weather sites. E-mail me if you have any questions. Fin Beven Cal 40 #24 Radiant San Pedro, CA http://www.sailorschoice.com/catisland/isthmusnavigation.htm<http://www.sailorschoice.com/catisland/isthmusnavigation.htm> http://www.sailorschoice.com/catisland/catpickupmooring.htm<http://www.sailorschoice.com/catisland/catpickupmooring.htm> http://www.catalina.com/yachting.html<http://www.catalina.com/yachting.html> http://www.buoyweather.com/wxnav6.jsp?region=SD&program=Maps<http://www.buoyweather.com/wxnav6.jsp?region=SD&program=Maps> http://www.sailflow.com/windandwhere.iws?regionID=129<http://www.sailflow.com/windandwhere.iws?regionID=129> ----- Original Message ----- From: Rog Jones<mailto:ro… [at] nvsailing.org> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 7:47 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] SoCal Sailing/ Catalina (Fin Mike K SoCal Listees) Okay, Fin, Mike Kennedy and the rest of you SoCal sailors, don't let me down, here. Do you want me to put in my two bits about how easy a sail is to Catalina and how easy it is to get a mooring (during the slower days of the week) and about how easy some of the anchorages are? It would be best to have you folks who go over there almost every weekend advise Bruce (see below), don't you think? \Rog Cal 29+ #1 Swiss Navy Cal 2-30 #77 St. Lori's Comet From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Stirling Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 7:03 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 28 Power I was told it was an easy sail to the south, and a bear coming back north. Debbie and I are the victims of the Varig Airlines bankruptcy. We were to head all the way south to Rio for a school reunion on August 6. Now, we have some time and our hearts set on a boat trip back to Oceanside, and then maybe a hop across to Catalina. Not too sure I want to go after hearing about the deep anchorages, the dragging anchors, etc. We've never anchored. Doesn't sound like the place to learn, either. I've discussed it around the marina, and I read that you throw the anchor off the bow, and then put the motor in reverse and backup until the anchor sets. Additional imput appreciated here. We will have to buy additional chain and rode for the trip. We may just visit Oceanside and enjoy that sail south again. I want to visit Minney's<http://www.minneysyachtsurplus.com/surplus.html>, too. I'll drive there. If the shallowest water is about 90' deep, what amount of chain and rode (are those the same thing?) would the group recommend for a Cal 28? I have two anchors. Still do not know their properly designated sizes. One is visible on the bow<http://www.stirlinglaw.com/cal28/P1010033.JPG> in the photos on my Cal 28 site<http://www.stirlinglaw.com/cal28>. Someone commented it is a good size anchor. I am not in the know. The second one is about 2/3s the size of the larger one. Am I reasonably set? Duane, in an earlier email you recommended some cruise spots around the San Diego area. What would you recommend with about four days on your hands? We both still get anxious at the sight and feel of big rollers on the Pacific. Sometimes we get nervous just checking the weather reports. I am feeling a bit of stress just remembering some of them now. Bruce Gangfurd Cal 28 - Hull 82 (1965)

Thanks, you guys! This is what makes this list so great. \Rog Cal 29+ #1 Swiss Navy Cal 2-30 #77 St. Lori's Comet P.S. I actually like Descanso a lot. Got some great memories from there. Hehehe.

Bruce, I second the recommendations to get a mooring at Catalina. You should have no trouble if you don't arrive Friday or Saturday. A local SD itinerary might include a trip to Bonita Cove at Mission Bay, maybe 5-6 hours from CV, where you anchor in 15 feet -- soft mud (your -- what looks to be a 20# -- Danforth should be more than adequate). If conditions are somewhat normal, the next day you might close reach on a port tack all the way to Oceanside (6 hours) and pick up a guest slip. The next day follow this with more reaching up to Dana Point where you can also get a guest slip. The trip back on day 4 is down hill all the way from Dana Point. Have fun, Duane Duane & Lynn Knize Marlyn, 1978 Cal 2-39, #18 Berthed: Emeryville, CA At 07:03 PM 8/1/2006, you wrote: >Thanks, Duane. > >I was told it was an easy sail to the south, and a bear coming back >north. Debbie and I are the victims of the Varig Airlines >bankruptcy. We were to head all the way south to Rio for a school >reunion on August 6. Now, we have some time and our hearts set on a >boat trip back to Oceanside, and then maybe a hop across to >Catalina. Not too sure I want to go after hearing about the deep >anchorages, the dragging anchors, etc. We've never >anchored. Doesn't sound like the place to learn, either. I've >discussed it around the marina, and I read that you throw the anchor >off the bow, and then put the motor in reverse and backup until the >anchor sets. Additional imput appreciated here. We will have to >buy additional chain and rode for the trip. We may just visit >Oceanside and enjoy that sail south again. I want to visit ><http://www.minneysyachtsurplus.com/surplus.html>Minney's, >too. I'll drive there. > >If the shallowest water is about 90' deep, what amount of chain and >rode (are those the same thing?) would the group recommend for a >Cal 28? I have two anchors. Still do not know their properly >designated sizes. One is ><http://www.stirlinglaw.com/cal28/P1010033.JPG>visible on the bow in >the photos on my <http://www.stirlinglaw.com/cal28>Cal 28 >site. Someone commented it is a good size anchor. I am not in the >know. The second one is about 2/3s the size of the larger one. Am >I reasonably set? > >Duane, in an earlier email you recommended some cruise spots around >the San Diego area. What would you recommend with about four days >on your hands? We both still get anxious at the sight and feel of >big rollers on the Pacific. Sometimes we get nervous just checking >the weather reports. I am feeling a bit of stress just remembering >some of them now. > >Bruce >Gangfurd >Cal 28 - Hull 82 (1965) > > Duane & Lynn Knize Marlyn, 1978 Cal 2-39, #18 Berthed: Emeryville, CA

Thank you all for writing. Sounds "interesting." Just like I'd read in some of your earlier posts. We may not be ready, but for other reasons. I thank Fin for the links. I immediately came across a mention that boats get boarded and dye placed in the heads to make sure there are no discharges in the waters of Catalina. Our problem is that while the boat specs claim something about a bladder discharge tank, we never found one. Behind the head are clamped-off hoses. We do not use the thing, but I imagine we would not be allowed to stay absent a tank. This probably sounds pretty basic to the rest of you. I pulled all cushions and covers in search of a tank. I found the old inboard gas tank, the fresh water tank under the v-berth, and the ice chest in the galley. If there is a bladder out there somewhere, I never found it. I found some seized seacocks for the thru-hulls that drain the cockpit. Another bunch of issues, judging by earlier posted comments. So much for Catalina. How much work is involved in putting in a head tank, and where would it be located? There is a spot behind the head that looks like the obvious location. I hope there is no tank. I cannot imagine wanting to work on an old one. Thanks to all again. Bruce Gangfurd Cal 28 - Hull 82 (1965) http://www.stirlinglaw.com/cal28

So far as I know, the "dye" thing is only used at Avalon (and possibly the coves very close to Avalon). Fin. ----- Original Message ----- From: rua84<mailto:br… [at] stirlinglaw.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 2:10 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: SoCal Sailing/ Catalina (Fin Mike K SoCal Listees) Thank you all for writing. Sounds "interesting." Just like I'd read in some of your earlier posts. We may not be ready, but for other reasons. I thank Fin for the links. I immediately came across a mention that boats get boarded and dye placed in the heads to make sure there are no discharges in the waters of Catalina. Our problem is that while the boat specs claim something about a bladder discharge tank, we never found one. Behind the head are clamped-off hoses. We do not use the thing, but I imagine we would not be allowed to stay absent a tank. This probably sounds pretty basic to the rest of you. I pulled all cushions and covers in search of a tank. I found the old inboard gas tank, the fresh water tank under the v-berth, and the ice chest in the galley. If there is a bladder out there somewhere, I never found it. I found some seized seacocks for the thru-hulls that drain the cockpit. Another bunch of issues, judging by earlier posted comments. So much for Catalina. How much work is involved in putting in a head tank, and where would it be located? There is a spot behind the head that looks like the obvious location. I hope there is no tank. I cannot imagine wanting to work on an old one. Thanks to all again. Bruce Gangfurd Cal 28 - Hull 82 (1965) http://www.stirlinglaw.com/cal28<http://www.stirlinglaw.com/cal28> Yahoo! Groups Links

--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Fin Beven" <finbeven@...> wrote: > > So far as I know, the "dye" thing is only used at Avalon (and possibly the coves very close to Avalon). I haven't been to Catalina in 5 years so Fin is the expert here. I was only aware of this policy at Avalon. > > Fin. > snip > Thank you all for writing. Sounds "interesting." Just like I'd read > in some of your earlier posts. We may not be ready, but for other > reasons. > > I thank Fin for the links. I immediately came across a mention that > boats get boarded and dye placed in the heads to make sure there are > no discharges in the waters of Catalina. Our problem is that while > the boat specs claim something about a bladder discharge tank, we > never found one. Behind the head are clamped-off hoses. We do not > use the thing, but I imagine we would not be allowed to stay absent a > tank. Again, this has always been true of Avalon. Avalon is closer to San Diego so you may want to make arrangement to meet the requirements. I had an old bladder style holding tank when I bought the Cal 40. I threw it out as an early chore. I've had rigid tanks on boats for many years and they are not that hard to rig. I'd suggest one that can be pumped overboard on the way home. Pumpout stations may be inconvenient and may not even be operating. Look around for a spot and then compare the plastic tanks at West Marine or at motor home sites for a tank the right size and shape. You need to replace those thru-hulls anyway and might as well rig one to pump out the tank. I've had a three-way valve and a whale gusher pump hooked to the thru-hull. The head outflow goes to a three-way and one arm goes to the thru-hull directly. The second goes to the tank and then the tank has a second outlet that goes to the gusher pump. It also needs a vent and they have filters for the vents although not everybody uses them. I'm in process of finihsing the plumbing of mine on the Cal 40. > > This probably sounds pretty basic to the rest of you. I pulled all > cushions and covers in search of a tank. I found the old inboard gas > tank, the fresh water tank under the v-berth, and the ice chest in the > galley. If there is a bladder out there somewhere, I never found > it. I found some seized seacocks for the thru-hulls that drain the > cockpit. Another bunch of issues, judging by earlier posted comments. Yup. > > So much for Catalina. How much work is involved in putting in a head > tank, and where would it be located? Ideally close to the head. Some go under the sink or behind it. There are lots of shapes that may fit an irregular spot. > There is a spot behind the head > that looks like the obvious location. I hope there is no tank. I > cannot imagine wanting to work on an old one. > > Thanks to all again. Here's one site: http://www.tank-depot.com/product.aspx?id=163 Ronco is another one with hundreds of shapes. Good luck. MIke Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > Bruce > Gangfurd > Cal 28 - Hull 82 (1965) > http://www.stirlinglaw.com/cal28<http://www.stirlinglaw.com/cal28> > >

Bruce, You don't actually need a holding tank at Avalon; you just need to keep the head discharge seacock closed while at the mooring and use the facilities ashore. Regards, Duane Duane & Lynn Knize Marlyn, 1978 Cal 2-39, #18 Berthed: Emeryville, CA At 02:10 PM 8/2/2006, you wrote: >Thank you all for writing. Sounds "interesting." Just like I'd read >in some of your earlier posts. We may not be ready, but for other >reasons. > >I thank Fin for the links. I immediately came across a mention that >boats get boarded and dye placed in the heads to make sure there are >no discharges in the waters of Catalina. Our problem is that while >the boat specs claim something about a bladder discharge tank, we >never found one. Behind the head are clamped-off hoses. We do not >use the thing, but I imagine we would not be allowed to stay absent a >tank. > >This probably sounds pretty basic to the rest of you. I pulled all >cushions and covers in search of a tank. I found the old inboard gas >tank, the fresh water tank under the v-berth, and the ice chest in the >galley. If there is a bladder out there somewhere, I never found >it. I found some seized seacocks for the thru-hulls that drain the >cockpit. Another bunch of issues, judging by earlier posted comments. > >So much for Catalina. How much work is involved in putting in a head >tank, and where would it be located? There is a spot behind the head >that looks like the obvious location. I hope there is no tank. I >cannot imagine wanting to work on an old one. > >Thanks to all again. > >Bruce >Gangfurd >Cal 28 - Hull 82 (1965) ><http://www.stirlinglaw.com/cal28>http://www.stirlinglaw.com/cal28 > > Duane & Lynn Knize Marlyn, 1978 Cal 2-39, #18 Berthed: Emeryville, CA

I would check on that before going. I seem to recall that you had to have a holding tank but it's been a while. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 #96 On Aug 2, 2006, at 4:48 PM, Duane Knize wrote: > Bruce, > > You don't actually need a holding tank at Avalon; you just need to > keep the head discharge seacock closed while at the mooring and use > the facilities ashore. > > Regards, > Duane > > Duane & Lynn Knize > Marlyn, 1978 Cal 2-39, #18 > Berthed: Emeryville, CA > > > At 02:10 PM 8/2/2006, you wrote: > >> Thank you all for writing. Sounds "interesting." Just like I'd read >> in some of your earlier posts. We may not be ready, but for other >> reasons. >> >> I thank Fin for the links. I immediately came across a mention that >> boats get boarded and dye placed in the heads to make sure there are >> no discharges in the waters of Catalina. Our problem is that while >> the boat specs claim something about a bladder discharge tank, we >> never found one. Behind the head are clamped-off hoses. We do not >> use the thing, but I imagine we would not be allowed to stay absent a >> tank. >> >> This probably sounds pretty basic to the rest of you. I pulled all >> cushions and covers in search of a tank. I found the old inboard gas >> tank, the fresh water tank under the v-berth, and the ice chest in >> the >> galley. If there is a bladder out there somewhere, I never found >> it. I found some seized seacocks for the thru-hulls that drain the >> cockpit. Another bunch of issues, judging by earlier posted comments. >> >> So much for Catalina. How much work is involved in putting in a head >> tank, and where would it be located? There is a spot behind the head >> that looks like the obvious location. I hope there is no tank. I >> cannot imagine wanting to work on an old one. >> >> Thanks to all again. >> >> Bruce >> Gangfurd >> Cal 28 - Hull 82 (1965) >> http://www.stirlinglaw.com/cal28 >> > Duane & Lynn Knize > Marlyn, 1978 Cal 2-39, #18 > Berthed: Emeryville, CA > >

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Hi Mike, I have a complete set of cushions from the Erickson 35 I parted out, dark blue, clean, very good condition. Send me your desired size and I will measure what I have. Cheap $ + shipping from Pensacola Tom Vandiver --- bluerocket1100 <bl… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > I am looking for cushions for interior and cockpit, > For Cal 28 but larger boat cushions would be fine to > > Thanks > Mike > bl… [at] yahoo.com > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million > songs.Try it free.

Hello Tom: Since you've cross-pollinated by brand already, I'll toss in the following request: if Mike doesn't go for the cockpit cushions, I'm interested in them for a 1980 Sabre 34. Of course I don't offhand know the measurements, but if you list what you've got available after first "dibs," I'll check. Thanks, too, for the great learn-to-sail story! Jon Myers sometime Cal 29 Bay Breeze crew Sabre 34 Mk1 #094 Melusine Swan Creek, MD From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Tom Vandiver Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 8:09 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] cushions Hi Mike, I have a complete set of cushions from the Erickson 35 I parted out, dark blue, clean, very good condition. Send me your desired size and I will measure what I have. Cheap $ + shipping from Pensacola Tom Vandiver --- bluerocket1100 < bluerocket1100@ <mailto:bluerocket1100%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com> wrote: > I am looking for cushions for interior and cockpit, > For Cal 28 but larger boat cushions would be fine to > > Thanks > Mike > bluerocket1100@ <mailto:bluerocket1100%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million > songs.Try it free. ----------------------------------------- ******************************************************************* ***** This e-mail and any of its attachments may contain Exelon Corporation proprietary information, which is privileged, confidential, or subject to copyright belonging to the Exelon Corporation family of Companies. This e-mail is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying, or action taken in relation to the contents of and attachments to this e-mail is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and permanently delete the original and any copy of this e-mail and any printout. Thank You. ******************************************************************* *****

The "dye thing" is only at Avalon. But even if you only have a bucket they will let you stay. I avoid Avalon unless I have a guest who has never been there and then move to Two Harbors. As to the anchoring deal I tend to be pretty conservative. There are as many opinions as there are boats but here goes. A good rule of thumb is one pound of anchor per foot of boat, minimum. A lot of places sell chain-rode packages. I have yet to see one with more than 15' of chain. I use 40' chain and 300' rode and have two of these. One on a 25 pound Danforth and the other on a 17 pound Fortress. They replaced the 15 pound unknown and 6' chain, 150' that came with my Cal 2-27. I keep that aboard too. If you don't have a sounder any small piece of metal or rock and a ball of twine will tell you where the bottom is, or isn't! Keep in mind the tide when you pick your spot. Lay out your hopefully marked rode for the depth you are in (5/1 or better) and lower, do not toss, the anchor and pay out as you slowly back down. If you snub off early the angle may be too steep and the anchor will not get a chance to set. When you think it is set, it's cocktail time. Take some bearings, leave it in reverse a bit above idle and relax. It's one thing to anchor and stay aboard and another to be out of sight of the boat. My worst anchoring experience was Ensenada where a 45 pound CQR and all chain would not hold a Hunter 46 in mild conditions. The bottom is like soup. rua84 <br… [at] stirlinglaw.com> wrote: Thank you all for writing. Sounds "interesting." Just like I'd read in some of your earlier posts. We may not be ready, but for other reasons. I thank Fin for the links. I immediately came across a mention that boats get boarded and dye placed in the heads to make sure there are no discharges in the waters of Catalina. Our problem is that while the boat specs claim something about a bladder discharge tank, we never found one. Behind the head are clamped-off hoses. We do not use the thing, but I imagine we would not be allowed to stay absent a tank. This probably sounds pretty basic to the rest of you. I pulled all cushions and covers in search of a tank. I found the old inboard gas tank, the fresh water tank under the v-berth, and the ice chest in the galley. If there is a bladder out there somewhere, I never found it. I found some seized seacocks for the thru-hulls that drain the cockpit. Another bunch of issues, judging by earlier posted comments. So much for Catalina. How much work is involved in putting in a head tank, and where would it be located? There is a spot behind the head that looks like the obvious location. I hope there is no tank. I cannot imagine wanting to work on an old one. Thanks to all again. Bruce Gangfurd Cal 28 - Hull 82 (1965) http://www.stirlinglaw.com/cal28 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta.

Tom if the cushions haven't been sold I am interested. Mike Robinson Leilani Cal 36 Pt Richmond, CA From: Tom Vandiver <bs… [at] yahoo.com> Reply-To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] cushions Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 05:09:07 -0700 (PDT) Hi Mike, I have a complete set of cushions from the Erickson 35 I parted out, dark blue, clean, very good condition. Send me your desired size and I will measure what I have. Cheap $ + shipping from Pensacola Tom Vandiver --- bluerocket1100 <bl… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > I am looking for cushions for interior and cockpit, > For Cal 28 but larger boat cushions would be fine to > > Thanks > Mike > bl… [at] yahoo.com > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million > songs.Try it free. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cal_Boats/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Hi Mike, They have not been sold yet. I still have not taken the time to measure and take photos. Will try to do so today and send to all who requested. I ship engines all over North America, fairly inexpensive, eg. Perkins 4-108 to north Carolina for $257, heavy but small foot print. Cushions may be expensive? Tom --- Michael Robinson <mi… [at] hotmail.com> wrote: --------------------------------- Tom if the cushions haven't been sold I am interested. Mike Robinson Leilani Cal 36 Pt Richmond, CA --------------------------------- From: Tom Vandiver <bs… [at] yahoo.com> Reply-To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] cushions Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 05:09:07 -0700 (PDT) Hi Mike, I have a complete set of cushions from the Erickson 35 I parted out, dark blue, clean, very good condition. Send me your desired size and I will measure what I have. Cheap $ + shipping from Pensacola Tom Vandiver --- bluerocket1100 <bl… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > I am looking for cushions for interior and cockpit, > For Cal 28 but larger boat cushions would be fine to > > Thanks > Mike > bl… [at] yahoo.com > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million > songs.Try it free. Yahoo! Groups Links

Michael Kennedy wrote: > > > On Aug 1, 2006, at 5:01 PM, Duane Knize wrote: > > Yahoo is incredibly frustrating to reply but; > > This is why you check your knotmeter by going on a course both ways, > to cancel current effect. You will probably find your speed decreased > by some amount going the other way. Subtract the difference. If you > get 7.5 on GPS one way and 5.5 going the opposite course, your boat > speed is 6.5. > I'll add some comments about hull speed and measured speed. I sail in the Great Lakes, where we have no appreciable tides and not much current, usually. I regularly attain higher GPS speeds in my Cal 20 than the simple formula would suggest. I wonder if the formula is based on older hull forms that had different bow-wave-building characteristics, or if I'm just climbing the first part of that power vs speed graph line that starts climbing asymptotically? Same goes for my other boat, an older Seafarer, by the way. I've got a mechanical Sumlog on that boat too, but it's inaccurate due to placement on one side of the keel (fast on one tack, slow on the other). Chris Campbell

Why not remove the foam from the jacket roll it up and tape it! therefore decreasing the package size. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Vandiver To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 2:37 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] cushions (Tom) Hi Mike, They have not been sold yet. I still have not taken the time to measure and take photos. Will try to do so today and send to all who requested. I ship engines all over North America, fairly inexpensive, eg. Perkins 4-108 to north Carolina for $257, heavy but small foot print. Cushions may be expensive? Tom --- Michael Robinson <mi… [at] hotmail.com> wrote: --------------------------------- Tom if the cushions haven't been sold I am interested. Mike Robinson Leilani Cal 36 Pt Richmond, CA --------------------------------- From: Tom Vandiver <bs… [at] yahoo.com> Reply-To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] cushions Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 05:09:07 -0700 (PDT) Hi Mike, I have a complete set of cushions from the Erickson 35 I parted out, dark blue, clean, very good condition. Send me your desired size and I will measure what I have. Cheap $ + shipping from Pensacola Tom Vandiver --- bluerocket1100 <bl… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > I am looking for cushions for interior and cockpit, > For Cal 28 but larger boat cushions would be fine to > > Thanks > Mike > bl… [at] yahoo.com > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million > songs.Try it free. Yahoo! Groups Links

The cost of replacement foam is very high I for a piece 24x74x3 is $200+ gor a 28ft boat needing interior and exterior padding (spendy) --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta.

--- masconsult <ma… [at] cox.net> wrote: > Why not remove the foam from the jacket roll it up > and tape it! therefore decreasing the package size. > Mark Hi Mark, Great idea! Why didn't I think of that? Tom > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tom Vandiver > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 2:37 AM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] cushions (Tom) > > > Hi Mike, > > They have not been sold yet. I still have not > taken > the time to measure and take photos. Will try to > do so > today and send to all who requested. I ship > engines > all over North America, fairly inexpensive, eg. > Perkins 4-108 to north Carolina for $257, heavy > but > small foot print. Cushions may be expensive? > > Tom > > --- Michael Robinson <mi… [at] hotmail.com> > wrote: > > --------------------------------- > > > Tom if the cushions haven't been sold I am > interested. > > Mike Robinson > Leilani > Cal 36 > Pt Richmond, CA > > --------------------------------- > From: Tom Vandiver <bs… [at] yahoo.com> > Reply-To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] cushions > Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 05:09:07 -0700 (PDT) > Hi Mike, > > I have a complete set of cushions from the > Erickson 35 > I parted out, dark blue, clean, very good > condition. > Send me your desired size and I will measure what > I > have. Cheap $ + shipping from Pensacola > > Tom Vandiver > > --- bluerocket1100 <bl… [at] yahoo.com> > wrote: > > > I am looking for cushions for interior and > cockpit, > > For Cal 28 but larger boat cushions would be > fine to > > > > Thanks > > Mike > > bl… [at] yahoo.com > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million > > songs.Try it free. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Hi Mike, I have a set of interior cushions for a Cal-34 mk 1 for sale. They fit the pilot berths and measure 77x33. Dark blue in excellent condition. Email me off list if you're interested. I have pictures. Woody Cal-34 San Diego Mike wrote: I am looking for cushions for interior and cockpit, For Cal 28 but larger boat cushions would be fine to Thanks Mike bl… [at] yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free.