15 messages2007-01-23 07:20 through 2007-01-24 17:15 UTC
Cal 40 donation ( or buy very cheap)
lennylames2007-01-23 07:20
Are any of you familiar with Pacific Marine Foundation, Inc.
1900 West Nickerson #2000 Seattle, WA 98119-1661?
How about Associated Marine Institutes?
One thing I learned is that the beneficiary of my boat donation
should not sell it for at least 2 years, for me to deduct the
appraised value of the boat. Some of these charitable organizations
supposedly can stipulate that they will hold on to the boat for at
least 2 years.
I thought I had a qualifed buyer in December, that's why I held off
on donating it. So, I missed out on 2006 tax year, but I'll have a
decent tax deduction for 2007.
I'll start the appraisal process in the next few days, but in the
meantime, any of you interested in a well below market (low twenty
thousand range) Cal 40? It floats, it motors, it sails. See
http://www.freewebs.com/cal40 for details. I don't think anyone will
go wrong with that price, but I suggest you inspect it for your peace
of mind.
It's in FL, the land of the cheap Morgans. I checked on transport to
San Diego. Best quote was around %8,500, by one of the professional
trucking companies.
I can donate it to a charity, or I can "donate" it (sell very cheap)
to a serious, qualified buyer.
Regards,
Leonardo
Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 40 donation ( or buy very cheap)
Michael Kennedy2007-01-23 15:22 UTC
Did you ever tell us the hull number ? Not that many 40s had
bowsprits and most of those that did had the stern bobbed as a 37.
Yours did not and so is a bit unusual.
MIke Kennedy
Conquest Cal 40 # 96
On Jan 22, 2007, at 11:20 PM, lennylames wrote:
> Are any of you familiar with Pacific Marine Foundation, Inc.
> 1900 West Nickerson #2000 Seattle, WA 98119-1661?
>
> How about Associated Marine Institutes?
>
> One thing I learned is that the beneficiary of my boat donation
> should not sell it for at least 2 years, for me to deduct the
> appraised value of the boat. Some of these charitable organizations
> supposedly can stipulate that they will hold on to the boat for at
> least 2 years.
>
> I thought I had a qualifed buyer in December, that's why I held off
> on donating it. So, I missed out on 2006 tax year, but I'll have a
> decent tax deduction for 2007.
>
> I'll start the appraisal process in the next few days, but in the
> meantime, any of you interested in a well below market (low twenty
> thousand range) Cal 40? It floats, it motors, it sails. See
> http://www.freewebs.com/cal40 for details. I don't think anyone will
> go wrong with that price, but I suggest you inspect it for your peace
> of mind.
>
> It's in FL, the land of the cheap Morgans. I checked on transport to
> San Diego. Best quote was around %8,500, by one of the professional
> trucking companies.
>
> I can donate it to a charity, or I can "donate" it (sell very cheap)
> to a serious, qualified buyer.
>
> Regards,
> Leonardo
>
>
>
Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 40 donation ( or buy very cheap)
Chris Campbell2007-01-23 15:38 UTC
Michael Kennedy wrote:
>
> Did you ever tell us the hull number ? Not that many 40s had bowsprits
> and most of those that did had the stern bobbed as a 37.
>
Mike,
We discussed Spyke, the northern lower Michigan Cal 37 (?), the other
day. Spyke has the bowsprit and the bobbed (reverse Transom) stern and
the stern boomkin, a stainless steel weldment. Was the boomkin standard
equipment on these versions, or was that somebody's aftermarket improvement?
Chris Campbell
Re: Cal 40 donation ( or buy very cheap)
mtkennedy12007-01-23 15:55
--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Chris Campbell <clcampbell@...> wrote:
>
> Michael Kennedy wrote:
> >
> > Did you ever tell us the hull number ? Not that many 40s had bowsprits
> > and most of those that did had the stern bobbed as a 37.
Spyke raced on the east coast as Soogie Moogie. Thunderbird, winner of the 1966
Bermuda as a Cal 40, was later modified to a 37 with the bowsprit (although I didn't ask
Roger about that) and the boomkin on the bobbed stern. Windquest is another 40
modified to a 37 at Derecktor's yard. They all had bowsprits and boomkins. The
modification, done after delivery, actually took only about 18 inches off the hull length but
the 40 is actaully 39 feet 4 to 6 inches as built.
I've seen a couple of 40s with bowsprits; one was Firebird in the Pacific Northwest. I don't
know where it is now but Timm Lessley might know.
The west coast 37s were factory built that way and the mold was plugged to give a plumb
transom. There was no boomkin but the ones I've seen have bowsprits.
Some of the boats had props in keel apertures. THunderbird and Windquest had that
design. I don't know if Spyke has it. If you know the owner, you might ask him. Intrepid II ,
a west coast 37 had that design. It was done for rating reasons. Windquest also had a trim
tab on the keel but that was outlawed not long after introduced as a rule beater.
MIke Kennedy
Conquest Cal 40 # 96
> >
>
>
>
> Mike,
>
> We discussed Spyke, the northern lower Michigan Cal 37 (?), the other
> day. Spyke has the bowsprit and the bobbed (reverse Transom) stern and
> the stern boomkin, a stainless steel weldment. Was the boomkin standard
> equipment on these versions, or was that somebody's aftermarket improvement?
>
> Chris Campbell
>
Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal 40 donation ( or buy very cheap)
Chris Campbell2007-01-23 17:31 UTC
mtkennedy1 wrote:
>
>
>
> Spyke raced on the east coast as Soogie Moogie. Thunderbird, winner of
> the 1966
> Bermuda as a Cal 40, was later modified to a 37 with the bowsprit
> (although I didn't ask
> Roger about that) and the boomkin on the bobbed stern. Windquest is
> another 40
> modified to a 37 at Derecktor's yard. They all had bowsprits and
> boomkins. The
> modification, done after delivery, actually took only about 18 inches
> off the hull length but
> the 40 is actaully 39 feet 4 to 6 inches as built.
>
I imagine this was done for some rule-related reason and not as weight
savings? When I was staring at the boomkin the other day, what struck
me was that they reversed the transom and then had to add on the same
length via the boomkin. I think I'd rather keep the old transom and
have some extra room in the cockpit--and perhaps a stronger vessel, one
without the vulnerable stainless structure sticking out behind.
Chris Campbell
Re: Cal 40 donation ( or buy very cheap)
mtkennedy12007-01-23 18:40
--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Chris Campbell <clcampbell@...> wrote:
>
> mtkennedy1 wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Spyke raced on the east coast as Soogie Moogie. Thunderbird, winner of
> > the 1966
> > Bermuda as a Cal 40, was later modified to a 37 with the bowsprit
> > (although I didn't ask
> > Roger about that) and the boomkin on the bobbed stern. Windquest is
> > another 40
> > modified to a 37 at Derecktor's yard. They all had bowsprits and
> > boomkins. The
> > modification, done after delivery, actually took only about 18 inches
> > off the hull length but
> > the 40 is actaully 39 feet 4 to 6 inches as built.
> >
>
>
> I imagine this was done for some rule-related reason and not as weight
> savings? When I was staring at the boomkin the other day, what struck
> me was that they reversed the transom and then had to add on the same
> length via the boomkin. I think I'd rather keep the old transom and
> have some extra room in the cockpit--and perhaps a stronger vessel, one
> without the vulnerable stainless structure sticking out behind.
The whole issue was sail area. The bowsprit lengthens the J by 18 inches. The bobbed
stern was probably to get weight out of the stern as the light air performance was
probably helped by reducing weight there. The west coast 37s had smaller mains and the
boomkin was probably to keep the big main and reduce lee helm from the increase in sail
area forward of the center of lateral resistence. The long stern was actually added by
Jensen to make it a 40 footer for marketing purposes. Lapworth designed it as a 39 and he
was the one who suggested cutting the stern.
Roger may know more about this. I don't think the 37 has an advantage in Transpac as the
long stern run helps surfing. There was also a rating benefit and Roger Fortin said the
original job at Derektor was botched as they didn't shorten it as much as planned but the
rating came out better. The other east coast 40s probably copied Thunderbird in the
modification to 37s.
Mike Kennedy
Conquest Cal 40 # 96
>
> Chris Campbell
>
Re: Cal 40 donation ( or buy very cheap)
lennylames2007-01-23 20:25
Mike,
This is hull #44, ex-Gulf Ghost from New Orleans. It already had
the extended bowsprit when I got it in 1993.
Replaced the bowsprit in 2000 after the old one was bent out of
shape in a collision with a ship.
If I launched it tomorrow, after provisioning, bending sails, and re-
attaching the masthead tricolor (came loose), I'd be able to motor
out of the marina, set the Monitor windvane, head offshore, go to
sleep :) Ok, really, I should change all 3 fuel filters and change
the engine oil and filter beforehand.
However, there is some work that needs to be done. Lifeline
stanchions need to re-bedded, deck is original and has gelcoat
surface crazing, fuel tank has corrosion on top (previous owner had
epoxied the top surface), CDI roller fouling is a bit old and not as
easy to turn as a new Harken or Profurl.
Hull had new awlgrip in 2000. Engine, transmission, v-drive in good
shape. Bottom has not had bottom paint applied in years. My usage
involved launching it, cruising around for 4 weeks, then going back
to the real world. The marina would keep it in the slip for a few
months, then haul it out and power wash it. Hence, no need for
bottom paint.
It's cruise equipped and I've lived in it for months. Don't know
why I can't convince my wife, Commodore Naomi, from living aboard
and experiencing the wonderful cruising lifestyle.
BTW, the transport quote that I got from Marathon Key, FL to West
Coast (I believe it was for San Diego) was for $8489 from Joule
Yacht Transport, as of November or December of last year. One would
think that their fuel surcharges are a bit lower now.
Regards,
Leonardo Llames
--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Michael Kennedy <mtkennedy1@...>
wrote:
>
> Did you ever tell us the hull number ? Not that many 40s had
> bowsprits and most of those that did had the stern bobbed as a
37.
> Yours did not and so is a bit unusual.
>
> MIke Kennedy
> Conquest Cal 40 # 96
>
>
> On Jan 22, 2007, at 11:20 PM, lennylames wrote:
>
> > Are any of you familiar with Pacific Marine Foundation, Inc.
> > 1900 West Nickerson #2000 Seattle, WA 98119-1661?
> >
> > How about Associated Marine Institutes?
> >
> > One thing I learned is that the beneficiary of my boat donation
> > should not sell it for at least 2 years, for me to deduct the
> > appraised value of the boat. Some of these charitable
organizations
> > supposedly can stipulate that they will hold on to the boat for
at
> > least 2 years.
> >
> > I thought I had a qualifed buyer in December, that's why I held
off
> > on donating it. So, I missed out on 2006 tax year, but I'll have
a
> > decent tax deduction for 2007.
> >
> > I'll start the appraisal process in the next few days, but in the
> > meantime, any of you interested in a well below market (low
twenty
> > thousand range) Cal 40? It floats, it motors, it sails. See
> > http://www.freewebs.com/cal40 for details. I don't think anyone
will
> > go wrong with that price, but I suggest you inspect it for your
peace
> > of mind.
> >
> > It's in FL, the land of the cheap Morgans. I checked on
transport to
> > San Diego. Best quote was around %8,500, by one of the
professional
> > trucking companies.
> >
> > I can donate it to a charity, or I can "donate" it (sell very
cheap)
> > to a serious, qualified buyer.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Leonardo
> >
> >
> >
>
Re: Cal 40 donation ( or buy very cheap)
mtkennedy12007-01-23 21:25
--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "lennylames" <lennylames@...> wrote:
>
> Mike,
>
> This is hull #44, ex-Gulf Ghost from New Orleans. It already had
> the extended bowsprit when I got it in 1993.
>
> Replaced the bowsprit in 2000 after the old one was bent out of
> shape in a collision with a ship.
I should have looked first as I have it in both the current owners' list and an old when from
when it was still Gulf Ghost. There were some bowsprits on 40s so that is obviously
original. Too bad we didn't make contact about 2 1/2 years ago when I was looking. I can't
think of a bigger job than the one I tackled except maybe Stan Honey's boat, which was
propped in a field when he found it.
I certainly would not wish to be the source of marital friction but my son Mike Jr, who also
monitors the list, was once given an ultimatum by his girl friend of the time. "Me or
sailing."
The other females in the family didn't care that much for her anyway so they never missed
her. I'd better shut up now or I'll hear from him.
Mike Kennedy Sr
Conquest Cal 40 # 96
Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal 40 donation ( or buy very cheap)
Chris Campbell2007-01-23 21:56 UTC
mtkennedy1 wrote:
>
> -my son Mike Jr, who also
> monitors the list, was once given an ultimatum by his girl friend of
> the time. "Me or
> sailing."
>
He made the right choice.
Chris Campbell
Re: [Cal_Boats] Females and sailing - was: Cal 40 donation ( or buy very cheap)
. .2007-01-23 22:24 UTC
You guys just need to find humans of the female
persuasion who are equally passionate about sailing -
they do exist ; - )
Sabine
S/V "Night and Day", Cal 25
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> mtkennedy1 wrote:
> >
> > -my son Mike Jr, who also
> > monitors the list, was once given an ultimatum by
> his girl friend of
> > the time. "Me or
> > sailing."
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> He made the right choice.
>
> Chris Campbell
>
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Re: [Cal_Boats] Females and sailing - was: Cal 40 donation ( or buy very cheap)
Tom Vandiver2007-01-24 11:12 UTC
Yes, they do exist! I am fortunate to be married to
one for 25 years May 15. Recently a friend who is
trying to sell his boat related how one guy had said
his wife told him, "...it,s me or the boat."
Admiral Bobbie said, "He made the wrong decision."
I think given the choice, Bobbie would choose the
boat.
Tom & Bobbie Vandiver, Cal 46, SATORI, Cal 25, BRAVURA
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> You guys just need to find humans of the female
> persuasion who are equally passionate about sailing
> -
> they do exist ; - )
>
> Sabine
>
> S/V "Night and Day", Cal 25
>
>
>
> --- Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com>
> wrote:
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> > mtkennedy1 wrote:
> > >
> > > -my son Mike Jr, who also
> > > monitors the list, was once given an ultimatum
> by
> > his girl friend of
> > > the time. "Me or
> > > sailing."
> > >
> >
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> >
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> >
> > He made the right choice.
> >
> > Chris Campbell
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Re: [Cal_Boats] Females and sailing - was: Cal 40 donation ( or buy very cheap)
Chris Campbell2007-01-24 14:27 UTC
I certainly didn't mean to suggest that there aren't any women who like
sailing. But when the choice is between one who doesn't, or going
sailing, the choice is easy.
Chris Campbell
wrote:
>
> You guys just need to find humans of the female
> persuasion who are equally passionate about sailing -
> they do exist ; - )
>
> Sabine
>
> S/V "Night and Day", Cal 25
>
> --- Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com
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> wrote:
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> > mtkennedy1 wrote:
> > >
> > > -my son Mike Jr, who also
> > > monitors the list, was once given an ultimatum by
> > his girl friend of
> > > the time. "Me or
> > > sailing."
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > He made the right choice.
> >
> > Chris Campbell
> >
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RE: [Cal_Boats] Females and sailing - was: Cal 40 donation ( or buy very cheap)
Downing, Thomas2007-01-24 14:29 UTC
Yep, they do. So do humans of femail persuasion that are
passionate about flying. Unfortunately for me, I also only
like humans of the female persuation that are independent
and strong minded. So Jody, an exellent flying parter got
a fantastic job hundreds of miles away. Ivana who sailed
with me 2-3 days a week, was offered an execellent opertunity
hundreds of miles away.
I need to discover the joys of co-dependency...
td
> You guys just need to find humans of the female
> persuasion who are equally passionate about sailing -
> they do exist ; - )
>
> Sabine
>
> S/V "Night and Day", Cal 25
>
> --- Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com>
> wrote:
>
>> mtkennedy1 wrote:
>> >
>> > -my son Mike Jr, who also
>> > monitors the list, was once given an ultimatum by
>> his girl friend of
>> > the time. "Me or
>> > sailing."
>> >
>>
>>
>> He made the right choice.
>>
>> Chris Campbell
>>
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Re: Cal 40 donation ( or buy very cheap)
michaelkennedy052007-01-24 16:52
--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Chris Campbell <clcampbell@...> wrote:
>
> mtkennedy1 wrote:
> >
> > -my son Mike Jr, who also
> > monitors the list, was once given an ultimatum by his girl friend of
> > the time. "Me or
> > sailing."
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> He made the right choice.
>
> Chris Campbell
>
Gad. How did my love life wind up a topic of discussion on the Cal
website? Current one enjoys sailing; hence I have become a boat
owner, which I swore I would never do. Can't complain, though-living
400 miles away from the Cal 40 I need something to paint, varnish,
etc. etc. around here
Mike Kennedy Jr.
Cal 40 #96
Santana 22 #146
Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal 40 donation ( or buy very cheap)
Chris Campbell2007-01-24 17:15 UTC
michaelkennedy05 wrote:
>
> --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>,
> Chris Campbell <clcampbell@...> wrote:
> >
> > mtkennedy1 wrote:
> > >
> > > -my son Mike Jr, who also
> > > monitors the list, was once given an ultimatum by his girl friend of
> > > the time. "Me or
> > > sailing."
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > He made the right choice.
> >
> > Chris Campbell
> >
>
> Gad. How did my love life wind up a topic of discussion on the Cal
> website?
>
This is your father's fault. It's probably classified under the heading
"parental revenge."
This is something we put up with, in exchange for having parents who
turned us into sailors.
Chris Campbell