It's Tiller Time! (Marsh) - Need "Mariposa" head instructions

Marsh, and others, I want to thank you for your responses to my last post. We had such a great time we are headed back tomorrow. Debbie flies in from Atlanta and we're off. This time I guarantee no mishaps. I did buy a jackline and tether for Debbie. Still need one for me. Won't leave the bay without one now, thanks to Randy! Mike K., if you're back in Tucson, my mother will be featured tonight on a show about WWII veterans. She was a WAC at the Battle of the Bulge, and she was in London during the Battle of Britain. On at 8:00 p.m. http://www.stirlinglaw.com/wac/wac.htm I will take along Rog's old sails and hoist them to see how much bigger they are than the Cal 28s. I still need to put in the depth finder I bought, which would have come in handy last week. I need a head tank like Wilkie's "Mariposa." Any instructions appreciated. I read your web site again. Any additional details appreciated. I ripped off the plastic white tubing on the side stays. Looked shabby. I take it I can pop the one stay at the dock without danger of the mast coming down, one side at a time? Is the inner stay good enough to hold for a minute while new plastic is slipped on? Does the plastic really prevent sail wear? Looks much nicer without it. I would prefer going a la natural. Also, checked under every drawer bottom last time. No hull numbers there on my boat. Seacocks all working like new. Thanks, Bruce Gangfurd Cal 28 - Hull 82 http://www.stirlinglaw.com/cal28

--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Stirling" <bruce@...> wrote: > > I ripped off the plastic white tubing on the side stays. Looked > shabby. I take it I can pop the one stay at the dock without danger > of the mast coming down, one side at a time? Is the inner stay good > enough to hold for a minute while new plastic is slipped on? Bruce: Impress your dock-mates and switch the reference to "shrouds." One secret is that if you use precise terms, people will think you're a great sailor. Geez, I was doing some quick repairs on the schooner's rain canopy and talked about a bevel when I meant a chamfer. The captain corrected me subtly. Me to capt.: "I'm putting a little bevel here." Capt. to other crew person: "Chris can't come now, he's putting a chamfer on the batten." Ouch. Chris Campbell

I knew I could count on you, Chris! So fore and aft are "stays" and the sides are "shrouds?" I heard the term "shroud" used before, as in shroud ladder, but are not "stays" attached to the chainplates? See link: http://www.infovisual.info/05/066_en.html --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "sail_c2" <clcampbell@...> wrote: > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Stirling" <bruce@> wrote: > > > > I ripped off the plastic white tubing on the side stays. Looked > > shabby. I take it I can pop the one stay at the dock without danger > > of the mast coming down, one side at a time? Is the inner stay good > > enough to hold for a minute while new plastic is slipped on? > > Bruce: > > Impress your dock-mates and switch the reference to "shrouds." One > secret is that if you use precise terms, people will think you're a > great sailor. Geez, I was doing some quick repairs on the schooner's > rain canopy and talked about a bevel when I meant a chamfer. The > captain corrected me subtly. Me to capt.: "I'm putting a little bevel > here." Capt. to other crew person: "Chris can't come now, he's > putting a chamfer on the batten." Ouch. > > Chris Campbell >

--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Stirling" <bruce@...> wrote: > > I knew I could count on you, Chris! So fore and aft are "stays" and > the sides are "shrouds?" I heard the term "shroud" used before, as in > shroud ladder, but are not "stays" attached to the chainplates? Stays are all fore and aft, as in Backstay, Babystay, Staysail, Headstay, Forestay, etc. Shrouds are side to side. You can have four stays rigged at once, back, baby, fore and head. Shrouds, you can have uppers, lowers, forward lowers and intermediate, if you have multiple spreaders. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96

--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Stirling" <bruce@...> wrote: > > I knew I could count on you, Chris! So fore and aft are "stays" and > the sides are "shrouds?" I heard the term "shroud" used before, as in > shroud ladder, but are not "stays" attached to the chainplates? > > That litle diagram is interesting because everything is labeled except for those wires from the top of the mast or under the spreaders, down to the port and starboard sides. All of my boat books are at home, including the dictionaries, but Webster's Third International unabridged defines shroud as one of the ropes or wirees, usually in pairs, from mastheads to give lateral support to masts. I know: picky, picky. But on boats, the arcane terms have the great virtue of precision (much better than "that wire over there") and telling people that you know something because you know the right terms. If I needed somebody aboard, all other things being equal, I'd pick the guy who called 'em shrouds over the guy who called 'em "side stays" because the former suggests a depth of experience and knowldege that are often useful on a boat. Chris Campbell

A little anecdote about nomenclature. Years ago on my first trip as a deckhand on a shrimper in the Gulf of Mexico - "header" is what they call the new guy, because you get to head the shrimp - the captain spent many hours a day cursing me because he'd yell, "Hand me that (pointing in the general direction of a bunch of identical-looking lines used to raise the nets from the water and dangling from the boom)." I'd look at him and hope to pick the right one and then, when, of course, I didn't, he'd start in: "What the f*@k is the MATTER with you, you dumb s$#t?" for about some time, until I finally got lucky. When we made port after the first three-week trip, I got some line dope in different colors and spent a day dipping the ends of all the lines so you could tell one from the next. I didn't ask him, I just thought it would be nice not to get cussed out every time we brought the nets in. Well, when the captain came on board for our next trip, he took one look at the lines and roared, "What the f*@k is the MATTER with you, you dumb s$#t? NOW what the hell am I going to do when I need to give you a good cussin'?" After a few trips, he got used to the lines, but it definitely left him speechless at times when I could actually hand him the one he wanted. \Rog Cal 29+ #1 Swiss Navy Cal 2-30 #77 St. Lori's Comet

When in doubt, and in polite company, I call such things "Thingies". I believe that the proper term for those "cables on the sides" is shrouds. (Careful now, new collapsible go-fast boats are using exotic polymers as shrouds.) So "lines on the sides" is also possible. I guess the term "athwartships" has to go into the definition as well. By the way, list protocol would say that the growing list of yahoo references at the bottom of messages should be deleted afore sending the subject missive. If a long list of messages has built up, it is good to dump all but the message presently the target of response (but it is good to leave at least that last message, so that folks will know what the response is about. Given my hyperbolic thinking, the target or content of my responses is often in doubt. Also good to change titles, as above. It was in 70s when I left San Diego yesterday, and is now low 20s in Annapolis. Oh, well. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of sail_c2 Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 9:34 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: It's Tiller Time! (Marsh) - Need "Mariposa" head instructions --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Stirling" <bruce@...> wrote: > > I knew I could count on you, Chris! So fore and aft are "stays" and > the sides are "shrouds?" I heard the term "shroud" used before, as in > shroud ladder, but are not "stays" attached to the chainplates? > > That litle diagram is interesting because everything is labeled except for those wires from the top of the mast or under the spreaders, down to the port and starboard sides. All of my boat books are at home, including the dictionaries, but Webster's Third International unabridged defines shroud as one of the ropes or wirees, usually in pairs, from mastheads to give lateral support to masts. I know: picky, picky. But on boats, the arcane terms have the great virtue of precision (much better than "that wire over there") and telling people that you know something because you know the right terms. If I needed somebody aboard, all other things being equal, I'd pick the guy who called 'em shrouds over the guy who called 'em "side stays" because the former suggests a depth of experience and knowldege that are often useful on a boat. Chris Campbell

--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Rog Jones" <rog@...> wrote: > > > Well, when the captain came on board for our next trip, he took one look at > the lines and roared, "What the f*@k is the MATTER with you, you dumb s$#t? > NOW what the hell am I going to do when I need to give you a good cussin'?" You ruined his day. Some of us have difficulties with right and left (pretty basic, no?). A client was talking to me today and said she might have trouble raising her right hand to be sworn in, but "Judge Hayes just tells me, 'no, Pat, the other right hand.'" I sympathized greatly. That's why it's nice that we use port and stbd. on the boat--that's much easier to remember, for some reason. North and south are easy for me, but I confuse W and E. But I can tie my shoe laces. If I think hard. Chris Campbell

--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Husar, Charlie" <husar_charlie@...> wrote: So "lines on the sides" is also possible. I guess the term > "athwartships" has to go into the definition as well. > > Webster's Third International chose "lateral" instead of "athwartships" to save the average reader the need to turns from the S section for Shrouds to the A section to find out what the S word meant. The Internal Revenue Service does not do us that favor in their regulations. On the rare occasions that I need to delve into those, I find that nothing is defined by what it is. Everything is defined by what it is not, so you have to turn to all the what-not definitions to know what your thing is. It's like defining "shroud" as "a rope or wire supporting the mast that is not a forestay, a back stay, a baby stay, a jib stay, or any other supporting wire running in a fore-and-aft direction or, in the case of running backstays, in a more fore-and-aft than athwartships direction," and so on. Frankly, I'd sooner starve than make my living dealing with IRS regs. Chris Campbell

Well, true, but here you don't have to know Spanish, it's not likley to catch on fire and earthquakes... well, when was the last time you had a scale 4 earthquake in Marysland? :-Þ Marsh (A native Califoriano or is it California native.. I can never remember. A'hm frum thar!) Husar, Charlie wrote: >It was in 70s when I left San Diego yesterday, and is now low 20s in >Annapolis. Oh, well. > > >

I still think "Larboard" sounds cooler, but I guess I'm outvoted :-Þ sail_c2 wrote: >That's why it's nice that we use port and stbd. > >

--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Marsh Wise <marsh@...> wrote: > > I still think "Larboard" sounds cooler, but I guess I'm outvoted :-Þ It was charged because of confusion in giving verbal commands. Here is he origin from the Online Encyclopedia: " STARBOARD AND LARBOARD , nautical terms for the right and left sides respectively of a ship, looking towards the bows . The final part of these is Old English bord, board, the side of a ship, now used for a plank of wood . In starboard (0 . Eng. steorbord) the first part certainly means " steer," and " steering side " therefore refers to the time when vessels were steered by a paddle or sweep worked from the right side . In Old English the left side of a ship was known as baecbord, back board, the side of the vessel to the back of the steersman . This is paralleled in all other Teutonic languages, cf . German backbord, and has been adopted in Romanic languages, cf . French bdbord . Baecbord did not survive in Middle English, in which its place was taken by laddeborde or latheborde . In the 16th century the word takes the forms lerbord, leerebord or larbord, probably by assimilation to ster-, steere-, and star-bord . There is much doubt as to the origin of the term and the curious change from laddebord to larboard . Skeat (Etym . Did.) suggests that these may be two distinct words . The earlier form is usually connected with " lade," to put cargo on board a vessel, the left side being that on which this was usually done, for the ship when in port would lie with her left side against the quay wall, her head pointing to the entrance . If the later form is not due to mere assimilation to starboard, it may contain a word meaning empty (O . Eng. gelds., Ger. leer), and refer to that side of the vessel where the steersman does not stand . Owing to the similarity in sound between starboard and larboard, the word port is now used for the left side . The substitution of this for the older term was officially ordered in the British navy by an admiralty order of 1844, and in the United States of America by a navy department notice in 1896 . The use of port in this sense is much older; it occurs in Manwaring's Seaman's Dictionary (1625-1644) . In this usage port may either mean," harbour " (Lat. porous), the ship lying with its left side against the port or quay for unloading, or " opening," " entrance " (Lat . Aorta, gate), for the cargo to be taken on board; cf . MIke Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > sail_c2 wrote: > > >That's why it's nice that we use port and stbd. > > > > >

So, I was right all along! If you go back far enough in time to the original usage, which is obviously what I was doing, you see that once upon a time, long, long ago, they were all just stays. The word "shroud" was only coined following the American Revolution! --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "mtkennedy1" <mtkennedy1@...> wrote: > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Marsh Wise <marsh@> wrote: > > > > I still think "Larboard" sounds cooler, but I guess I'm outvoted :-Þ > > It was charged because of confusion in giving verbal commands. > > Here is he origin from the Online Encyclopedia: > > " > > STARBOARD AND LARBOARD , nautical terms for the right and > left sides respectively of a ship, looking towards the bows . The final part of these is Old > English bord, board, the side of a ship, now used for a plank of wood . In starboard (0 . > Eng. steorbord) the first part certainly means " steer," and " steering side " therefore refers > to the time when vessels were steered by a paddle or sweep worked from the right side . > In Old English the left side of a ship was known as baecbord, back board, the side of the > vessel to the back of the steersman . This is paralleled in all other Teutonic languages, cf . > German backbord, and has been adopted in Romanic languages, cf . French bdbord . > Baecbord did not survive in Middle English, in which its place was taken by laddeborde or > latheborde . In the 16th century the word takes the forms lerbord, leerebord or larbord, > probably by assimilation to ster-, steere-, and star-bord . There is much doubt as to the > origin of the term and the curious change from laddebord to larboard . Skeat (Etym . > > Did.) suggests that these may be two distinct words . The earlier > form is usually connected with " lade," to put cargo on board a vessel, the left side being > that on which this was usually done, for the ship when in port would lie with her left side > against the quay wall, her head pointing to the entrance . If the later form is not due to > mere assimilation to starboard, it may contain a word meaning empty (O . Eng. gelds., Ger. > leer), and refer to that side of the vessel where the steersman does not stand . Owing to > the similarity in sound between starboard and larboard, the word port is now used for the > left side . The substitution of this for the older term was officially ordered in the British > navy by an admiralty order of 1844, and in the United States of America by a navy > department notice in 1896 . The use of port in this sense is much older; it occurs in > Manwaring's Seaman's Dictionary (1625-1644) . In this usage port may either mean," > harbour " (Lat. porous), the ship lying with its left side against the port or quay for > unloading, or " opening," " entrance " (Lat . Aorta, gate), for the cargo to be taken on > board; cf . > > > MIke Kennedy > Conquest Cal 40 # 96

Bruce, either the upper or the lower can hold the mast fine as long as you are not sailing at the time. Oh no, Mr. Bill! : - 0 Under sail, the upper can keep the mast up for a while if the lower is lost, but having done it once, I do not recommend losing the upper while sailing. Another item. What happened to me is that one of those ring pins worked its way out of the clevis at the base of the upper. I always use cotter pins now. If you use rings, TAPE THEM! Cheers, Anyway Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of sail_c2 Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 6:41 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: It's Tiller Time! (Marsh) - Need "Mariposa" head instructions --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Stirling" <bruce@...> wrote: > > I ripped off the plastic white tubing on the side stays. Looked > shabby. I take it I can pop the one stay at the dock without danger > of the mast coming down, one side at a time? Is the inner stay good > enough to hold for a minute while new plastic is slipped on? Bruce: Impress your dock-mates and switch the reference to "shrouds." One secret is that if you use precise terms, people will think you're a great sailor. Geez, I was doing some quick repairs on the schooner's rain canopy and talked about a bevel when I meant a chamfer. The captain corrected me subtly. Me to capt.: "I'm putting a little bevel here." Capt. to other crew person: "Chris can't come now, he's putting a chamfer on the batten." Ouch. Chris Campbell Yahoo! Groups Links

" STARBOARD AND LARBOARD , nautical terms for the right and left sides respectively of a ship, looking towards the bows ." HAH! A deceptive definition. Starboard and Larboard do not change whether one is looking at the bows or not. A person's left and right do change, but the definition does not make that clear. Guys and Gals, it must be winter. We never get into this stuff during most peoples' sailing season. I was just out dumping antifreeze in some heads and bilges. Problem with Frostbite racing is that one must dewinterize for every race day. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Stirling Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 6:19 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Nomenclature ( It's Tiller Time!) (Chris C) So, I was right all along! If you go back far enough in time to the original usage, which is obviously what I was doing, you see that once upon a time, long, long ago, they were all just stays. The word "shroud" was only coined following the American Revolution! --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "mtkennedy1" <mtkennedy1@...> wrote: > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Marsh Wise <marsh@> wrote: > > > > I still think "Larboard" sounds cooler, but I guess I'm outvoted :-Þ > > It was charged because of confusion in giving verbal commands. > > Here is he origin from the Online Encyclopedia: > > " > > STARBOARD AND LARBOARD , nautical terms for the right and left sides > respectively of a ship, looking towards the bows . The final part of these is Old > English bord, board, the side of a ship, now used for a plank of wood . In starboard (0 . > Eng. steorbord) the first part certainly means " steer," and " steering side " therefore refers > to the time when vessels were steered by a paddle or sweep worked from the right side . > In Old English the left side of a ship was known as baecbord, back board, the side of the > vessel to the back of the steersman . This is paralleled in all other Teutonic languages, cf . > German backbord, and has been adopted in Romanic languages, cf . French bdbord . > Baecbord did not survive in Middle English, in which its place was taken by laddeborde or > latheborde . In the 16th century the word takes the forms lerbord, leerebord or larbord, > probably by assimilation to ster-, steere-, and star-bord . There is much doubt as to the > origin of the term and the curious change from laddebord to larboard . Skeat (Etym . > > Did.) suggests that these may be two distinct words . The earlier form > is usually connected with " lade," to put cargo on board a vessel, the left side being > that on which this was usually done, for the ship when in port would lie with her left side > against the quay wall, her head pointing to the entrance . If the later form is not due to > mere assimilation to starboard, it may contain a word meaning empty (O . Eng. gelds., Ger. > leer), and refer to that side of the vessel where the steersman does not stand . Owing to > the similarity in sound between starboard and larboard, the word port is now used for the > left side . The substitution of this for the older term was officially ordered in the British > navy by an admiralty order of 1844, and in the United States of America by a navy > department notice in 1896 . The use of port in this sense is much older; it occurs in > Manwaring's Seaman's Dictionary (1625-1644) . In this usage port may either mean," > harbour " (Lat. porous), the ship lying with its left side against the port or quay for > unloading, or " opening," " entrance " (Lat . Aorta, gate), for the cargo to be taken on > board; cf . > > > MIke Kennedy > Conquest Cal 40 # 96 Yahoo! Groups Links

I just read Hornblower every once in a while (and watch the DVD's) so it stays in my head. :-) Thanks for the definition. Best, Marsh mtkennedy1 wrote: >--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Marsh Wise <marsh@...> wrote: > > >>I still think "Larboard" sounds cooler, but I guess I'm outvoted :-Þ >> >> > >It was charged because of confusion in giving verbal commands. > >Here is he origin from the Online Encyclopedia: > >" > >STARBOARD AND LARBOARD , nautical terms for the right and >left sides respectively of a ship, looking towards the bows . The final part of these is Old >English bord, board, the side of a ship, now used for a plank of wood . In starboard (0 . >Eng. steorbord) the first part certainly means " steer," and " steering side " therefore refers >to the time when vessels were steered by a paddle or sweep worked from the right side . >In Old English the left side of a ship was known as baecbord, back board, the side of the >vessel to the back of the steersman . This is paralleled in all other Teutonic languages, cf . >German backbord, and has been adopted in Romanic languages, cf . French bdbord . >Baecbord did not survive in Middle English, in which its place was taken by laddeborde or >latheborde . In the 16th century the word takes the forms lerbord, leerebord or larbord, >probably by assimilation to ster-, steere-, and star-bord . There is much doubt as to the >origin of the term and the curious change from laddebord to larboard . Skeat (Etym . > >Did.) suggests that these may be two distinct words . The earlier >form is usually connected with " lade," to put cargo on board a vessel, the left side being >that on which this was usually done, for the ship when in port would lie with her left side >against the quay wall, her head pointing to the entrance . If the later form is not due to >mere assimilation to starboard, it may contain a word meaning empty (O . Eng. gelds., Ger. >leer), and refer to that side of the vessel where the steersman does not stand . Owing to >the similarity in sound between starboard and larboard, the word port is now used for the >left side . The substitution of this for the older term was officially ordered in the British >navy by an admiralty order of 1844, and in the United States of America by a navy >department notice in 1896 . The use of port in this sense is much older; it occurs in >Manwaring's Seaman's Dictionary (1625-1644) . In this usage port may either mean," >harbour " (Lat. porous), the ship lying with its left side against the port or quay for >unloading, or " opening," " entrance " (Lat . Aorta, gate), for the cargo to be taken on >board; cf . > > >MIke Kennedy >Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > > > >>sail_c2 wrote: >> >> >> >>>That's why it's nice that we use port and stbd. >>> >>> >>> >>> > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Husar, Charlie" <husar_charlie@...> wrote: > > Guys and Gals, it must be winter. We never get into this stuff during most peoples' sailing season. I was just out dumping antifreeze in some heads and bilges. Problem with Frostbite racing is that one must dewinterize for every race day. I can confirm that it is winter. I was out today scraping accumulated snow off the cover of the Cal 20 on her trailer. Snow? A big pile. Yup, must be winter. I was also out paddling the kayak, and it rained on me. Chris Campbell

--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "sail_c2" <clcampbell@...> wrote: > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Husar, Charlie" <husar_charlie@> > wrote: > > > > Guys and Gals, it must be winter. We never get into this stuff > during most peoples' sailing season. I was just out dumping > antifreeze in some heads and bilges. Problem with Frostbite racing is > that one must dewinterize for every race day. > > I can confirm that it is winter. I was out today scraping accumulated > snow off the cover of the Cal 20 on her trailer. Snow? A big pile. > Yup, must be winter. > > I was also out paddling the kayak, and it rained on me. We had a humongous rainstorm last night. We were up at LAYC commodore's dinner where Roy Disney showed a bunch of videos from Pyewacket racing. God that's a big deck ! Coming home it was raining so hard I thought I was in Seattle for a few minutes. Of course, the guys working on the toe rail left some portlights open. I tried to turn on my dehumidifier and the GFCI was tripping. Must be some water in someplace it shouldn't be. Winter is here in southern California. No snow but rain again tonight. One more week to finish the toe rail. Guess what the holdup is ? West Marine is out of 5/16 bolts. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > Chris Campbell >

It's snowing here in the Virginia Mountains above the valley where Reno lurks waiting for "gamers," as well, Chris. And last weekend we were down in LA where it was 78 and gorgeous. Every time I hear my friends in SoCal complain (whine, whine) about the weather, I am reminded of Steve Martin's LA Story movie where he was a weatherman and said something to the effect that it was going to be in the sixties in LA that night and people ought to bring in their pets because it was going to be a ".real weenie-squeezer." Gosh, I wish I'd come up with that term. Anyway, I can remember when I lived down there and sailed out of Newport Beach that I used to bitch like mad when I had to put foulies on over my shorts. Hope you all can handle the cold and rain down there! Whew! It must be terrible when it gets clear down in the sixties. Hehehe. BTW, Mike, on the Disney thing, did he have Leslie DeMeuse with him? The two of them are really good together. Just wondering. All the best. \Rog Cal 29+ #1 Swiss Navy Cal 2-30 #77 St. Lori's Comet _____ From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mtkennedy1 Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 5:20 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re ( It's Tiller Time!) (Chris C) --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com, "sail_c2" <clcampbell@...> wrote: > > --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com, "Husar, Charlie" <husar_charlie@> > wrote: > > > > Guys and Gals, it must be winter. We never get into this stuff > during most peoples' sailing season. I was just out dumping > antifreeze in some heads and bilges. Problem with Frostbite racing is > that one must dewinterize for every race day. > > I can confirm that it is winter. I was out today scraping accumulated > snow off the cover of the Cal 20 on her trailer. Snow? A big pile. > Yup, must be winter. > > I was also out paddling the kayak, and it rained on me. We had a humongous rainstorm last night. We were up at LAYC commodore's dinner where Roy Disney showed a bunch of videos from Pyewacket racing. God that's a big deck ! Coming home it was raining so hard I thought I was in Seattle for a few minutes. Of course, the guys working on the toe rail left some portlights open. I tried to turn on my dehumidifier and the GFCI was tripping. Must be some water in someplace it shouldn't be. Winter is here in southern California. No snow but rain again tonight. One more week to finish the toe rail. Guess what the holdup is ? West Marine is out of 5/16 bolts. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > Chris Campbell >

--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Rog Jones" <rog@...> wrote: > > It's snowing here in the Virginia Mountains above the valley where Reno > lurks waiting for "gamers," as well, Chris. And last weekend we were down in > LA where it was 78 and gorgeous. Every time I hear my friends in SoCal > complain (whine, whine) about the weather, I am reminded of Steve Martin's > LA Story movie where he was a weatherman and said something to the effect > that it was going to be in the sixties in LA that night and people ought to > bring in their pets because it was going to be a ".real weenie-squeezer." > Gosh, I wish I'd come up with that term. Anyway, I can remember when I lived > down there and sailed out of Newport Beach that I used to bitch like mad > when I had to put foulies on over my shorts. > > > > Hope you all can handle the cold and rain down there! Whew! It must be > terrible when it gets clear down in the sixties. Hehehe. > > > > BTW, Mike, on the Disney thing, did he have Leslie DeMeuse with him? The two > of them are really good together. Just wondering. > > > > All the best. > > > > \Rog > Leslie was there and so was George Griffith and JIm Eddy and family. Fin Beven was there. I loved it when Roy, last year at the Transpac trophy dinner, said that the thing that makes the Transpac special is not the Z 86s (The winner, Hasso von Plattner had left on his G5 before the Trophy Dinner) but the Cal 40s. I would give a lot to be there next summer with my boat but we probably can't do it. Maybe I'll crew for Roby Bessent. I told him he needed teenagers for foredeck crew and not oldsters like me and him but we'll see. How about you ? How about if I tell him you'll go and I will too ? He's got that Cal 37 looking pretty good. I still think the 37 was not aided by that bobbed tail but it is a ride. How about it ??? I'll go if you will. We could be the anti-Disney crew. MIke Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96

Tell you what, you old coot (we're the same age, or nearly). If you go, I'm definitely in, providing you can convince Roby. Did I tell you that that boat went in the water about two months after I got to Jensen? I had to fix a bunch of stuff after the commissioning. It was a great way to make a few extra bucks on Saturdays. Maybe we can muster the oldest crew ever to do the Transpac on a (sort of) Cal 40. Hehehe. I will volunteer to furnish a new North 3DL main and jib and some interesting telltales, all with some "special effects" that I can't actually talk about right now until y patent application is registered. But they are hot. It would definitely give us a bit of an edge. Let me know how this plays out! \Rog Cal 29+ #1 Swiss Navy Cal 2-30 #77 St. Lori's Comet _____ From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mtkennedy1 Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 6:09 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Winter (was Nomenclature) --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com, "Rog Jones" <rog@...> wrote: > > It's snowing here in the Virginia Mountains above the valley where Reno > lurks waiting for "gamers," as well, Chris. And last weekend we were down in > LA where it was 78 and gorgeous. Every time I hear my friends in SoCal > complain (whine, whine) about the weather, I am reminded of Steve Martin's > LA Story movie where he was a weatherman and said something to the effect > that it was going to be in the sixties in LA that night and people ought to > bring in their pets because it was going to be a ".real weenie-squeezer." > Gosh, I wish I'd come up with that term. Anyway, I can remember when I lived > down there and sailed out of Newport Beach that I used to bitch like mad > when I had to put foulies on over my shorts. > > > > Hope you all can handle the cold and rain down there! Whew! It must be > terrible when it gets clear down in the sixties. Hehehe. > > > > BTW, Mike, on the Disney thing, did he have Leslie DeMeuse with him? The two > of them are really good together. Just wondering. > > > > All the best. > > > > \Rog > Leslie was there and so was George Griffith and JIm Eddy and family. Fin Beven was there. I loved it when Roy, last year at the Transpac trophy dinner, said that the thing that makes the Transpac special is not the Z 86s (The winner, Hasso von Plattner had left on his G5 before the Trophy Dinner) but the Cal 40s. I would give a lot to be there next summer with my boat but we probably can't do it. Maybe I'll crew for Roby Bessent. I told him he needed teenagers for foredeck crew and not oldsters like me and him but we'll see. How about you ? How about if I tell him you'll go and I will too ? He's got that Cal 37 looking pretty good. I still think the 37 was not aided by that bobbed tail but it is a ride. How about it ??? I'll go if you will. We could be the anti-Disney crew. MIke Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96

--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Rog Jones" <rog@...> wrote: > > Tell you what, you old coot (we're the same age, or nearly). If you go, I'm > definitely in, providing you can convince Roby. Did I tell you that that > boat went in the water about two months after I got to Jensen? I had to fix > a bunch of stuff after the commissioning. It was a great way to make a few > extra bucks on Saturdays. Maybe we can muster the oldest crew ever to do the > Transpac on a (sort of) Cal 40. Hehehe. I'll talk to Roby this week. I was up to the boat today and am now working on the boat book. I need a picture of Flying Scotsman. That was Bill's first commission and I was going to ask George, who I think sailed aboard her, if he had one. I was telling my wife, as we drove home in the rain last night, that George sailed in the last pre-war Transpac (1941) and she could not believe it. She is not into sailing all that much but that got her attention. MIke Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96

Hi, Mike - We are lucky George is still around. These guys are disappearing so fast. Did you ever locate Willis Boyd? When I donated the "Cal 40 trophy" to the Transpac in 2003, I dubbed it the "Jack Jensen -- Bill Lapworth -- George Griffith Perpetual," because I wanted to make sure that history remembered that George's "crazy" idea of the fin keel with a detached spade rudder was what got it all started. I've never really had a chance to talk with George except one time on the phone. But both Bill and Jack credited George with being the one who got it going by sketching the idea of a "big dinghy" on the back of a cocktail napkin for Bill Lapworth and later, to assuage Jack's fears that the boat could be a huge financial loser, guaranteeing he could sell 10 of them between himself and his various friends so that Jack would take the risk. Some risk, huh? Bill Lee, and all the rest of the later ultra-light guys all owe their "inspiration" to George Griffith, though I'm not sure how many really would ever acknowledge that or even realize what George championed. It would be especially nice if the Transpac directors would give George a little accolade at the next dinner, either in Long Beach or in Honolulu, though I doubt if George will go to Honolulu, any more than I could get Bill to do so. Your wife (Cindy?) is right to be impressed, Mike. George is something special. And I'm glad to learn that Roy Disney finally said something nice about the Cal 40. He is quoted or misquoted as having been asked if he'd be willing to do the Transpac on a Cal 40 and responding, "I'd like to, but I really don't have the time." Don't know if it's an accurate quotation, but it is at least cute. I guess 12 to 14 days on a Cal 40 seems a bit long when you can get there in five or six on a MaxZ86. But the amazing thing is that the Cal 40 is still making it possible for people who aren't Roy Disney or Hasso Plattner to do the Transpac. If Roby is going to do the Transpac with a crew of geezers, maybe he should call it the "Evening Shadows Project," vis a vis the "Morning Light Project." To me, the ultimate good time would be seeing an ancient Cal 40, slightly feeble, balding or gray-haired crew of four or five correcting in first over a crew of 14,18- to 20-year-old rock stars with terrific tans and perfect teeth on a $5 million Transpac 52 coached by Robbie Haines, filmed by Leslie DeMeuse and funded by Roy Disney with an almost unlimited budget and months and months of blue water training. Probably won't happen in my life, but it is fun to imagine. I am of the opinion, like you, that a Cal 40 (Ralphie) would have taken the 2005 Transpac on corrected time if Davis Pillsbury and his cohort had had the balls to stay south a day and a half longer. Hehehe. Coulda, shoulda, woulda. The Transpac is always an educated crap shoot. Finally, the offer of a specially equipped North 3DL main and jib is not idle chatter providing that there is some marketing value in it for my little invention. Let Roby know that. Also, I may have the original sail plan for that boat available if I dig around. I have tons of useless crud around here. Will have a look. Best. \Rog Cal 29+ #1 Swiss Navy Cal 2-30 #77 St. Lori's Comet _____ From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mtkennedy1 Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 8:09 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Anti-Disney Transpac (was Winter) (Mike) I'll talk to Roby this week. I was up to the boat today and am now working on the boat book. I need a picture of Flying Scotsman. That was Bill's first commission and I was going to ask George, who I think sailed aboard her, if he had one. I was telling my wife, as we drove home in the rain last night, that George sailed in the last pre-war Transpac (1941) and she could not believe it. She is not into sailing all that much but that got her attention. MIke Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96