14 messages2007-05-07 17:30 UTCthrough 2007-05-25 00:39 UTC
What does sailing mean to you?
ti… [at] ch2m.com2007-05-07 17:30 UTC
How taking a sailor on
trip can make a life complete.
Sailing, much more than a sport.
Re: [Cal_Boats] What does sailing mean to you?
Chris Campbell2007-05-07 18:46 UTC
ti… [at] ch2m.com wrote:
>
> How taking a sailor on
> trip can make a life complete.
>
> Sailing, much more than a sport.
>
> >From Peggy Sue, John Davis' wife:
>
>
> You two will never, never know, the huge gift you gave to
> my beloved John...a dream of a lifetime, an opportunity
> that doesn't pass this way too often...He had the time of
> his life, and I do mean, THE TIME OF HIS LIFE...When he
> walked off the plane upon arriving at the airport after
> the trip, I was shocked to see something, someone so
> different...a new man really, and a most happy, content
> one...
>
Well, I suspect that most of us know this, but it's always nice to be
reminded. I can't imagine that you'd get letters like this after taking
somebody to play golf. I was going through more pre-launch maintenance
and preparation this weekend and the thought came to mind, "why do I
spend so much time working on this boat?" One answer is that keeping
a good boat is a challenge, but the other is that the rewards of sailing
it, of engaging in that intrinsically valuable activity, are so great
that they provide ample compensation for the work.
Chris Campbell
Santa Barbara to Ventura Hardway Race
dwowen2007-05-18 17:26 UTC
So-Cal Sailors,
Mariposa has a crew shortage for tomorrow's race from Santa Barbara to
Ventura. Our fleet goes 12nm to weather around the Mid-Channel Buoy and
then downwind to Platform Grace, then a close reach back to Ventura. It's a
43nm course.
I would normally welcome a crew shortage for this race -- it is most often
very light air, but this year winds are forecast to be excellent -- 10-20
from the west, gusting to 25.
Anybody want a wild ride?
Wilkie
Re: [Cal_Boats] Santa Barbara to Ventura Hardway Race
Randy Alcorn2007-05-20 18:27 UTC
Hey David,
How did the race go? From Oxnard it looks like the winds didn't come in. We had less than 6 kts in the aftternoon.
I hated to miss out on this race. I had Daddy Duties this weekend, my son had a marching and competition.
Tell us how it went.
Randy
CAL 2-29
Out Patient
Channel Islands CA
dwowen <dw… [at] cox.net> wrote:
So-Cal Sailors,
Mariposa has a crew shortage for tomorrow's race from Santa Barbara to
Ventura. Our fleet goes 12nm to weather around the Mid-Channel Buoy and
then downwind to Platform Grace, then a close reach back to Ventura. It's a
43nm course.
I would normally welcome a crew shortage for this race -- it is most often
very light air, but this year winds are forecast to be excellent -- 10-20
from the west, gusting to 25.
Anybody want a wild ride?
Wilkie
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RE: [Cal_Boats] Santa Barbara to Ventura Hardway Race
dwowen2007-05-22 01:30 UTC
Randy,
You are right. The wind never filled in as forecast.
We struggled horribly to keep the boat moving to the Mid-Channel buoy. I
think it took us a little over 7.5 hours to go 12 NM.
I timed Dan Casey rounding the Buoy and he was only 15 minutes ahead of us
(an achievement for us,) but apparently he caught the abating wind and rode
it away from us. We couldn't believe how far he had run as we came around
it. Then we were shocked at how fast he continued to disappear. I've
followed him downwind before, but have never seen him pull away like that (I
think I've even caught or at least stayed with him a couple of times.)
He told me they had enough wind to surf to 10 knots. Not us. We'd catch
the swells and as we started to surf down them, the chute would collapse and
the main would backwind and no amount of crew weight or trimming adjustments
would do otherwise. We heated up and tried to get in closer to the Island,
but the seas did much the same and we were losing course. We were making
6.5 knots on average, but it wasn't enough. I've surfed Mariposa to 11 and
even 12 knots in the right conditions. She loves to surf. Couldn't get it
going...
We think that the big seas were wrapping around the Island from the 40 knots
that was blowing outside, and we just missed out on enough wind to keep the
kite pulling as we surfed. That's one theory. Another factor, of course,
is that Dan's 9.2 weighs a solid ton less than my 29 and the IOR design
might let some of those seas slide under him? I don't know? Maybe he just
out-drove me?
So fading from 15 minutes to probably an hour behind, we caught the land
breeze and rode it to about 2.5 NM out before it disappeared. I had about 3
hours of sleep the night before and the crew were tired and cold and we were
looking at another 3 or 4 hours to get into the harbor from 2.5 miles out
when we revolted and started the engine. We knew we were the last boat out
there in our class. It turns out that it cost us a third place trophy (but
it still would have been last place,) the rest of the fleet having also
called in DNF.
Dan's a great competitor and he thrashed me. All I can say is we had hot
lasagna, cold beer and margaritas on board as a consolation.
David Wilkie Owen
Cal 2-29 "Mariposa"
Santa Barbara, CA
http://www.mariposasailing.com
From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Randy Alcorn
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 11:27 AM
To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Santa Barbara to Ventura Hardway Race
Hey David,
How did the race go? From Oxnard it looks like the winds didn't come in. We
had less than 6 kts in the aftternoon.
I hated to miss out on this race. I had Daddy Duties this weekend, my son
had a marching and competition.
Tell us how it went.
Randy
CAL 2-29
Out Patient
Channel Islands CA
dwowen <dw… [at] cox.net> wrote:
So-Cal Sailors,
Mariposa has a crew shortage for tomorrow's race from Santa Barbara
to
Ventura. Our fleet goes 12nm to weather around the Mid-Channel Buoy
and
then downwind to Platform Grace, then a close reach back to Ventura.
It's a
43nm course.
I would normally welcome a crew shortage for this race -- it is most
often
very light air, but this year winds are forecast to be excellent --
10-20
from the west, gusting to 25.
Anybody want a wild ride?
Wilkie
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RE: [Cal_Boats] Santa Barbara to Ventura Hardway Race (9.2)
ti… [at] ch2m.com2007-05-22 21:02 UTC
Them Cal 9.2's are very slippery boats. We are always the slowest PHRF
boat in our races... hehehehe.. but rarely finish last.... The odd
football shape seems to just fit into the waves, and the very flat
middle and transom, makes these little devils pop out of the water and
surf... or crash! Funny boat, if you wiggle the helm at the right spot
on a wave, they surf like crazy.
Last weekend, we out surfed many bigger boats, up to 13.8 knots in 20
knots of wind. but they ate us up in the beating up the coast mode....
We were First in Class, 7th overall, but as the regression curve shows,
kicked some serious booty.
In 2006 Bob Brunius of Time Bandit posted the results of the race
plotting Rating Verses position, and then applying a regression curve to
the plot.
Bob stated back then:
"....The chart I'm sending plots the over-all finish position vs.
handicap for the fleet. On this chart there is a linear regression which
is the straight line. If the course were neutral relative to handicap
the line would be horizontal. This line clearly shows that the trend was
for the faster boats to finish higher after handicapping which is no
news. In the chart, the higher a boat sets above the trend line the
better the performance....."
For fun, I've plotted this years race using Bob's technique. To see how
you performed against the Course bias, find your position in the race,
and see if you are above or below the line.
Great Job Wilkie, and Dan.
dEmO
From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of dwowen
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 6:30 PM
To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Santa Barbara to Ventura Hardway Race
Randy,
You are right. The wind never filled in as forecast.
We struggled horribly to keep the boat moving to the Mid-Channel buoy. I
think it took us a little over 7.5 hours to go 12 NM.
I timed Dan Casey rounding the Buoy and he was only 15 minutes ahead of
us
(an achievement for us,) but apparently he caught the abating wind and
rode
it away from us. We couldn't believe how far he had run as we came
around
it. Then we were shocked at how fast he continued to disappear. I've
followed him downwind before, but have never seen him pull away like
that (I
think I've even caught or at least stayed with him a couple of times.)
He told me they had enough wind to surf to 10 knots. Not us. We'd catch
the swells and as we started to surf down them, the chute would collapse
and
the main would backwind and no amount of crew weight or trimming
adjustments
would do otherwise. We heated up and tried to get in closer to the
Island,
but the seas did much the same and we were losing course. We were making
6.5 knots on average, but it wasn't enough. I've surfed Mariposa to 11
and
even 12 knots in the right conditions. She loves to surf. Couldn't get
it
going...
We think that the big seas were wrapping around the Island from the 40
knots
that was blowing outside, and we just missed out on enough wind to keep
the
kite pulling as we surfed. That's one theory. Another factor, of course,
is that Dan's 9.2 weighs a solid ton less than my 29 and the IOR design
might let some of those seas slide under him? I don't know? Maybe he
just
out-drove me?
So fading from 15 minutes to probably an hour behind, we caught the land
breeze and rode it to about 2.5 NM out before it disappeared. I had
about 3
hours of sleep the night before and the crew were tired and cold and we
were
looking at another 3 or 4 hours to get into the harbor from 2.5 miles
out
when we revolted and started the engine. We knew we were the last boat
out
there in our class. It turns out that it cost us a third place trophy
(but
it still would have been last place,) the rest of the fleet having also
called in DNF.
Dan's a great competitor and he thrashed me. All I can say is we had hot
lasagna, cold beer and margaritas on board as a consolation.
David Wilkie Owen
Cal 2-29 "Mariposa"
Santa Barbara, CA
http://www.mariposasailing.com <http://www.mariposasailing.com>
From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> ]
On Behalf
Of Randy Alcorn
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 11:27 AM
To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Santa Barbara to Ventura Hardway Race
Hey David,
How did the race go? From Oxnard it looks like the winds didn't come in.
We
had less than 6 kts in the aftternoon.
I hated to miss out on this race. I had Daddy Duties this weekend, my
son
had a marching and competition.
Tell us how it went.
Randy
CAL 2-29
Out Patient
Channel Islands CA
dwowen <dw… [at] cox.net <mailto:dwowen%40cox.net> > wrote:
So-Cal Sailors,
Mariposa has a crew shortage for tomorrow's race from Santa Barbara
to
Ventura. Our fleet goes 12nm to weather around the Mid-Channel Buoy
and
then downwind to Platform Grace, then a close reach back to Ventura.
It's a
43nm course.
I would normally welcome a crew shortage for this race -- it is most
often
very light air, but this year winds are forecast to be excellent --
10-20
from the west, gusting to 25.
Anybody want a wild ride?
Wilkie
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RE: [Cal_Boats] Santa Barbara to Ventura Hardway Race (9.2)
Randy Alcorn2007-05-23 02:52 UTC
Eric, you out there?
Check this out!
We are slacking?
Randy
CAL 2-29
Out Patient
Channel Islands CA
ti… [at] ch2m.com wrote:
Them Cal 9.2's are very slippery boats. We are always the slowest PHRF boat in our races... hehehehe.. but rarely finish last.... The odd football shape seems to just fit into the waves, and the very flat middle and transom, makes these little devils pop out of the water and surf... or crash! Funny boat, if you wiggle the helm at the right spot on a wave, they surf like crazy.
Last weekend, we out surfed many bigger boats, up to 13.8 knots in 20 knots of wind. but they ate us up in the beating up the coast mode.... We were First in Class, 7th overall, but as the regression curve shows, kicked some serious booty.
In 2006 Bob Brunius of Time Bandit posted the results of the race plotting Rating Verses position, and then applying a regression curve to the plot.
Bob stated back then:
"....The chart I'm sending plots the over-all finish position vs. handicap for the fleet. On this chart there is a linear regression which is the straight line. If the course were neutral relative to handicap
the line would be horizontal. This line clearly shows that the trend was for the faster boats to finish higher after handicapping which is no news. In the chart, the higher a boat sets above the trend line the better the performance....."
For fun, I've plotted this years race using Bob's technique. To see how you performed against the Course bias, find your position in the race, and see if you are above or below the line.
Great Job Wilkie, and Dan.
dEmO
---------------------------------
From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dwowen
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 6:30 PM
To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Santa Barbara to Ventura Hardway Race
Randy,
You are right. The wind never filled in as forecast.
We struggled horribly to keep the boat moving to the Mid-Channel buoy. I
think it took us a little over 7.5 hours to go 12 NM.
I timed Dan Casey rounding the Buoy and he was only 15 minutes ahead of us
(an achievement for us,) but apparently he caught the abating wind and rode
it away from us. We couldn't believe how far he had run as we came around
it. Then we were shocked at how fast he continued to disappear. I've
followed him downwind before, but have never seen him pull away like that (I
think I've even caught or at least stayed with him a couple of times.)
He told me they had enough wind to surf to 10 knots. Not us. We'd catch
the swells and as we started to surf down them, the chute would collapse and
the main would backwind and no amount of crew weight or trimming adjustments
would do otherwise. We heated up and tried to get in closer to the Island,
but the seas did much the same and we were losing course. We were making
6.5 knots on average, but it wasn't enough. I've surfed Mariposa to 11 and
even 12 knots in the right conditions. She loves to surf. Couldn't get it
going...
We think that the big seas were wrapping around the Island from the 40 knots
that was blowing outside, and we just missed out on enough wind to keep the
kite pulling as we surfed. That's one theory. Another factor, of course,
is that Dan's 9.2 weighs a solid ton less than my 29 and the IOR design
might let some of those seas slide under him? I don't know? Maybe he just
out-drove me?
So fading from 15 minutes to probably an hour behind, we caught the land
breeze and rode it to about 2.5 NM out before it disappeared. I had about 3
hours of sleep the night before and the crew were tired and cold and we were
looking at another 3 or 4 hours to get into the harbor from 2.5 miles out
when we revolted and started the engine. We knew we were the last boat out
there in our class. It turns out that it cost us a third place trophy (but
it still would have been last place,) the rest of the fleet having also
called in DNF.
Dan's a great competitor and he thrashed me. All I can say is we had hot
lasagna, cold beer and margaritas on board as a consolation.
David Wilkie Owen
Cal 2-29 "Mariposa"
Santa Barbara, CA
http://www.mariposasailing.com
From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Randy Alcorn
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 11:27 AM
To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Santa Barbara to Ventura Hardway Race
Hey David,
How did the race go? From Oxnard it looks like the winds didn't come in. We
had less than 6 kts in the aftternoon.
I hated to miss out on this race. I had Daddy Duties this weekend, my son
had a marching and competition.
Tell us how it went.
Randy
CAL 2-29
Out Patient
Channel Islands CA
dwowen <dw… [at] cox.net> wrote:
So-Cal Sailors,
Mariposa has a crew shortage for tomorrow's race from Santa Barbara
to
Ventura. Our fleet goes 12nm to weather around the Mid-Channel Buoy
and
then downwind to Platform Grace, then a close reach back to Ventura.
It's a
43nm course.
I would normally welcome a crew shortage for this race -- it is most
often
very light air, but this year winds are forecast to be excellent --
10-20
from the west, gusting to 25.
Anybody want a wild ride?
Wilkie
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RE: [Cal_Boats] Santa Barbara to Ventura Hardway Race (9.2)
Downing, Thomas2007-05-23 11:02 UTC
I'm curious about this. Is the regression line just a best fit, or is it calculated
some other way?
thanks
td
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Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 5:03 PM
To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Santa Barbara to Ventura Hardway Race (9.2)
Them Cal 9.2's are very slippery boats. We are always the slowest PHRF boat in our races... hehehehe.. but rarely finish last.... The odd football shape seems to just fit into the waves, and the very flat middle and transom, makes these little devils pop out of the water and surf... or crash! Funny boat, if you wiggle the helm at the right spot on a wave, they surf like crazy.
Last weekend, we out surfed many bigger boats, up to 13.8 knots in 20 knots of wind. but they ate us up in the beating up the coast mode.... We were First in Class, 7th overall, but as the regression curve shows, kicked some serious booty.
In 2006 Bob Brunius of Time Bandit posted the results of the race plotting Rating Verses position, and then applying a regression curve to the plot.
Bob stated back then:
"....The chart I'm sending plots the over-all finish position vs. handicap for the fleet. On this chart there is a linear regression which is the straight line. If the course were neutral relative to handicap
the line would be horizontal. This line clearly shows that the trend was for the faster boats to finish higher after handicapping which is no news. In the chart, the higher a boat sets above the trend line the better the performance....."
For fun, I've plotted this years race using Bob's technique. To see how you performed against the Course bias, find your position in the race, and see if you are above or below the line.
Great Job Wilkie, and Dan.
dEmO
_____
From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dwowen
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 6:30 PM
To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Santa Barbara to Ventura Hardway Race
Randy,
You are right. The wind never filled in as forecast.
We struggled horribly to keep the boat moving to the Mid-Channel buoy. I
think it took us a little over 7.5 hours to go 12 NM.
I timed Dan Casey rounding the Buoy and he was only 15 minutes ahead of us
(an achievement for us,) but apparently he caught the abating wind and rode
it away from us. We couldn't believe how far he had run as we came around
it. Then we were shocked at how fast he continued to disappear. I've
followed him downwind before, but have never seen him pull away like that (I
think I've even caught or at least stayed with him a couple of times.)
He told me they had enough wind to surf to 10 knots. Not us. We'd catch
the swells and as we started to surf down them, the chute would collapse and
the main would backwind and no amount of crew weight or trimming adjustments
would do otherwise. We heated up and tried to get in closer to the Island,
but the seas did much the same and we were losing course. We were making
6.5 knots on average, but it wasn't enough. I've surfed Mariposa to 11 and
even 12 knots in the right conditions. She loves to surf. Couldn't get it
going...
We think that the big seas were wrapping around the Island from the 40 knots
that was blowing outside, and we just missed out on enough wind to keep the
kite pulling as we surfed. That's one theory. Another factor, of course,
is that Dan's 9.2 weighs a solid ton less than my 29 and the IOR design
might let some of those seas slide under him? I don't know? Maybe he just
out-drove me?
So fading from 15 minutes to probably an hour behind, we caught the land
breeze and rode it to about 2.5 NM out before it disappeared. I had about 3
hours of sleep the night before and the crew were tired and cold and we were
looking at another 3 or 4 hours to get into the harbor from 2.5 miles out
when we revolted and started the engine. We knew we were the last boat out
there in our class. It turns out that it cost us a third place trophy (but
it still would have been last place,) the rest of the fleet having also
called in DNF.
Dan's a great competitor and he thrashed me. All I can say is we had hot
lasagna, cold beer and margaritas on board as a consolation.
David Wilkie Owen
Cal 2-29 "Mariposa"
Santa Barbara, CA
http://www.mariposa <http://www.mariposasailing.com> sailing.com
From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com [mailto: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com] On Behalf
Of Randy Alcorn
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 11:27 AM
To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com
Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Santa Barbara to Ventura Hardway Race
Hey David,
How did the race go? From Oxnard it looks like the winds didn't come in. We
had less than 6 kts in the aftternoon.
I hated to miss out on this race. I had Daddy Duties this weekend, my son
had a marching and competition.
Tell us how it went.
Randy
CAL 2-29
Out Patient
Channel Islands CA
dwowen < dw… [at] cox.net <mailto:dwowen%40cox.net> > wrote:
So-Cal Sailors,
Mariposa has a crew shortage for tomorrow's race from Santa Barbara
to
Ventura. Our fleet goes 12nm to weather around the Mid-Channel Buoy
and
then downwind to Platform Grace, then a close reach back to Ventura.
It's a
43nm course.
I would normally welcome a crew shortage for this race -- it is most
often
very light air, but this year winds are forecast to be excellent --
10-20
from the west, gusting to 25.
Anybody want a wild ride?
Wilkie
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RE: [Cal_Boats] Santa Barbara to Ventura Hardway Race (9.2)
Husar, Charlie2007-05-23 12:36 UTC
Looks like Timmo kicked theoretical butt.
Cheers
Charlie
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Behalf Of ti… [at] ch2m.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 5:03 PM
To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Santa Barbara to Ventura Hardway Race (9.2)
Them Cal 9.2's are very slippery boats. We are always the slowest PHRF
boat in our races... hehehehe.. but rarely finish last.... The odd
football shape seems to just fit into the waves, and the very flat
middle and transom, makes these little devils pop out of the water and
surf... or crash! Funny boat, if you wiggle the helm at the right spot
on a wave, they surf like crazy.
Last weekend, we out surfed many bigger boats, up to 13.8 knots in 20
knots of wind. but they ate us up in the beating up the coast mode....
We were First in Class, 7th overall, but as the regression curve shows,
kicked some serious booty.
In 2006 Bob Brunius of Time Bandit posted the results of the race
plotting Rating Verses position, and then applying a regression curve to
the plot.
Bob stated back then:
"....The chart I'm sending plots the over-all finish position vs.
handicap for the fleet. On this chart there is a linear regression which
is the straight line. If the course were neutral relative to handicap
the line would be horizontal. This line clearly shows that the trend was
for the faster boats to finish higher after handicapping which is no
news. In the chart, the higher a boat sets above the trend line the
better the performance....."
For fun, I've plotted this years race using Bob's technique. To see how
you performed against the Course bias, find your position in the race,
and see if you are above or below the line.
Great Job Wilkie, and Dan.
dEmO
From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of dwowen
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 6:30 PM
To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Santa Barbara to Ventura Hardway Race
Randy,
You are right. The wind never filled in as forecast.
We struggled horribly to keep the boat moving to the Mid-Channel buoy. I
think it took us a little over 7.5 hours to go 12 NM.
I timed Dan Casey rounding the Buoy and he was only 15 minutes ahead of
us
(an achievement for us,) but apparently he caught the abating wind and
rode
it away from us. We couldn't believe how far he had run as we came
around
it. Then we were shocked at how fast he continued to disappear. I've
followed him downwind before, but have never seen him pull away like
that (I
think I've even caught or at least stayed with him a couple of times.)
He told me they had enough wind to surf to 10 knots. Not us. We'd catch
the swells and as we started to surf down them, the chute would collapse
and
the main would backwind and no amount of crew weight or trimming
adjustments
would do otherwise. We heated up and tried to get in closer to the
Island,
but the seas did much the same and we were losing course. We were making
6.5 knots on average, but it wasn't enough. I've surfed Mariposa to 11
and
even 12 knots in the right conditions. She loves to surf. Couldn't get
it
going...
We think that the big seas were wrapping around the Island from the 40
knots
that was blowing outside, and we just missed out on enough wind to keep
the
kite pulling as we surfed. That's one theory. Another factor, of course,
is that Dan's 9.2 weighs a solid ton less than my 29 and the IOR design
might let some of those seas slide under him? I don't know? Maybe he
just
out-drove me?
So fading from 15 minutes to probably an hour behind, we caught the land
breeze and rode it to about 2.5 NM out before it disappeared. I had
about 3
hours of sleep the night before and the crew were tired and cold and we
were
looking at another 3 or 4 hours to get into the harbor from 2.5 miles
out
when we revolted and started the engine. We knew we were the last boat
out
there in our class. It turns out that it cost us a third place trophy
(but
it still would have been last place,) the rest of the fleet having also
called in DNF.
Dan's a great competitor and he thrashed me. All I can say is we had hot
lasagna, cold beer and margaritas on board as a consolation.
David Wilkie Owen
Cal 2-29 "Mariposa"
Santa Barbara, CA
http://www.mariposasailing.com <http://www.mariposasailing.com>
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On Behalf
Of Randy Alcorn
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 11:27 AM
To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Santa Barbara to Ventura Hardway Race
Hey David,
How did the race go? From Oxnard it looks like the winds didn't come in.
We
had less than 6 kts in the aftternoon.
I hated to miss out on this race. I had Daddy Duties this weekend, my
son
had a marching and competition.
Tell us how it went.
Randy
CAL 2-29
Out Patient
Channel Islands CA
dwowen <dw… [at] cox.net <mailto:dwowen%40cox.net> > wrote:
So-Cal Sailors,
Mariposa has a crew shortage for tomorrow's race from Santa Barbara
to
Ventura. Our fleet goes 12nm to weather around the Mid-Channel Buoy
and
then downwind to Platform Grace, then a close reach back to Ventura.
It's a
43nm course.
I would normally welcome a crew shortage for this race -- it is most
often
very light air, but this year winds are forecast to be excellent --
10-20
from the west, gusting to 25.
Anybody want a wild ride?
Wilkie
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RE: [Cal_Boats] Santa Barbara to Ventura Hardway Race (9.2)
ti… [at] ch2m.com2007-05-23 16:15 UTC
This is an Microsoft XL Function, linear regression analysis of data.
There are other regressions available.
The formula Excel came up with is y=12.495x + 16.
And yes Charlie, my Theoretical Trophy for this race, is prominent in my
theoretical trophy case, right
next to my theoretical completed to do list my wife has for me.
Cheers
dEmO
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Behalf Of Downing, Thomas
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 4:02 AM
To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Santa Barbara to Ventura Hardway Race (9.2)
I'm curious about this. Is the regression line just a best fit, or is
it calculated
some other way?
thanks
td
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From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of ti… [at] ch2m.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 5:03 PM
To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Santa Barbara to Ventura Hardway Race
(9.2)
Them Cal 9.2's are very slippery boats. We are always the
slowest PHRF boat in our races... hehehehe.. but rarely finish last....
The odd football shape seems to just fit into the waves, and the very
flat middle and transom, makes these little devils pop out of the water
and surf... or crash! Funny boat, if you wiggle the helm at the right
spot on a wave, they surf like crazy.
Last weekend, we out surfed many bigger boats, up to 13.8 knots
in 20 knots of wind. but they ate us up in the beating up the coast
mode.... We were First in Class, 7th overall, but as the regression
curve shows, kicked some serious booty.
In 2006 Bob Brunius of Time Bandit posted the results of the
race plotting Rating Verses position, and then applying a regression
curve to the plot.
Bob stated back then:
"....The chart I'm sending plots the over-all finish position
vs. handicap for the fleet. On this chart there is a linear regression
which is the straight line. If the course were neutral relative to
handicap
the line would be horizontal. This line clearly shows that the
trend was for the faster boats to finish higher after handicapping which
is no news. In the chart, the higher a boat sets above the trend line
the better the performance....."
For fun, I've plotted this years race using Bob's technique. To
see how you performed against the Course bias, find your position in the
race, and see if you are above or below the line.
Great Job Wilkie, and Dan.
dEmO
From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dwowen
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 6:30 PM
To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Santa Barbara to Ventura Hardway Race
Randy,
You are right. The wind never filled in as forecast.
We struggled horribly to keep the boat moving to the Mid-Channel
buoy. I
think it took us a little over 7.5 hours to go 12 NM.
I timed Dan Casey rounding the Buoy and he was only 15 minutes
ahead of us
(an achievement for us,) but apparently he caught the abating
wind and rode
it away from us. We couldn't believe how far he had run as we
came around
it. Then we were shocked at how fast he continued to disappear.
I've
followed him downwind before, but have never seen him pull away
like that (I
think I've even caught or at least stayed with him a couple of
times.)
He told me they had enough wind to surf to 10 knots. Not us.
We'd catch
the swells and as we started to surf down them, the chute would
collapse and
the main would backwind and no amount of crew weight or trimming
adjustments
would do otherwise. We heated up and tried to get in closer to
the Island,
but the seas did much the same and we were losing course. We
were making
6.5 knots on average, but it wasn't enough. I've surfed Mariposa
to 11 and
even 12 knots in the right conditions. She loves to surf.
Couldn't get it
going...
We think that the big seas were wrapping around the Island from
the 40 knots
that was blowing outside, and we just missed out on enough wind
to keep the
kite pulling as we surfed. That's one theory. Another factor, of
course,
is that Dan's 9.2 weighs a solid ton less than my 29 and the IOR
design
might let some of those seas slide under him? I don't know?
Maybe he just
out-drove me?
So fading from 15 minutes to probably an hour behind, we caught
the land
breeze and rode it to about 2.5 NM out before it disappeared. I
had about 3
hours of sleep the night before and the crew were tired and cold
and we were
looking at another 3 or 4 hours to get into the harbor from 2.5
miles out
when we revolted and started the engine. We knew we were the
last boat out
there in our class. It turns out that it cost us a third place
trophy (but
it still would have been last place,) the rest of the fleet
having also
called in DNF.
Dan's a great competitor and he thrashed me. All I can say is we
had hot
lasagna, cold beer and margaritas on board as a consolation.
David Wilkie Owen
_________________
Cal 2-29 "Mariposa"
Santa Barbara, CA
http://www.mariposasailing.com <http://www.mariposasailing.com>
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From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf
Of Randy Alcorn
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 11:27 AM
To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Santa Barbara to Ventura Hardway Race
Hey David,
How did the race go? From Oxnard it looks like the winds didn't
come in. We
had less than 6 kts in the aftternoon.
I hated to miss out on this race. I had Daddy Duties this
weekend, my son
had a marching and competition.
Tell us how it went.
Randy
CAL 2-29
Out Patient
Channel Islands CA
dwowen <dw… [at] cox.net <mailto:dwowen%40cox.net> > wrote:
So-Cal Sailors,
Mariposa has a crew shortage for tomorrow's race from Santa
Barbara
to
Ventura. Our fleet goes 12nm to weather around the Mid-Channel
Buoy
and
then downwind to Platform Grace, then a close reach back to
Ventura.
It's a
43nm course.
I would normally welcome a crew shortage for this race -- it is
most
often
very light air, but this year winds are forecast to be excellent
--
10-20
from the west, gusting to 25.
Anybody want a wild ride?
Wilkie
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Re: [Cal_Boats] Santa Barbara to Ventura Hardway Race (9.2)
Eric Jackson2007-05-23 16:24 UTC
hey randy,
what are you guys doing... having tea..
no excuses, you should be taking first place every race..
whats going on this weekend?
im going out to coches on santa cruz island. a great anchorage and
close to some good surf breaks..
you should come out and join us..
eric jackson
BAREFOOT
1971 CAL 29
CHANNEL ISLANDS CA.
On May 22, 2007, at 7:52 PM, Randy Alcorn wrote:
>
> Eric, you out there?
>
> Check this out!
>
> We are slacking?
>
> Randy
>
> CAL 2-29
> Out Patient
> Channel Islands CA
>
Swiftsure
ti… [at] ch2m.com2007-05-23 16:28 UTC
Cal-listees,
dEmO and the Cal 9.2 "Freewind" will be in the 2007 Swiftsure this
weekend. There will be over 100 boats on our starting line for the Cape
Flattery Race (104 miles). We are the fleet "pig" the slowest PHRF rated
boat in the race.
If there are other cal-listees up there for the race, it would be great
to see you!
We are moored where the old barge was, near the Square Rigger. Drinks
are on me!
Cheers!
(Pigs can FLY!)
dEmO
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Re: Swiftsure
Neil McBride2007-05-24 03:01
Good luck in Swiftsure. I'll be out there watching the start and the
progress of the various boats, so now will watch for you. I'll be
the one with the three ladies as crew and a beer.
Neil
"Optima" Cal 2-29
Victoria
--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, <timmothy.lessley@...> wrote:
>
> Cal-listees,
>
> dEmO and the Cal 9.2 "Freewind" will be in the 2007 Swiftsure this
> weekend. There will be over 100 boats on our starting line for the
Cape
> Flattery Race (104 miles). We are the fleet "pig" the slowest PHRF
rated
> boat in the race.
>
> If there are other cal-listees up there for the race, it would be
great
> to see you!
>
> We are moored where the old barge was, near the Square Rigger.
Drinks
> are on me!
>
> Cheers!
>
> (Pigs can FLY!)
>
> dEmO
>
> <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?
s=97359714/grpId=16485695/grpspId=1705065792/
> msgId=7049/stime=1179936939/nc1=4430620/nc2=3848621/nc3=4507179>
>
RE: [Cal_Boats] Santa Barbara to Ventura Hardway Race (9.2)
Nick2007-05-25 00:39 UTC
Excel uses the 'Least Squares' method:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Least_squares
Nick
From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of ti… [at] ch2m.com
Sent: May 23, 2007 9:15 AM
To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Santa Barbara to Ventura Hardway Race (9.2)
This is an Microsoft XL Function, linear regression analysis of data. There
are other regressions available.
The formula Excel came up with is y=12.495x + 16.
And yes Charlie, my Theoretical Trophy for this race, is prominent in my
theoretical trophy case, right
next to my theoretical completed to do list my wife has for me.
Cheers
dEmO
_____
From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Downing, Thomas
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 4:02 AM
To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Santa Barbara to Ventura Hardway Race (9.2)
I'm curious about this. Is the regression line just a best fit, or is it
calculated
some other way?
thanks
td
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