Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 Rigging Question

Al: I will be going to the boat this weekend and I will bring theowners manual home an hopefully take it to work to get it scanned. I will post the manual on this site for all to use. Ron S/V Stellar of Course From: Al Waschka <aw… [at] bellsouth.net> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 10:10:03 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 Rigging Question Ron, My manual does not have that drawing. Could I prevail upon you to send me a copy of the scan as well? I don't think my boat is rigged that way. Thanks, Al tr… [at] sbcglobal.net wrote: Ron, Al, Harleigh, John,Thanks for the responses to my question. I thought there might be some traveling block assembly inside the boom, and Ron, you've confirmed this. I put the main on today, but didn't tackle the reefing lines. I'll get at this tomorrow. Ron, thanks for the detailed explanation. I'll try to follow this with the lines tomorrow. As you said, it is not really obvious how all of this connects. Ron, I have an owner's manual for this boat, which is a 1986 version. I'm not sure how accurate it is, though. For example, it shows a drawing of the masthead fitting, showing the sheaves. The drawing identifies the masthead as for an O'Day 34, and I know for a fact that my mast head fitting is not arranged like this. I have a drawing of the boom, but, again, it is not too clear from this drawing. Your later boat may have better and more correct drawings. Thanks all,Travis From: Ronald Eddleman To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 6:30 PM Subject: Fw: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 Rigging Question ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Ronald Eddleman <ron_1056@yahoo. com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 11:05:45 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 Rigging Question Travis: The last two are probably for your two reef points. The reefings system on the Cal 33-2 is not easy to describe but I will try. The reef system is designed so you can reef the main by using only one line that can be fed to the cockpit.It works like this. There are two reef lines and a traveling block inside the boom. Let's take the aft reef line first. This line attaches to the bail on the boom, goes up thru the reef gromment and then back to the end of the boom. Here it goes thru the sheaves and to the traveling block inside the boom and then back out the end of the boom where it is secured by a stopper knot, Now for the forward reef line as it is abit more complex and I dont have the drawings at home with me. .I will bring them home and scan them so I can send to you. The concept is the same except there are a few extra blocks to deal with. I think I remember it this way, The reef line goes to the base of the mast, thru a truning block, up to the reef gromment, down to a truning block on the aft side of the mast, up to front of the boom, thru the sheave, around the traveling block, back out the front of the boom , thru the sheave, then down thru a small eyelet and then a stopper knot. As you have two reef points you will have this system doubled. The idea is that when you start pulling on the forward reef line it will bring the traveling block forward, which will bring the aft reef gromment down. At the same time it will bring the froward reef gromment down. The length of the aft line needs to be adjust just right. If the line is two long the traveling block will bottom at at the front of the boom before the aft reef gromment reaches the boom. Complex system but it allows you to reef from the cockpit. The system wooks OK taking in a reef but I find it has to much friction to easaly shake out a reef. On my boat the reef lines are 1/2" and I plan to replace them with 3/8" in the future. I hope that will reduce the friction. But this means removing the end fitting on the boom by drilling out the rivits so I can get to the two traveling blocks. As I said I have the original owners manuals for this boat, I will try to get it scanned so I can send it to you, it covers all the rigging, plumbing and electrical on the boat. Any way to answer you question, the last two bails are for the reefing system. Good luck, we hope to pictures soon. Ron Eddleman S/V Stellar of Course From: Travis <travlin74@sbcglobal .net> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 7:49:10 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 Rigging Question Hi all, My boat is splashed and I'm rigging the boat. Plan to bend on the sails in next day or two and actually go sailing! I wasn't around for all of the de-rigging, and I don't have diagrams. On the boom, there are six bails on the track at the bottom of the ISOMAT boom. I can account for four of them: The one nearest the boom, I suspect is for vang attachment. The next three going toward the stern are for the mainsheet. The last two, I don't know. What attaches to those? Also, there are two reef points and I am not clear how these lines are attached. Can anyone help me with this? Thanks, Travis Porter Never Miss an Email Stay connected with Yahoo! Mail on your mobile. Get started! Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut. Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396546091

Hi Travis: In addition to John Raxter's upside-down bowline approach for attaching reefing, you might want to consider (at least for one end) a buntline hitch (see: http://www.animatedknots.com/buntlineboating/index.php?LogoImage=LogoGrog.jpg&Website=www.animatedknots.com for an example.) I'm assuming your sail mounts on the boom with a bolt rope sliding in a groove. And, as Jerry Sobel mentioned, if your sail is loose-footed, do not [I say again, NOT] tie any reefing line around the boom. Instead, tie the bunt of the sail up on itself. Jon Myers Cal 29 ballast @ GOBR From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of tr… [at] sbcglobal.net Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 12:47 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 Rigging Question John, Thanks for this tip on the bowlines. My intent was to get at this today. In the am, though, I knew I had a leak around the raw water pump, so I checked it out, hoping it was something like a hose connection. This leak increases with engine rpm. Turns out that water was coming out the weep hole in the pump body--hopefully only one of the internal seals has failed. The seals are about $10 vs. $335 for the new pump. I now know the source of the water which filled the pan below the engine and spilled over onto the cabin sole. The PO thought it was from the stuffing box, but clearly, this is the source of the leak. I got the seals ordered, along with new hoses as well. Also, when the mast was stepped we did not immediately install the turnbuckle linking the mast collar to the mast below the cabin top. Mistake! Then we proceeded to tune the rig at the dock. Today, I proceeded to install the turnbuckle but now find that there is not enough clearance from the front of the mast to the back of the collar to get the turnbuckle in. Likely will have to remove the mast boot and wedges and move the mast back a bit to create enough clearance. Ahhhh! Later in the day, it started raining, so I am deferring my reefing line work until tomorrow when the rain quits. I really appreciate the help from the folks on the group. Hopefully, as I become more knowledgeable about the boat I can contribute to the list. Travis From: John Raxter <mailto:jr… [at] triad.rr.com> ~~~~~_/)~~~~ To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> ps.com Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 7:13 PM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 Rigging Question Travis, I hope you have this figured out by now. You have some very good advice and descriptions of the reefing system on our Cal 33. One caveat that I would like to point out; Tie a bowline around your boom, through the bail on the boom directly under the cringle. The trick is to tie the bowline, upside down and the other has to be "Backwards" from the first. It takes knot tying challenge to new level. ; ) Someone else pointed out the ½" line may be a tad oversized. It's easy to reef and hard to shake out. I was able to work one of the traveling block to the back of the boom and our through the opening to re-reeve a line that got hopelessly twisted. Drilling out the end cap was not necessary to remove the block. Let us know how the commissioning goes. John Raxter Cal 33 Oriental NC _____ From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tr… [at] sbcglobal.net Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 10:18 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 Rigging Question Ron, Al, Harleigh, John, Thanks for the responses to my question. I thought there might be some traveling block assembly inside the boom, and Ron, you've confirmed this. I put the main on today, but didn't tackle the reefing lines. I'll get at this tomorrow. Ron, thanks for the detailed explanation. I'll try to follow this with the lines tomorrow. As you said, it is not really obvious how all of this connects. Ron, I have an owner's manual for this boat, which is a 1986 version. I'm not sure how accurate it is, though. For example, it shows a drawing of the masthead fitting, showing the sheaves. The drawing identifies the masthead as for an O'Day 34, and I know for a fact that my mast head fitting is not arranged like this. I have a drawing of the boom, but, again, it is not too clear from this drawing. Your later boat may have better and more correct drawings. Thanks all, Travis From: Ronald <mailto:ro… [at] yahoo.com> Eddleman To: Cal_boats@yahoogrou <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> ps.com Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 6:30 PM Subject: Fw: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 Rigging Question ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Ronald Eddleman < ron_1056@yahoo. <mailto:ro… [at] yahoo.com> com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> ps.com Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 11:05:45 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 Rigging Question Travis: The last two are probably for your two reef points. The reefings system on the Cal 33-2 is not easy to describe but I will try. The reef system is designed so you can reef the main by using only one line that can be fed to the cockpit.It works like this. There are two reef lines and a traveling block inside the boom. Let's take the aft reef line first. This line attaches to the bail on the boom, goes up thru the reef gromment and then back to the end of the boom. Here it goes thru the sheaves and to the traveling block inside the boom and then back out the end of the boom where it is secured by a stopper knot, Now for the forward reef line as it is abit more complex and I dont have the drawings at home with me. .I will bring them home and scan them so I can send to you. The concept is the same except there are a few extra blocks to deal with. I think I remember it this way, The reef line goes to the base of the mast, thru a truning block, up to the reef gromment, down to a truning block on the aft side of the mast, up to front of the boom, thru the sheave, around the traveling block, back out the front of the boom , thru the sheave, then down thru a small eyelet and then a stopper knot. As you have two reef points you will have this system doubled. The idea is that when you start pulling on the forward reef line it will bring the traveling block forward, which will bring the aft reef gromment down. At the same time it will bring the froward reef gromment down. The length of the aft line needs to be adjust just right. If the line is two long the traveling block will bottom at at the front of the boom before the aft reef gromment reaches the boom. Complex system but it allows you to reef from the cockpit. The system wooks OK taking in a reef but I find it has to much friction to easaly shake out a reef. On my boat the reef lines are 1/2" and I plan to replace them with 3/8" in the future. I hope that will reduce the friction. But this means removing the end fitting on the boom by drilling out the rivits so I can get to the two traveling blocks. As I said I have the original owners manuals for this boat, I will try to get it scanned so I can send it to you, it covers all the rigging, plumbing and electrical on the boat. Any way to answer you question, the last two bails are for the reefing system. Good luck, we hope to pictures soon. Ron Eddleman S/V Stellar of Course From: Travis <tr… [at] sbcglobal.net> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 7:49:10 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 Rigging Question Hi all, My boat is splashed and I'm rigging the boat. Plan to bend on the sails in next day or two and actually go sailing! I wasn't around for all of the de-rigging, and I don't have diagrams. On the boom, there are six bails on the track at the bottom of the ISOMAT boom. I can account for four of them: The one nearest the boom, I suspect is for vang attachment. The next three going toward the stern are for the mainsheet. The last two, I don't know. What attaches to those? Also, there are two reef points and I am not clear how these lines are attached. Can anyone help me with this? Thanks, Travis Porter _____ Never Miss an Email Stay connected with Yahoo! Mail on your mobile. Get started! <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=43909/*http:/mobile.yahoo.com/services?promote=mail> _____ Don't get soaked. 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Travis I went trhough this last summer, try to taking the turnbuckel apart, you may be able to install the top, with the mast in place, also remove the jam nuts and either drill the lower shank for a split ring or safety with there was not room to adjust the nut with my mast in place. I am home snow bound and working on computer so if you have problem e-mail me I may be able to suggest solutions eric Lite Years

Hi Ron Good to hear from you! We have a 1986 Cal 33-2, and sail western lake Erie, around the islands. We have not raced yet. I have raced other boats, like you we would just do regattas, for fun and parties. Here is an interesting fact, our boats have exactly the same sail plan as the new hot c&c 99, and surprisingly the weight and hull dimensions are not that much different. I think when I get a folding or feathering prop she will do nicely for some fun racing, I am pretty serious about it, I do not allow any beer on deck until after we round the weather mark! That overnighter sounds cool, I have only done a couple of overnight sails, they weren't that far. I need to look and see what I have at work and will send them as well. looks like most are at work, I am afraid I don't have pic's of work I have done, when spring hits I will get some. Eric Lite Years