Weather Channel

National Forecast Major wind storm to batter the Northeast 8:14 p.m. ET 10/27/2006 A powerful storm will rock the Northeast this weekend with damaging wind and heavy rain. Heavy sigh.... Cheers Charlie Annapolis P.S. Maybe I should invite Timmo out for a cruise.

Charlie - Only invite Timm if the winds are over 60 and it is really, really cold, rainy and you want to knock some of the slime off of the bottom of Chicken Hawk at night by broaching her over on her side with the chute up. Timm's at his best in those conditions. \Rog Cal 29+ #1 Swiss Navy Cal 2-30 #77 St. Lori's Comet _____ From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Husar Charlie Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 8:24 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Weather Channel National Forecast Major wind storm to batter the Northeast 8:14 p.m. ET 10/27/2006 A powerful storm will rock the Northeast this weekend with damaging wind and heavy rain. Heavy sigh.... Cheers Charlie Annapolis P.S. Maybe I should invite Timmo out for a cruise.

Dude, I'm there! Cowabunga! dEmO From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rog Jones Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 8:56 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Weather Channel (Chas and Timm) Charlie - Only invite Timm if the winds are over 60 and it is really, really cold, rainy and you want to knock some of the slime off of the bottom of Chicken Hawk at night by broaching her over on her side with the chute up. Timm's at his best in those conditions. \Rog Cal 29+ #1 Swiss Navy Cal 2-30 #77 St. Lori's Comet From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Husar Charlie Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 8:24 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Weather Channel National Forecast Major wind storm to batter the Northeast 8:14 p.m. ET 10/27/2006 A powerful storm will rock the Northeast this weekend with damaging wind and heavy rain. Heavy sigh.... Cheers Charlie Annapolis P.S. Maybe I should invite Timmo out for a cruise.

With my fresh bottom job, and my brand new hand rendered 7-layer boot stripe, and with the falling water temps, I may not need Timm's services for at least a few more weeks. But rest assured, Timm, I'll be in touch as soon as the gale warnings get posted. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ti… [at] ch2m.com Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 12:34 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Weather Channel (Chas and Timm) Dude, I'm there! Cowabunga! dEmO From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rog Jones Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 8:56 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Weather Channel (Chas and Timm) Charlie - Only invite Timm if the winds are over 60 and it is really, really cold, rainy and you want to knock some of the slime off of the bottom of Chicken Hawk at night by broaching her over on her side with the chute up. Timm's at his best in those conditions. \Rog Cal 29+ #1 Swiss Navy Cal 2-30 #77 St. Lori's Comet From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Husar Charlie Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 8:24 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Weather Channel National Forecast Major wind storm to batter the Northeast 8:14 p.m. ET 10/27/2006 A powerful storm will rock the Northeast this weekend with damaging wind and heavy rain. Heavy sigh.... Cheers Charlie Annapolis P.S. Maybe I should invite Timmo out for a cruise.

I've moved on from my Cal40 but I know the depth of experience here and I'm hoping someone can advise me. I bought a CS34 from the Detroit area which lived in fresh water until it got to me in CT. It has VC-17 bottom paint which I'm not sure works in salt water. The hull has vinylester resin in the outer layers (under the gelcoat). My understanding is that vinylester is a pretty good moisture barrier. 1) Anyone know if VC-17 works in salt water? I'm about to have it hauled for the winter and I'll see how it performed, but it hasn't been in for long since it got here so I don't know how telling that will be. 2) Anyone know if I should be barrier coating with epoxy, even though the hull is vinylester? Foolish or wise to spend the money on that? Thanks all. --Kevin CS34 "Solutions" ex-Cal40 "Tumble Home"

TIZ!!! VC-17 in my opinion is a racing bottom, with about a 6 month life. Fast, but requires diving to keep clean. It usually wipes off after one season. Anti fouling is marginal. We used it every season in SF and I still use it for our river ocean series. My Cal 9.2 has a Vinyl Ester fared bottom, which appears to absorb water, and blister, if this is the same product it is green in color, and is fairly soft, after 5 years. If I had to do it over again, I'd pick another product, as I fear that I'll have to remove the Vinyl Ester, and start all over from scratch. IMHO, maybe my yard put this on "wrong" but so far I'm not impressed, with annual blistering game continues. dEmO From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Tisdall Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 1:29 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Barrier Coat on Vinylester hull? I've moved on from my Cal40 but I know the depth of experience here and I'm hoping someone can advise me. I bought a CS34 from the Detroit area which lived in fresh water until it got to me in CT. It has VC-17 bottom paint which I'm not sure works in salt water. The hull has vinylester resin in the outer layers (under the gelcoat). My understanding is that vinylester is a pretty good moisture barrier. 1) Anyone know if VC-17 works in salt water? I'm about to have it hauled for the winter and I'll see how it performed, but it hasn't been in for long since it got here so I don't know how telling that will be. 2) Anyone know if I should be barrier coating with epoxy, even though the hull is vinylester? Foolish or wise to spend the money on that? Thanks all. --Kevin CS34 "Solutions" ex-Cal40 "Tumble Home"

To remember Roy Roger's horse. What do you call a carrot on Halloween? Trigger treat. Just couldn't help myself. Have a happy one! \Rog Cal 29+ #1 Swiss Navy Cal 2-30 #77 St. Lori's Comet

Timm, Good to hear from you! Maybe you're using vinylast??!? The vinylester (as I understand it) is the resin used to laminate the first couple of layup layers of the hull, after the gelcoat goes into the mold. And vinylester resin is more waterproof than polyester. It's not a bottom coating, at least in my situation. This boat has a great bottom but if the barrier is needed I'll take the vc-17 off and do the whole barrier/new paint thing this winter. I used e-paint on the C40 which didn't work out. Several folks around here (including me) tried Pettit ViVid white this spring and it seems to hold up well so far. I'll probably do that if I change over completely. ....Or I could just re-do the vc17 if the anti-fouling is enough. You moved to Seattle area I recall?? Hope all's well. --Kevin -- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, <timmothy.lessley@...> wrote: > > TIZ!!! > > VC-17 in my opinion is a racing bottom, with about a 6 month life. Fast, > but requires diving > to keep clean. It usually wipes off after one season. Anti fouling is > marginal. We used it every > season in SF and I still use it for our river ocean series. > > My Cal 9.2 has a Vinyl Ester fared bottom, which appears to absorb > water, and blister, if this > is the same product it is green in color, and is fairly soft, after 5 > years. If I had to do it over again, > > I'd pick another product, as I fear that I'll have to remove the Vinyl > Ester, and start all over from scratch. > > IMHO, maybe my yard put this on "wrong" but so far I'm not impressed, > with annual blistering game continues. > > dEmO > > ________________________________ > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Kevin Tisdall > Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 1:29 PM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Barrier Coat on Vinylester hull? > > > > I've moved on from my Cal40 but I know the depth of experience here > and I'm hoping someone can advise me. > > I bought a CS34 from the Detroit area which lived in fresh water > until it got to me in CT. It has VC-17 bottom paint which I'm not > sure works in salt water. > > The hull has vinylester resin in the outer layers (under the > gelcoat). My understanding is that vinylester is a pretty good > moisture barrier. > > 1) Anyone know if VC-17 works in salt water? I'm about to have it > hauled for the winter and I'll see how it performed, but it hasn't > been in for long since it got here so I don't know how telling that > will be. > > 2) Anyone know if I should be barrier coating with epoxy, even though > the hull is vinylester? Foolish or wise to spend the money on that? > > Thanks all. > > --Kevin > CS34 "Solutions" > ex-Cal40 "Tumble Home" >

--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Kevin Tisdall" <tiz_1@...> wrote: > > Timm, > > Good to hear from you! > > Maybe you're using vinylast??!? > > The vinylester (as I understand it) is the resin used to laminate the > first couple of layup layers of the hull, after the gelcoat goes into > the mold. And vinylester resin is more waterproof than polyester. > > It's not a bottom coating, at least in my situation. > > This boat has a great bottom but if the barrier is needed I'll take > the vc-17 off and do the whole barrier/new paint thing this winter. > I used e-paint on the C40 which didn't work out. Several folks > around here (including me) tried Pettit ViVid white this spring and > it seems to hold up well so far. I'll probably do that if I change > over completely. I put Vivid white on Conquest when we launched it because Practical Sailor said it was the only white bottom paint that doesn't yellow. I do find that it is pretty rough. It wasn't put on as a racing bottom as we knew the boat would sit another year while it was fitted out but it is REALLY rough. I talked to the Pettit guys at the Annapolis show. They said it was never intended for fiberglass. It was formulated for aluminum hulls but has worked well with glass. They gave some suggestions about applying it next time I do the bottom, especially about using very low knap rollers to roll it on. We'll see how that goes in the spring when I do the bottom. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96