Cal 37 Questions

I know this is hair-splitting minutiae :-), but I have a couple of questions about Cal 37's: 1. I did a search and saw Mike K.'s post regarding the East (reverse) and West coast (plumb) transoms. So I am assuming that the boomkin on the reverse transom is used to get the backstay away from the mainsail leech. I noticed on Roby's boat that the backstay is attached directly to the transom. Just eyeballing the photos it looks like the reverse transom hull is actually longer (plus the boomkin extension) than the plumb stern. Is there a difference in the mainsail foot dimension? 2. Is the mast in the same fore/aft location as a 40? 3. Were there any other differences between the 37 & 40 other than the stern being shortened? 4. Would anyone have access to any of the original 37 specs? The YW listing for Roby's boat shows the LOA as 36'-5". A stock 40 is 39'-4". It looks like the reverse transom would fall somewhere in between LOA-wise. If anybody has some info they can share I would really appreciate it. Thanks.

Back in the late 60's I sailed a few times out of Long Beach, CA, on one of the 37's, Conquest (owned by Bill Poly back then). It was definitely "West Coast", and had the reverse transom, boomkin, and bow-sprit. It would be very difficult to place the mast on a Cal 37-40 anywhere but where it is. Conquest had no "furniture" in the bow, and it is my recollection that it had a balsa-core deck and cabin-top. Fin. ----- Original Message ----- From: usa3732 To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 9:52 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal 37 Questions I know this is hair-splitting minutiae :-), but I have a couple of questions about Cal 37's: 1. I did a search and saw Mike K.'s post regarding the East (reverse) and West coast (plumb) transoms. So I am assuming that the boomkin on the reverse transom is used to get the backstay away from the mainsail leech. I noticed on Roby's boat that the backstay is attached directly to the transom. Just eyeballing the photos it looks like the reverse transom hull is actually longer (plus the boomkin extension) than the plumb stern. Is there a difference in the mainsail foot dimension? 2. Is the mast in the same fore/aft location as a 40? 3. Were there any other differences between the 37 & 40 other than the stern being shortened? 4. Would anyone have access to any of the original 37 specs? The YW listing for Roby's boat shows the LOA as 36'-5". A stock 40 is 39'-4". It looks like the reverse transom would fall somewhere in between LOA-wise. If anybody has some info they can share I would really appreciate it. Thanks. Yahoo! Groups - Join or create groups, clubs, forums & communities. Links

--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "usa3732" <usa3732@...> wrote: > > I know this is hair-splitting minutiae :-), but I have a couple of questions about Cal 37's: > > 1. I did a search and saw Mike K.'s post regarding the East (reverse) and West coast > (plumb) transoms. So I am assuming that the boomkin on the reverse transom is used to > get the backstay away from the mainsail leech. I noticed on Roby's boat that the backstay > is attached directly to the transom. I think they went to a higher aspect ratio main with a short boom. I don't recall if the mast is taller. In his restoration, he did move the chainplates inboard. Just eyeballing the photos it looks like the reverse > transom hull is actually longer (plus the boomkin extension) than the plumb stern. Is there > a difference in the mainsail foot dimension? The boomkin probably was added to allow the same long boom. The east coast 37s are actually 38s since they removed 18 inches and the 40 is really 39.5 feet long. Roger told me that they had intended to remove more and Derecktor made a mistake. They were pleased with the rating effect so left it as is and others followed their lead. > > 2. Is the mast in the same fore/aft location as a 40? Yes but the bowsprit makes the J 18 inches longer. It is a low aspect ratio rig and, in the case of the one west coast 37 I have examined, it moved the center of effort forward. I'd think they might have some lee helm as the keel is no different. > > 3. Were there any other differences between the 37 & 40 other than the stern being > shortened? The bowsprit, which some 40s also have. > > 4. Would anyone have access to any of the original 37 specs? The YW listing for Roby's > boat shows the LOA as 36'-5". A stock 40 is 39'-4". It looks like the reverse transom would > fall somewhere in between LOA-wise. I think that's right. The west coast hulls were begun as 40s on the 40 mold but the mold was plugged 3 feet from the stern. I think all the east coast 37s were delivered as 40s and modified. Roger might know something but this history project has an air of archeology about it as the records from Jensen were all lost and the molds destroyed. The Yankee 38 molds were auctioned off and other boats built from them. > > If anybody has some info they can share I would really appreciate it. Thanks. That's what I know. The fellow who owns the other east coast 37 is ill and I didn't have a chance to talk to him. He wasn't the original owner anyway. Intrepid II, the boat Roby has restored, was owned by Barry Berkus, an architect who is still around. I haven't talked to him but might see if he has anything to add. I began this history planning to ignore the 37s but began to include them as it was apparent that some began life as 40s. MIke Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 >

Fin & Mike -> I knew you guys would come through for me. :-) Thanks for the info.

Fin; Is Bill Polly still around ? I note he co-skippered Vivant in the 71 Transpac and the only 37s to sail in Transpac were Intrepid II and Quasar, Art Biehl's boat before he started the ULDB class. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 On Feb 22, 2007, at 10:52 AM, Fin Beven wrote: > > Back in the late 60's I sailed a few times out of Long Beach, CA, > on one of the 37's, Conquest (owned by Bill Poly back then). It > was definitely "West Coast", and had the reverse transom, boomkin, > and bow-sprit. > > It would be very difficult to place the mast on a Cal 37-40 > anywhere but where it is. > > Conquest had no "furniture" in the bow, and it is my recollection > that it had a balsa-core deck and cabin-top. > > Fin. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: usa3732 > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 9:52 AM > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal 37 Questions > > I know this is hair-splitting minutiae :-), but I have a couple of > questions about Cal 37's: > > 1. I did a search and saw Mike K.'s post regarding the East > (reverse) and West coast > (plumb) transoms. So I am assuming that the boomkin on the reverse > transom is used to > get the backstay away from the mainsail leech. I noticed on Roby's > boat that the backstay > is attached directly to the transom. Just eyeballing the photos it > looks like the reverse > transom hull is actually longer (plus the boomkin extension) than > the plumb stern. Is there > a difference in the mainsail foot dimension? > > 2. Is the mast in the same fore/aft location as a 40? > > 3. Were there any other differences between the 37 & 40 other than > the stern being > shortened? > > 4. Would anyone have access to any of the original 37 specs? The YW > listing for Roby's > boat shows the LOA as 36'-5". A stock 40 is 39'-4". It looks like > the reverse transom would > fall somewhere in between LOA-wise. > > If anybody has some info they can share I would really appreciate > it. Thanks. > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -------------------- > ~--> > Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. > http://us.click.yahoo.com/4It09A/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/A1TolB/TM > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > ~-> > > > Yahoo! Groups - Join or create groups, clubs, forums &amp; > communities. Links > > > > > >

I've not heard anything about Bill Polly for years. After he sold the '37 he bought and raced a Redline (C&C) 41, also called Conquest. Obviously a big USC fan. The Redline and the Erickson 39s were very effective here in SoCal, under IOR, as the Cal40 was not. Funny ... I don't see many Erickson 39s any more. Fin. ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Kennedy To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 4:59 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 37 Questions Fin; Is Bill Polly still around ? I note he co-skippered Vivant in the 71 Transpac and the only 37s to sail in Transpac were Intrepid II and Quasar, Art Biehl's boat before he started the ULDB class. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 On Feb 22, 2007, at 10:52 AM, Fin Beven wrote: Back in the late 60's I sailed a few times out of Long Beach, CA, on one of the 37's, Conquest (owned by Bill Poly back then). It was definitely "West Coast", and had the reverse transom, boomkin, and bow-sprit. It would be very difficult to place the mast on a Cal 37-40 anywhere but where it is. Conquest had no "furniture" in the bow, and it is my recollection that it had a balsa-core deck and cabin-top. Fin. ----- Original Message ----- From: usa3732 To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 9:52 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal 37 Questions I know this is hair-splitting minutiae :-), but I have a couple of questions about Cal 37's: 1. I did a search and saw Mike K.'s post regarding the East (reverse) and West coast (plumb) transoms. So I am assuming that the boomkin on the reverse transom is used to get the backstay away from the mainsail leech. I noticed on Roby's boat that the backstay is attached directly to the transom. Just eyeballing the photos it looks like the reverse transom hull is actually longer (plus the boomkin extension) than the plumb stern. Is there a difference in the mainsail foot dimension? 2. Is the mast in the same fore/aft location as a 40? 3. Were there any other differences between the 37 & 40 other than the stern being shortened? 4. Would anyone have access to any of the original 37 specs? The YW listing for Roby's boat shows the LOA as 36'-5". A stock 40 is 39'-4". It looks like the reverse transom would fall somewhere in between LOA-wise. If anybody has some info they can share I would really appreciate it. Thanks. Yahoo! Groups - Join or create groups, clubs, forums &amp; communities. Links

I just across this in 48 North letters "Cal 37, a Chopped Cal 40? I was wondering if it might be possible, that you or someone at 48° North, would know where I can get some information, about my boat. She is a 1970 Cal 37 MK II her name is Pacifier II, supposedly she is from the Cal 40 mold but with the last 3 feet of the stern removed. Her hull # is 8. From what I can gather from her previous owner who had her for 14 years, was that Lapworth and Jensen got into a legal battle because Jensen was not authorized to build a 37 foot Cal, and so after she was finished the mold was destroyed. Thank You, George Books S/V Pacifier II" I'm going to try to contact him. The Ericson 39 looked hot when it came out but a friend bought one and raced it. They were very tender and his burned to the waterline one monring after they had finished a Whitney, I think San Nicholas Island. The dry exhaust loop wasn't properly wrapped in asbestos. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 On Feb 22, 2007, at 5:22 PM, Fin Beven wrote: > > I've not heard anything about Bill Polly for years. After he sold > the '37 he bought and raced a Redline (C&C) 41, also called > Conquest. Obviously a big USC fan. The Redline and the Erickson > 39s were very effective here in SoCal, under IOR, as the Cal40 was > not. > > Funny ... I don't see many Erickson 39s any more. > > Fin. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Michael Kennedy > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 4:59 PM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 37 Questions > > Fin; > > Is Bill Polly still around ? I note he co-skippered Vivant in the > 71 Transpac and the only 37s to sail in Transpac were Intrepid II > and Quasar, Art Biehl's boat before he started the ULDB class. > > Mike Kennedy > Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > On Feb 22, 2007, at 10:52 AM, Fin Beven wrote: > >> >> Back in the late 60's I sailed a few times out of Long Beach, CA, >> on one of the 37's, Conquest (owned by Bill Poly back then). It >> was definitely "West Coast", and had the reverse transom, boomkin, >> and bow-sprit. >> It would be very difficult to place the mast on a Cal 37-40 >> anywhere but where it is. >> Conquest had no "furniture" in the bow, and it is my recollection >> that it had a balsa-core deck and cabin-top. >> Fin. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: usa3732 >> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >> Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 9:52 AM >> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal 37 Questions >> >> I know this is hair-splitting minutiae :-), but I have a couple of >> questions about Cal 37's: >> >> 1. I did a search and saw Mike K.'s post regarding the East >> (reverse) and West coast >> (plumb) transoms. So I am assuming that the boomkin on the reverse >> transom is used to >> get the backstay away from the mainsail leech. I noticed on Roby's >> boat that the backstay >> is attached directly to the transom. Just eyeballing the photos it >> looks like the reverse >> transom hull is actually longer (plus the boomkin extension) than >> the plumb stern. Is there >> a difference in the mainsail foot dimension? >> >> 2. Is the mast in the same fore/aft location as a 40? >> >> 3. Were there any other differences between the 37 & 40 other than >> the stern being >> shortened? >> >> 4. Would anyone have access to any of the original 37 specs? The >> YW listing for Roby's >> boat shows the LOA as 36'-5". A stock 40 is 39'-4". It looks like >> the reverse transom would >> fall somewhere in between LOA-wise. >> >> If anybody has some info they can share I would really appreciate >> it. Thanks. >> >> >> >> ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -------------------- >> ~--> >> Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. >> http://us.click.yahoo.com/4It09A/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/A1TolB/TM >> --------------------------------------------------------------------~ >> -> >> >> >> Yahoo! Groups - Join or create groups, clubs, forums &amp; >> communities. Links >> >> >> >> >> > > >