teak rails

Shroyer wrote: Hi Cal sailors' - many of us have a teak deck rail covering the leaky hull to deck seam. The teak rail will need to be removed to recaulk or fiberglass the seam. The big question is after the leak repair do we spend time and money restoring the teak or use an alternative maintenance free material. Does one even exist? Kennedy wrote: I went through this for months and decided to keep the teak. To replace the rails and use the Dancing Bear alternative, I think you have to seal the joint and that turns out to be a big job. It was more expensive for me to do that than take off the old rails and seal all the holes and the joint with epoxy, then replace new rails and bed them with 5200. I looked at aluminum toe rails and they are very expensive without the labor being included. Shroyer wrote : > I was fortunate to see the "teak free" Dancing Bear, a Cal 40 owned > by Mark > Schrader. A picture of Dancing Bear is at > /www.transpacificyc.org/php-entry-sys/tp05-yacht_bio.php? > yacht_id=129. Mark > has replaced the teak with black King star board and it looks great, > requires zero maintenance and easily works with wood working > tools. King > starboard prices, and a good description of it's uses, can be found at > /www.wps.on.ca/plastic4boats/starboard.htm Mark also replaced the > teak > cabin rails with SS rails. > After much soul searching I have decided to give up my slavery to > oiled teak > and go with black King starboard for the deck rail. I thank Mark > for leading the way. I hope this information can be of use to some > of you out there. Kennedy wrote: I talked to Mark and thought hard about it. I still think the teak is cheaper than the alternative and I really researched it. It helps to have a carpenter who has done the job on other 40s. The guy I'm going to use did Fin Bevan's rails and has refinished but not rebedded those on Psyche. That is a project being planned. The rails look good but the joint leaks. My teak job will be about $5,000. The glass joint job would have required a haul-out and was close to $ 15,000 with everything. I also changed to steel grab rails and they are available at Jamestown Distributers for a couple of hundred dollars for all four rails, two five foot and two two foot. MIke Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 96 > > Keith Shroyer > Cal 40 Kismet. >

One of our original List members, Tom Leonard, removed all the teak from his Cal 31 and replaced it with the "trex" lumber used for outdoor decks. His claim was the material would mill as easy as real wood, and the grey color imitated aged teak. There used to be photos in one of the FTP sites, but the file transfers may have lost them over the transfers. I remember from the photos, a great looking alternative for the maintenance free trim. Pricing was well below Teak or Starboard materials as well. John Raxter Cal 33 _____ From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Kennedy Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 3:05 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] teak rails Shroyer wrote: Hi Cal sailors' - many of us have a teak deck rail covering the leaky hull to deck seam. The teak rail will need to be removed to recaulk or fiberglass the seam. The big question is after the leak repair do we spend time and money restoring the teak or use an alternative maintenance free material. Does one even exist? Kennedy wrote: I went through this for months and decided to keep the teak. To replace the rails and use the Dancing Bear alternative, I think you have to seal the joint and that turns out to be a big job. It was more expensive for me to do that than take off the old rails and seal all the holes and the joint with epoxy, then replace new rails and bed them with 5200. I looked at aluminum toe rails and they are very expensive without the labor being included. Shroyer wrote : I was fortunate to see the "teak free" Dancing Bear, a Cal 40 owned by Mark Schrader. A picture of Dancing Bear is at /www.transpacificyc.org/php-entry-sys/tp05-yacht_bio.php?yacht_id=129. Mark has replaced the teak with black King star board and it looks great, requires zero maintenance and easily works with wood working tools. King starboard prices, and a good description of it's uses, can be found at /www.wps.on.ca/plastic4boats/starboard.htm Mark also replaced the teak cabin rails with SS rails. After much soul searching I have decided to give up my slavery to oiled teak and go with black King starboard for the deck rail. I thank Mark for leading the way. I hope this information can be of use to some of you out there. Kennedy wrote: I talked to Mark and thought hard about it. I still think the teak is cheaper than the alternative and I really researched it. It helps to have a carpenter who has done the job on other 40s. The guy I'm going to use did Fin Bevan's rails and has refinished but not rebedded those on Psyche. That is a project being planned. The rails look good but the joint leaks. My teak job will be about $5,000. The glass joint job would have required a haul-out and was close to $ 15,000 with everything. I also changed to steel grab rails and they are available at Jamestown Distributers for a couple of hundred dollars for all four rails, two five foot and two two foot. MIke Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 96 Keith Shroyer Cal 40 Kismet.