Fw: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 Rigging Question

----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Ronald Eddleman <ro… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 11:05:45 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 Rigging Question Travis: The last two are probably for your two reef points. The reefings system on the Cal 33-2 is not easy to describe but I will try. The reef system is designed so you can reef the main by using only one line that can be fed to the cockpit.It works like this. There are two reef lines and a traveling block inside the boom. Let's take the aft reef line first. This line attaches to the bail on the boom, goes up thru the reef gromment and then back to the end of the boom. Here it goes thru the sheaves and to the traveling block inside the boom and then back out the end of the boom where it is secured by a stopper knot, Now for the forward reef line as it is abit more complex and I dont have the drawings at home with me. .I will bring them home and scan them so I can send to you. The concept is the same except there are a few extra blocks to deal with. I think I remember it this way, The reef line goes to the base of the mast, thru a truning block, up to the reef gromment, down to a truning block on the aft side of the mast, up to front of the boom, thru the sheave, around the traveling block, back out the front of the boom , thru the sheave, then down thru a small eyelet and then a stopper knot. As you have two reef points you will have this system doubled. The idea is that when you start pulling on the forward reef line it will bring the traveling block forward, which will bring the aft reef gromment down. At the same time it will bring the froward reef gromment down. The length of the aft line needs to be adjust just right. If the line is two long the traveling block will bottom at at the front of the boom before the aft reef gromment reaches the boom. Complex system but it allows you to reef from the cockpit. The system wooks OK taking in a reef but I find it has to much friction to easaly shake out a reef. On my boat the reef lines are 1/2" and I plan to replace them with 3/8" in the future. I hope that will reduce the friction. But this means removing the end fitting on the boom by drilling out the rivits so I can get to the two traveling blocks. As I said I have the original owners manuals for this boat, I will try to get it scanned so I can send it to you, it covers all the rigging, plumbing and electrical on the boat. Any way to answer you question, the last two bails are for the reefing system. Good luck, we hope to pictures soon. Ron Eddleman S/V Stellar of Course From: Travis <tr… [at] sbcglobal.net> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 7:49:10 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 Rigging Question Hi all, My boat is splashed and I'm rigging the boat. Plan to bend on the sails in next day or two and actually go sailing! I wasn't around for all of the de-rigging, and I don't have diagrams. On the boom, there are six bails on the track at the bottom of the ISOMAT boom. I can account for four of them: The one nearest the boom, I suspect is for vang attachment. The next three going toward the stern are for the mainsheet. The last two, I don't know. What attaches to those? Also, there are two reef points and I am not clear how these lines are attached. Can anyone help me with this? Thanks, Travis Porter Never Miss an Email Stay connected with Yahoo! Mail on your mobile. Get started! Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396546091

Ron, Al, Harleigh, John, Thanks for the responses to my question. I thought there might be some traveling block assembly inside the boom, and Ron, you've confirmed this. I put the main on today, but didn't tackle the reefing lines. I'll get at this tomorrow. Ron, thanks for the detailed explanation. I'll try to follow this with the lines tomorrow. As you said, it is not really obvious how all of this connects. Ron, I have an owner's manual for this boat, which is a 1986 version. I'm not sure how accurate it is, though. For example, it shows a drawing of the masthead fitting, showing the sheaves. The drawing identifies the masthead as for an O'Day 34, and I know for a fact that my mast head fitting is not arranged like this. I have a drawing of the boom, but, again, it is not too clear from this drawing. Your later boat may have better and more correct drawings. Thanks all, Travis ----- Original Message ----- From: Ronald Eddleman To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 6:30 PM Subject: Fw: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 Rigging Question ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Ronald Eddleman <ro… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 11:05:45 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 Rigging Question Travis: The last two are probably for your two reef points. The reefings system on the Cal 33-2 is not easy to describe but I will try. The reef system is designed so you can reef the main by using only one line that can be fed to the cockpit.It works like this. There are two reef lines and a traveling block inside the boom. Let's take the aft reef line first. This line attaches to the bail on the boom, goes up thru the reef gromment and then back to the end of the boom. Here it goes thru the sheaves and to the traveling block inside the boom and then back out the end of the boom where it is secured by a stopper knot, Now for the forward reef line as it is abit more complex and I dont have the drawings at home with me. .I will bring them home and scan them so I can send to you. The concept is the same except there are a few extra blocks to deal with. I think I remember it this way, The reef line goes to the base of the mast, thru a truning block, up to the reef gromment, down to a truning block on the aft side of the mast, up to front of the boom, thru the sheave, around the traveling block, back out the front of the boom , thru the sheave, then down thru a small eyelet and then a stopper knot. As you have two reef points you will have this system doubled. The idea is that when you start pulling on the forward reef line it will bring the traveling block forward, which will bring the aft reef gromment down. At the same time it will bring the froward reef gromment down. The length of the aft line needs to be adjust just right. If the line is two long the traveling block will bottom at at the front of the boom before the aft reef gromment reaches the boom. Complex system but it allows you to reef from the cockpit. The system wooks OK taking in a reef but I find it has to much friction to easaly shake out a reef. On my boat the reef lines are 1/2" and I plan to replace them with 3/8" in the future. I hope that will reduce the friction. But this means removing the end fitting on the boom by drilling out the rivits so I can get to the two traveling blocks. As I said I have the original owners manuals for this boat, I will try to get it scanned so I can send it to you, it covers all the rigging, plumbing and electrical on the boat. Any way to answer you question, the last two bails are for the reefing system. Good luck, we hope to pictures soon. Ron Eddleman S/V Stellar of Course ----- Original Message ---- From: Travis <tr… [at] sbcglobal.net> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 7:49:10 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 Rigging Question Hi all, My boat is splashed and I'm rigging the boat. Plan to bend on the sails in next day or two and actually go sailing! I wasn't around for all of the de-rigging, and I don't have diagrams. On the boom, there are six bails on the track at the bottom of the ISOMAT boom. I can account for four of them: The one nearest the boom, I suspect is for vang attachment. The next three going toward the stern are for the mainsheet. The last two, I don't know. What attaches to those? Also, there are two reef points and I am not clear how these lines are attached. Can anyone help me with this? Thanks, Travis Porter ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Never Miss an Email Stay connected with Yahoo! Mail on your mobile. Get started! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.

Ron, My manual does not have that drawing. Could I prevail upon you to send me a copy of the scan as well? I don't think my boat is rigged that way. Thanks, Al tr… [at] sbcglobal.net wrote: > Ron, Al, Harleigh, John,Thanks for the responses to my question. I > thought there might be some traveling block assembly inside the boom, > and Ron, you've confirmed this. I put the main on today, but didn't > tackle the reefing lines. I'll get at this tomorrow. Ron, thanks for > the detailed explanation. I'll try to follow this with the lines > tomorrow. As you said, it is not really obvious how all of this > connects. Ron, I have an owner's manual for this boat, which is a > 1986 version. I'm not sure how accurate it is, though. For example, > it shows a drawing of the masthead fitting, showing the sheaves. The > drawing identifies the masthead as for an O'Day 34, and I know for a > fact that my mast head fitting is not arranged like this. I have a > drawing of the boom, but, again, it is not too clear from this > drawing. Your later boat may have better and more correct > drawings. Thanks all,Travis > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ronald Eddleman > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 6:30 PM > Subject: Fw: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 Rigging Question > > > > ----- Forwarded Message ---- > From: Ronald Eddleman <ro… [at] yahoo.com> > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 11:05:45 AM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 Rigging Question > > Travis: > > The last two are probably for your two reef points. The > reefings system on the Cal 33-2 is not easy to describe but > I will try. > > The reef system is designed so you can reef the main by > using only one line that can be fed to the cockpit.It works > like this. There are two reef lines and a traveling block > inside the boom. > > Let's take the aft reef line first. This line attaches to > the bail on the boom, goes up thru the reef gromment and > then back to the end of the boom. Here it goes thru the > sheaves and to the traveling block inside the boom and then > back out the end of the boom where it is secured by a > stopper knot, > > Now for the forward reef line as it is abit more complex and > I dont have the drawings at home with me. .I will bring them > home and scan them so I can send to you. The concept is the > same except there are a few extra blocks to deal with. I > think I remember it this way, The reef line goes to the base > of the mast, thru a truning block, up to the reef gromment, > down to a truning block on the aft side of the mast, up to > front of the boom, thru the sheave, around the traveling > block, back out the front of the boom , thru the sheave, > then down thru a small eyelet and then a stopper knot. > > As you have two reef points you will have this system > doubled. > > The idea is that when you start pulling on the forward reef > line it will bring the traveling block forward, which will > bring the aft reef gromment down. At the same time it will > bring the froward reef gromment down. The length of the aft > line needs to be adjust just right. If the line is two long > the traveling block will bottom at at the front of the boom > before the aft reef gromment reaches the boom. > > Complex system but it allows you to reef from the cockpit. > > The system wooks OK taking in a reef but I find it has to > much friction to easaly shake out a reef. On my boat the > reef lines are 1/2" and I plan to replace them with 3/8" in > the future. I hope that will reduce the friction. But this > means removing the end fitting on the boom by drilling out > the rivits so I can get to the two traveling blocks. > As I said I have the original owners manuals for this boat, > I will try to get it scanned so I can send it to you, it > covers all the rigging, plumbing and electrical on the boat. > > Any way to answer you question, the last two bails are for > the reefing system. > > Good luck, we hope to pictures soon. > > Ron Eddleman > S/V Stellar of Course > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Travis <tr… [at] sbcglobal.net> > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 7:49:10 AM > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 Rigging Question > > Hi all, > My boat is splashed and I'm rigging the boat. Plan to bend > on the > sails in next day or two and actually go sailing! I wasn't > around for > all of the de-rigging, and I don't have diagrams. On the > boom, there > are six bails on the track at the bottom of the ISOMAT boom. > I can > account for four of them: The one nearest the boom, I > suspect is for > vang attachment. The next three going toward the stern are > for the > mainsheet. The last two, I don't know. What attaches to > those? > Also, there are two reef points and I am not clear how these > lines are > attached. Can anyone help me with this? > > Thanks, > Travis Porter > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > Never Miss an Email > Stay connected with Yahoo! Mail on your mobile. Get started! > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast > with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut. > >

Travis, I hope you have this figured out by now. You have some very good advice and descriptions of the reefing system on our Cal 33. One caveat that I would like to point out; Tie a bowline around your boom, through the bail on the boom directly under the cringle. The trick is to tie the bowline, upside down and the other has to be “Backwards” from the first. It takes knot tying challenge to new level. ; ) Someone else pointed out the ½” line may be a tad oversized. It’s easy to reef and hard to shake out. I was able to work one of the traveling block to the back of the boom and our through the opening to re-reeve a line that got hopelessly twisted. Drilling out the end cap was not necessary to remove the block. Let us know how the commissioning goes. John Raxter Cal 33 Oriental NC _____ From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tr… [at] sbcglobal.net Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 10:18 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 Rigging Question Ron, Al, Harleigh, John, Thanks for the responses to my question. I thought there might be some traveling block assembly inside the boom, and Ron, you've confirmed this. I put the main on today, but didn't tackle the reefing lines. I'll get at this tomorrow. Ron, thanks for the detailed explanation. I'll try to follow this with the lines tomorrow. As you said, it is not really obvious how all of this connects. Ron, I have an owner's manual for this boat, which is a 1986 version. I'm not sure how accurate it is, though. For example, it shows a drawing of the masthead fitting, showing the sheaves. The drawing identifies the masthead as for an O'Day 34, and I know for a fact that my mast head fitting is not arranged like this. I have a drawing of the boom, but, again, it is not too clear from this drawing. Your later boat may have better and more correct drawings. Thanks all, Travis From: Ronald Eddleman <mailto:ro… [at] yahoo.com> To: Cal_boats@yahoogrou <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> ps.com Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 6:30 PM Subject: Fw: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 Rigging Question ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Ronald Eddleman <ron_1056@yahoo. <mailto:ro… [at] yahoo.com> com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> ps.com Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 11:05:45 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 Rigging Question Travis: The last two are probably for your two reef points. The reefings system on the Cal 33-2 is not easy to describe but I will try. The reef system is designed so you can reef the main by using only one line that can be fed to the cockpit.It works like this. There are two reef lines and a traveling block inside the boom. Let's take the aft reef line first. This line attaches to the bail on the boom, goes up thru the reef gromment and then back to the end of the boom. Here it goes thru the sheaves and to the traveling block inside the boom and then back out the end of the boom where it is secured by a stopper knot, Now for the forward reef line as it is abit more complex and I dont have the drawings at home with me. .I will bring them home and scan them so I can send to you. The concept is the same except there are a few extra blocks to deal with. I think I remember it this way, The reef line goes to the base of the mast, thru a truning block, up to the reef gromment, down to a truning block on the aft side of the mast, up to front of the boom, thru the sheave, around the traveling block, back out the front of the boom , thru the sheave, then down thru a small eyelet and then a stopper knot. As you have two reef points you will have this system doubled. The idea is that when you start pulling on the forward reef line it will bring the traveling block forward, which will bring the aft reef gromment down. At the same time it will bring the froward reef gromment down. The length of the aft line needs to be adjust just right. If the line is two long the traveling block will bottom at at the front of the boom before the aft reef gromment reaches the boom. Complex system but it allows you to reef from the cockpit. The system wooks OK taking in a reef but I find it has to much friction to easaly shake out a reef. On my boat the reef lines are 1/2" and I plan to replace them with 3/8" in the future. I hope that will reduce the friction. But this means removing the end fitting on the boom by drilling out the rivits so I can get to the two traveling blocks. As I said I have the original owners manuals for this boat, I will try to get it scanned so I can send it to you, it covers all the rigging, plumbing and electrical on the boat. Any way to answer you question, the last two bails are for the reefing system. Good luck, we hope to pictures soon. Ron Eddleman S/V Stellar of Course From: Travis <tr… [at] sbcglobal.net> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 7:49:10 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 Rigging Question Hi all, My boat is splashed and I'm rigging the boat. Plan to bend on the sails in next day or two and actually go sailing! I wasn't around for all of the de-rigging, and I don't have diagrams. On the boom, there are six bails on the track at the bottom of the ISOMAT boom. I can account for four of them: The one nearest the boom, I suspect is for vang attachment. The next three going toward the stern are for the mainsheet. The last two, I don't know. What attaches to those? Also, there are two reef points and I am not clear how these lines are attached. Can anyone help me with this? Thanks, Travis Porter _____ Never Miss an Email Stay connected with Yahoo! Mail on your mobile. 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John, Thanks for this tip on the bowlines. My intent was to get at this today. In the am, though, I knew I had a leak around the raw water pump, so I checked it out, hoping it was something like a hose connection. This leak increases with engine rpm. Turns out that water was coming out the weep hole in the pump body--hopefully only one of the internal seals has failed. The seals are about $10 vs. $335 for the new pump. I now know the source of the water which filled the pan below the engine and spilled over onto the cabin sole. The PO thought it was from the stuffing box, but clearly, this is the source of the leak. I got the seals ordered, along with new hoses as well. Also, when the mast was stepped we did not immediately install the turnbuckle linking the mast collar to the mast below the cabin top. Mistake! Then we proceeded to tune the rig at the dock. Today, I proceeded to install the turnbuckle but now find that there is not enough clearance from the front of the mast to the back of the collar to get the turnbuckle in. Likely will have to remove the mast boot and wedges and move the mast back a bit to create enough clearance. Ahhhh! Later in the day, it started raining, so I am deferring my reefing line work until tomorrow when the rain quits. I really appreciate the help from the folks on the group. Hopefully, as I become more knowledgeable about the boat I can contribute to the list. Travis ----- Original Message ----- From: John Raxter ~~~~~_/)~~~~ To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 7:13 PM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 Rigging Question Travis, I hope you have this figured out by now. You have some very good advice and descriptions of the reefing system on our Cal 33. One caveat that I would like to point out; Tie a bowline around your boom, through the bail on the boom directly under the cringle. The trick is to tie the bowline, upside down and the other has to be "Backwards" from the first. It takes knot tying challenge to new level. ; ) Someone else pointed out the ½" line may be a tad oversized. It's easy to reef and hard to shake out. I was able to work one of the traveling block to the back of the boom and our through the opening to re-reeve a line that got hopelessly twisted. Drilling out the end cap was not necessary to remove the block. Let us know how the commissioning goes. John Raxter Cal 33 Oriental NC ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tr… [at] sbcglobal.net Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 10:18 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 Rigging Question Ron, Al, Harleigh, John, Thanks for the responses to my question. I thought there might be some traveling block assembly inside the boom, and Ron, you've confirmed this. I put the main on today, but didn't tackle the reefing lines. I'll get at this tomorrow. Ron, thanks for the detailed explanation. I'll try to follow this with the lines tomorrow. As you said, it is not really obvious how all of this connects. Ron, I have an owner's manual for this boat, which is a 1986 version. I'm not sure how accurate it is, though. For example, it shows a drawing of the masthead fitting, showing the sheaves. The drawing identifies the masthead as for an O'Day 34, and I know for a fact that my mast head fitting is not arranged like this. I have a drawing of the boom, but, again, it is not too clear from this drawing. Your later boat may have better and more correct drawings. Thanks all, Travis ----- Original Message ----- From: Ronald Eddleman To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 6:30 PM Subject: Fw: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 Rigging Question ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Ronald Eddleman <ro… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 11:05:45 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 Rigging Question Travis: The last two are probably for your two reef points. The reefings system on the Cal 33-2 is not easy to describe but I will try. The reef system is designed so you can reef the main by using only one line that can be fed to the cockpit.It works like this. There are two reef lines and a traveling block inside the boom. Let's take the aft reef line first. This line attaches to the bail on the boom, goes up thru the reef gromment and then back to the end of the boom. Here it goes thru the sheaves and to the traveling block inside the boom and then back out the end of the boom where it is secured by a stopper knot, Now for the forward reef line as it is abit more complex and I dont have the drawings at home with me. .I will bring them home and scan them so I can send to you. The concept is the same except there are a few extra blocks to deal with. I think I remember it this way, The reef line goes to the base of the mast, thru a truning block, up to the reef gromment, down to a truning block on the aft side of the mast, up to front of the boom, thru the sheave, around the traveling block, back out the front of the boom , thru the sheave, then down thru a small eyelet and then a stopper knot. As you have two reef points you will have this system doubled. The idea is that when you start pulling on the forward reef line it will bring the traveling block forward, which will bring the aft reef gromment down. At the same time it will bring the froward reef gromment down. The length of the aft line needs to be adjust just right. If the line is two long the traveling block will bottom at at the front of the boom before the aft reef gromment reaches the boom. Complex system but it allows you to reef from the cockpit. The system wooks OK taking in a reef but I find it has to much friction to easaly shake out a reef. On my boat the reef lines are 1/2" and I plan to replace them with 3/8" in the future. I hope that will reduce the friction. But this means removing the end fitting on the boom by drilling out the rivits so I can get to the two traveling blocks. As I said I have the original owners manuals for this boat, I will try to get it scanned so I can send it to you, it covers all the rigging, plumbing and electrical on the boat. Any way to answer you question, the last two bails are for the reefing system. Good luck, we hope to pictures soon. Ron Eddleman S/V Stellar of Course ----- Original Message ---- From: Travis <tr… [at] sbcglobal.net> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 7:49:10 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 Rigging Question Hi all, My boat is splashed and I'm rigging the boat. Plan to bend on the sails in next day or two and actually go sailing! I wasn't around for all of the de-rigging, and I don't have diagrams. On the boom, there are six bails on the track at the bottom of the ISOMAT boom. I can account for four of them: The one nearest the boom, I suspect is for vang attachment. The next three going toward the stern are for the mainsheet. The last two, I don't know. What attaches to those? Also, there are two reef points and I am not clear how these lines are attached. Can anyone help me with this? Thanks, Travis Porter ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Never Miss an Email Stay connected with Yahoo! Mail on your mobile. 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--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, <travlin74@...> wrote: > > John, > Thanks for this tip on the bowlines. My intent was to get at this today. In the am, though, I knew I had a leak around the raw water pump, so I checked it out, hoping it was something like a hose connection. This leak increases with engine rpm. Turns out that water was coming out the weep hole in the pump body--hopefully only one of the internal seals has failed. The seals are about $10 vs. $335 for the new pump. I now know the source of the water which filled the pan below the engine and spilled over onto the cabin sole. The PO thought it was from the stuffing box, but clearly, this is the source of the leak. I got the seals ordered, along with new hoses as well. I used to carry a set of spares in the Yankee 38, including the seals for the water pump. I had it fail pretty dramatically going to Catalina one early morning. We used to put the kids to bed in their bunks and leave about midnight for the eight hour trip to the island from Dana Point. About 6 AM the engine began to overheat and that was it. I took the pump off when we got to the mooring, and took it and the seals down to the motor shop at the Isthmus. They put the new seals on with a press they had and we were good to go. The spares are important but it takes a press to put them on. That was a Westerbeke. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96