RE: [Cal_Boats] Another Cal gets a major refit: Shady Lady

If you are going to spend the money on Rolls batteries, and are moving them, maybe you might consider getting the Rolls batteries that are one cell per case. I don't remember what they call them. Anyway they have better deep discharge characteristics than the group 27s. Not to mention that they are a lot easier to work with! What would be a 90 pound battery is just 6 15 pounders. Overall, better especially with refrigeration. They recommended a single big battery like this over 3 paralleled batteries to me when I discussed the same sort of things for my Aloha 32. Rolls has knowledgable sales support, and will give you all sorts of details and options. From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of steve honour Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 11:52 AM To: Cal_boats Subject: [Cal_Boats] Another Cal gets a major refit: Shady Lady Hi Group! Yeah, it's been a while since I last posted. Blast me, sailor, for I have sanded. (ahem) I have also masked and have been threatening to paint. Probably not, but maybe. Well I dunno. What I do know is that Shady Lady, my beloved Cal 34, Offshore spinnaker racing winner and Cruising Boat of the Year in Tampa Bay, is undergoing a major refit. We will be taking Shady Lady to the Bahamas for a few weeks in the Spring, and as a gift to ourselves, have decided to make some major improvements. Paint may actually be in the offing, but that will have to be low on the priority list as functionality comes first. Probably just the blue stripe, if anything. Here is a brief beginning of a list of the stuff I wanna do: Fix up list 1. New head 2. add Holding tank 3. add More water tanks 4. replace Pressure water pump 5. Rewire/ new panel 12V and AC 6. Move batteries forward and port 7. More / better batteries: house bank - (3) group 27 Rolls 8. replace elec bilge pump and float switch 9. add 12V Refrigeration 10. add Solar panels / platform? regulator. 11. Improve engine battery charge rate (install Balmar smart regulator) 12. Transmission / V Drive rebuild 13. get Depth sounder that works, really. 14. add Cockpit ports 15. add Enclosure / New dodger 16. add Screen for midhatch 17. build New awnings 18. add More cabin fans 19. add Screen cover for dorade 20. Swing the compass 21. add Cockpit shower 22. get Dinghy motor 23. Dinghy leak fix 24. Get fishing gear 25. Replace cracked main salon large port. 26. Polish fuel tank 27. Install dual Racors with valves. So If anybody has any advice (yeah, right) about any of this stuff, I'm all ears. So far, fuel polishing has begun. A slow process. I created a polisher by mounting a Racor on a portable board along with a cheap 12V fuel pump. It's hooked up with a fuel hose to a loose long copper tube which I can fit down the fuel fill and snake around inside the tank under the cockpit floor. An old tooth brush, bent into a U, cable-tied to the copper tube helps. So far we've gotten handfulls of glop outta there and clogged up a bunch of racor filters. Still at it. It's had about 4 hours of polishing and glop still comin out. There is a baffle in the middle of the tank and we've been unsuccessfull at getting the copper tube into the port side of the tank. May have to heel her over to starboard, pump most of the fuel out, and run a bunch of fuel thru the return (which is on port) to get what we can outta the port side of the tank. This will continue until the fuel flows clean. I've also begun creating the new electrical panel. Remember the parted out Ericson 35? I got the panels out of it. Tom V's word was true. It did not sink and they cleaned up pretty nicely. All breakers tested out fine. I've created a new wood panel and am mounting it on the port side above the quarter berth shelf. There will actually be enough space below it to still utilize the shelf. The new panel will be on hinges and open up like a cabinet to access the wiring. I hope to make all the wiring neat and tree-trunked out at 90 degree angles for the 'ouu-ahh' effect. Nice eh? I plan to locate the new battery bank under the aft seat of the dinnette. The run from there to the engine and panel will be shorter (under the Stbd quarter berth) than the DPO method (Dreaded Previous Owner). He had nicely located the batteries in the keel but ran the cables forward to the beam, then over to the head, and aft under the galley to finally reach the panel, battery switch and the engine. Can you say voltage drop? It was crazy. We played musical 12V devices. Turn this light on and that one goes off. Somebody runs the water and all the lights flicker. You could never put the volume on the stereo any higher than about half way. (my Marina mates thank the DPO). The old elec panel and all of it's 6 circuits were located ankle height at the starboard quarter berth. The switches always got flipped by a passing human who undoubtedly apologized later after all the juice was gone. Working on the wiring called for an acrobatic midget who could stand on his head and cut/snip on the ball of wires under the quarter berth cushion lift-out. I think the original Cal 34 had the same panel as a Cal 25. Only the wires were longer so the voltage drops were greater. Hopefully, things will be quite different aboard the new Shady Lady by next spring. So go ahead. Don't be bashful. Flood me with tips and reasons why I'm not crazy as my dock mate pays me back by going sailing every time I'm down there working on the boat. After all, I did it to him while he was doin all his projects on his Cape Dory 30. ~smile~ SMon Shady Lady, '70 Cal 34, St Pete FL. _____ Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! <http://pa.yahoo.com/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=36035/*http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/> Music Unlimited. 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Hello Thomas, Yes, I looked at those but the dimensions for a single large battery with individual cells were too great to fit in the space I have. I can fit two group 27's under the dinnette seat. And one more in the keel along with a single group 24 for starting. So the three 27's will be the house bank and the 24 would be the reserve. I could fit one more each under the quarter berths but I really don't want the weight that far aft. The boat already squats since the Atomic Four was replaced with a diesel. Looking at the specs, the group 27's have just as thick of plates as the separate cell battery and according to the dealer, they have never had to replace a single cell for any customer. These things are gonna go 7-10 years either way. I guess if I wanted more juice, I could put two more under the fwd dinnete seat but I'm tryin to leave that for galley storage. Or I could look at the group 30's. But the 30's are a lot more money for a little more juice. The 27's offer 90 amp hours for $194 and the 30's offer 108 for $280 each. The warranty on all these is 7 years but they are really expected to last longer with proper use. I'm just tired of replacing batteries every year or two and never knowing when they are gonna poop out. ~smile~ Steve "Downing, Thomas" <Th… [at] ipc.com> wrote: If you are going to spend the money on Rolls batteries, and are moving them, maybe you might consider getting the Rolls batteries that are one cell per case. I don't remember what they call them. Anyway they have better deep discharge characteristics than the group 27s. Not to mention that they are a lot easier to work with! What would be a 90 pound battery is just 6 15 pounders. Overall, better especially with refrigeration. They recommended a single big battery like this over 3 paralleled batteries to me when I discussed the same sort of things for my Aloha 32. Rolls has knowledgable sales support, and will give you all sorts of details and options. -----Original Message----- From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of steve honour Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 11:52 AM To: Cal_boats Subject: [Cal_Boats] Another Cal gets a major refit: Shady Lady Hi Group! Yeah, it's been a while since I last posted. Blast me, sailor, for I have sanded. (ahem) I have also masked and have been threatening to paint. Probably not, but maybe. Well I dunno. What I do know is that Shady Lady, my beloved Cal 34, Offshore spinnaker racing winner and Cruising Boat of the Year in Tampa Bay, is undergoing a major refit. We will be taking Shady Lady to the Bahamas for a few weeks in the Spring, and as a gift to ourselves, have decided to make some major improvements. Paint may actually be in the offing, but that will have to be low on the priority list as functionality comes first. Probably just the blue stripe, if anything. Here is a brief beginning of a list of the stuff I wanna do: Fix up list New head add Holding tank add More water tanks replace Pressure water pump Rewire/ new panel 12V and AC Move batteries forward and port More / better batteries: house bank - (3) group 27 Rolls replace elec bilge pump and float switch add 12V Refrigeration add Solar panels / platform? regulator. Improve engine battery charge rate (install Balmar smart regulator) Transmission / V Drive rebuild get Depth sounder that works, really. add Cockpit ports add Enclosure / New dodger add Screen for midhatch build New awnings add More cabin fans add Screen cover for dorade Swing the compass add Cockpit shower get Dinghy motor Dinghy leak fix Get fishing gear Replace cracked main salon large port. Polish fuel tank Install dual Racors with valves. So If anybody has any advice (yeah, right) about any of this stuff, I'm all ears. So far, fuel polishing has begun. A slow process. I created a polisher by mounting a Racor on a portable board along with a cheap 12V fuel pump. It's hooked up with a fuel hose to a loose long copper tube which I can fit down the fuel fill and snake around inside the tank under the cockpit floor. An old tooth brush, bent into a U, cable-tied to the copper tube helps. So far we've gotten handfulls of glop outta there and clogged up a bunch of racor filters. Still at it. It's had about 4 hours of polishing and glop still comin out. There is a baffle in the middle of the tank and we've been unsuccessfull at getting the copper tube into the port side of the tank. May have to heel her over to starboard, pump most of the fuel out, and run a bunch of fuel thru the return (which is on port) to get what we can outta the port side of the tank. This will continue until the fuel flows clean. I've also begun creating the new electrical panel. Remember the parted out Ericson 35? I got the panels out of it. Tom V's word was true. It did not sink and they cleaned up pretty nicely. All breakers tested out fine. I've created a new wood panel and am mounting it on the port side above the quarter berth shelf. There will actually be enough space below it to still utilize the shelf. The new panel will be on hinges and open up like a cabinet to access the wiring. I hope to make all the wiring neat and tree-trunked out at 90 degree angles for the 'ouu-ahh' effect. Nice eh? I plan to locate the new battery bank under the aft seat of the dinnette. The run from there to the engine and panel will be shorter (under the Stbd quarter berth) than the DPO method (Dreaded Previous Owner). He had nicely located the batteries in the keel but ran the cables forward to the beam, then over to the head, and aft under the galley to finally reach the panel, battery switch and the engine. Can you say voltage drop? It was crazy. We played musical 12V devices. Turn this light on and that one goes off. Somebody runs the water and all the lights flicker. You could never put the volume on the stereo any higher than about half way. (my Marina mates thank the DPO). The old elec panel and all of it's 6 circuits were located ankle height at the starboard quarter berth. The switches always got flipped by a passing human who undoubtedly apologized later after all the juice was gone. Working on the wiring called for an acrobatic midget who could stand on his head and cut/snip on the ball of wires under the quarter berth cushion lift-out. I think the original Cal 34 had the same panel as a Cal 25. Only the wires were longer so the voltage drops were greater. Hopefully, things will be quite different aboard the new Shady Lady by next spring. So go ahead. Don't be bashful. Flood me with tips and reasons why I'm not crazy as my dock mate pays me back by going sailing every time I'm down there working on the boat. After all, I did it to him while he was doin all his projects on his Cape Dory 30. ~smile~ SMon Shady Lady, '70 Cal 34, St Pete FL. --------------------------------- Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited. DISCLAIMER: Important Notice ************************************************* This e-mail may contain information that is confidential, privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not an intended recipient of this e-mail, do not duplicate or redistribute it by any means. Please delete it and any attachments and notify the sender that you have received it in error. Unintended recipients are prohibited from taking action on the basis of information in this e-mail.E-mail messages may contain computer viruses or other defects, may not be accurately replicated on other systems, or may be intercepted, deleted or interfered with without the knowledge of the sender or the intended recipient. 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