Through-hulls.... (was) Purchase of Cal 33-2 and question for owners

In a message dated 11/16/2006 11:32:20 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, tr… [at] sbcglobal.net writes: John, Thanks for the heads-up on the vinyl thru hulls. I'll take a hard look at them and likely replace them if not already done. How did you get the old ones out? I haven't replaced thru hulls on any boat thus far and only imagine the worst--the old adhesive ripping chunks out of the gel coat as I try to remove them. Thanks, Travis **************************** hello; not meaning to butt in here, but i have had a good bit of experience replacing through-hulls on many boats, and especially with getting those old plastic white ones out. in fact, when ever i inspect a hull that is more than a few years old, one of the things i am sure to look at first is the plastic through-hulls. i most always find at least one cracked one. and that is all it takes for me to say; replace them all! i learned long ago that as goes one, so goes them all. the last boat i inspected for someone was a relatively new 28' BayLiner Sun Deck. it just happened to be for my Sister, and She had no problem with replacing all the plastic through-hulls at my word. but Her Husband (land-lubber) was not convinced; fiver being a chick and all. so i just picked up a short piece of 2 X 8 wood lying in the back yard and pushed along the side of the hull for bow to stern; liturally pealing off every one of the damned white plastic through-hulls as i went (the 1-1/2" poopy-tube one slowed me down just a bit). after that, it wasn't hard to get Karen's Hubby to help me put in new SS through-hulls. though when i went to the Main WestMarine store in Seattle to find them, they weren't on the shelf to my utter armament. and in asking the head Manager, his comment was; why ever would you want to use SS. just use bronze or plastic! i ask him how long he had been in the busniss, and said that "Christensen Yachts" and the "Tolly Craft" uses SS on their big Yachts. and "bayLiner" uses plastic on theirs. witch one do you want? and then i turned and walked out. quit oddly enough, i found the SS though-hulls in a local "Boating US" store. they had them all on the shelf, and cheaper than bronze too! and their Manager had no problem understanding why i wanted SS type. the one other thing i would very strongly suggest is double clamping every hose at both ends that runs to a through-hull. ground all through-hulls bellow the water-line. and use "vacuum-brake" on every over-board pump discharge. and install a back-flow preventer's on sinks close to the water-line in sailboats. or drain them into a small pain/tank and pump that to sea through a vented-loop/vacuum-brake. fiver, Master of The "BB-54" one of the famous Cal-28 flush-decks out of Sierra-5, Papa Hotel (in days gone by) now resting outside my shop Federal Way, Wa. (built like a Battleship; sails like a Sub......)

Thanks 5er for changing subject line! Fortunately the below water line thru-hull are bronze, or at least mine are. It's the tank vents, shower sump, bilge discharge, and scuppers where they used nylon fittings. The Marlon thru hulls are about as pricey as bronze but usually include a barbed hose fitting with enough depth for double clamps. The only time these will be under water would be when the stern squats while under power. I used a painter's 5-1 to break the seal on the outside (take the nut off the inside first), then it was easy to drive the old fitting thru with a small persuader. There is not much room to swing a big whammer in the lazarette. I am sure any thin blade putty knife will work. Be sure the blade goes all the way thru the handle. Most putty knifes are not designed to be driven with a hammer. Fortunately the originals were installed on the nice shinny Gel coat, so the caulking cleaned up fairly easy. It was disappointing to see how much the rest of the boat had faded. It sounds like you will have enough to do to keep you warm working in the yard the next couple of months. I would imagine an early splash, and you could be sailing on new years! Good luck, John Raxter _____ From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of fi… [at] aol.com Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 5:25 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Through-hulls.... (was) Purchase of Cal 33-2 and question for owners In a message dated 11/16/2006 11:32:20 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, tr… [at] sbcglobal.net writes: John, Thanks for the heads-up on the vinyl thru hulls. I'll take a hard look at them and likely replace them if not already done. How did you get the old ones out? I haven't replaced thru hulls on any boat thus far and only imagine the worst--the old adhesive ripping chunks out of the gel coat as I try to remove them. Thanks, Travis **************************** hello; not meaning to butt in here, but i have had a good bit of experience replacing through-hulls on many boats, and especially with getting those old plastic white ones out. in fact, when ever i inspect a hull that is more than a few years old, one of the things i am sure to look at first is the plastic through-hulls. i most always find at least one cracked one. and that is all it takes for me to say; replace them all! i learned long ago that as goes one, so goes them all. the last boat i inspected for someone was a relatively new 28' BayLiner Sun Deck. it just happened to be for my Sister, and She had no problem with replacing all the plastic through-hulls at my word. but Her Husband (land-lubber) was not convinced; fiver being a chick and all. so i just picked up a short piece of 2 X 8 wood lying in the back yard and pushed along the side of the hull for bow to stern; liturally pealing off every one of the damned white plastic through-hulls as i went (the 1-1/2" poopy-tube one slowed me down just a bit). after that, it wasn't hard to get Karen's Hubby to help me put in new SS through-hulls. though when i went to the Main WestMarine store in Seattle to find them, they weren't on the shelf to my utter armament. and in asking the head Manager, his comment was; why ever would you want to use SS. just use bronze or plastic! i ask him how long he had been in the busniss, and said that "Christensen Yachts" and the "Tolly Craft" uses SS on their big Yachts. and "bayLiner" uses plastic on theirs. witch one do you want? and then i turned and walked out. quit oddly enough, i found the SS though-hulls in a local "Boating US" store. they had them all on the shelf, and cheaper than bronze too! and their Manager had no problem understanding why i wanted SS type. the one other thing i would very strongly suggest is double clamping every hose at both ends that runs to a through-hull. ground all through-hulls bellow the water-line. and use "vacuum-brake" on every over-board pump discharge. and install a back-flow preventer's on sinks close to the water-line in sailboats. or drain them into a small pain/tank and pump that to sea through a vented-loop/vacuum-brake. fiver, Master of The "BB-54" one of the famous Cal-28 flush-decks out of Sierra-5, Papa Hotel (in days gone by) now resting outside my shop Federal Way, Wa. (built like a Battleship; sails like a Sub......)

John, Fiver, Thanks for the help on the thru hulls. I'll be putting these notes to work when my boat shows up Nov 29. Travis ----- Original Message ----- From: John Raxter ~~~~~_/)~~~~ To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 5:28 PM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Through-hulls.... (was) Purchase of Cal 33-2 and question for owners Thanks 5er for changing subject line! Fortunately the below water line thru-hull are bronze, or at least mine are. It's the tank vents, shower sump, bilge discharge, and scuppers where they used nylon fittings. The Marlon thru hulls are about as pricey as bronze but usually include a barbed hose fitting with enough depth for double clamps. The only time these will be under water would be when the stern squats while under power. I used a painter's 5-1 to break the seal on the outside (take the nut off the inside first), then it was easy to drive the old fitting thru with a small persuader. There is not much room to swing a big whammer in the lazarette. I am sure any thin blade putty knife will work. Be sure the blade goes all the way thru the handle. Most putty knifes are not designed to be driven with a hammer. Fortunately the originals were installed on the nice shinny Gel coat, so the caulking cleaned up fairly easy. It was disappointing to see how much the rest of the boat had faded. It sounds like you will have enough to do to keep you warm working in the yard the next couple of months. I would imagine an early splash, and you could be sailing on new years! Good luck, John Raxter ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of fi… [at] aol.com Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 5:25 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Through-hulls.... (was) Purchase of Cal 33-2 and question for owners In a message dated 11/16/2006 11:32:20 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, tr… [at] sbcglobal.net writes: John, Thanks for the heads-up on the vinyl thru hulls. I'll take a hard look at them and likely replace them if not already done. How did you get the old ones out? I haven't replaced thru hulls on any boat thus far and only imagine the worst--the old adhesive ripping chunks out of the gel coat as I try to remove them. Thanks, Travis **************************** hello; not meaning to butt in here, but i have had a good bit of experience replacing through-hulls on many boats, and especially with getting those old plastic white ones out. in fact, when ever i inspect a hull that is more than a few years old, one of the things i am sure to look at first is the plastic through-hulls. i most always find at least one cracked one. and that is all it takes for me to say; replace them all! i learned long ago that as goes one, so goes them all. the last boat i inspected for someone was a relatively new 28' BayLiner Sun Deck. it just happened to be for my Sister, and She had no problem with replacing all the plastic through-hulls at my word. but Her Husband (land-lubber) was not convinced; fiver being a chick and all. so i just picked up a short piece of 2 X 8 wood lying in the back yard and pushed along the side of the hull for bow to stern; liturally pealing off every one of the damned white plastic through-hulls as i went (the 1-1/2" poopy-tube one slowed me down just a bit). after that, it wasn't hard to get Karen's Hubby to help me put in new SS through-hulls. though when i went to the Main WestMarine store in Seattle to find them, they weren't on the shelf to my utter armament. and in asking the head Manager, his comment was; why ever would you want to use SS. just use bronze or plastic! i ask him how long he had been in the busniss, and said that "Christensen Yachts" and the "Tolly Craft" uses SS on their big Yachts. and "bayLiner" uses plastic on theirs. witch one do you want? and then i turned and walked out. quit oddly enough, i found the SS though-hulls in a local "Boating US" store. they had them all on the shelf, and cheaper than bronze too! and their Manager had no problem understanding why i wanted SS type. the one other thing i would very strongly suggest is double clamping every hose at both ends that runs to a through-hull. ground all through-hulls bellow the water-line. and use "vacuum-brake" on every over-board pump discharge. and install a back-flow preventer's on sinks close to the water-line in sailboats. or drain them into a small pain/tank and pump that to sea through a vented-loop/vacuum-brake. fiver, Master of The "BB-54" one of the famous Cal-28 flush-decks out of Sierra-5, Papa Hotel (in days gone by) now resting outside my shop Federal Way, Wa. (built like a Battleship; sails like a Sub......)