What does sailing mean to you?

What does sailing mean to you?

14 messages2007-05-07 17:30 UTCthrough 2007-05-25 00:39 UTC

What does sailing mean to you?

ti… [at] ch2m.com2007-05-07 17:30 UTC
How taking a sailor on trip can make a life complete. Sailing, much more than a sport.

Re: [Cal_Boats] What does sailing mean to you?

Chris Campbell2007-05-07 18:46 UTC
ti… [at] ch2m.com wrote: > > How taking a sailor on > trip can make a life complete. > > Sailing, much more than a sport. > > >From Peggy Sue, John Davis' wife: > > > You two will never, never know, the huge gift you gave to > my beloved John...a dream of a lifetime, an opportunity > that doesn't pass this way too often...He had the time of > his life, and I do mean, THE TIME OF HIS LIFE...When he > walked off the plane upon arriving at the airport after > the trip, I was shocked to see something, someone so > different...a new man really, and a most happy, content > one... > Well, I suspect that most of us know this, but it's always nice to be reminded. I can't imagine that you'd get letters like this after taking somebody to play golf. I was going through more pre-launch maintenance and preparation this weekend and the thought came to mind, "why do I spend so much time working on this boat?" One answer is that keeping a good boat is a challenge, but the other is that the rewards of sailing it, of engaging in that intrinsically valuable activity, are so great that they provide ample compensation for the work. Chris Campbell

Santa Barbara to Ventura Hardway Race

dwowen2007-05-18 17:26 UTC
So-Cal Sailors, Mariposa has a crew shortage for tomorrow's race from Santa Barbara to Ventura. Our fleet goes 12nm to weather around the Mid-Channel Buoy and then downwind to Platform Grace, then a close reach back to Ventura. It's a 43nm course. I would normally welcome a crew shortage for this race -- it is most often very light air, but this year winds are forecast to be excellent -- 10-20 from the west, gusting to 25. Anybody want a wild ride? Wilkie

Re: [Cal_Boats] Santa Barbara to Ventura Hardway Race

Randy Alcorn2007-05-20 18:27 UTC
Hey David, How did the race go? From Oxnard it looks like the winds didn't come in. We had less than 6 kts in the aftternoon. I hated to miss out on this race. I had Daddy Duties this weekend, my son had a marching and competition. Tell us how it went. Randy CAL 2-29 Out Patient Channel Islands CA dwowen <dw… [at] cox.net> wrote: So-Cal Sailors, Mariposa has a crew shortage for tomorrow's race from Santa Barbara to Ventura. Our fleet goes 12nm to weather around the Mid-Channel Buoy and then downwind to Platform Grace, then a close reach back to Ventura. It's a 43nm course. I would normally welcome a crew shortage for this race -- it is most often very light air, but this year winds are forecast to be excellent -- 10-20 from the west, gusting to 25. Anybody want a wild ride? Wilkie --------------------------------- Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit.

RE: [Cal_Boats] Santa Barbara to Ventura Hardway Race

dwowen2007-05-22 01:30 UTC
Randy, You are right. The wind never filled in as forecast. We struggled horribly to keep the boat moving to the Mid-Channel buoy. I think it took us a little over 7.5 hours to go 12 NM. I timed Dan Casey rounding the Buoy and he was only 15 minutes ahead of us (an achievement for us,) but apparently he caught the abating wind and rode it away from us. We couldn't believe how far he had run as we came around it. Then we were shocked at how fast he continued to disappear. I've followed him downwind before, but have never seen him pull away like that (I think I've even caught or at least stayed with him a couple of times.) He told me they had enough wind to surf to 10 knots. Not us. We'd catch the swells and as we started to surf down them, the chute would collapse and the main would backwind and no amount of crew weight or trimming adjustments would do otherwise. We heated up and tried to get in closer to the Island, but the seas did much the same and we were losing course. We were making 6.5 knots on average, but it wasn't enough. I've surfed Mariposa to 11 and even 12 knots in the right conditions. She loves to surf. Couldn't get it going... We think that the big seas were wrapping around the Island from the 40 knots that was blowing outside, and we just missed out on enough wind to keep the kite pulling as we surfed. That's one theory. Another factor, of course, is that Dan's 9.2 weighs a solid ton less than my 29 and the IOR design might let some of those seas slide under him? I don't know? Maybe he just out-drove me? So fading from 15 minutes to probably an hour behind, we caught the land breeze and rode it to about 2.5 NM out before it disappeared. I had about 3 hours of sleep the night before and the crew were tired and cold and we were looking at another 3 or 4 hours to get into the harbor from 2.5 miles out when we revolted and started the engine. We knew we were the last boat out there in our class. It turns out that it cost us a third place trophy (but it still would have been last place,) the rest of the fleet having also called in DNF. Dan's a great competitor and he thrashed me. All I can say is we had hot lasagna, cold beer and margaritas on board as a consolation. David Wilkie Owen Cal 2-29 "Mariposa" Santa Barbara, CA http://www.mariposasailing.com From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Randy Alcorn Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 11:27 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Santa Barbara to Ventura Hardway Race Hey David, How did the race go? From Oxnard it looks like the winds didn't come in. We had less than 6 kts in the aftternoon. I hated to miss out on this race. I had Daddy Duties this weekend, my son had a marching and competition. Tell us how it went. Randy CAL 2-29 Out Patient Channel Islands CA dwowen <dw… [at] cox.net> wrote: So-Cal Sailors, Mariposa has a crew shortage for tomorrow's race from Santa Barbara to Ventura. Our fleet goes 12nm to weather around the Mid-Channel Buoy and then downwind to Platform Grace, then a close reach back to Ventura. It's a 43nm course. I would normally welcome a crew shortage for this race -- it is most often very light air, but this year winds are forecast to be excellent -- 10-20 from the west, gusting to 25. Anybody want a wild ride? Wilkie Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel <http://travel.yahoo.com/hotelsearchpage;_ylc=X3oDMTFtaTIzNXVjBF9TAzk3NDA3NT g5BF9zAzI3MTk0ODEEcG9zAzIEc2VjA21haWx0YWdsaW5lBHNsawNxMS0wNw--> to find your fit.

RE: [Cal_Boats] Santa Barbara to Ventura Hardway Race (9.2)

ti… [at] ch2m.com2007-05-22 21:02 UTC
Them Cal 9.2's are very slippery boats. We are always the slowest PHRF boat in our races... hehehehe.. but rarely finish last.... The odd football shape seems to just fit into the waves, and the very flat middle and transom, makes these little devils pop out of the water and surf... or crash! Funny boat, if you wiggle the helm at the right spot on a wave, they surf like crazy. Last weekend, we out surfed many bigger boats, up to 13.8 knots in 20 knots of wind. but they ate us up in the beating up the coast mode.... We were First in Class, 7th overall, but as the regression curve shows, kicked some serious booty. In 2006 Bob Brunius of Time Bandit posted the results of the race plotting Rating Verses position, and then applying a regression curve to the plot. Bob stated back then: "....The chart I'm sending plots the over-all finish position vs. handicap for the fleet. On this chart there is a linear regression which is the straight line. If the course were neutral relative to handicap the line would be horizontal. This line clearly shows that the trend was for the faster boats to finish higher after handicapping which is no news. In the chart, the higher a boat sets above the trend line the better the performance....." For fun, I've plotted this years race using Bob's technique. To see how you performed against the Course bias, find your position in the race, and see if you are above or below the line. Great Job Wilkie, and Dan. dEmO From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dwowen Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 6:30 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Santa Barbara to Ventura Hardway Race Randy, You are right. The wind never filled in as forecast. We struggled horribly to keep the boat moving to the Mid-Channel buoy. I think it took us a little over 7.5 hours to go 12 NM. I timed Dan Casey rounding the Buoy and he was only 15 minutes ahead of us (an achievement for us,) but apparently he caught the abating wind and rode it away from us. We couldn't believe how far he had run as we came around it. Then we were shocked at how fast he continued to disappear. I've followed him downwind before, but have never seen him pull away like that (I think I've even caught or at least stayed with him a couple of times.) He told me they had enough wind to surf to 10 knots. Not us. We'd catch the swells and as we started to surf down them, the chute would collapse and the main would backwind and no amount of crew weight or trimming adjustments would do otherwise. We heated up and tried to get in closer to the Island, but the seas did much the same and we were losing course. We were making 6.5 knots on average, but it wasn't enough. I've surfed Mariposa to 11 and even 12 knots in the right conditions. She loves to surf. Couldn't get it going... We think that the big seas were wrapping around the Island from the 40 knots that was blowing outside, and we just missed out on enough wind to keep the kite pulling as we surfed. That's one theory. Another factor, of course, is that Dan's 9.2 weighs a solid ton less than my 29 and the IOR design might let some of those seas slide under him? I don't know? Maybe he just out-drove me? So fading from 15 minutes to probably an hour behind, we caught the land breeze and rode it to about 2.5 NM out before it disappeared. I had about 3 hours of sleep the night before and the crew were tired and cold and we were looking at another 3 or 4 hours to get into the harbor from 2.5 miles out when we revolted and started the engine. We knew we were the last boat out there in our class. It turns out that it cost us a third place trophy (but it still would have been last place,) the rest of the fleet having also called in DNF. Dan's a great competitor and he thrashed me. All I can say is we had hot lasagna, cold beer and margaritas on board as a consolation. David Wilkie Owen Cal 2-29 "Mariposa" Santa Barbara, CA http://www.mariposasailing.com <http://www.mariposasailing.com> From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Randy Alcorn Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 11:27 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Santa Barbara to Ventura Hardway Race Hey David, How did the race go? From Oxnard it looks like the winds didn't come in. We had less than 6 kts in the aftternoon. I hated to miss out on this race. I had Daddy Duties this weekend, my son had a marching and competition. Tell us how it went. Randy CAL 2-29 Out Patient Channel Islands CA dwowen <dw… [at] cox.net <mailto:dwowen%40cox.net> > wrote: So-Cal Sailors, Mariposa has a crew shortage for tomorrow's race from Santa Barbara to Ventura. Our fleet goes 12nm to weather around the Mid-Channel Buoy and then downwind to Platform Grace, then a close reach back to Ventura. It's a 43nm course. I would normally welcome a crew shortage for this race -- it is most often very light air, but this year winds are forecast to be excellent -- 10-20 from the west, gusting to 25. Anybody want a wild ride? Wilkie Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel < http://travel.yahoo.com/hotelsearchpage;_ylc=X3oDMTFtaTIzNXVjBF9TAzk3NDA 3NT <http://travel.yahoo.com/hotelsearchpage;_ylc=X3oDMTFtaTIzNXVjBF9TAzk3ND A3NT> g5BF9zAzI3MTk0ODEEcG9zAzIEc2VjA21haWx0YWdsaW5lBHNsawNxMS0wNw--> to find your fit.

RE: [Cal_Boats] Santa Barbara to Ventura Hardway Race (9.2)

Randy Alcorn2007-05-23 02:52 UTC
Eric, you out there? Check this out! We are slacking? Randy CAL 2-29 Out Patient Channel Islands CA ti… [at] ch2m.com wrote: Them Cal 9.2's are very slippery boats. We are always the slowest PHRF boat in our races... hehehehe.. but rarely finish last.... The odd football shape seems to just fit into the waves, and the very flat middle and transom, makes these little devils pop out of the water and surf... or crash! Funny boat, if you wiggle the helm at the right spot on a wave, they surf like crazy. Last weekend, we out surfed many bigger boats, up to 13.8 knots in 20 knots of wind. but they ate us up in the beating up the coast mode.... We were First in Class, 7th overall, but as the regression curve shows, kicked some serious booty. In 2006 Bob Brunius of Time Bandit posted the results of the race plotting Rating Verses position, and then applying a regression curve to the plot. Bob stated back then: "....The chart I'm sending plots the over-all finish position vs. handicap for the fleet. On this chart there is a linear regression which is the straight line. If the course were neutral relative to handicap the line would be horizontal. This line clearly shows that the trend was for the faster boats to finish higher after handicapping which is no news. In the chart, the higher a boat sets above the trend line the better the performance....." For fun, I've plotted this years race using Bob's technique. To see how you performed against the Course bias, find your position in the race, and see if you are above or below the line. Great Job Wilkie, and Dan. dEmO --------------------------------- From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dwowen Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 6:30 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Santa Barbara to Ventura Hardway Race Randy, You are right. The wind never filled in as forecast. We struggled horribly to keep the boat moving to the Mid-Channel buoy. I think it took us a little over 7.5 hours to go 12 NM. I timed Dan Casey rounding the Buoy and he was only 15 minutes ahead of us (an achievement for us,) but apparently he caught the abating wind and rode it away from us. We couldn't believe how far he had run as we came around it. Then we were shocked at how fast he continued to disappear. I've followed him downwind before, but have never seen him pull away like that (I think I've even caught or at least stayed with him a couple of times.) He told me they had enough wind to surf to 10 knots. Not us. We'd catch the swells and as we started to surf down them, the chute would collapse and the main would backwind and no amount of crew weight or trimming adjustments would do otherwise. We heated up and tried to get in closer to the Island, but the seas did much the same and we were losing course. We were making 6.5 knots on average, but it wasn't enough. I've surfed Mariposa to 11 and even 12 knots in the right conditions. She loves to surf. Couldn't get it going... We think that the big seas were wrapping around the Island from the 40 knots that was blowing outside, and we just missed out on enough wind to keep the kite pulling as we surfed. That's one theory. Another factor, of course, is that Dan's 9.2 weighs a solid ton less than my 29 and the IOR design might let some of those seas slide under him? I don't know? Maybe he just out-drove me? So fading from 15 minutes to probably an hour behind, we caught the land breeze and rode it to about 2.5 NM out before it disappeared. I had about 3 hours of sleep the night before and the crew were tired and cold and we were looking at another 3 or 4 hours to get into the harbor from 2.5 miles out when we revolted and started the engine. We knew we were the last boat out there in our class. It turns out that it cost us a third place trophy (but it still would have been last place,) the rest of the fleet having also called in DNF. Dan's a great competitor and he thrashed me. All I can say is we had hot lasagna, cold beer and margaritas on board as a consolation. David Wilkie Owen Cal 2-29 "Mariposa" Santa Barbara, CA http://www.mariposasailing.com From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Randy Alcorn Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 11:27 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Santa Barbara to Ventura Hardway Race Hey David, How did the race go? From Oxnard it looks like the winds didn't come in. We had less than 6 kts in the aftternoon. I hated to miss out on this race. I had Daddy Duties this weekend, my son had a marching and competition. Tell us how it went. Randy CAL 2-29 Out Patient Channel Islands CA dwowen <dw… [at] cox.net> wrote: So-Cal Sailors, Mariposa has a crew shortage for tomorrow's race from Santa Barbara to Ventura. Our fleet goes 12nm to weather around the Mid-Channel Buoy and then downwind to Platform Grace, then a close reach back to Ventura. It's a 43nm course. I would normally welcome a crew shortage for this race -- it is most often very light air, but this year winds are forecast to be excellent -- 10-20 from the west, gusting to 25. Anybody want a wild ride? Wilkie Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel <http://travel.yahoo.com/hotelsearchpage;_ylc=X3oDMTFtaTIzNXVjBF9TAzk3NDA3NT g5BF9zAzI3MTk0ODEEcG9zAzIEc2VjA21haWx0YWdsaW5lBHNsawNxMS0wNw--> to find your fit. --------------------------------- 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut.

RE: [Cal_Boats] Santa Barbara to Ventura Hardway Race (9.2)

Downing, Thomas2007-05-23 11:02 UTC
I'm curious about this. Is the regression line just a best fit, or is it calculated some other way? thanks td From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of ti… [at] ch2m.com Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 5:03 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Santa Barbara to Ventura Hardway Race (9.2) Them Cal 9.2's are very slippery boats. We are always the slowest PHRF boat in our races... hehehehe.. but rarely finish last.... The odd football shape seems to just fit into the waves, and the very flat middle and transom, makes these little devils pop out of the water and surf... or crash! Funny boat, if you wiggle the helm at the right spot on a wave, they surf like crazy. Last weekend, we out surfed many bigger boats, up to 13.8 knots in 20 knots of wind. but they ate us up in the beating up the coast mode.... We were First in Class, 7th overall, but as the regression curve shows, kicked some serious booty. In 2006 Bob Brunius of Time Bandit posted the results of the race plotting Rating Verses position, and then applying a regression curve to the plot. Bob stated back then: "....The chart I'm sending plots the over-all finish position vs. handicap for the fleet. On this chart there is a linear regression which is the straight line. If the course were neutral relative to handicap the line would be horizontal. This line clearly shows that the trend was for the faster boats to finish higher after handicapping which is no news. In the chart, the higher a boat sets above the trend line the better the performance....." For fun, I've plotted this years race using Bob's technique. To see how you performed against the Course bias, find your position in the race, and see if you are above or below the line. Great Job Wilkie, and Dan. dEmO _____ From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dwowen Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 6:30 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Santa Barbara to Ventura Hardway Race Randy, You are right. The wind never filled in as forecast. We struggled horribly to keep the boat moving to the Mid-Channel buoy. I think it took us a little over 7.5 hours to go 12 NM. I timed Dan Casey rounding the Buoy and he was only 15 minutes ahead of us (an achievement for us,) but apparently he caught the abating wind and rode it away from us. We couldn't believe how far he had run as we came around it. Then we were shocked at how fast he continued to disappear. I've followed him downwind before, but have never seen him pull away like that (I think I've even caught or at least stayed with him a couple of times.) He told me they had enough wind to surf to 10 knots. Not us. We'd catch the swells and as we started to surf down them, the chute would collapse and the main would backwind and no amount of crew weight or trimming adjustments would do otherwise. We heated up and tried to get in closer to the Island, but the seas did much the same and we were losing course. We were making 6.5 knots on average, but it wasn't enough. I've surfed Mariposa to 11 and even 12 knots in the right conditions. She loves to surf. Couldn't get it going... We think that the big seas were wrapping around the Island from the 40 knots that was blowing outside, and we just missed out on enough wind to keep the kite pulling as we surfed. That's one theory. Another factor, of course, is that Dan's 9.2 weighs a solid ton less than my 29 and the IOR design might let some of those seas slide under him? I don't know? Maybe he just out-drove me? So fading from 15 minutes to probably an hour behind, we caught the land breeze and rode it to about 2.5 NM out before it disappeared. I had about 3 hours of sleep the night before and the crew were tired and cold and we were looking at another 3 or 4 hours to get into the harbor from 2.5 miles out when we revolted and started the engine. We knew we were the last boat out there in our class. It turns out that it cost us a third place trophy (but it still would have been last place,) the rest of the fleet having also called in DNF. Dan's a great competitor and he thrashed me. All I can say is we had hot lasagna, cold beer and margaritas on board as a consolation. David Wilkie Owen Cal 2-29 "Mariposa" Santa Barbara, CA http://www.mariposa <http://www.mariposasailing.com> sailing.com From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com [mailto: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com] On Behalf Of Randy Alcorn Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 11:27 AM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Santa Barbara to Ventura Hardway Race Hey David, How did the race go? From Oxnard it looks like the winds didn't come in. We had less than 6 kts in the aftternoon. I hated to miss out on this race. I had Daddy Duties this weekend, my son had a marching and competition. Tell us how it went. Randy CAL 2-29 Out Patient Channel Islands CA dwowen < dw… [at] cox.net <mailto:dwowen%40cox.net> > wrote: So-Cal Sailors, Mariposa has a crew shortage for tomorrow's race from Santa Barbara to Ventura. Our fleet goes 12nm to weather around the Mid-Channel Buoy and then downwind to Platform Grace, then a close reach back to Ventura. It's a 43nm course. I would normally welcome a crew shortage for this race -- it is most often very light air, but this year winds are forecast to be excellent -- 10-20 from the west, gusting to 25. Anybody want a wild ride? Wilkie Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel < http://travel. <http://travel.yahoo.com/hotelsearchpage;_ylc=X3oDMTFtaTIzNXVjBF9TAzk3NDA3NT> yahoo.com/hotelsearchpage;_ylc=X3oDMTFtaTIzNXVjBF9TAzk3NDA3NT g5BF9zAzI3MTk0ODEEcG9zAzIEc2VjA21haWx0YWdsaW5lBHNsawNxMS0wNw--> to find your fit. DISCLAIMER: Important Notice ************************************************* This e-mail may contain information that is confidential, privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not an intended recipient of this e-mail, do not duplicate or redistribute it by any means. 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RE: [Cal_Boats] Santa Barbara to Ventura Hardway Race (9.2)

Husar, Charlie2007-05-23 12:36 UTC
Looks like Timmo kicked theoretical butt. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ti… [at] ch2m.com Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 5:03 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Santa Barbara to Ventura Hardway Race (9.2) Them Cal 9.2's are very slippery boats. We are always the slowest PHRF boat in our races... hehehehe.. but rarely finish last.... The odd football shape seems to just fit into the waves, and the very flat middle and transom, makes these little devils pop out of the water and surf... or crash! Funny boat, if you wiggle the helm at the right spot on a wave, they surf like crazy. Last weekend, we out surfed many bigger boats, up to 13.8 knots in 20 knots of wind. but they ate us up in the beating up the coast mode.... We were First in Class, 7th overall, but as the regression curve shows, kicked some serious booty. In 2006 Bob Brunius of Time Bandit posted the results of the race plotting Rating Verses position, and then applying a regression curve to the plot. Bob stated back then: "....The chart I'm sending plots the over-all finish position vs. handicap for the fleet. On this chart there is a linear regression which is the straight line. If the course were neutral relative to handicap the line would be horizontal. This line clearly shows that the trend was for the faster boats to finish higher after handicapping which is no news. In the chart, the higher a boat sets above the trend line the better the performance....." For fun, I've plotted this years race using Bob's technique. To see how you performed against the Course bias, find your position in the race, and see if you are above or below the line. Great Job Wilkie, and Dan. dEmO From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dwowen Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 6:30 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Santa Barbara to Ventura Hardway Race Randy, You are right. The wind never filled in as forecast. We struggled horribly to keep the boat moving to the Mid-Channel buoy. I think it took us a little over 7.5 hours to go 12 NM. I timed Dan Casey rounding the Buoy and he was only 15 minutes ahead of us (an achievement for us,) but apparently he caught the abating wind and rode it away from us. We couldn't believe how far he had run as we came around it. Then we were shocked at how fast he continued to disappear. I've followed him downwind before, but have never seen him pull away like that (I think I've even caught or at least stayed with him a couple of times.) He told me they had enough wind to surf to 10 knots. Not us. We'd catch the swells and as we started to surf down them, the chute would collapse and the main would backwind and no amount of crew weight or trimming adjustments would do otherwise. We heated up and tried to get in closer to the Island, but the seas did much the same and we were losing course. We were making 6.5 knots on average, but it wasn't enough. I've surfed Mariposa to 11 and even 12 knots in the right conditions. She loves to surf. Couldn't get it going... We think that the big seas were wrapping around the Island from the 40 knots that was blowing outside, and we just missed out on enough wind to keep the kite pulling as we surfed. That's one theory. Another factor, of course, is that Dan's 9.2 weighs a solid ton less than my 29 and the IOR design might let some of those seas slide under him? I don't know? Maybe he just out-drove me? So fading from 15 minutes to probably an hour behind, we caught the land breeze and rode it to about 2.5 NM out before it disappeared. I had about 3 hours of sleep the night before and the crew were tired and cold and we were looking at another 3 or 4 hours to get into the harbor from 2.5 miles out when we revolted and started the engine. We knew we were the last boat out there in our class. It turns out that it cost us a third place trophy (but it still would have been last place,) the rest of the fleet having also called in DNF. Dan's a great competitor and he thrashed me. All I can say is we had hot lasagna, cold beer and margaritas on board as a consolation. David Wilkie Owen Cal 2-29 "Mariposa" Santa Barbara, CA http://www.mariposasailing.com <http://www.mariposasailing.com> From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Randy Alcorn Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 11:27 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Santa Barbara to Ventura Hardway Race Hey David, How did the race go? From Oxnard it looks like the winds didn't come in. We had less than 6 kts in the aftternoon. I hated to miss out on this race. I had Daddy Duties this weekend, my son had a marching and competition. Tell us how it went. Randy CAL 2-29 Out Patient Channel Islands CA dwowen <dw… [at] cox.net <mailto:dwowen%40cox.net> > wrote: So-Cal Sailors, Mariposa has a crew shortage for tomorrow's race from Santa Barbara to Ventura. Our fleet goes 12nm to weather around the Mid-Channel Buoy and then downwind to Platform Grace, then a close reach back to Ventura. It's a 43nm course. I would normally welcome a crew shortage for this race -- it is most often very light air, but this year winds are forecast to be excellent -- 10-20 from the west, gusting to 25. Anybody want a wild ride? Wilkie Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel < http://travel.yahoo.com/hotelsearchpage;_ylc=X3oDMTFtaTIzNXVjBF9TAzk3NDA 3NT <http://travel.yahoo.com/hotelsearchpage;_ylc=X3oDMTFtaTIzNXVjBF9TAzk3ND A3NT> g5BF9zAzI3MTk0ODEEcG9zAzIEc2VjA21haWx0YWdsaW5lBHNsawNxMS0wNw--> to find your fit.

RE: [Cal_Boats] Santa Barbara to Ventura Hardway Race (9.2)

ti… [at] ch2m.com2007-05-23 16:15 UTC
This is an Microsoft XL Function, linear regression analysis of data. There are other regressions available. The formula Excel came up with is y=12.495x + 16. And yes Charlie, my Theoretical Trophy for this race, is prominent in my theoretical trophy case, right next to my theoretical completed to do list my wife has for me. Cheers dEmO From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Downing, Thomas Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 4:02 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Santa Barbara to Ventura Hardway Race (9.2) I'm curious about this. Is the regression line just a best fit, or is it calculated some other way? thanks td -----Original Message----- From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of ti… [at] ch2m.com Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 5:03 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Santa Barbara to Ventura Hardway Race (9.2) Them Cal 9.2's are very slippery boats. We are always the slowest PHRF boat in our races... hehehehe.. but rarely finish last.... The odd football shape seems to just fit into the waves, and the very flat middle and transom, makes these little devils pop out of the water and surf... or crash! Funny boat, if you wiggle the helm at the right spot on a wave, they surf like crazy. Last weekend, we out surfed many bigger boats, up to 13.8 knots in 20 knots of wind. but they ate us up in the beating up the coast mode.... We were First in Class, 7th overall, but as the regression curve shows, kicked some serious booty. In 2006 Bob Brunius of Time Bandit posted the results of the race plotting Rating Verses position, and then applying a regression curve to the plot. Bob stated back then: "....The chart I'm sending plots the over-all finish position vs. handicap for the fleet. On this chart there is a linear regression which is the straight line. If the course were neutral relative to handicap the line would be horizontal. This line clearly shows that the trend was for the faster boats to finish higher after handicapping which is no news. In the chart, the higher a boat sets above the trend line the better the performance....." For fun, I've plotted this years race using Bob's technique. To see how you performed against the Course bias, find your position in the race, and see if you are above or below the line. Great Job Wilkie, and Dan. dEmO From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dwowen Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 6:30 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Santa Barbara to Ventura Hardway Race Randy, You are right. The wind never filled in as forecast. We struggled horribly to keep the boat moving to the Mid-Channel buoy. I think it took us a little over 7.5 hours to go 12 NM. I timed Dan Casey rounding the Buoy and he was only 15 minutes ahead of us (an achievement for us,) but apparently he caught the abating wind and rode it away from us. We couldn't believe how far he had run as we came around it. Then we were shocked at how fast he continued to disappear. I've followed him downwind before, but have never seen him pull away like that (I think I've even caught or at least stayed with him a couple of times.) He told me they had enough wind to surf to 10 knots. Not us. We'd catch the swells and as we started to surf down them, the chute would collapse and the main would backwind and no amount of crew weight or trimming adjustments would do otherwise. We heated up and tried to get in closer to the Island, but the seas did much the same and we were losing course. We were making 6.5 knots on average, but it wasn't enough. I've surfed Mariposa to 11 and even 12 knots in the right conditions. She loves to surf. Couldn't get it going... We think that the big seas were wrapping around the Island from the 40 knots that was blowing outside, and we just missed out on enough wind to keep the kite pulling as we surfed. That's one theory. Another factor, of course, is that Dan's 9.2 weighs a solid ton less than my 29 and the IOR design might let some of those seas slide under him? I don't know? Maybe he just out-drove me? So fading from 15 minutes to probably an hour behind, we caught the land breeze and rode it to about 2.5 NM out before it disappeared. I had about 3 hours of sleep the night before and the crew were tired and cold and we were looking at another 3 or 4 hours to get into the harbor from 2.5 miles out when we revolted and started the engine. We knew we were the last boat out there in our class. It turns out that it cost us a third place trophy (but it still would have been last place,) the rest of the fleet having also called in DNF. Dan's a great competitor and he thrashed me. All I can say is we had hot lasagna, cold beer and margaritas on board as a consolation. David Wilkie Owen _________________ Cal 2-29 "Mariposa" Santa Barbara, CA http://www.mariposasailing.com <http://www.mariposasailing.com> -----Original Message----- From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Randy Alcorn Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 11:27 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Santa Barbara to Ventura Hardway Race Hey David, How did the race go? From Oxnard it looks like the winds didn't come in. We had less than 6 kts in the aftternoon. I hated to miss out on this race. I had Daddy Duties this weekend, my son had a marching and competition. Tell us how it went. Randy CAL 2-29 Out Patient Channel Islands CA dwowen <dw… [at] cox.net <mailto:dwowen%40cox.net> > wrote: So-Cal Sailors, Mariposa has a crew shortage for tomorrow's race from Santa Barbara to Ventura. Our fleet goes 12nm to weather around the Mid-Channel Buoy and then downwind to Platform Grace, then a close reach back to Ventura. It's a 43nm course. I would normally welcome a crew shortage for this race -- it is most often very light air, but this year winds are forecast to be excellent -- 10-20 from the west, gusting to 25. Anybody want a wild ride? Wilkie ________________________________ Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel < http://travel.yahoo.com/hotelsearchpage;_ylc=X3oDMTFtaTIzNXVjBF9TAzk3NDA 3NT <http://travel.yahoo.com/hotelsearchpage;_ylc=X3oDMTFtaTIzNXVjBF9TAzk3ND A3NT> g5BF9zAzI3MTk0ODEEcG9zAzIEc2VjA21haWx0YWdsaW5lBHNsawNxMS0wNw--> to find your fit. DISCLAIMER: Important Notice ************************************************* This e-mail may contain information that is confidential, privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. 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Re: [Cal_Boats] Santa Barbara to Ventura Hardway Race (9.2)

Eric Jackson2007-05-23 16:24 UTC
hey randy, what are you guys doing... having tea.. no excuses, you should be taking first place every race.. whats going on this weekend? im going out to coches on santa cruz island. a great anchorage and close to some good surf breaks.. you should come out and join us.. eric jackson BAREFOOT 1971 CAL 29 CHANNEL ISLANDS CA. On May 22, 2007, at 7:52 PM, Randy Alcorn wrote: > > Eric, you out there? > > Check this out! > > We are slacking? > > Randy > > CAL 2-29 > Out Patient > Channel Islands CA >

Swiftsure

ti… [at] ch2m.com2007-05-23 16:28 UTC
Cal-listees, dEmO and the Cal 9.2 "Freewind" will be in the 2007 Swiftsure this weekend. There will be over 100 boats on our starting line for the Cape Flattery Race (104 miles). We are the fleet "pig" the slowest PHRF rated boat in the race. If there are other cal-listees up there for the race, it would be great to see you! We are moored where the old barge was, near the Square Rigger. Drinks are on me! Cheers! (Pigs can FLY!) dEmO <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=16485695/grpspId=1705065792/ msgId=7049/stime=1179936939/nc1=4430620/nc2=3848621/nc3=4507179>

Re: Swiftsure

Neil McBride2007-05-24 03:01
Good luck in Swiftsure. I'll be out there watching the start and the progress of the various boats, so now will watch for you. I'll be the one with the three ladies as crew and a beer. Neil "Optima" Cal 2-29 Victoria --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, <timmothy.lessley@...> wrote: > > Cal-listees, > > dEmO and the Cal 9.2 "Freewind" will be in the 2007 Swiftsure this > weekend. There will be over 100 boats on our starting line for the Cape > Flattery Race (104 miles). We are the fleet "pig" the slowest PHRF rated > boat in the race. > > If there are other cal-listees up there for the race, it would be great > to see you! > > We are moored where the old barge was, near the Square Rigger. Drinks > are on me! > > Cheers! > > (Pigs can FLY!) > > dEmO > > <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv? s=97359714/grpId=16485695/grpspId=1705065792/ > msgId=7049/stime=1179936939/nc1=4430620/nc2=3848621/nc3=4507179> >

RE: [Cal_Boats] Santa Barbara to Ventura Hardway Race (9.2)

Nick2007-05-25 00:39 UTC
Excel uses the 'Least Squares' method: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Least_squares Nick From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ti… [at] ch2m.com Sent: May 23, 2007 9:15 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Santa Barbara to Ventura Hardway Race (9.2) This is an Microsoft XL Function, linear regression analysis of data. There are other regressions available. The formula Excel came up with is y=12.495x + 16. And yes Charlie, my Theoretical Trophy for this race, is prominent in my theoretical trophy case, right next to my theoretical completed to do list my wife has for me. Cheers dEmO _____ From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Downing, Thomas Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 4:02 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Santa Barbara to Ventura Hardway Race (9.2) I'm curious about this. Is the regression line just a best fit, or is it calculated some other way? thanks td . <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=16485695/grpspId=1705065792/msgI d=7049/stime=1179936939/nc1=4430620/nc2=3848621/nc3=4507179>