Replacing Conventional Lights with LED--Issues?

I am thinking about replacing some of the lighting in my Cal 33-2 with LED lights. I've seen some posts on LEDs and I have the impression that it may be not just as simple as replacing the fixtures/bulbs with LEDs. Can anyone help with this? Can I simply buy a LED fixture and wire it up? Thanks, Travis Porter CAL 33-2 HIN 64 Recently renamed "Vital" after my brother's former ship USS VITAL MSO 474

Travis, the LED lamps are built for the 12 volt service. The only kicker is polarity. Standard lamps can hook up either way (depending on possible case ground), but LEDs must have + to +. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Travis Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 2:26 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Replacing Conventional Lights with LED--Issues? I am thinking about replacing some of the lighting in my Cal 33-2 with LED lights. I've seen some posts on LEDs and I have the impression that it may be not just as simple as replacing the fixtures/bulbs with LEDs. Can anyone help with this? Can I simply buy a LED fixture and wire it up? Thanks, Travis Porter CAL 33-2 HIN 64 Recently renamed "Vital" after my brother's former ship USS VITAL MSO 474 Yahoo! Groups Links

I just replaced the bow running lights on Hana (Cal 40) with Hella 2 mile fixtures. They can be made to fit in the recesses built into the bow, which is why I chose them. They've only been in for a week now, but I'm impressed with the brightness and vertical beam pattern. They came with short leads and a very cheesy mounting device, but those can be worked around. From: sentto-16485695-1148-1177612568-george.a.elwers=sa… [at] returns.groups.yahoo.com on behalf of Husar, Charlie Sent: Thu 4/26/2007 11:34 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Replacing Conventional Lights with LED--Issues? Travis, the LED lamps are built for the 12 volt service. The only kicker is polarity. Standard lamps can hook up either way (depending on possible case ground), but LEDs must have + to +. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Travis Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 2:26 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Replacing Conventional Lights with LED--Issues? I am thinking about replacing some of the lighting in my Cal 33-2 with LED lights. I've seen some posts on LEDs and I have the impression that it may be not just as simple as replacing the fixtures/bulbs with LEDs. Can anyone help with this? Can I simply buy a LED fixture and wire it up? Thanks, Travis Porter CAL 33-2 HIN 64 Recently renamed "Vital" after my brother's former ship USS VITAL MSO .

Travis wrote: > > I am thinking about replacing some of the lighting in my Cal 33-2 with > LED lights. I've seen some posts on LEDs and I have the impression > that it may be not just as simple as replacing the fixtures/bulbs with > LEDs. Can anyone help with this? Can I simply buy a LED fixture and > wire it up? > Travis: Practical Sailor has addressed this question at some length. I don't have the copies here at my office. You may want to go to their web site and se if you can acquire the articles. Chris Campbell

Greetings, Folks........ i don't mean to be the wet-mop around here. but where it comes to a Ships/boat's navigational lights; i have a really big problem with "leds". that problem is called "Raw Candle Power"!!! i know that as kids, most of you probably thought nothing of riding your bicycles all over the towns and city's that you lived in. and when you got old enough, you most probably though nothing of riding those same bikes around after dark. after all, you had no difficulty seeing the cars and trucks; you were young and had the best of eye's, Right! and then you got older and started driving some of those cars and trucks. and damned if you didn't start noticing just how bloody hard it is to see the kids out riding on their bicycles after dark. and then you knew, didn't you........ well, i have been in the wheel-house of tugs as big as 100' at night. and i have been responsible and in the conning town of 10,000 ton military vessels. and some other stuff in between. and i just have-to be blunt here; do you want to know what all your cheesey little minimum required USCG approved 2 mile nav lights look like at the best of times out in that inky blackness? all of you with boats made of the stealthiest of non-reflective EM "Plastic" material. and most large ships using a combination of "X" and "Y" band radar. the "X" band mounted do high that you can easily be under it's scaning height and they and you would not know it. and the "Y" band will never even see you period. well, those little lights that you are so proud of might as well be pained red and green. they are hard to keep track of and even notice at the best of times. and then there is the back-ground light coming from ones own ship. have you ever noticed those big ships run dark, how about the big fishing boats? no, they have thousands of watt's of lights glaring on deck. and i sure as hope that you see them, as it's been this navigators experience that we most often times don't see you. or even worse; you will see us and mossy on over and get right up under our rail to look at the big boat and then we can't help be see you as you pass out of sight under your sheer. <Deep Sight.....> so, hears the point from someone whos been there. BB-54 is going to meet the USCG requirements for ships/boat's 65' and longer. and do so with "incandescent" bulbs. she will have a independent battery for this alone. and we will carry the little "Honda" portable 900 watt gen as a back-up. it's cheep and quite and the safest possible of all solutions. and when one factors in the damn cost of those fracking leds; a $600 Honda gen is frankly "Cheap". and i can use the gen for other stuff too. can you take your leds home or camping with your........? remember, safety at sea is not being penny wise while being pound foolish.......? fiver, Master of The "BB-54" one of the famous Cal-28 flush-decks out of Sierra-5, Papa Hotel (in days gone by) now resting outside my shop Federal Way, Wa. (built like a Battleship; sails like a Sub......) ******************************** --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Elwers, George A." <george.a.elwers@...> wrote: > > I just replaced the bow running lights on Hana (Cal 40) with Hella 2 mile fixtures. They can be made to fit in the recesses built into the bow, which is why I chose them. They've only been in for a week now, but I'm impressed with the brightness and vertical beam pattern. They came with short leads and a very cheesy mounting device, but those can be worked around. > > ________________________________ > > From: sentto-16485695-1148-1177612568-george.a.elwers=saic.com@... on behalf of Husar, Charlie > Sent: Thu 4/26/2007 11:34 AM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Replacing Conventional Lights with LED-- Issues? > > > > Travis, the LED lamps are built for the 12 volt service. The only > kicker is polarity. Standard lamps can hook up either way (depending on > possible case ground), but LEDs must have + to +. > > Cheers > Charlie > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats% 40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> ] On > Behalf Of Travis > Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 2:26 PM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Replacing Conventional Lights with LED--Issues? > > I am thinking about replacing some of the lighting in my Cal 33-2 with > LED lights. I've seen some posts on LEDs and I have the impression that > it may be not just as simple as replacing the fixtures/bulbs with LEDs. > Can anyone help with this? Can I simply buy a LED fixture and wire it > up? > > Thanks, > Travis Porter > CAL 33-2 HIN 64 > Recently renamed "Vital" after my brother's former ship USS VITAL MSO > > . >

So Madam, tell us how you really feel about LED's :-Þ Marsh slickbutfoxbuger wrote: >Greetings, Folks........ > > i don't mean to be the wet-mop around here. but where it >comes to a Ships/boat's navigational lights; i have a really big >problem with "leds". > that problem is called "Raw Candle Power"!!! > > i know that as kids, most of you probably thought nothing of >riding your bicycles all over the towns and city's that you lived in. >and when you got old enough, you most probably though nothing of >riding those same bikes around after dark. after all, you had no >difficulty seeing the cars and trucks; you were young and had the >best of eye's, Right! > and then you got older and started driving some of those cars >and trucks. and damned if you didn't start noticing just how bloody >hard it is to see the kids out riding on their bicycles after dark. >and then you knew, didn't you........ > > well, i have been in the wheel-house of tugs as big as 100' at >night. and i have been responsible and in the conning town of 10,000 >ton military vessels. and some other stuff in between. and i just >have-to be blunt here; > do you want to know what all your cheesey little minimum >required USCG approved 2 mile nav lights look like at the best of >times out in that inky blackness? all of you with boats made of the >stealthiest of non-reflective EM "Plastic" material. and most large >ships using a combination of "X" and "Y" band radar. the "X" band >mounted do high that you can easily be under it's scaning height and >they and you would not know it. and the "Y" band will never even see >you period. > well, those little lights that you are so proud of might as >well be pained red and green. they are hard to keep track of and even >notice at the best of times. and then there is the back-ground light >coming from ones own ship. have you ever noticed those big ships run >dark, how about the big fishing boats? no, they have thousands of >watt's of lights glaring on deck. and i sure as hope that you see >them, as it's been this navigators experience that we most often >times don't see you. or even worse; you will see us and mossy on over >and get right up under our rail to look at the big boat and then we >can't help be see you as you pass out of sight under your sheer. > > <Deep Sight.....> > > so, hears the point from someone whos been there. > BB-54 is going to meet the USCG requirements for >ships/boat's 65' and longer. and do so with "incandescent" bulbs. she >will have a independent battery for this alone. and we will carry the >little "Honda" portable 900 watt gen as a back-up. it's cheep and >quite and the safest possible of all solutions. and when one factors >in the damn cost of those fracking leds; a $600 Honda gen is >frankly "Cheap". and i can use the gen for other stuff too. can you >take your leds home or camping with your........? > > remember, safety at sea is not being penny wise while being >pound foolish.......? > > >fiver, >Master of The "BB-54" >one of the famous Cal-28 flush-decks >out of Sierra-5, Papa Hotel (in days gone by) >now resting outside my shop >Federal Way, Wa. > >(built like a Battleship; sails like a Sub......) > > >******************************** >--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Elwers, George A." ><george.a.elwers@...> wrote: > > >>I just replaced the bow running lights on Hana (Cal 40) with Hella >> >> >2 mile fixtures. They can be made to fit in the recesses built into >the bow, which is why I chose them. They've only been in for a week >now, but I'm impressed with the brightness and vertical beam pattern. >They came with short leads and a very cheesy mounting device, but >those can be worked around. > > >>________________________________ >> >>From: sentto-16485695-1148-1177612568-george.a.elwers=saic.com@... >> >> >on behalf of Husar, Charlie > > >>Sent: Thu 4/26/2007 11:34 AM >>To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >>Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Replacing Conventional Lights with LED-- >> >> >Issues? > > >> >>Travis, the LED lamps are built for the 12 volt service. The only >>kicker is polarity. Standard lamps can hook up either way >> >> >(depending on > > >>possible case ground), but LEDs must have + to +. >> >>Cheers >>Charlie >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats% >> >> >40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com ><mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> ] On > > >>Behalf Of Travis >>Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 2:26 PM >>To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> >>Subject: [Cal_Boats] Replacing Conventional Lights with LED--Issues? >> >>I am thinking about replacing some of the lighting in my Cal 33-2 >> >> >with > > >>LED lights. I've seen some posts on LEDs and I have the impression >> >> >that > > >>it may be not just as simple as replacing the fixtures/bulbs with >> >> >LEDs. > > >>Can anyone help with this? Can I simply buy a LED fixture and wire >> >> >it > > >>up? >> >>Thanks, >>Travis Porter >>CAL 33-2 HIN 64 >>Recently renamed "Vital" after my brother's former ship USS VITAL >> >> >MSO > > >>. >> >> >> > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Well, Capt. Marsh; i was having one hell-of-a problem with the "IR" led in my stinking mouse for the last two or three days. it's a wireless job so i can use it on the bed, and it was getting so the dumb pointer just wouldn't move at all. sort-of like it had steped in gum; it wanted to move. and it did a little some times. but towred the end, one just got the idea it wanted to grunt and give up. now i tried everything i could think of including setting the computer back 4 days. and this only after i had run full scans several times with each of the different ass-chewing programs that i use to keep the bad-guys at bay. but in the end, none of this worked. and then i was looking at the dumb mouse and trying to think of how it was different then the first one of the same type and brand that i had and lost. and then it hit me like a rock! this bloody thing had no bloody red led! Logiteck had changed it in all their wisdom to a "IR" Led. i guess to keep it out of peoples eyes. and then it doned on me! a bright red Led would not be bothered by a little lint from the comforter on my bed. but i bet that the damn "IR" would. so i put my reading glasses on and took a good look and sure enough, there was a nice little ball of lint in the hole where the "IR" Led is. so i just hufft and i puffed and i blow that lint right out! and now my little mouse-rod is working just like a big rat- rod..... fiver ***************************** --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Marsh Wise <marsh@...> wrote: > > So Madam, tell us how you really feel about LED's :-Þ > Marsh >

Hiya Travis- I don't know if I missed something but if you're referring to replacing interior overhead lights with LEDs, go for it. I replaced all the interior bulbs in Serendip last year and I save a ton of power. Check out http://www.sailorssolutions.com Their bulbs replace the existing bulbs on our 33-2 with an easy to install adaptor. -JD Serendipity CAL 33-2 #153 I replaced all the interior bulbs in Serendip last On Apr 26, 2007, at 1426 EDT, Travis wrote: > I am thinking about replacing some of the lighting in my Cal 33-2 with > LED lights. I've seen some posts on LEDs and I have the impression > that it may be not just as simple as replacing the fixtures/bulbs with > LEDs. Can anyone help with this? Can I simply buy a LED fixture and > wire it up? > > Thanks, > Travis Porter > CAL 33-2 HIN 64 > Recently renamed "Vital" after my brother's > former ship USS VITAL MSO 474

JD, George, Chris, Charlie, Thanks for the tips on the lighting. I think it is not going to be the pain that I thought it would be. Travis Vital Cal 33-2, 1986 ----- Original Message ----- From: NYBoilermaker To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 7:56 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Replacing Conventional Lights with LED--Issues? Hiya Travis- I don't know if I missed something but if you're referring to replacing interior overhead lights with LEDs, go for it. I replaced all the interior bulbs in Serendip last year and I save a ton of power. Check out http://www.sailorssolutions.com Their bulbs replace the existing bulbs on our 33-2 with an easy to install adaptor. -JD Serendipity CAL 33-2 #153 I replaced all the interior bulbs in Serendip last On Apr 26, 2007, at 1426 EDT, Travis wrote: > I am thinking about replacing some of the lighting in my Cal 33-2 with > LED lights. I've seen some posts on LEDs and I have the impression > that it may be not just as simple as replacing the fixtures/bulbs with > LEDs. Can anyone help with this? Can I simply buy a LED fixture and > wire it up? > > Thanks, > Travis Porter > CAL 33-2 HIN 64 > Recently renamed "Vital" after my brother's > former ship USS VITAL MSO 474

Well looks like my 1977 Cal 34 III is sold. Cash was exchanged Friday for the price and new owners are working on her. The purchasers live in St. Petersburg Russia, however are from Ireland and have a long history of long distance sailing. Also, one of his friends is here in the States (Irish National) and is a Navel Architect and came to the boat several times to check her out. They plan on taking her back in the next 3+/- weeks...I was completely worried about the a scam, however can see no angle. Even had the cash checked for counterfeit money. Also, the boat is still on the hard blocked in by other boats and has to be trucked to the water, so I still have control as the yard manager is a friend and knows my concerns Was interesting why they purchased the boat here. According to them, due to the exchange rate, significant European taxes, Safety inspection costs and other $ items imposed on purchase of used boats as well as a lack of quality used fiberglass boats, the best bet for their money was here in the States. What an adventure the old Cal will have! Wonder if there are any Cals over in Europe? Now there will be one! Greg Former 1977 Cal 34 III

--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Sail Away <Svadas4@...> wrote: > > Well looks like my 1977 Cal 34 III is sold. snipped > What an adventure the old Cal will have! Wonder if there are any Cals over in Europe? Now there will be one! There is a Cal 40 in Sweden and one in the Med that was sold new to a German who kept it in the Med for cruising. The Swedish boat did at least one Bermuda Race. Mike Kennedy Conqust Cal 40 # 96 There are also Cal 40s in South Africa and Brazil. > > Greg > Former 1977 Cal 34 III >