Re: Reply toLaw Suit (Farce)

Guys this makes me crazy and makes my blood boil. These lunatic megalomanical WASPS think they have rights to the name of the state I live in??!! And I've been in their yacht club many many times, and never once did I see a Black Amazon Woman. Not ONCE!! That's just blatant misrepresentation on their part! We have an annual race from Marina del Rey to Los Alamitos, called the "Outlaw Regatta" because for years the idiots like the ones writing the reply for CYC wouldn't sanction it, so they went ahead and had it anyway! I say the hell with them, bring it on! Let them pay the county and the other clubs in Marina del Rey five million dollars for their many years of brutal racism! I suppose they want the U.C. Berkly University to stop referring to themselves as "Cal" because it would be too confusing to us rag hauling dim wits. Aaarrghh! Jerry

Guys this makes me crazy and makes my blood boil. These lunatic megalomanical WASPS think they have rights to the name of the state I live in??!! And I've been in their yacht club many many times, and never once did I see a Black Amazon Woman. Not ONCE!! That's just blatant misrepresentation on their part! We have an annual race from Marina del Rey to Los Alamitos, called the "Outlaw Regatta" because for years the idiots like the ones writing the reply for CYC wouldn't sanction it, so they went ahead and had it anyway! I say the hell with them, bring it on! Let them pay the county and the other clubs in Marina del Rey five million dollars for their many years of brutal racism! I suppose they want the U.C. Berkly University to stop referring to themselves as "Cal" because it would be too confusing to us rag hauling dim wits. Aaarrghh! Jerry

I've been trying hard to stay out of this discussion, because I'm not a lawyer and I don't know a lot about trademarks and intellectual property. But some of this discussion stretches belief. And the tone concerns me. For example, one defense offered is that you can't "trademark" the word "California". That may be true. But that does not appear to be relevant to this discussion. Can you trademark the word "Standard", or the word "American"? Probably not. But if you start a company named "American Standard", your efforts are likely to go right down the toilet, because that combination of words has been taken. Even more puzzling is the tone that this has taken. I don't know anything about the California Yacht Club (or the Cal Yacht Club) or its members or its lawyers. They may be jerks or they may be perfectly nice people. I don't see how what type of people they are could be relevant to the matter at hand. What is relevant to me is that if you have an investment in goodwill or intellectual property, you have a legal obligation to defend that investment or else the law says that you lose your rights to it. From a legal perspective, it seems to be no different than asking a squatter to stop living on your land. I don't see how such a defense is conclusive evidence of reprehensible behavior. The Cal List group is reknown for the cordial treatment of each other by its members, and the low incidence of "flaming" and other anti-social behaviors that seem to be facilitated by the relative anonymity and distance offered by electronic communication. I find that the tone of the posts on this lawsuit topic have stepped well over the line for my comfort level, and I respectfully suggest that those contributing to the discussion consider ways to do so without resorting to name-calling and unfounded characterizations of the various parties involved. It could help elevate the level of discourse to a point where we all might learn from the exchange. Alfred Poor 1969 Cal 29 #132, "Pentaquod"

Amen. This thread largely has veered toward hysteria. Harleigh Ewell Cal 31 From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Alfred Poor Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 8:45 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Reply toLaw Suit (Farce) I've been trying hard to stay out of this discussion, because I'm not a lawyer and I don't know a lot about trademarks and intellectual property. But some of this discussion stretches belief. And the tone concerns me. For example, one defense offered is that you can't "trademark" the word "California". That may be true. But that does not appear to be relevant to this discussion. Can you trademark the word "Standard", or the word "American"? Probably not. But if you start a company named "American Standard", your efforts are likely to go right down the toilet, because that combination of words has been taken. Even more puzzling is the tone that this has taken. I don't know anything about the California Yacht Club (or the Cal Yacht Club) or its members or its lawyers. They may be jerks or they may be perfectly nice people. I don't see how what type of people they are could be relevant to the matter at hand. What is relevant to me is that if you have an investment in goodwill or intellectual property, you have a legal obligation to defend that investment or else the law says that you lose your rights to it. From a legal perspective, it seems to be no different than asking a squatter to stop living on your land. I don't see how such a defense is conclusive evidence of reprehensible behavior. . . . . . . . . . . .

I agree with everything you say, but there is one point that, if I read correctly, is troubling. I think I read that the California Yacht Club refused the offer to change the name to Cal/Jensen Yacht Club. If so, that is not right. Is any sequence of words beginning with Cal and ending with Yacht Club protectable by registering 'California Yacht Club' as a tradmark? td > Alfred Poor wrote: > > I've been trying hard to stay out of this discussion, because > I'm not a lawyer and I don't know a lot about trademarks and > intellectual property. [snip] > > Alfred Poor > 1969 Cal 29 #132, "Pentaquod" DISCLAIMER: Important Notice ************************************************* This e-mail may contain information that is confidential, privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not an intended recipient of this e-mail, do not duplicate or redistribute it by any means. Please delete it and any attachments and notify the sender that you have received it in error. Unintended recipients are prohibited from taking action on the basis of information in this e-mail.E-mail messages may contain computer viruses or other defects, may not be accurately replicated on other systems, or may be intercepted, deleted or interfered with without the knowledge of the sender or the intended recipient. If you are not comfortable with the risks associated with e-mail messages, you may decide not to use e-mail to communicate with IPC. IPC reserves the right, to the extent and under circumstances permitted by applicable law, to retain, monitor and intercept e-mail messages to and from its systems.

Agreed. ----- Original Message ----- From: Harleigh Ewell To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 6:46 AM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: Reply toLaw Suit (Farce) Amen. This thread largely has veered toward hysteria. Harleigh Ewell Cal 31 -----Original Message----- From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Alfred Poor Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 8:45 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Reply toLaw Suit (Farce) I've been trying hard to stay out of this discussion, because I'm not a lawyer and I don't know a lot about trademarks and intellectual property. But some of this discussion stretches belief. And the tone concerns me. For example, one defense offered is that you can't "trademark" the word "California". That may be true. But that does not appear to be relevant to this discussion. Can you trademark the word "Standard", or the word "American"? Probably not. But if you start a company named "American Standard", your efforts are likely to go right down the toilet, because that combination of words has been taken. Even more puzzling is the tone that this has taken. I don't know anything about the California Yacht Club (or the Cal Yacht Club) or its members or its lawyers. They may be jerks or they may be perfectly nice people. I don't see how what type of people they are could be relevant to the matter at hand. What is relevant to me is that if you have an investment in goodwill or intellectual property, you have a legal obligation to defend that investment or else the law says that you lose your rights to it. >From a legal perspective, it seems to be no different than asking a squatter to stop living on your land. I don't see how such a defense is conclusive evidence of reprehensible behavior. . . . . . . . . . . .

Well said Alfred. Enough is enough! Yacht clubs are yacht clubs, internet chat lists are chat lists. Learn to pick your battles. This is not one to fight. ....." God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change; courage to change the things I can; and wisdom to know the difference. " Mike Robinson From: "Alfred Poor" ap… [at] bellatlantic.net I�ve been trying hard to stay out of this discussion, because I�m not a lawyer and I don�t know a lot about trademarks and intellectual property. But some of this discussion stretches belief. And the tone concerns me. Alfred Poor 1969 Cal 29 #132, �Pentaquod� SPONSORED LINKS Mortgage refinance is Hot. *Terms. Get a 5.375%* fix rate. Check savings

I suggest we continue corresponding to CYC. This could be great fun! I got some new ideas for yachte clubs names for either them or us according to who blinks first. Cal Owners Yacht Club. Cal Sailors Yacht Club..and finally, me favorite: Queen Califa Royal Yacht Club. Don't you just love the last one?? The last one is the one CYC should have named themselves at the very beginning, but now it's up for grabs! Queen Califa was the orginal ruler of California, land of the Black Amazon Women, where all rocks on the ground were made of gold! BTW Cal/Jensen YC is inappropriate since some of our boats are Hunt designs, and not all were made in Jensens' factory, especially when Cal was bought out by the bowling ball factory, many being built on east coast. Jensen also built the Ranger series of boats, designed by another guru, Gary Mull. My boat is one of the kit boats, perhaps the parts made at Jensens, perhaps not, but the boats were originally all built by do-it-yourselfers. Jerry

HEY - You Cannot use say CYC, Corinthian Yacht Club of Portland Oregon, If I catch anyone pouring Portland Cement, you'll hear from my attorney, also. Timm CYC Commodore Portland, Oregon. On Behalf Of Gerald Sobel Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Reply toLaw Suit (Farce) I suggest we continue corresponding to CYC. This could be great fun! . <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=16485695/grpspId=1705065792/ msgId=6418/stime=1175716034/nc1=4438963/nc2=4430620/nc3=3848601>

Just to put some of the discussion in perspective try this link <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=16485695/grpspId=1705065792/msgI d=6406/stime=1175694655/nc1=4438963/nc2=4430620/nc3=3848601> <http://www.burgees.com/burgeeframe.htm> http://www.burgees.com/burgeeframe.htm the link will get you to burgees.com group C showing how many clubs start with the name "CAL"

And did they steal the name from the Corinthian YC in Belvedere (Marin County) ? ----- Original Message ----- From: ti… [at] ch2m.com To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 2:08 PM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: Reply toLaw Suit (Farce) HEY - You Cannot use say CYC, Corinthian Yacht Club of Portland Oregon, If I catch anyone pouring Portland Cement, you'll hear from my attorney, also. Timm CYC Commodore Portland, Oregon. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Behalf Of Gerald Sobel Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Reply toLaw Suit (Farce) I suggest we continue corresponding to CYC. This could be great fun! .

WE'RE DOOOOOOOOOOMED!!!, okay, let's go sailing! have a nice day ;-) If a lawyer sues a sailor, is it called a wet suit? dEmO hehehehe From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Fin Beven Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 2:45 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Reply toLaw Suit (Farce) And did they steal the name from the Corinthian YC in Belvedere (Marin County) ? ----- Original Message ----- From: ti… [at] ch2m.com <mailto:ti… [at] ch2m.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 2:08 PM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: Reply toLaw Suit (Farce) HEY - You Cannot use say CYC, Corinthian Yacht Club of Portland Oregon, If I catch anyone pouring Portland Cement, you'll hear from my attorney, also. Timm CYC Commodore Portland, Oregon. On Behalf Of Gerald Sobel Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Reply toLaw Suit (Farce) I suggest we continue corresponding to CYC. This could be great fun! . <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=16485695/grpspId=1705065792/ msgId=6418/stime=1175716034/nc1=4438963/nc2=4430620/nc3=3848601>

Domain name belongs to the person or business that owns it. In the past, there were a number of purchases of web site domain names from individuals who were smart enough to fill out the papers and register before some others did such as a Business. There is a number of sites that have the same name as part of their first part of their name, and then the last part could end with .COM or .NET or .ORG. First come / first served and the first one to register it = IS THE OWNER. .. Type in www.HolidayInn.net and see what you get ….. You won't find the Name Brand Logo here. It used to be if you typed in www.HolidayInn.com, you ended up with a Holiday Inn in some specific city. NOW – you get the MAIN WEB PAGE for Holiday Inn. So apparently the big boys purchased that domain name from one of their little boys. If they want YOUR domain name – what will it cost them? Ka ching Ka ching $ $ $ As someone stated prior yc = yacht club on numerous web sites. Anthony got calyc.com FIRST. The other guys should have protected themselves from anyone using that domain name a long time ago. A number of businesses and organizations own more than one domain name just so others can't use it. Some politician running for office was trying to come up with a web page name, they typed in their own name, something something for governor or president etc., only to find that it pulled up a web site that already existed - Someone was bought out - a good anticipation on their part. Not that you started out that way: But there is good business in owning domain names: check out the following: http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB113200310765396752- FYV6dsilRS0N1fsiVu_bLf_5nI8_20061116.html?mod=tff_main_tff_top The Wall Street Journal article: Thanks to Web Ads, Some Find New Money in Domain Names - WSJ.com

Domain name squatting is no longer legal. Stuff like that happened in the early days, I remember some yokel buying exxonmobil.com when he heard of their merger and they gave him like $3. Mil. wouldn't happen today. Still, this situation is a different thing. sailingbuds wrote: >Domain name belongs to the person or business that owns it. > > > >In the past, there were a number of purchases of web site domain >names from individuals who were smart enough to fill out the papers >and register before some others did such as a Business. There is a >number of sites that have the same name as part of their first part >of their name, and then the last part could end with .COM or .NET >or .ORG. First come / first served and the first one to register it >= IS THE OWNER. .. > >

So is there a Lapworth design Club? Marsh Wise <ma… [at] reenactor.net> wrote: Domain name squatting is no longer legal. Stuff like that happened in the early days, I remember some yokel buying exxonmobil.com when he heard of their merger and they gave him like $3. Mil. wouldn't happen today. Still, this situation is a different thing. sailingbuds wrote: Domain name belongs to the person or business that owns it. In the past, there were a number of purchases of web site domain names from individuals who were smart enough to fill out the papers and register before some others did such as a Business. There is a number of sites that have the same name as part of their first part of their name, and then the last part could end with .COM or .NET or .ORG. First come / first served and the first one to register it = IS THE OWNER. .. --------------------------------- Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games.

I dunno... mebbee pat pat wrote: > So is there a Lapworth design Club? > > Marsh Wise <ma… [at] reenactor.net> wrote: > > Domain name squatting is no longer legal. Stuff like that happened > in the early days, I remember some yokel buying exxonmobil.com > when he heard of their merger and they gave him like $3. Mil. > wouldn't happen today. Still, this situation is a different thing. > > sailingbuds wrote: > >>Domain name belongs to the person or business >> that owns it. In the past, there were a number of purchases of web site domain names from individuals who were smart enough to fill out the papers and register before some others did such as a Business. There is a number of sites that have the same name as part of their first part of their name, and then the last part could end with .COM or .NET or .ORG. First come / first served and the first one to register it = IS THE OWNER. .. >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Be a PS3 game guru. > Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! > Games. <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49936/*http://videogames.yahoo.com> >

ti… [at] ch2m.com wrote: > > > If a lawyer sues a sailor, is it called > a wet suit? I think I'd call it throwing good money after bad.... Chris Campbell lawyer and sailor >