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Gee whizz, when I were in the navy we always stopped to help a ship mate out, just look for the parking decal on the bumper, back when thar were chrome bumpers on cars. I got a nifty picture of Shpritz racing a Navy Sub into the harbor at the finish of the Marina del Rey to San Diego race five years ago. Question: Are masthead tricolors any good? do the lights get lost among the scattered sparkling shore lights in coastal areas? One sea captain says bow pulpit lights are best, down low and readily visible against the darkness of the sea. I can imagine tricolors being better if far off shore where they will stay visible among large sea swells to a coxswain in a pilot house high on the bridge of a ship. Speaking of sub/boat mishaps; there was that sub that surfaced under a Japanese research trawler southeast of Oahu. I believe the trawler sank with the loss of several young students, it was a bit of an international incident with severe reprimands to the Navy skipper. Fortunately there are amazingly few boats out at sea after dark. Mostly a handful of fishing boats, some fishing for squid I would guess, lit up like used car lots, and a very few ships distinguishable by the height of their nav lights above water and the distance between their side lights and stern light, usually with nothing but jet blackness in between. Oh, and, if you haven't sailed at night, your really missing something. I guess it's as close as a layman can be to flying aboard an interstellar space craft. If your a descent distance from shore you'll see the sky is filled with zillions of stars, the likes of which I don't recall since I was a small boy growing up in a semi rural area in the early fifties. Jerry

Gerry, Night sailing is my favorite, I sail in Lake Michigan from Chicago, and the night skyline of the city is a sight that only we sailors get to see. Another great night sight is coming up on deck for your shift at 2am and seeing the lights of the fleet around you and the stars blazing overhead. Chicago to Mackinac Race, 2001. We were 6th in section, out of 23, missed 3rd place by 9 minutes over a 333 mile course, on an Erickson 35. I mention that because they only give flags for the first three finishers in any section regradless of how many boats are in the section. Regards, Dave Dobbs, Cal29 411 --- Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > Gee whizz, when I were in the navy we always stopped > to help a ship mate out, just look for the parking > decal on the bumper, back when thar were chrome > bumpers on cars. > > I got a nifty picture of Shpritz racing a Navy Sub > into the harbor at the finish of the Marina del Rey > to San Diego race five years ago. > > Question: Are masthead tricolors any good? do the > lights get lost among the scattered sparkling shore > lights in coastal areas? One sea captain says bow > pulpit lights are best, down low and readily visible > against the darkness of the sea. I can imagine > tricolors being better if far off shore where they > will stay visible among large sea swells to a > coxswain in a pilot house high on the bridge of a > ship. > > Speaking of sub/boat mishaps; there was that sub > that surfaced under a Japanese research trawler > southeast of Oahu. I believe the trawler sank with > the loss of several young students, it was a bit of > an international incident with severe reprimands to > the Navy skipper. > > Fortunately there are amazingly few boats out at sea > after dark. Mostly a handful of fishing boats, some > fishing for squid I would guess, lit up like used > car lots, and a very few ships distinguishable by > the height of their nav lights above water and the > distance between their side lights and stern light, > usually with nothing but jet blackness in between. > > Oh, and, if you haven't sailed at night, your really > missing something. I guess it's as close as a layman > can be to flying aboard an interstellar space craft. > If your a descent distance from shore you'll see the > sky is filled with zillions of stars, the likes of > which I don't recall since I was a small boy growing > up in a semi rural area in the early fifties. > > > > Jerry Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Gerald Sobel wrote: > > > Oh, and, if you haven't sailed at night, your really missing > something. I guess it's as close as a layman can be to flying aboard > an interstellar space craft. If your a descent distance from shore > you'll see the sky is filled with zillions of stars, the likes of > which I don't recall since I was a small boy growing up in a semi > rural area in the early fifties. > > You're absolutely right about this. Sailing at night is about half the reason to own a boat. It's wonderful. Those who don't do it are missing a lot. Most of my night sailing now is while crewing on the schooner. We often do night passages to reach the next port city on time. We are usually well offshore and away from the light pollution of populated areas. Many years ago, brothers and friends would join me after work to go sailing, and we'd be out until well after dark. We never had any encounters with danger, but one night we saw odd lights on a commercial vessel in the channel and it was the last of the whaleback freighters, a 19th century design that was unique to the Great lakes--basically a long tube with deckhouses at either end, designed for waves to wash over it. The boat is now a museum ship at Superior, WI. Along the shore, you gain a much greater appreciation for humanity's fear of darkness when you see that even rural areas are lighted up with mercury vapor and sodium vapor outdoor lighting. I've read that watching TV news gives people an exaggerated fear of crime. Some neighbors at my cottage have one of those outdoor lights that goes all night. They're afraid of crime. There hasn't been a crime in that area for decades, but they're afraid anyway. They'd be afraid to go sailing in the dark, too. Chris Campbell > > > . > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------

david dobbs wrote: > > Gerry, > Night sailing is my favorite, I sail in Lake Michigan > from Chicago, and the night skyline of the city is a > sight that only we sailors get to see. Another great > night sight is coming up on deck for your shift at 2am > and seeing the lights of the fleet around you and the > stars blazing overhead. Chicago to Mackinac Race, > 2001. > The most magical sailing moment of last summer was passing under the Mackinaw Bridge at 1:00 am on the schooner --that was pure magic as always--but then seeing the running lights of the boats finishing the Chicago-Mac race in the darkness ahead of us and around us. The wind was light but steady and it was quiet except for the gurgle of water on the hull. Chris Campbell

Speaking of Chicago night sailing... I'll be in Chicago the week of May 14 and would be interested in after-work sailing the 14th, 15th or 16th. I'll be staying downtown on east whacker not far from the marina. If anyone needs crew for a beercan or just an evening cruise, I'd like to crew. bw ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Campbell To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 6:12 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Gerry, Night Sailing david dobbs wrote: Gerry, Night sailing is my favorite, I sail in Lake Michigan from Chicago, and the night skyline of the city is a sight that only we sailors get to see. Another great night sight is coming up on deck for your shift at 2am and seeing the lights of the fleet around you and the stars blazing overhead. Chicago to Mackinac Race, 2001. The most magical sailing moment of last summer was passing under the Mackinaw Bridge at 1:00 am on the schooner --that was pure magic as always--but then seeing the running lights of the boats finishing the Chicago-Mac race in the darkness ahead of us and around us. The wind was light but steady and it was quiet except for the gurgle of water on the hull. Chris Campbell

I'm a big fan of nighttime sailing as well. Another in-shore 'fleet' site is always the 4th of July. There's a little bay just outside of my channel, with fireworks of a barge in that bay. Every year a couple of hundred, may more, boats drop anchor to watch, a surprising percentage being sailboats. The constellation formed by all the anchor lights blending with the stars and the fireworks is pretty to behold td From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of david dobbs Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 2:04 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Gerry, Night Sailing Gerry, Night sailing is my favorite, I sail in Lake Michigan from Chicago, and the night skyline of the city is a sight that only we sailors get to see. Another great night sight is coming up on deck for your shift at 2am and seeing the lights of the fleet around you and the stars blazing overhead. Chicago to Mackinac Race, 2001. We were 6th in section, out of 23, missed 3rd place by 9 minutes over a 333 mile course, on an Erickson 35. I mention that because they only give flags for the first three finishers in any section regradless of how many boats are in the section. Regards, Dave Dobbs, Cal29 411 --- Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > Gee whizz, when I were in the navy we always stopped > to help a ship mate out, just look for the parking > decal on the bumper, back when thar were chrome > bumpers on cars. > > I got a nifty picture of Shpritz racing a Navy Sub > into the harbor at the finish of the Marina del Rey > to San Diego race five years ago. > > Question: Are masthead tricolors any good? do the > lights get lost among the scattered sparkling shore > lights in coastal areas? One sea captain says bow > pulpit lights are best, down low and readily visible > against the darkness of the sea. I can imagine > tricolors being better if far off shore where they > will stay visible among large sea swells to a > coxswain in a pilot house high on the bridge of a > ship. > > Speaking of sub/boat mishaps; there was that sub > that surfaced under a Japanese research trawler > southeast of Oahu. I believe the trawler sank with > the loss of several young students, it was a bit of > an international incident with severe reprimands to > the Navy skipper. > > Fortunately there are amazingly few boats out at sea > after dark. Mostly a handful of fishing boats, some > fishing for squid I would guess, lit up like used > car lots, and a very few ships distinguishable by > the height of their nav lights above water and the > distance between their side lights and stern light, > usually with nothing but jet blackness in between. > > Oh, and, if you haven't sailed at night, your really > missing something. I guess it's as close as a layman > can be to flying aboard an interstellar space craft. > If your a descent distance from shore you'll see the > sky is filled with zillions of stars, the likes of > which I don't recall since I was a small boy growing > up in a semi rural area in the early fifties. > > > > Jerry Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com DISCLAIMER: Important Notice ************************************************* This e-mail may contain information that is confidential, privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not an intended recipient of this e-mail, do not duplicate or redistribute it by any means. Please delete it and any attachments and notify the sender that you have received it in error. Unintended recipients are prohibited from taking action on the basis of information in this e-mail.E-mail messages may contain computer viruses or other defects, may not be accurately replicated on other systems, or may be intercepted, deleted or interfered with without the knowledge of the sender or the intended recipient. If you are not comfortable with the risks associated with e-mail messages, you may decide not to use e-mail to communicate with IPC. IPC reserves the right, to the extent and under circumstances permitted by applicable law, to retain, monitor and intercept e-mail messages to and from its systems.

Bob, It's early in the season here, not too many boats in the water yet, (I'm not launching till the 21st), but I'll see what I can find for a sail. Dave Dobbs Cal 29 411 --- Bob Walden <bo… [at] bobwalden.com> wrote: > Speaking of Chicago night sailing... > > I'll be in Chicago the week of May 14 and would be > interested in after-work sailing the 14th, 15th or > 16th. I'll be staying downtown on east whacker not > far from the marina. If anyone needs crew for a > beercan or just an evening cruise, I'd like to crew. > > bw > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Chris Campbell > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 6:12 AM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Gerry, Night Sailing > > > david dobbs wrote: > Gerry, > Night sailing is my favorite, I sail in Lake > Michigan > from Chicago, and the night skyline of the city > is a > sight that only we sailors get to see. Another > great > night sight is coming up on deck for your shift > at 2am > and seeing the lights of the fleet around you > and the > stars blazing overhead. Chicago to Mackinac > Race, > 2001. > > > > > > > > > > > The most magical sailing moment of last summer was > passing under the Mackinaw Bridge at 1:00 am on the > schooner --that was pure magic as always--but then > seeing the running lights of the boats finishing the > Chicago-Mac race in the darkness ahead of us and > around us. The wind was light but steady and it was > quiet except for the gurgle of water on the hull. > > Chris Campbell > > Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Thanks Dave. Didn't realize how much later the season starts there, I'm getting "you're crazy" from a lot of people. If it doesn't work out, there will be other trips. bw From: "david dobbs" <tm… [at] yahoo.com> To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 8:23 PM Subject: Re: Chicago Sailing week of May 14 [WAS: [Cal_Boats] Gerry, Night Sailing] > Bob, > It's early in the season here, not too many boats in > the water yet, (I'm not launching till the 21st), but > I'll see what I can find for a sail. > > Dave Dobbs > Cal 29 411 > > --- Bob Walden <bo… [at] bobwalden.com> wrote: > >> Speaking of Chicago night sailing... >> >> I'll be in Chicago the week of May 14 and would be >> interested in after-work sailing the 14th, 15th or >> 16th. I'll be staying downtown on east whacker not >> far from the marina. If anyone needs crew for a >> beercan or just an evening cruise, I'd like to crew. >> >> bw >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Chris Campbell >> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 6:12 AM >> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Gerry, Night Sailing >> >> >> david dobbs wrote: >> Gerry, >> Night sailing is my favorite, I sail in Lake >> Michigan >> from Chicago, and the night skyline of the city >> is a >> sight that only we sailors get to see. Another >> great >> night sight is coming up on deck for your shift >> at 2am >> and seeing the lights of the fleet around you >> and the >> stars blazing overhead. Chicago to Mackinac >> Race, >> 2001. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The most magical sailing moment of last summer was >> passing under the Mackinaw Bridge at 1:00 am on the >> schooner --that was pure magic as always--but then >> seeing the running lights of the boats finishing the >> Chicago-Mac race in the darkness ahead of us and >> around us. The wind was light but steady and it was >> quiet except for the gurgle of water on the hull. >> >> Chris Campbell >> >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Bob, Sailors are usually a little to a lot crazy. We have a couple of boats in at my club, including a Cal 31 that may be available in the evening that week. I'll keep you posted. Bring a jacket. Dave Dobbs Cal29 411 --- Bob Walden <bo… [at] bobwalden.com> wrote: > Thanks Dave. Didn't realize how much later the > season starts there, I'm > getting "you're crazy" from a lot of people. If it > doesn't work out, there > will be other trips. > > bw > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "david dobbs" <tm… [at] yahoo.com> > To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 8:23 PM > Subject: Re: Chicago Sailing week of May 14 [WAS: > [Cal_Boats] Gerry, Night > Sailing] > > > > Bob, > > It's early in the season here, not too many boats > in > > the water yet, (I'm not launching till the 21st), > but > > I'll see what I can find for a sail. > > > > Dave Dobbs > > Cal 29 411 > > > > --- Bob Walden <bo… [at] bobwalden.com> wrote: > > > >> Speaking of Chicago night sailing... > >> > >> I'll be in Chicago the week of May 14 and would > be > >> interested in after-work sailing the 14th, 15th > or > >> 16th. I'll be staying downtown on east whacker > not > >> far from the marina. If anyone needs crew for a > >> beercan or just an evening cruise, I'd like to > crew. > >> > >> bw > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Chris Campbell > >> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > >> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 6:12 AM > >> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Gerry, Night Sailing > >> > >> > >> david dobbs wrote: > >> Gerry, > >> Night sailing is my favorite, I sail in Lake > >> Michigan > >> from Chicago, and the night skyline of the > city > >> is a > >> sight that only we sailors get to see. > Another > >> great > >> night sight is coming up on deck for your > shift > >> at 2am > >> and seeing the lights of the fleet around you > >> and the > >> stars blazing overhead. Chicago to Mackinac > >> Race, > >> 2001. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> The most magical sailing moment of last summer > was > >> passing under the Mackinaw Bridge at 1:00 am on > the > >> schooner --that was pure magic as always--but > then > >> seeing the running lights of the boats finishing > the > >> Chicago-Mac race in the darkness ahead of us and > >> around us. The wind was light but steady and it > was > >> quiet except for the gurgle of water on the hull. > >> > >> Chris Campbell > >> > >> > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com