Re: [Cal_Boats] Starting Cold Diesel Engines--Magnetic Block Heaters a Help?

You've been such a great resource on the board Joe... sure do appreciated it! The 'peel & stick' type of block heater you mentioned in your post.... will it work on a Farymann A30 in a Cal 29? Joe, the only thing that really ticks me off about you, is that you don't have your business here in the Puget Sound area on the West Coast. ;-) We sure could use you here! Gregg & Dannae Original owners 1978 Cal 3-29 Chaconne In a message dated 2/3/2007 7:43:12 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, je… [at] mindspring.com writes: I'm a dealer for Wolverine oil pan heaters. They are 'peel and stick' type installation onto the oil pan, and work very well, while consuming MUCH less power than the traditional block heaters. Joe DeMers Sound Marine Diesel LLC www.soundmarinedieswww.so

When my family and I go cruising, we like to be able to stay away from civilization for several days at a time. Therefore, I want to get less dependent upon stopping for ice and water. I am interested in list members thoughts in two areas: Refrigeration Have any of you added a refrigeration unit to your ice box. If so what advice do you have? If you have a Cal 29, where did you locate the compressor? Water Storage How have some of you added water storage? Have any of you used the bladder tanks? I am currently thinking about putting a 26 gallon tank back behind my fuel tank on the floor of the lazarette locker. I would hook both tanks to a T and be able to separately send water to my freshwater pump. Any thoughts? Thanks in advance for any thoughts you all might have. Terry Spencer Capriccio Cal 2-29

--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, torea26@... wrote: > > > You've been such a great resource on the board Joe... sure do appreciated it! > > The 'peel & stick' type of block heater you mentioned in your post.... will > it work on a Farymann A30 in a Cal 29? > > Joe, the only thing that really ticks me off about you, is that you don't > have your business here in the Puget Sound area on the West Coast. ;-) We sure > could use you here! I'll second that. I've had a mystery that messed up our plans to sail in the LAYC OPENING DAY RACE tomorrow. When I restored the 40, I replaced the entire drive train with a new Yanmar 3YM, a new V-drive, new shafts, shaft log, dripless collar and prop. We took the boat out last October to check sails and lead angles before replacing the toe rail. In powering out, I noticed a lot of vibration. I thought maybe the Martec prop had not opened and took it out of gear, then reversed and then went back to forward. There was still a lot of vibration so we basically sailed out and back. I called Boatswain's Locker in Newport Beach who had supplied the engine, although the shipyard installed it. They went up finally a couple of weeks ago. I had a theory that the boat, now in the water for a year and almost never run under power, had sagged a bit and maybe the alignment had shifted. It hadn't been moved in a couple of months but was OK when we last moved it in September or so. The Boatswain's guy called me and said the alignment was fine but he detected a half inch of play in the shaft and I had better not run it under power until we found out what was the matter. I got the diver to send one of their people who is experienced in replacing cutlass bearings to check it. I though maybe the bearing had worked loose and was turning, chewing up the tube, or maybe the shaft was out of line and had chewed up the bearing. And we called off the race. Anyway, the diver looked at it last week and said it's fine. No play, bearing looks new and prop and shaft look fine. Now what ? The Boatswain's guy suggested maybe a cylinder was missing from a bad injector. I was going to take it out this weekend and motor around the marine to see if I can duplicate the situation. Any ideas, Joe ? Other than I should have bought a Betamarine? Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > Gregg & Dannae > Original owners > 1978 Cal 3-29 > Chaconne > > > In a message dated 2/3/2007 7:43:12 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > jedsail@... writes: > > I'm a dealer for Wolverine oil pan heaters. They are 'peel and stick' type > installation onto the oil pan, and work very well, while consuming MUCH less > power than the traditional block heaters. > > Joe DeMers > Sound Marine Diesel LLC > www.soundmarinedieswww.so >

Yea Joe I will second that....however need you here on Long Island!! Greg 1986 P36-2 ----- Original Message ----- From: to… [at] aol.com To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Starting Cold Diesel Engines--Magnetic Block Heaters a Help? You've been such a great resource on the board Joe... sure do appreciated it! The 'peel & stick' type of block heater you mentioned in your post.... will it work on a Farymann A30 in a Cal 29? Joe, the only thing that really ticks me off about you, is that you don't have your business here in the Puget Sound area on the West Coast. ;-) We sure could use you here! Gregg & Dannae Original owners 1978 Cal 3-29 Chaconne In a message dated 2/3/2007 7:43:12 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, je… [at] mindspring.com writes: I'm a dealer for Wolverine oil pan heaters. They are 'peel and stick' type installation onto the oil pan, and work very well, while consuming MUCH less power than the traditional block heaters. Joe DeMers Sound Marine Diesel LLC www.soundmarinediesel.com

I spent last evening talking to an O'Day owner who regularly cruises the Sea of Cortez in his 27 footer. He told me he saw online somewhere a clamp-on type device that wraps around the rope main and attaches to a track on the mast. He said there was no sewing of any kind, and he didn't think there was any grommet work involved, either. Anyone comes across anything similar? Sounded too good to be true, and a great time saver for me. Thanks in advance.

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From: to… [at] aol.com To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Starting Cold Diesel Engines--Magnetic Block Heaters a Help? You've been such a great resource on the board Joe... sure do appreciated it! ****** Thanks Greg - it's been fun! The 'peel & stick' type of block heater you mentioned in your post.... will it work on a Farymann A30 in a Cal 29? ****** Sure will. By the way, I have a complete running A30M in stock, if anyone is interested. Joe DeMers Sound Marine Diesel LLC www.soundmarinediesel.com Joe, the only thing that really ticks me off about you, is that you don't have your business here in the Puget Sound area on the West Coast. ;-) We sure could use you here! Gregg & Dannae Original owners 1978 Cal 3-29 Chaconne In a message dated 2/3/2007 7:43:12 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, je… [at] mindspring.com writes: I'm a dealer for Wolverine oil pan heaters. They are 'peel and stick' type installation onto the oil pan, and work very well, while consuming MUCH less power than the traditional block heaters. Joe DeMers Sound Marine Diesel LLC www.soundmarinediesel.com

Additional Fresh water and refrigerationWhat engine is installed in your boat? The most efficient method of driving a refer compressor is directly off the engine. Joe DeMers Sound Marine Diesel LLC www.soundmarinediesel.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Terrence Spencer To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 1:11 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Additional Fresh water and refrigeration When my family and I go cruising, we like to be able to stay away from civilization for several days at a time. Therefore, I want to get less dependent upon stopping for ice and water. I am interested in list members thoughts in two areas: Refrigeration Have any of you added a refrigeration unit to your ice box. If so what advice do you have? If you have a Cal 29, where did you locate the compressor? Water Storage How have some of you added water storage? Have any of you used the bladder tanks? I am currently thinking about putting a 26 gallon tank back behind my fuel tank on the floor of the lazarette locker. I would hook both tanks to a T and be able to separately send water to my freshwater pump. Any thoughts? Thanks in advance for any thoughts you all might have. Terry Spencer Capriccio Cal 2-29

From: "mtkennedy1" <mt… [at] cox.net> To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 2:25 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Starting Cold Diesel Engines--Magnetic Block Heaters a Help? > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, torea26@... wrote: > > > > > > You've been such a great resource on the board Joe... sure do appreciated it! > > > > The 'peel & stick' type of block heater you mentioned in your post.... will > > it work on a Farymann A30 in a Cal 29? > > > > Joe, the only thing that really ticks me off about you, is that you don't > > have your business here in the Puget Sound area on the West Coast. ;-) We sure > > could use you here! > > I'll second that. I've had a mystery that messed up our plans to sail in the LAYC OPENING > DAY RACE tomorrow. When I restored the 40, I replaced the entire drive train with a new > Yanmar 3YM, a new V-drive, new shafts, shaft log, dripless collar and prop. We took the > boat out last October to check sails and lead angles before replacing the toe rail. In > powering out, I noticed a lot of vibration. I thought maybe the Martec prop had not opened > and took it out of gear, then reversed and then went back to forward. There was still a lot > of vibration so we basically sailed out and back. > > I called Boatswain's Locker in Newport Beach who had supplied the engine, although the > shipyard installed it. They went up finally a couple of weeks ago. I had a theory that the > boat, now in the water for a year and almost never run under power, had sagged a bit and > maybe the alignment had shifted. It hadn't been moved in a couple of months but was OK > when we last moved it in September or so. The Boatswain's guy called me and said the > alignment was fine but he detected a half inch of play in the shaft and I had better not run > it under power until we found out what was the matter. > > I got the diver to send one of their people who is experienced in replacing cutlass bearings > to check it. I though maybe the bearing had worked loose and was turning, chewing up the > tube, or maybe the shaft was out of line and had chewed up the bearing. > > And we called off the race. > > Anyway, the diver looked at it last week and said it's fine. No play, bearing looks new and > prop and shaft look fine. > > Now what ? > > The Boatswain's guy suggested maybe a cylinder was missing from a bad injector. I was > going to take it out this weekend and motor around the marine to see if I can duplicate the > situation. > > Any ideas, Joe ? ****** I would contact the installer and inquire about the problem. > > Other than I should have bought a Betamarine? ***** I've heard reports of overheat problems with the YM series - have you experienced that? > Joe DeMers Sound Marine Diesel LLC www.soundmarinediesel.com > Mike Kennedy > Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > > >

I occasionally travel to Long Island. Joe DeMers Sound Marine Diesel LLC www.soundmarinediesel.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Sail Away To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 9:19 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Starting Cold Diesel Engines--Magnetic Block Heaters a Help? Yea Joe I will second that....however need you here on Long Island!! Greg 1986 P36-2 ----- Original Message ----- From: to… [at] aol.com To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Starting Cold Diesel Engines--Magnetic Block Heaters a Help? You've been such a great resource on the board Joe... sure do appreciated it! The 'peel & stick' type of block heater you mentioned in your post.... will it work on a Farymann A30 in a Cal 29? Joe, the only thing that really ticks me off about you, is that you don't have your business here in the Puget Sound area on the West Coast. ;-) We sure could use you here! Gregg & Dannae Original owners 1978 Cal 3-29 Chaconne In a message dated 2/3/2007 7:43:12 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, je… [at] mindspring.com writes: I'm a dealer for Wolverine oil pan heaters. They are 'peel and stick' type installation onto the oil pan, and work very well, while consuming MUCH less power than the traditional block heaters. Joe DeMers Sound Marine Diesel LLC www.soundmarinediesel.com

--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Joe DeMers" <jedsail@...> wrote: > > snipped > > > > The Boatswain's guy suggested maybe a cylinder was missing from a bad > injector. I was > > going to take it out this weekend and motor around the marine to see if I > can duplicate the > > situation. > > > > Any ideas, Joe ? > > ****** I would contact the installer and inquire about the problem. I have and they are about 40 miles south of where the boat is moored. I'm going to take it out Thursday and see if I can duplicate the vibration. It's been checked out and they can't find anything. The yard that installed it will haul the boat and look for the problem at no cost to me but I have to get it there. We were going to tow it until everything checked out last week. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 It was 78 degrees here for the race yesterday. I haven't heard if they had any breeze. > > > > Other than I should have bought a Betamarine? > > ***** I've heard reports of overheat problems with the YM series - have you > experienced that? I have only about 12 hours on the engine so far. That's over 18 months. No overheating so far. > > > Joe DeMers > Sound Marine Diesel LLC > www.soundmarinediesel.com > > > Mike Kennedy > > Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > > > > > > >

On the general subject of @#$%&??!!!! engines, I was trying to identify a 1921 knockabout sloop apparently designed for Bay City, MI, where I grew up and my other boat lies. Publications from the local yacht club's 5th and 100th anniversaries had photos of some boats as large as any of our Cals, described as being without auxiliary power. There are several interesting things about this. First, as the boats were berthed about a mile upriver from its mouth, and at least 2 miles from where they would have had enough water to sail outside a dredged channel, there must have been a lot of tacking. Second, to do all that tacking, they were undoubtedly free of the swarm of powerboats that most of us are surrounded by. Third, they lived at a time when they could take the time to tack in or out or both. They had a different scale for time. If they ran out of wind, they waited or moved slowly. Fourth, being without backup power really puts a premium on sailing skills--staying out of trouble, keeping the rig intact, clawing off that lee shore or that dangerous reef. And fifth, they were freed from the annoyances of oil changes,overheating, belts breaking, transmissions not shifting or transmitting, compression diminishing, batteries dying, and the damned things just not running. Some of my scariest moments came when I was depending on the engine and it didn't cooperate. Chris Campbell

One of my former bosses and current mentors is a Naval Architect and retired Navy Captain who graduated from the Academy in the 50s. He was on the sailing team, and back then they sailed yawls with no engine. They would back them into the slip under sail! He said all the clubs hosting regattas would reserve them a slip right in front of the clubhouse so everyone could watch this, and they never had to buy their own drinks at the bar after performing that maneuver! From: Chris Campbell Sent: Mon 2/5/2007 7:49 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal 40 and YM series Yanmar problems ...some boats as large as any of our Cals, described as being without auxiliary power. There are several interesting things about this. . Chris Campbell

Mike Where was this shaft play noted? How was it measured? Has the boat been hauled since run last? Bent shaft? What type of V-drive do you have? I assume your diver checked to see if you prop was free too open evenly. I not sure powering up in reverse will buy you any more than Fwd gear on the Martec. I chased a nasty vibration once, Drove me crazy for hours. It turned that a piece of tubing have gotten between the oil pan and the hull. Was it at night? Everything shakes and rattles more at night.(Kidding, Flying stories) Keep a open mind. Good luck Chuck Second Fiddle 2-34 mtkennedy1 <mt… [at] cox.net> wrote: --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Joe DeMers" <jedsail@...> wrote: > > snipped > > > > The Boatswain's guy suggested maybe a cylinder was missing from a bad > injector. I was > > going to take it out this weekend and motor around the marine to see if I > can duplicate the > > situation. > > > > Any ideas, Joe ? > > ****** I would contact the installer and inquire about the problem. I have and they are about 40 miles south of where the boat is moored. I'm going to take it out Thursday and see if I can duplicate the vibration. It's been checked out and they can't find anything. The yard that installed it will haul the boat and look for the problem at no cost to me but I have to get it there. We were going to tow it until everything checked out last week. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 It was 78 degrees here for the race yesterday. I haven't heard if they had any breeze. > > > > Other than I should have bought a Betamarine? > > ***** I've heard reports of overheat problems with the YM series - have you > experienced that? I have only about 12 hours on the engine so far. That's over 18 months. No overheating so far. > > > Joe DeMers > Sound Marine Diesel LLC > www.soundmarinediesel.com > > > Mike Kennedy > > Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users.

--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Elwers, George A." <george.a.elwers@...> wrote: > > One of my former bosses and current mentors is a Naval Architect and retired Navy Captain who graduated from the Academy in the 50s. He was on the sailing team, and back then they sailed yawls with no engine. They would back them into the slip under sail! He said all the clubs hosting regattas would reserve them a slip right in front of the clubhouse so everyone could watch this, and they never had to buy their own drinks at the bar after performing that maneuver! A guy who had a sailing school in Marina Del Ray in the 60s was a sailing coach at the academy. His name was Paul Miller. I haven't seen him in years but taught me to sail and was perfectly capable of that maneuver. He was a great guy and had a lot of women students who, no doubt, learned a lot from him. At one time, he raced his Carter 39 in Ensenada races and had students pay to crew for him. He later took the Carter 39 to Tahiti with a female crew who paid for the trip. I met him in Hawaii on the way back. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 #96 > > ________________________________ > > From: Chris Campbell > Sent: Mon 2/5/2007 7:49 AM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal 40 and YM series Yanmar problems > > > > ...some boats as large as > any of our Cals, described as being without auxiliary power. There are > several interesting things about this. > > . > > Chris Campbell >

I guess this really applies to really cold weather. Batteries need to be keep fully charged and warm. If I were to live in truly cold area not only would I heat the engine (block heater) I would also install a battery(s) blanket. Your battery will lose a large percentage it's cranking amps has temps fall. Chuck 2-34 second Fiddle Joe DeMers <je… [at] mindspring.com> wrote: I occasionally travel to Long Island. Joe DeMers Sound Marine Diesel LLC www.soundmarinediesel.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Sail Away To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 9:19 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Starting Cold Diesel Engines--Magnetic Block Heaters a Help? Yea Joe I will second that....however need you here on Long Island!! Greg 1986 P36-2 ----- Original Message ----- From: to… [at] aol.com To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Starting Cold Diesel Engines--Magnetic Block Heaters a Help? You've been such a great resource on the board Joe... sure do appreciated it! The 'peel & stick' type of block heater you mentioned in your post.... will it work on a Farymann A30 in a Cal 29? Joe, the only thing that really ticks me off about you, is that you don't have your business here in the Puget Sound area on the West Coast. ;-) We sure could use you here! Gregg & Dannae Original owners 1978 Cal 3-29 Chaconne In a message dated 2/3/2007 7:43:12 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, je… [at] mindspring.com writes: I'm a dealer for Wolverine oil pan heaters. They are 'peel and stick' type installation onto the oil pan, and work very well, while consuming MUCH less power than the traditional block heaters. Joe DeMers Sound Marine Diesel LLC www.soundmarinediesel.com --------------------------------- 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut.

--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Chuck Lennox <lennoxchuck@...> wrote: > > Mike > Where was this shaft play noted? How was it measured? Good question. The diver found none. I have to have a talk with the mechanics. > Has the boat been hauled since run last? Bent shaft? No. There was no mention of any problem from below. I have to run it again and see if I can duplicate the vibration. > What type of V-drive do you have? Walters and new. > I assume your diver checked to see if you prop was free too open evenly. I not sure powering up in reverse will buy you any more than Fwd gear on the Martec. He said the prop looked new and the divers clean the bottom every month in winter when the water is cold. I have gotten Martecs to open before by cycling between forward and reverse. Usually that is some growth. > > I chased a nasty vibration once, Drove me crazy for hours. It turned that a piece of tubing have gotten between the oil pan and the hull. I wondered about the motor mounts but the mechanics are the best around here (and charge for it) and should not miss that. > > Was it at night? Everything shakes and rattles more at night.(Kidding, Flying stories) We were going out to sail and it was bad when I tried to throttle up. I haven't tried it since and haven't talked to the guy who actually went to the boat. MIke Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > Keep a open mind. Good luck > Chuck > Second Fiddle 2-34 > > mtkennedy1 <mtkennedy1@...> wrote: > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Joe DeMers" <jedsail@> wrote: > > > > > snipped > > > > > > > The Boatswain's guy suggested maybe a cylinder was missing from a bad > > injector. I was > > > going to take it out this weekend and motor around the marine to see if I > > can duplicate the > > > situation. > > > > > > Any ideas, Joe ? > > > > ****** I would contact the installer and inquire about the problem. > > I have and they are about 40 miles south of where the boat is moored. I'm going to take it > out Thursday and see if I can duplicate the vibration. It's been checked out and they can't > find anything. The yard that installed it will haul the boat and look for the problem at no > cost to me but I have to get it there. We were going to tow it until everything checked out > last week. > > Mike Kennedy > Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > It was 78 degrees here for the race yesterday. I haven't heard if they had any breeze. > > > > > > > Other than I should have bought a Betamarine? > > > > ***** I've heard reports of overheat problems with the YM series - have you > > experienced that? > > I have only about 12 hours on the engine so far. That's over 18 months. No overheating so > far. > > > > > > Joe DeMers > > Sound Marine Diesel LLC > > www.soundmarinediesel.com > > > > > Mike Kennedy > > > Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Need Mail bonding? > Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. >

On 2/5/07, mtkennedy1 <mt… [at] cox.net> wrote: > > He later took the Carter 39 to Tahiti > with a female crew who paid for the trip. > Tough job, but somebody's got to do it ;^) Jon Brush

--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Jonathan Brush" <jonbrush@...> wrote: > > On 2/5/07, mtkennedy1 <mtkennedy1@...> wrote: > > > > He later took the Carter 39 to Tahiti > > with a female crew who paid for the trip. > > > > > Tough job, but somebody's got to do it ;^) I was even more impressed to see the three girls who helped him bring it back. Going is easy. Paul was really a great guy. He had this sailing school in Marina Del Rey which is full of single women living in condos, paid for no doubt out of the divorce settlement. We would walk across the parking lot to the boats and there would always be two or three pretty hot looking babes calling hello to Paul. We used to party in Ensenada after the race. He always had plenty of volunteers for that crew. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > Jon Brush >

mtkennedy1 wrote: > > We > would walk across the parking lot to the boats and there would always > be two or three > pretty hot looking babes calling hello to Paul. > Maybe it's our cool Cal boats that attract the women. The original owner of my Cal 20 never sailed without a "lady friend" aboard as crew. In fact, I remember him rejecting a used boat--the one that is my other boat--because it was too tender and might discourage his lady friends. Now, his crew didn't really qualify as "hot" because he was (in my eyes) far along toward geezer-dom even then (i.e., probably ten years younger than I am now), and the LFs were from the same age cohort. But at least he didn't lack for companionship. Chris Campbell

Ack, speaking of cold -- the fuel in one of my trucks gelled up tonite :-0 Not good. This new low sulfer crap they are making everyone use is bad stuff. It clouds up a lot earlier than the older stuff. You couldn't even see the bottom of the tanks. It's sitting in a warm shop for the night. Dumped a bunch of anti-gel in it.... Just thought I'd mention that part of cold diesels too. Best, Marsh Joe DeMers wrote: > >

and treat the fuel (rubs hands to warm them up)... Chuck Lennox wrote: > I guess this really applies to really cold weather. > Batteries need to be keep fully charged and warm. If I were to live in > truly cold area not only would I heat the engine (block heater) I > would also install a battery(s) blanket. Your battery will lose a > large percentage it's cranking amps has temps fall. > Chuck > 2-34 second Fiddle > > Joe DeMers <je… [at] mindspring.com> wrote: > > I occasionally travel to Long Island. > > Joe DeMers > Sound Marine Diesel LLC > www.soundmarinediesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Sail Away <mailto:Sv… [at] optonline.net> > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 9:19 PM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Starting Cold Diesel > Engines--Magnetic Block Heaters a Help? > > Yea Joe I will second that....however need you here on Long > Island!! > > Greg > 1986 P36-2 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: to… [at] aol.com <mailto:to… [at] aol.com> > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 11:20 AM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Starting Cold Diesel > Engines--Magnetic Block Heaters a Help? > > You've been such a great resource on the board Joe... sure > do appreciated it! > > The 'peel & stick' type of block heater you mentioned in > your post.... will it work on a Farymann A30 in a Cal 29? > > Joe, the only thing that really ticks me off about you, is > that you don't have your business here in the Puget Sound > area on the West Coast. ;-) We sure could use you here! > > Gregg & Dannae > Original owners > 1978 Cal 3-29 > Chaconne > > > In a message dated 2/3/2007 7:43:12 A.M. Pacific Standard > Time, je… [at] mindspring.com writes: > > I'm a dealer for Wolverine oil pan heaters. They are > 'peel and stick' type > installation onto the oil pan, and work very well, > while consuming MUCH less > power than the traditional block heaters. > > Joe DeMers > Sound Marine Diesel LLC > www.soundmarinediesel.com > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick > <http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/?fr=oni_on_mail&#news> in no time > with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. > <http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/?fr=oni_on_mail&#news> >

The ambient temp was in the single numbers when I woke in CT today. My Cummins powered diesel truck started immediately, due to the OEM intake air heater, and Stanadyne Performance Formula fuel additive. This additive lowers the pour point by 40* F, [ no problem with fuel gelling ] increases the cetane rating [ for easier starts, less smoke, more power ] and adds much needed lubricity to the fuel. Joe DeMers Sound Marine Diesel LLC www.soundmarinediesel.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Marsh Wise To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 8:50 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Starting Cold Diesel Engines--remember gelled fuel Ack, speaking of cold -- the fuel in one of my trucks gelled up tonite :-0 Not good. This new low sulfer crap they are making everyone use is bad stuff. It clouds up a lot earlier than the older stuff. You couldn't even see the bottom of the tanks. It's sitting in a warm shop for the night. Dumped a bunch of anti-gel in it.... Just thought I'd mention that part of cold diesels too. Best, Marsh Joe DeMers wrote:

yeah, my trucks HAD a nifty heated set up for the filters and lines but these inbreds that used to own them (Yellow Frieght/Penske) remmed it -- now we have to reconstruct it >:-0 Oh yeah, most of mine are "blue" engines :-) (Detroit... I'm biased) Marsh Joe DeMers wrote: > The ambient temp was in the single numbers when I woke in CT today. My > Cummins powered diesel truck started immediately, due to the OEM > intake air heater, and Stanadyne Performance Formula fuel additive. > > This additive lowers the pour point by 40* F, [ no problem with fuel > gelling ] increases the cetane rating [ for easier starts, less smoke, > more power ] and adds much needed lubricity to the fuel. > > Joe DeMers > Sound Marine Diesel LLC > www.soundmarinediesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Marsh Wise <mailto:ma… [at] reenactor.net> > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 8:50 PM > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Starting Cold Diesel Engines--remember gelled > fuel > > Ack, speaking of cold -- the fuel in one of my trucks gelled up > tonite :-0 Not good. This new low sulfer crap they are making > everyone use is bad stuff. It clouds up a lot earlier than the > older stuff. You couldn't even see the bottom of the tanks. It's > sitting in a warm shop for the night. Dumped a bunch of anti-gel > in it.... Just thought I'd mention that part of cold diesels too. > Best, Marsh > > Joe DeMers wrote: > >> >> >

I'm biased too, as we are Cummins / Mercruiser dealers. Ever use Wolverine oil pan heaters Marsh? Joe DeMers Sound Marine Diesel LLC www.soundmarinediesel.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Marsh Wise To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 9:14 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Starting Cold Diesel Engines--remember gelled fuel yeah, my trucks HAD a nifty heated set up for the filters and lines but these inbreds that used to own them (Yellow Frieght/Penske) remmed it -- now we have to reconstruct it >:-0 Oh yeah, most of mine are "blue" engines :-) (Detroit... I'm biased) Marsh Joe DeMers wrote: The ambient temp was in the single numbers when I woke in CT today. My Cummins powered diesel truck started immediately, due to the OEM intake air heater, and Stanadyne Performance Formula fuel additive. This additive lowers the pour point by 40* F, [ no problem with fuel gelling ] increases the cetane rating [ for easier starts, less smoke, more power ] and adds much needed lubricity to the fuel. Joe DeMers Sound Marine Diesel LLC www.soundmarinediesel.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Marsh Wise To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 8:50 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Starting Cold Diesel Engines--remember gelled fuel Ack, speaking of cold -- the fuel in one of my trucks gelled up tonite :-0 Not good. This new low sulfer crap they are making everyone use is bad stuff. It clouds up a lot earlier than the older stuff. You couldn't even see the bottom of the tanks. It's sitting in a warm shop for the night. Dumped a bunch of anti-gel in it.... Just thought I'd mention that part of cold diesels too. Best, Marsh Joe DeMers wrote:

I have a Yanmar 2GM20F. Is an engine driven compressor hard to hook up? Also, do you (or any other Cal listee) know if there is a hybrid arrangement for long periods at a dock with electricity. Thanks, Terry Spencer Capriccio Cal 2-29 From: "Joe DeMers" <je… [at] mindspring.com> Reply-To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 09:57:47 -0500 To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Additional Fresh water and refrigeration What engine is installed in your boat? The most efficient method of driving a refer compressor is directly off the engine. Joe DeMers Sound Marine Diesel LLC www.soundmarinediesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com> > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Terrence Spencer <mailto:ts… [at] harbornet.com> > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 1:11 PM > > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Additional Fresh water and refrigeration > > > > When my family and I go cruising, we like to be able to stay away from > civilization for several days at a time. Therefore, I want to get less > dependent upon stopping for ice and water. I am interested in list members > thoughts in two areas: > > Refrigeration > Have any of you added a refrigeration unit to your ice box. If so what > advice do you have? If you have a Cal 29, where did you locate the > compressor? > > Water Storage > How have some of you added water storage? Have any of you used the bladder > tanks? I am currently thinking about putting a 26 gallon tank back behind my > fuel tank on the floor of the lazarette locker. I would hook both tanks to a > T and be able to separately send water to my freshwater pump. Any thoughts? > > Thanks in advance for any thoughts you all might have. > > Terry Spencer > Capriccio > Cal 2-29

Cummins aren't bad motors, I just prefer the Detroit in a truck. Kinda like all the "Cat people :-0 No, how do they work? I am interested. My boss might very well go for it. Best, M. Joe DeMers wrote: > I'm biased too, as we are Cummins / Mercruiser dealers. > > Ever use Wolverine oil pan heaters Marsh? > > Joe DeMers > Sound Marine Diesel LLC > www.soundmarinediesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Marsh Wise <mailto:ma… [at] reenactor.net> > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 9:14 PM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Starting Cold Diesel Engines--remember > gelled fuel > > yeah, my trucks HAD a nifty heated set up for the filters and > lines but these inbreds that used to own them (Yellow > Frieght/Penske) remmed it -- now we have to reconstruct it >:-0 Oh > yeah, most of mine are "blue" engines :-) (Detroit... I'm biased) > Marsh > > Joe DeMers wrote: > >> The ambient temp was in the single numbers when I woke in CT >> today. My Cummins powered diesel truck started immediately, due >> to the OEM intake air heater, and Stanadyne Performance Formula >> fuel additive. >> >> This additive lowers the pour point by 40* F, [ no problem with >> fuel gelling ] increases the cetane rating [ for easier starts, >> less smoke, more power ] and adds much needed lubricity to the fuel. >> >> Joe DeMers >> Sound Marine Diesel LLC >> www.soundmarinediesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Marsh Wise <mailto:ma… [at] reenactor.net> >> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> >> Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 8:50 PM >> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Starting Cold Diesel Engines--remember >> gelled fuel >> >> Ack, speaking of cold -- the fuel in one of my trucks gelled >> up tonite :-0 Not good. This new low sulfer crap they are >> making everyone use is bad stuff. It clouds up a lot earlier >> than the older stuff. You couldn't even see the bottom of the >> tanks. It's sitting in a warm shop for the night. Dumped a >> bunch of anti-gel in it.... Just thought I'd mention that >> part of cold diesels too. >> Best, Marsh >> >> Joe DeMers wrote: >> >>> >>> >

Wolverine oil pan heaters use space age technology to heat an engine. Unlike the usual block heaters that install in place of a block plug, Wolverine heaters use minimal amounts of electricity, and are very easy to install. No draining of the coolant is required. They also cannot "burn out" like a conventional block heater. Just clean the paint off the oil pan where the heater will mount, then "peel and stick" the heater onto the oil pan. The heat produced is like placing the engine on a stove top - even heat, for elimination of dry starts, faster and easier engine cranking, less wear and tear on the starting system, elimination of condensation, etc. Send me your shipping address, and I will send one along for a free trial. Joe DeMers Sound Marine Diesel LLC www.soundmarinediesel.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Marsh Wise To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 11:56 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Detriot Diesel vrs Cummins and cold weather operation Cummins aren't bad motors, I just prefer the Detroit in a truck. Kinda like all the "Cat people :-0 No, how do they work? I am interested. My boss might very well go for it. Best, M. Joe DeMers wrote: I'm biased too, as we are Cummins / Mercruiser dealers. Ever use Wolverine oil pan heaters Marsh? Joe DeMers Sound Marine Diesel LLC www.soundmarinediesel.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Marsh Wise To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 9:14 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Starting Cold Diesel Engines--remember gelled fuel yeah, my trucks HAD a nifty heated set up for the filters and lines but these inbreds that used to own them (Yellow Frieght/Penske) remmed it -- now we have to reconstruct it >:-0 Oh yeah, most of mine are "blue" engines :-) (Detroit... I'm biased) Marsh Joe DeMers wrote: The ambient temp was in the single numbers when I woke in CT today. My Cummins powered diesel truck started immediately, due to the OEM intake air heater, and Stanadyne Performance Formula fuel additive. This additive lowers the pour point by 40* F, [ no problem with fuel gelling ] increases the cetane rating [ for easier starts, less smoke, more power ] and adds much needed lubricity to the fuel. Joe DeMers Sound Marine Diesel LLC www.soundmarinediesel.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Marsh Wise To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 8:50 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Starting Cold Diesel Engines--remember gelled fuel Ack, speaking of cold -- the fuel in one of my trucks gelled up tonite :-0 Not good. This new low sulfer crap they are making everyone use is bad stuff. It clouds up a lot earlier than the older stuff. You couldn't even see the bottom of the tanks. It's sitting in a warm shop for the night. Dumped a bunch of anti-gel in it.... Just thought I'd mention that part of cold diesels too. Best, Marsh Joe DeMers wrote:

Pray the power doesn't fail. We get strong northwest winds with the cold. Branches and trees on power lines and all that. I live at the end of the line, so failures are frequent. Cheers, Anyway Charlie Annapolis From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Lennox Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 1:38 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Starting Cold Diesel Engines--Lets not forget the Battery I guess this really applies to really cold weather. Batteries need to be keep fully charged and warm. If I were to live in truly cold area not only would I heat the engine (block heater) I would also install a battery(s) blanket. Your battery will lose a large percentage it's cranking amps has temps fall. Chuck 2-34 second Fiddle Joe DeMers <je… [at] mindspring.com> wrote: I occasionally travel to Long Island. Joe DeMers Sound Marine Diesel LLC www.soundmarinediesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/> ----- Original Message ----- From: Sail Away <mailto:Sv… [at] optonline.net> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 9:19 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Starting Cold Diesel Engines--Magnetic Block Heaters a Help? Yea Joe I will second that....however need you here on Long Island!! Greg 1986 P36-2 ----- Original Message ----- From: to… [at] aol.com <mailto:to… [at] aol.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Starting Cold Diesel Engines--Magnetic Block Heaters a Help? You've been such a great resource on the board Joe... sure do appreciated it! The 'peel & stick' type of block heater you mentioned in your post.... will it work on a Farymann A30 in a Cal 29? Joe, the only thing that really ticks me off about you, is that you don't have your business here in the Puget Sound area on the West Coast. ;-) We sure could use you here! Gregg & Dannae Original owners 1978 Cal 3-29 Chaconne In a message dated 2/3/2007 7:43:12 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, je… [at] mindspring.com writes: I'm a dealer for Wolverine oil pan heaters. They are 'peel and stick' type installation onto the oil pan, and work very well, while consuming MUCH less power than the traditional block heaters. Joe DeMers Sound Marine Diesel LLC www.soundmarinediesel.com 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick <http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/?fr=oni_on_mail&#news> in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. <http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/?fr=oni_on_mail&#news>

You need a diesel genset Charlie! Joe DeMers Sound Marine Diesel LLC www.soundmarinediesel.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Husar, Charlie To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 1:56 PM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Starting Cold Diesel Engines--Lets not forget the Battery Pray the power doesn't fail. We get strong northwest winds with the cold. Branches and trees on power lines and all that. I live at the end of the line, so failures are frequent. Cheers, Anyway Charlie Annapolis ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Lennox Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 1:38 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Starting Cold Diesel Engines--Lets not forget the Battery I guess this really applies to really cold weather. Batteries need to be keep fully charged and warm. If I were to live in truly cold area not only would I heat the engine (block heater) I would also install a battery(s) blanket. Your battery will lose a large percentage it's cranking amps has temps fall. Chuck 2-34 second Fiddle Joe DeMers <je… [at] mindspring.com> wrote: I occasionally travel to Long Island. Joe DeMers Sound Marine Diesel LLC www.soundmarinediesel.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Sail Away To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 9:19 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Starting Cold Diesel Engines--Magnetic Block Heaters a Help? Yea Joe I will second that....however need you here on Long Island!! Greg 1986 P36-2 ----- Original Message ----- From: to… [at] aol.com To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Starting Cold Diesel Engines--Magnetic Block Heaters a Help? You've been such a great resource on the board Joe... sure do appreciated it! The 'peel & stick' type of block heater you mentioned in your post.... will it work on a Farymann A30 in a Cal 29? Joe, the only thing that really ticks me off about you, is that you don't have your business here in the Puget Sound area on the West Coast. ;-) We sure could use you here! Gregg & Dannae Original owners 1978 Cal 3-29 Chaconne In a message dated 2/3/2007 7:43:12 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, je… [at] mindspring.com writes: I'm a dealer for Wolverine oil pan heaters. They are 'peel and stick' type installation onto the oil pan, and work very well, while consuming MUCH less power than the traditional block heaters. Joe DeMers Sound Marine Diesel LLC www.soundmarinediesel.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut.

Hi, Joe. Lemme guess. You're having a special on them? : - ] Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joe DeMers Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 1:59 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Starting Cold Diesel Engines--Lets not forget the Battery You need a diesel genset Charlie! Joe DeMers Sound Marine Diesel LLC www.soundmarinediesel.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Husar, Charlie <mailto:hu… [at] bah.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 1:56 PM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Starting Cold Diesel Engines--Lets not forget the Battery Pray the power doesn't fail. We get strong northwest winds with the cold. Branches and trees on power lines and all that. I live at the end of the line, so failures are frequent. Cheers, Anyway Charlie Annapolis From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Lennox Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 1:38 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Starting Cold Diesel Engines--Lets not forget the Battery I guess this really applies to really cold weather. Batteries need to be keep fully charged and warm. If I were to live in truly cold area not only would I heat the engine (block heater) I would also install a battery(s) blanket. Your battery will lose a large percentage it's cranking amps has temps fall. Chuck 2-34 second Fiddle Joe DeMers <je… [at] mindspring.com> wrote: I occasionally travel to Long Island. Joe DeMers Sound Marine Diesel LLC www.soundmarinediesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/> ----- Original Message ----- From: Sail Away <mailto:Sv… [at] optonline.net> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 9:19 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Starting Cold Diesel Engines--Magnetic Block Heaters a Help? Yea Joe I will second that....however need you here on Long Island!! Greg 1986 P36-2 ----- Original Message ----- From: to… [at] aol.com <mailto:to… [at] aol.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Starting Cold Diesel Engines--Magnetic Block Heaters a Help? You've been such a great resource on the board Joe... sure do appreciated it! The 'peel & stick' type of block heater you mentioned in your post.... will it work on a Farymann A30 in a Cal 29? Joe, the only thing that really ticks me off about you, is that you don't have your business here in the Puget Sound area on the West Coast. ;-) We sure could use you here! Gregg & Dannae Original owners 1978 Cal 3-29 Chaconne In a message dated 2/3/2007 7:43:12 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, je… [at] mindspring.com writes: I'm a dealer for Wolverine oil pan heaters. They are 'peel and stick' type installation onto the oil pan, and work very well, while consuming MUCH less power than the traditional block heaters. Joe DeMers Sound Marine Diesel LLC www.soundmarinediesel.com 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick <http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/?fr=oni_on_mail&#news> in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. <http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/?fr=oni_on_mail&#news>

Yep. Joe DeMers Sound Marine Diesel LLC www.soundmarinediesel.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Husar, Charlie To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 2:32 PM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Starting Cold Diesel Engines--Lets not forget the Battery Hi, Joe. Lemme guess. You're having a special on them? : - ] Cheers Charlie ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joe DeMers Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 1:59 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Starting Cold Diesel Engines--Lets not forget the Battery You need a diesel genset Charlie! Joe DeMers Sound Marine Diesel LLC www.soundmarinediesel.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Husar, Charlie To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 1:56 PM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Starting Cold Diesel Engines--Lets not forget the Battery Pray the power doesn't fail. We get strong northwest winds with the cold. Branches and trees on power lines and all that. I live at the end of the line, so failures are frequent. Cheers, Anyway Charlie Annapolis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Lennox Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 1:38 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Starting Cold Diesel Engines--Lets not forget the Battery I guess this really applies to really cold weather. Batteries need to be keep fully charged and warm. If I were to live in truly cold area not only would I heat the engine (block heater) I would also install a battery(s) blanket. Your battery will lose a large percentage it's cranking amps has temps fall. Chuck 2-34 second Fiddle Joe DeMers <je… [at] mindspring.com> wrote: I occasionally travel to Long Island. Joe DeMers Sound Marine Diesel LLC www.soundmarinediesel.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Sail Away To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 9:19 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Starting Cold Diesel Engines--Magnetic Block Heaters a Help? Yea Joe I will second that....however need you here on Long Island!! Greg 1986 P36-2 ----- Original Message ----- From: to… [at] aol.com To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Starting Cold Diesel Engines--Magnetic Block Heaters a Help? You've been such a great resource on the board Joe... sure do appreciated it! The 'peel & stick' type of block heater you mentioned in your post.... will it work on a Farymann A30 in a Cal 29? Joe, the only thing that really ticks me off about you, is that you don't have your business here in the Puget Sound area on the West Coast. ;-) We sure could use you here! Gregg & Dannae Original owners 1978 Cal 3-29 Chaconne In a message dated 2/3/2007 7:43:12 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, je… [at] mindspring.com writes: I'm a dealer for Wolverine oil pan heaters. They are 'peel and stick' type installation onto the oil pan, and work very well, while consuming MUCH less power than the traditional block heaters. Joe DeMers Sound Marine Diesel LLC www.soundmarinediesel.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut.

--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Husar, Charlie" <husar_charlie@...> wrote: > > Pray the power doesn't fail. > > We get strong northwest winds with the cold. Branches and trees on > power lines and all that. I live at the end of the line, so failures > are frequent. When I lived at the beach 20 years ago, we had overhead lines and frequent outages so I was thinking of getting a generator. I got divorced instead. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > Cheers, Anyway > Charlie > Annapolis >

Hi, Mike. Let me see. Wife... Generator... Generator... Wife.... I can see where such a choice might be made. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mtkennedy1 Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 3:06 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Starting Cold Diesel Engines--Lets not forget the Battery --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Husar, Charlie" <husar_charlie@...> wrote: > > Pray the power doesn't fail. > > We get strong northwest winds with the cold. Branches and trees on > power lines and all that. I live at the end of the line, so failures > are frequent. When I lived at the beach 20 years ago, we had overhead lines and frequent outages so I was thinking of getting a generator. I got divorced instead. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > Cheers, Anyway > Charlie > Annapolis > Yahoo! Groups Links

mtkennedy1 wrote: > > > When I lived at the beach 20 years ago, we had overhead lines and > frequent outages so I > was thinking of getting a generator. > > I got divorced instead. > Generators are cheaper, and you can use them the next time, too. So the moral is, if you get divorced, you don't care about being cold and in the dark? Chris Campbell

--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Chris Campbell <clcampbell@...> wrote: > > mtkennedy1 wrote: > > > > > > When I lived at the beach 20 years ago, we had overhead lines and > > frequent outages so I > > was thinking of getting a generator. > > > > I got divorced instead. > > > > Generators are cheaper, and you can use them the next time, too. > > So the moral is, if you get divorced, you don't care about being cold > and in the dark? You don't have a house anymore so why a generator ? The mystery of the shaft vibration on the 40 is starting to clear up. I had bad vibration when we went out a couple of months ago so I asked the mechanic folks to check the alignment, thinking maybe the hull had sagged in the year it was in the water. The entire propulsion system is new. Anyway, the guy came out and said the alignment was fine but I had "play" in the shaft and should not run the boat under power until it was fixed. I got the diver out to look and he said it was fine. Cutlass bearing looked new and no play in the shaft. Today, I finally got the rest of the story. When the mechanic disconnected the shaft from the V-drive, there was a lot of play at the inboard end. He said it dropped almost to the pan. I have a new dripless seal but I now wonder about the shaft log in the tube from seal to cutlass bearing. We are going to take it out tomorrow and run it and see how much vibration there is. If the shaft is loose in the shaft log, that may mean there is little support except the V-drive and cutlass bearing. Anybody know how much play there should be at the inboard end of the shaft in a Cal 40 when it is disconnected ? It would help if these guys would communicate. I was thinking play at the bearing, not inboard. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > Chris Campbell >

"He said it dropped almost to the pan." Mike when I was doing the V-Drive, I don't recall that the shaft had any noticeable play other than sliding fore and aft. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mtkennedy1 Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 4:14 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Starting Cold Diesel Engines--Lets not forget the Battery --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Chris Campbell <clcampbell@...> wrote: > > mtkennedy1 wrote: > > > > > > When I lived at the beach 20 years ago, we had overhead lines and > > frequent outages so I was thinking of getting a generator. > > > > I got divorced instead. > > > > Generators are cheaper, and you can use them the next time, too. > > So the moral is, if you get divorced, you don't care about being cold > and in the dark? You don't have a house anymore so why a generator ? The mystery of the shaft vibration on the 40 is starting to clear up. I had bad vibration when we went out a couple of months ago so I asked the mechanic folks to check the alignment, thinking maybe the hull had sagged in the year it was in the water. The entire propulsion system is new. Anyway, the guy came out and said the alignment was fine but I had "play" in the shaft and should not run the boat under power until it was fixed. I got the diver out to look and he said it was fine. Cutlass bearing looked new and no play in the shaft. Today, I finally got the rest of the story. When the mechanic disconnected the shaft from the V-drive, there was a lot of play at the inboard end. He said it dropped almost to the pan. I have a new dripless seal but I now wonder about the shaft log in the tube from seal to cutlass bearing. We are going to take it out tomorrow and run it and see how much vibration there is. If the shaft is loose in the shaft log, that may mean there is little support except the V-drive and cutlass bearing. Anybody know how much play there should be at the inboard end of the shaft in a Cal 40 when it is disconnected ? It would help if these guys would communicate. I was thinking play at the bearing, not inboard. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > Chris Campbell > Yahoo! Groups Links

Seems that play at the inboard end of the shaft when the shaft is disconnected from the v-drive should not contribute to excessive vibration. The shaft dripless seal or packing box (as the case may be) are not intended to act as load bearing components. If you run the engine without the shaft connected, and there is no excess vibration, one other thing to check would be that the shaft is not bent. It doesn't take much of a bent to produce vibration. If your v-drive is like mine, check that no one tried to improperly disassmble the flexible coupling. Such attempt can damage one or more of the flexible bits, leading to vibration. td From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Husar, Charlie Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 4:19 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: Starting Cold Diesel Engines--Lets not forget the Battery "He said it dropped almost to the pan." Mike when I was doing the V-Drive, I don't recall that the shaft had any noticeable play other than sliding fore and aft. Cheers Charlie From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com [mailto: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com] On Behalf Of mtkennedy1 Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 4:14 PM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Starting Cold Diesel Engines--Lets not forget the Battery --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com, Chris Campbell <clcampbell@...> wrote: > > mtkennedy1 wrote: > > > > > > When I lived at the beach 20 years ago, we had overhead lines and > > frequent outages so I was thinking of getting a generator. > > > > I got divorced instead. > > > > Generators are cheaper, and you can use them the next time, too. > > So the moral is, if you get divorced, you don't care about being cold > and in the dark? You don't have a house anymore so why a generator ? The mystery of the shaft vibration on the 40 is starting to clear up. I had bad vibration when we went out a couple of months ago so I asked the mechanic folks to check the alignment, thinking maybe the hull had sagged in the year it was in the water. The entire propulsion system is new. Anyway, the guy came out and said the alignment was fine but I had "play" in the shaft and should not run the boat under power until it was fixed. I got the diver out to look and he said it was fine. Cutlass bearing looked new and no play in the shaft. Today, I finally got the rest of the story. When the mechanic disconnected the shaft from the V-drive, there was a lot of play at the inboard end. He said it dropped almost to the pan. I have a new dripless seal but I now wonder about the shaft log in the tube from seal to cutlass bearing. We are going to take it out tomorrow and run it and see how much vibration there is. If the shaft is loose in the shaft log, that may mean there is little support except the V-drive and cutlass bearing. Anybody know how much play there should be at the inboard end of the shaft in a Cal 40 when it is disconnected ? It would help if these guys would communicate. I was thinking play at the bearing, not inboard. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > Chris Campbell > Yahoo! Groups Links DISCLAIMER: Important Notice ************************************************* This e-mail may contain information that is confidential, privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not an intended recipient of this e-mail, do not duplicate or redistribute it by any means. Please delete it and any attachments and notify the sender that you have received it in error. Unintended recipients are prohibited from taking action on the basis of information in this e-mail.E-mail messages may contain computer viruses or other defects, may not be accurately replicated on other systems, or may be intercepted, deleted or interfered with without the knowledge of the sender or the intended recipient. If you are not comfortable with the risks associated with e-mail messages, you may decide not to use e-mail to communicate with IPC. IPC reserves the right, to the extent and under circumstances permitted by applicable law, to retain, monitor and intercept e-mail messages to and from its systems.

--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Husar, Charlie" <husar_charlie@...> wrote: > > "He said it dropped almost to the pan." > > Mike when I was doing the V-Drive, I don't recall that the shaft had any > noticeable play other than sliding fore and aft. > > Cheers > Charlie If they had explained what they meant by "play" we would be much farther along in getting it fixed. There is a tube that runs in the hull and the dripless seal attaches to. That whole thing must be moving. Fin replaced his a couple of years ago and it had to be driven out. This sounds like it is loose in the hull tube. I had felt there was a sort of sine wave vibration when we were powering up from Newport in 2005 but the time under power has been very small. It sounds now like the support is cutlass bearing and V-drive with nothing between. MIke Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96

--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Downing, Thomas" <Thomas.Downing@...> wrote: > > Seems that play at the inboard end of the shaft when the shaft is disconnected > from the v-drive should not contribute to excessive vibration. The shaft dripless > seal or packing box (as the case may be) are not intended to act as load > bearing components. I don't know if that's true but at least I know now what the guy found. I could have saved the diver trip. > > If you run the engine without the shaft connected, and there is no excess vibration, > one other thing to check would be that the shaft is not bent. It doesn't take > much of a bent to produce vibration. It's a new stainless shaft and it's hard to see what would happen to it. The boat has basically been a hanger queen for 2 1/2 years. > > If your v-drive is like mine, check that no one tried to improperly disassmble the > flexible coupling. Such attempt can damage one or more of the flexible bits, > leading to vibration. The guys who checked it are the dealers for Yanmar so they should get it right. I'll know more tomorrow but am a bit frustrated that it took a couple of weeks to find out what he was talking about. MIke Kenndy Conquest Cal 40 # 96

Terry, You might want to go to http://www.dometicusa.com They have a variety of refridgerators. Look in both the marine and RV product lists. The model RM2354 is 3-Way (LP/120V AC/12V DC). They have others models with different power sources to suit your needs. Graham Nefertiti Cal 2-29 --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Terrence Spencer <tspencer@...> wrote: > > > When my family and I go cruising, we like to be able to stay away from > civilization for several days at a time. Therefore, I want to get less > dependent upon stopping for ice and water. I am interested in list members > thoughts in two areas: > > Refrigeration > Have any of you added a refrigeration unit to your ice box. If so what > advice do you have? If you have a Cal 29, where did you locate the > compressor? > > Water Storage > How have some of you added water storage? Have any of you used the bladder > tanks? I am currently thinking about putting a 26 gallon tank back behind > my fuel tank on the floor of the lazarette locker. I would hook both tanks > to a T and be able to separately send water to my freshwater pump. Any > thoughts? > > Thanks in advance for any thoughts you all might have. > > Terry Spencer > Capriccio > Cal 2-29 >