Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal 29 sails for sale and SailCare

If he chages his mind, I am looking for sails to fit my 29. I missed the thread, I was at the Santa Cruz get together. Randy CAL 2-29 Out Patient Channel Islands Ca [ro… [at] nvsailing.org] wrote: They're yours, Bruce. Please contact me off list at ro… [at] nvsailing.org and we can work out the details. I look forward to hearing from you. \Rog Cal 29+ #1 Swiss Navy Cal 2-30 #77 St. Lori's Comet _____ From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of rua84 Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 7:27 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal 29 sails for sale and SailCare Rog, If I can get these on a Cal 28, I'll take them if someone didn't beat me to them. Let me know. Bruce Stirling --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com, "Rog Jones" <rog@...> wrote: > > If somebody wants them, $200 plus shipping takes the entire lot. > > > > Also, for those who don't know about SailCare, most of these old sails can > be brought back to new or near new condition by these guys. I didn't believe > until we sent a couple of sails from the kids program back there. They did > an awesome job. > > > > \Rog > > > > Cal 29+ #1 > > Swiss Navy > > > > Cal 2-30 #77 > > St. Lori's Comet >

Hi, Randy - How was it out thereunder the full moon with all those Calmaniacs? Maybe if Bruce can't get them to fit on his boat, he'll put you on a list to sell them to you.? Bruce? There are a lot of good sails there. And if you sent them to SailCare, you'd have ones that would easily be good for another ten or so years. \Rog Cal 29+ #1 Swiss Navy Cal 2-30 #77 St. Lori's Comet _____ From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Randy Alcorn Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 1:03 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal 29 sails for sale and SailCare If he chages his mind, I am looking for sails to fit my 29. I missed the thread, I was at the Santa Cruz get together. Randy CAL 2-29 Out Patient Channel Islands Ca [rog@nvsailing. <mailto:rog%40nvsailing.org> org] wrote: They're yours, Bruce. Please contact me off list at rog@nvsailing. <mailto:rog%40nvsailing.org> org and we can work out the details. I look forward to hearing from you. \Rog Cal 29+ #1 Swiss Navy Cal 2-30 #77 St. Lori's Comet From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com [mailto:Cal_Boats@yahoogrou <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com] On Behalf Of rua84 Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 7:27 AM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal 29 sails for sale and SailCare Rog, If I can get these on a Cal 28, I'll take them if someone didn't beat me to them. Let me know. Bruce Stirling --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com, "Rog Jones" <rog@...> wrote: > > If somebody wants them, $200 plus shipping takes the entire lot. > > > > Also, for those who don't know about SailCare, most of these old sails can > be brought back to new or near new condition by these guys. I didn't believe > until we sent a couple of sails from the kids program back there. They did > an awesome job. > > > > \Rog > > > > Cal 29+ #1 > > Swiss Navy > > > > Cal 2-30 #77 > > St. Lori's Comet >

Randy, I was quick on the draw this morning. Let me see what Rog sends me. If I can't use them, I'll let you be the first to know. Without decent sails, I'll never be able to rendevous with the rest of you. Sounds like a good time was had by all, too. Bruce --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Rog Jones" <rog@...> wrote: > > Hi, Randy - > > > > How was it out thereunder the full moon with all those Calmaniacs? Maybe if > Bruce can't get them to fit on his boat, he'll put you on a list to sell > them to you.? Bruce? > > > > There are a lot of good sails there. And if you sent them to SailCare, you'd > have ones that would easily be good for another ten or so years. > > > > \Rog > > > > Cal 29+ #1 > > Swiss Navy > > > > Cal 2-30 #77 > > St. Lori's Comet > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf > Of Randy Alcorn > Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 1:03 PM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal 29 sails for sale and SailCare > > > > If he chages his mind, I am looking for sails to fit my 29. > > I missed the thread, I was at the Santa Cruz get together. > > Randy > CAL 2-29 > Out Patient > Channel Islands Ca > > [rog@nvsailing. <mailto:rog%40nvsailing.org> org] wrote: > They're yours, Bruce. > > Please contact me off list at rog@nvsailing. <mailto:rog%40nvsailing.org> > org and we can work out the > details. > > I look forward to hearing from you. > > \Rog > > Cal 29+ #1 > > Swiss Navy > > Cal 2-30 #77 > > St. Lori's Comet > > _____ > > From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com > [mailto:Cal_Boats@yahoogrou <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com] On > Behalf > Of rua84 > Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 7:27 AM > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal 29 sails for sale and SailCare > > Rog, > > If I can get these on a Cal 28, I'll take them if someone didn't beat > me to them. Let me know. > > Bruce Stirling > > --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com, "Rog > Jones" <rog@> wrote: > > > > If somebody wants them, $200 plus shipping takes the entire lot. > > > > > > > > Also, for those who don't know about SailCare, most of these old > sails can > > be brought back to new or near new condition by these guys. I didn't > believe > > until we sent a couple of sails from the kids program back there. > They did > > an awesome job. > > > > > > > > \Rog > > > > > > > > Cal 29+ #1 > > > > Swiss Navy > > > > > > > > Cal 2-30 #77 > > > > St. Lori's Comet > > >

Rog Jones wrote: > > > > > There are a lot of good sails there. And if you sent them to SailCare, > you'd have ones that would easily be good for another ten or so years. > > > > . > > I'm curious about the work of Sailcare. I remember a thread on this list or another one a couple years back. Some people thought that Sailcare sent back like-new sails. Others thought that what you got back were blown-out, misshapen sails that were clean and crinkly. The crinkle is the plastic sizing or whatever that keeps the sailcloth stable and maintains the sail's shape, isn't it? And when the original breaks down, the sailcloth can stretch on the diagonal, getting baggy and with the draft moving where you don't want it. Does Sailcare have a method for re-shaping old sails before they add the crinkle? Mind you, I've got one sail in my entire inventory, a new genoa on my other boat, that is crinkly. I have another, the "new" used mainsail for the Cal 20, that has a bit of crinkle left. The rest of mine are soft and comfy and would make fine t-shirts, but as a budget sailor, I keep using them and get the occasional re-stitching done at the sailmaker's. So this whole Sailcare subject is a matter of interest. Chris Campbell Cal 20 #1220

SailCare can recut sails if you want them flat again. They don't do it for free. Like any other business, they charge for the various services they perform. However, when they do recut the sails as they did for our kids program's Catalina sails, they are just like new. Yes, they'll stretch again over the years, but by then it's probably time to consider new sails. On the other hand, if you want new sails, you can always order them from the various sailmakers. Just figure that you'll pay about two to three times what you'll pay SailCare. All the best. \Rog Cal 29+ #1 Swiss Navy Cal 2-30 #77 St. Lori's Comet _____ From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Campbell Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 1:10 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal 29 sails for sale and SailCare(Randy and Bruce) Rog Jones wrote: There are a lot of good sails there. And if you sent them to SailCare, you'd have ones that would easily be good for another ten or so years. . <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=16485695/grpspId=1600065792/msgI d=3180/stime=1158008134/nc1=3848618/nc2=2/nc3=3> I'm curious about the work of Sailcare. I remember a thread on this list or another one a couple years back. Some people thought that Sailcare sent back like-new sails. Others thought that what you got back were blown-out, misshapen sails that were clean and crinkly. The crinkle is the plastic sizing or whatever that keeps the sailcloth stable and maintains the sail's shape, isn't it? And when the original breaks down, the sailcloth can stretch on the diagonal, getting baggy and with the draft moving where you don't want it. Does Sailcare have a method for re-shaping old sails before they add the crinkle? Mind you, I've got one sail in my entire inventory, a new genoa on my other boat, that is crinkly. I have another, the "new" used mainsail for the Cal 20, that has a bit of crinkle left. The rest of mine are soft and comfy and would make fine t-shirts, but as a budget sailor, I keep using them and get the occasional re-stitching done at the sailmaker's. So this whole Sailcare subject is a matter of interest. Chris Campbell Cal 20 #1220

My belief is that a old sail would not be able to be brought back as good as new. I think it is structurally impossible to take a Dacron sail and add resin to it to improve it. Its like putting a Band-Aid on it. If the sail is bagged or stretched that can not be fixed. Dacron is made up of fibers that are woven together. The warp threads are the ones that go length wise in the cloth and the fill is woven in at right angles then they are immersed in resin the resins are absorbed into the yarns and the amount of resin determines the firmness of the sailcloth. Once the sail is stretched there is no way of bringing the yarns back into their original shape. Some of the sails I have seen redone the resin was peeling off and the sail was brittle I could actually put my thumb through the sail. Unless Dacron sails are abused I have seen sails last 15 years or better so if someone gets that much time out of their sails they don't really cost that much. If this has worked for you great especially for the kids program most don't have big budgets. They could probably use some one to initiate some type of replacement program to replace sails after so many years. Dave Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Rog Jones To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 5:10 PM Subject: SailCare (was RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal 29 sails for sale and SailCare)(Chris C) SailCare can recut sails if you want them flat again. They don't do it for free. Like any other business, they charge for the various services they perform. However, when they do recut the sails as they did for our kids program's Catalina sails, they are just like new. Yes, they'll stretch again over the years, but by then it's probably time to consider new sails. On the other hand, if you want new sails, you can always order them from the various sailmakers. Just figure that you'll pay about two to three times what you'll pay SailCare. All the best. \Rog Cal 29+ #1 Swiss Navy Cal 2-30 #77 St. Lori's Comet ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Campbell Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 1:10 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal 29 sails for sale and SailCare(Randy and Bruce) Rog Jones wrote: There are a lot of good sails there. And if you sent them to SailCare, you'd have ones that would easily be good for another ten or so years. . I'm curious about the work of Sailcare. I remember a thread on this list or another one a couple years back. Some people thought that Sailcare sent back like-new sails. Others thought that what you got back were blown-out, misshapen sails that were clean and crinkly. The crinkle is the plastic sizing or whatever that keeps the sailcloth stable and maintains the sail's shape, isn't it? And when the original breaks down, the sailcloth can stretch on the diagonal, getting baggy and with the draft moving where you don't want it. Does Sailcare have a method for re-shaping old sails before they add the crinkle? Mind you, I've got one sail in my entire inventory, a new genoa on my other boat, that is crinkly. I have another, the "new" used mainsail for the Cal 20, that has a bit of crinkle left. The rest of mine are soft and comfy and would make fine t-shirts, but as a budget sailor, I keep using them and get the occasional re-stitching done at the sailmaker's. So this whole Sailcare subject is a matter of interest. Chris Campbell Cal 20 #1220

Hi, Dave - Experience is what it is. I agree that the sails will not have the resiliency of new ones, but we are able to double their useful life for a hundred dollars per sail (winter special prices). That is a very good trade-off. We replace all our sails when they need it, though. Our youth sailing program, being a non-profit in the middle of the desert, is surprisingly well-funded. We have been attracting people like Roy Disney to Reno for the past five years and it has helped us create a very vibrant organization. Unlike some yacht club programs, we reach out to the entire community and to all income levels and this allows us to obtain grant money from large foundations as well as from many, many kind individuals. We have kids from very wealthy families sailing with kids from well below the poverty line. We are always seeking more donations, though! On the other hand, we are scrupulous about how that money is managed and spent. So we don't replace sails if they can be made as good as new by SailCare. This fall, we are beginning our Jr. High and High School traveling teams. New CFJs and new everything. We intend to keep those boats in very competitive condition and will replace their sails and some of the running rigging each year. Anyone wishing to make a donation is invited to contact me for more information. I'd like to publicly thank George Elwers for a very nice donation honoring Bill Lapworth. Thanks, George. Generosity like this, especially when unsolicited, is really meaningful. We are out here to change kids lives through sailing. We build leaders and team players. We engender focus and hard work and praise the achievement that most certainly results. Help like yours makes a real difference for a lot of kids. All the best! \Rog Cal 29+ #1 Swiss Navy Cal 2-30 #77 St. Lori's Comet _____ From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave and Cathy Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 4:38 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: SailCare (was RE: [Cal_Boats] Re[Dave] My belief is that a old sail would not be able to be brought back as good as new. I think it is structurally impossible to take a Dacron sail and add resin to it to improve it. Its like putting a Band-Aid on it. If the sail is bagged or stretched that can not be fixed. Dacron is made up of fibers that are woven together. The warp threads are the ones that go length wise in the cloth and the fill is woven in at right angles then they are immersed in resin the resins are absorbed into the yarns and the amount of resin determines the firmness of the sailcloth. Once the sail is stretched there is no way of bringing the yarns back into their original shape. Some of the sails I have seen redone the resin was peeling off and the sail was brittle I could actually put my thumb through the sail. Unless Dacron sails are abused I have seen sails last 15 years or better so if someone gets that much time out of their sails they don't really cost that much. If this has worked for you great especially for the kids program most don't have big budgets. They could probably use some one to initiate some type of replacement program to replace sails after so many years. Dave Brown From: Rog Jones <mailto:ro… [at] nvsailing.org> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> ps.com Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 5:10 PM Subject: SailCare (was RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal 29 sails for sale and SailCare)(Chris C) SailCare can recut sails if you want them flat again. They don't do it for free. Like any other business, they charge for the various services they perform. However, when they do recut the sails as they did for our kids program's Catalina sails, they are just like new. Yes, they'll stretch again over the years, but by then it's probably time to consider new sails. On the other hand, if you want new sails, you can always order them from the various sailmakers. Just figure that you'll pay about two to three times what you'll pay SailCare. All the best. \Rog Cal 29+ #1 Swiss Navy Cal 2-30 #77 St. Lori's Comet _____ From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Campbell Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 1:10 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal 29 sails for sale and SailCare(Randy and Bruce) Rog Jones wrote: There are a lot of good sails there. And if you sent them to SailCare, you'd have ones that would easily be good for another ten or so years. . <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=16485695/grpspId=1600065792/msgI d=3180/stime=1158008134/nc1=3848618/nc2=2/nc3=3> I'm curious about the work of Sailcare. I remember a thread on this list or another one a couple years back. Some people thought that Sailcare sent back like-new sails. Others thought that what you got back were blown-out, misshapen sails that were clean and crinkly. The crinkle is the plastic sizing or whatever that keeps the sailcloth stable and maintains the sail's shape, isn't it? And when the original breaks down, the sailcloth can stretch on the diagonal, getting baggy and with the draft moving where you don't want it. Does Sailcare have a method for re-shaping old sails before they add the crinkle? Mind you, I've got one sail in my entire inventory, a new genoa on my other boat, that is crinkly. I have another, the "new" used mainsail for the Cal 20, that has a bit of crinkle left. The rest of mine are soft and comfy and would make fine t-shirts, but as a budget sailor, I keep using them and get the occasional re-stitching done at the sailmaker's. So this whole Sailcare subject is a matter of interest. Chris Campbell Cal 20 #1220