Re: [Cal_Boats] Shelley Richards

Hey rog, not to bring any attention to that gorgeous cal 29#154 but she has been repainted and renamed! Green stripes, red bottom and renamed Seven Sisters in honor of the fact That I am one of 7 sisters! and a good constellation at that! ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Wow, Shelley - She's absolutely beautiful, just like her owner! All the best. Back next week after Ensenada. \Rog

How many Cal Listees are going to be in Ensenada? Might be fun to try and get together for a hand-shake or a round of MGDs! Anybody want to volunteer to stake out a Cal Burgee at the awards ceremony or such? David Wilkie Owen Cal 2-29 "Mariposa" Santa Barbara, CA http://www.mariposasailing.com

dEmO and Victoria will be there!! From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dwowen Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 10:53 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal Listees in Ensenada How many Cal Listees are going to be in Ensenada? Might be fun to try and get together for a hand-shake or a round of MGDs! Anybody want to volunteer to stake out a Cal Burgee at the awards ceremony or such? David Wilkie Owen Cal 2-29 "Mariposa" Santa Barbara, CA http://www.mariposasailing.com <http://www.mariposasailing.com>

David, please FAX me an MGD. I was gonna sail with Mike Kennedy, but it turned out our Annapolis NOOD Regatta is this weekend. Also, see if you can find a cheap dive with a band, and sit in for the keyboard player. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dwowen Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 1:53 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal Listees in Ensenada How many Cal Listees are going to be in Ensenada? Might be fun to try and get together for a hand-shake or a round of MGDs! Anybody want to volunteer to stake out a Cal Burgee at the awards ceremony or such? David Wilkie Owen Cal 2-29 "Mariposa" Santa Barbara, CA http://www.mariposasailing.com Yahoo! Groups Links

--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, <timmothy.lessley@...> wrote: > > dEmO and Victoria will be there!! > > ________________________________ > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of dwowen > Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 10:53 AM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal Listees in Ensenada > > > > > > How many Cal Listees are going to be in Ensenada? > > Might be fun to try and get together for a hand-shake or a round of > MGDs! > > Anybody want to volunteer to stake out a Cal Burgee at the awards > ceremony > or such? I have a Cal 40 burgee that Jim Eddy dropped by last weekend. Maybe we can use that for a rally point. The Cal 40 will have the big Cal 40 battle flag flying over at the Hotel Coral Marina. MIke Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 That, of course, assumes that Mike Jr allows me to take it as it does weigh an ounce or two. > > David Wilkie Owen > _________________ > Cal 2-29 "Mariposa" > Santa Barbara, CA > http://www.mariposasailing.com <http://www.mariposasailing.com> >

Mike, I'll leave my toothbrush and half my brains at home, so feel free to bring the burgee!!! From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mtkennedy1 Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 11:05 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal Listees in Ensenada --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> , <timmothy.lessley@...> wrote: > > dEmO and Victoria will be there!! > > ________________________________ > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> ] On > Behalf Of dwowen > Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 10:53 AM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal Listees in Ensenada > > > > > > How many Cal Listees are going to be in Ensenada? > > Might be fun to try and get together for a hand-shake or a round of > MGDs! > > Anybody want to volunteer to stake out a Cal Burgee at the awards > ceremony > or such? I have a Cal 40 burgee that Jim Eddy dropped by last weekend. Maybe we can use that for a rally point. The Cal 40 will have the big Cal 40 battle flag flying over at the Hotel Coral Marina. MIke Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 That, of course, assumes that Mike Jr allows me to take it as it does weigh an ounce or two. > > David Wilkie Owen > _________________ > Cal 2-29 "Mariposa" > Santa Barbara, CA > http://www.mariposasailing.com <http://www.mariposasailing.com> <http://www.mariposasailing.com <http://www.mariposasailing.com> > >

Hotel Coral Marina sounds good to me. Can we use the shower in your room? What time should we meet? I suggest Saturday afternoon, maybe about 4:00. We'll be headed home early Sunday, but until then Hana will be anchored out in Ensenada, feel free to stop by for a cerveza! From: sentto-16485695-1099-1177438005-george.a.elwers=sa… [at] returns.groups.yahoo.com on behalf of mtkennedy1 Sent: Tue 4/24/2007 11:05 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal Listees in Ensenada <snip> I have a Cal 40 burgee that Jim Eddy dropped by last weekend. Maybe we can use that for a rally point. The Cal 40 will have the big Cal 40 battle flag flying over at the Hotel Coral Marina. MIke Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 That, of course, assumes that Mike Jr allows me to take it as it does weigh an ounce or two. .

--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Elwers, George A." <george.a.elwers@...> wrote: > > Hotel Coral Marina sounds good to me. Can we use the shower in your room? I don't see why not. What time should we meet? Depends on how fast the race is. Maybe check the finish board at the Bahia. I suggest Saturday afternoon, maybe about 4:00. Sounds good. We'll be headed home early Sunday, but until then Hana will be anchored out in Ensenada, feel free to stop by for a cerveza! I'm going back Monday, I think. I don't like to start late Sunday and don't know the program yet. MIke Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > ________________________________ > > From: sentto-16485695-1099-1177438005-george.a.elwers=saic.com@... on behalf of mtkennedy1 > Sent: Tue 4/24/2007 11:05 AM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal Listees in Ensenada > > > > <snip> > > I have a Cal 40 burgee that Jim Eddy dropped by last weekend. Maybe we can use that for > a rally point. The Cal 40 will have the big Cal 40 battle flag flying over at the Hotel Coral > Marina. > > MIke Kennedy > Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > That, of course, assumes that Mike Jr allows me to take it as it does weigh an ounce or > two. > > . >

Per Curtiss, Victoria Lessley, Kurt Ford, Ward Osborne, David Clayberg and David Owen will be on Kurt's Cal 39, "Alcyone." Some Rallying points to look for Cal Listees: Cal 40 battle flag. Cal-List Burgees (Kurt has one and so do I.) Any Chota seen beating a sailor with a night stick. My Cell phone will work in Ensenada, according to Verizon. I don't want to post it to the list for fear that Charlie will use it to call those 900 numbers, but if any of the Ensenada crew that will have a working cell phone wants to make note of it, they may hit me off-list. David Wilkie Owen Cal 2-29 "Mariposa" Santa Barbara, CA http://www.mariposasailing.com

After a third and fifth cruising class non spin the people I crewed for the last two years have dropped. I'll be helping a friend pull 25, 25' sections of well pipe. Have fun, sail fast, safe voyage. dwowen <dw… [at] cox.net> wrote: Per Curtiss, Victoria Lessley, Kurt Ford, Ward Osborne, David Clayberg and David Owen will be on Kurt's Cal 39, "Alcyone." Some Rallying points to look for Cal Listees: Cal 40 battle flag. Cal-List Burgees (Kurt has one and so do I.) Any Chota seen beating a sailor with a night stick. My Cell phone will work in Ensenada, according to Verizon. I don't want to post it to the list for fear that Charlie will use it to call those 900 numbers, but if any of the Ensenada crew that will have a working cell phone wants to make note of it, they may hit me off-list. David Wilkie Owen Cal 2-29 "Mariposa" Santa Barbara, CA http://www.mariposasailing.com --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.

Mike, I hope I didn't read your response wrong; The awards program goes pretty fast. They do the awards presentations in about a hour or so. Then most boats start heading back north. If the wind is howling, we normaly wait til after dark so the seas lay down. You just follow all the stern lights up the coast. Depending how fast you motor, we get into the Shelter islands, customs dock around 7 am. You pull along side hand them your paperwork and they wave you on if things are clear. If not they have you off to the side and you answer questions. It has gotten pretty quick compared to the past. We then head for the gas dock and get fuel and something to eat. Randy CAL 2-29 Out Patient Channel islands Ca mtkennedy1 <mt… [at] cox.net> wrote: --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Elwers, George A." <george.a.elwers@...> wrote: > > Hotel Coral Marina sounds good to me. Can we use the shower in your room? I don't see why not. What time should we meet? Depends on how fast the race is. Maybe check the finish board at the Bahia. I suggest Saturday afternoon, maybe about 4:00. Sounds good. We'll be headed home early Sunday, but until then Hana will be anchored out in Ensenada, feel free to stop by for a cerveza! I'm going back Monday, I think. I don't like to start late Sunday and don't know the program yet. MIke Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > ________________________________ > > From: sentto-16485695-1099-1177438005-george.a.elwers=saic.com@... on behalf of mtkennedy1 > Sent: Tue 4/24/2007 11:05 AM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal Listees in Ensenada > > > > <snip> > > I have a Cal 40 burgee that Jim Eddy dropped by last weekend. Maybe we can use that for > a rally point. The Cal 40 will have the big Cal 40 battle flag flying over at the Hotel Coral > Marina. > > MIke Kennedy > Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > That, of course, assumes that Mike Jr allows me to take it as it does weigh an ounce or > two. > > . > --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.

Oh well, it was a good plan. Hana had good boat speed all Friday afternoon and through the night, but going towards Australia rather than Ensenada. At 11:00 am on Saturday we called it quits with very little wind, 30 miles due west of San Diego. We had 70 miles to go to Ensenada, into what little wind there was. Even though we were in the cruising class, we hadn't motored at all. My 11 year old son had a great time, though. At 4:30 am on Saturday, after the moon had set, we were buzzed by dolphins leaving luminescent trails through the water. He was thrilled and wanted to wake up the off watch to see it. After sunrise we did wake him up to see a school of hundreds of dolphins playing around the boat. He stood on the bow and got some amazingly good video on his cell phone. Good job, Ralphie! From: sentto-16485695-1102-1177449436-george.a.elwers=sa… [at] returns.groups.yahoo.com on behalf of Elwers, George A. Sent: Tue 4/24/2007 2:12 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Cal Listees in Ensenada (Mike) Hotel Coral Marina sounds good to me. Can we use the shower in your room? What time should we meet? I suggest Saturday afternoon, maybe about 4:00. We'll be headed home early Sunday, but until then Hana will be anchored out in Ensenada, feel free to stop by for a cerveza! From: sentto-16485695-1099-1177438005-george.a.elwers=sa… [at] returns.groups.yahoo.com on behalf of mtkennedy1 Sent: Tue 4/24/2007 11:05 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal Listees in Ensenada <snip> I have a Cal 40 burgee that Jim Eddy dropped by last weekend. Maybe we can use that for a rally point. The Cal 40 will have the big Cal 40 battle flag flying over at the Hotel Coral Marina. MIke Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 That, of course, assumes that Mike Jr allows me to take it as it does weigh an ounce or two. .

--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Elwers, George A." <george.a.elwers@...> wrote: > > Oh well, it was a good plan. > > Hana had good boat speed all Friday afternoon and through the night, but going towards Australia rather than Ensenada. At 11:00 am on Saturday we called it quits with very little wind, 30 miles due west of San Diego. We had 70 miles to go to Ensenada, into what little wind there was. Even though we were in the cruising class, we hadn't motored at all. We quit at 3:30 PM Saturday. Timm has sent the track of our race. and I'll post it. We were 30 miles short of Salsipuedes Point then with 2 knots of boat speed. We needed to make that spot by sundwon to have a hope of finishing. The wind shuts off then in the bay and it would take all night to go the last 13 miles. I'll post the track. > > My 11 year old son had a great time, though. At 4:30 am on Saturday, after the moon had set, we were buzzed by dolphins leaving luminescent trails through the water. He was thrilled and wanted to wake up the off watch to see it. After sunrise we did wake him up to see a school of hundreds of dolphins playing around the boat. He stood on the bow and got some amazingly good video on his cell phone. We saw lots of dolphins, too. Ralphie was in sight at sundown and seemed to stay outside as we did but they got well ahead of us during the night. It would be interesting to see their track. MIke Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > Good job, Ralphie! > > ________________________________ > > From: sentto-16485695-1102-1177449436-george.a.elwers=saic.com@... on behalf of Elwers, George A. > Sent: Tue 4/24/2007 2:12 PM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: Cal Listees in Ensenada (Mike) > > > Hotel Coral Marina sounds good to me. Can we use the shower in your room? What time should we meet? I suggest Saturday afternoon, maybe about 4:00. We'll be headed home early Sunday, but until then Hana will be anchored out in Ensenada, feel free to stop by for a cerveza! > > ________________________________ > > From: sentto-16485695-1099-1177438005-george.a.elwers=saic.com@... on behalf of mtkennedy1 > Sent: Tue 4/24/2007 11:05 AM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal Listees in Ensenada > > > > <snip> > > I have a Cal 40 burgee that Jim Eddy dropped by last weekend. Maybe we can use that for > a rally point. The Cal 40 will have the big Cal 40 battle flag flying over at the Hotel Coral > Marina. > > MIke Kennedy > Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > That, of course, assumes that Mike Jr allows me to take it as it does weigh an ounce or > two. > > . >

We hopedm we would see our fellow Cal group,Randy and I went on a Flying Tiger and finisned 3rd in the 2nd sport boat fleet It was a tough race we did not finish til 10:30 on Sat night .We went around the outside of the Cornado Islands and at that point every thing came un glued fog ,no wind you know the rest. In the mid am the breeze came up and we headed in to finish at 10 30pm we did hopeto see you all there Dave Paulson Allergia Cal34 Channel Islands ----- Original Message ----- From: mtkennedy1 To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 7:38 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal Listees in Ensenada (Mike) --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Elwers, George A." <george.a.elwers@...> wrote: > > Oh well, it was a good plan. > > Hana had good boat speed all Friday afternoon and through the night, but going towards Australia rather than Ensenada. At 11:00 am on Saturday we called it quits with very little wind, 30 miles due west of San Diego. We had 70 miles to go to Ensenada, into what little wind there was. Even though we were in the cruising class, we hadn't motored at all. We quit at 3:30 PM Saturday. Timm has sent the track of our race. and I'll post it. We were 30 miles short of Salsipuedes Point then with 2 knots of boat speed. We needed to make that spot by sundwon to have a hope of finishing. The wind shuts off then in the bay and it would take all night to go the last 13 miles. I'll post the track. > > My 11 year old son had a great time, though. At 4:30 am on Saturday, after the moon had set, we were buzzed by dolphins leaving luminescent trails through the water. He was thrilled and wanted to wake up the off watch to see it. After sunrise we did wake him up to see a school of hundreds of dolphins playing around the boat. He stood on the bow and got some amazingly good video on his cell phone. We saw lots of dolphins, too. Ralphie was in sight at sundown and seemed to stay outside as we did but they got well ahead of us during the night. It would be interesting to see their track. MIke Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > Good job, Ralphie! > > ________________________________ > > From: sentto-16485695-1102-1177449436-george.a.elwers=saic.com@... on behalf of Elwers, George A. > Sent: Tue 4/24/2007 2:12 PM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: Cal Listees in Ensenada (Mike) > > > Hotel Coral Marina sounds good to me. Can we use the shower in your room? What time should we meet? I suggest Saturday afternoon, maybe about 4:00. We'll be headed home early Sunday, but until then Hana will be anchored out in Ensenada, feel free to stop by for a cerveza! > > ________________________________ > > From: sentto-16485695-1099-1177438005-george.a.elwers=saic.com@... on behalf of mtkennedy1 > Sent: Tue 4/24/2007 11:05 AM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal Listees in Ensenada > > > > <snip> > > I have a Cal 40 burgee that Jim Eddy dropped by last weekend. Maybe we can use that for > a rally point. The Cal 40 will have the big Cal 40 battle flag flying over at the Hotel Coral > Marina. > > MIke Kennedy > Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > That, of course, assumes that Mike Jr allows me to take it as it does weigh an ounce or > two. > > . >

Hi Dave from San Diego, It was good to read about your race to Ensenada. Thanks for keeping in contact. Dirk Van Proyen Cal 34-III Dutch Treat San Diego di… [at] chickselectric.com 619-987-5544 Paulson <dp… [at] socal.rr.com> wrote: We hopedm we would see our fellow Cal group,Randy and I went on a Flying Tiger and finisned 3rd in the 2nd sport boat fleet It was a tough race we did not finish til 10:30 on Sat night .We went around the outside of the Cornado Islands and at that point every thing came un glued fog ,no wind you know the rest. In the mid am the breeze came up and we headed in to finish at 10 30pm we did hopeto see you all there Dave Paulson Allergia Cal34 Channel Islands ----- Original Message ----- From: mtkennedy1 To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 7:38 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal Listees in Ensenada (Mike) --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Elwers, George A." <george.a.elwers@...> wrote: > > Oh well, it was a good plan. > > Hana had good boat speed all Friday afternoon and through the night, but going towards Australia rather than Ensenada. At 11:00 am on Saturday we called it quits with very little wind, 30 miles due west of San Diego. We had 70 miles to go to Ensenada, into what little wind there was. Even though we were in the cruising class, we hadn't motored at all. We quit at 3:30 PM Saturday. Timm has sent the track of our race. and I'll post it. We were 30 miles short of Salsipuedes Point then with 2 knots of boat speed. We needed to make that spot by sundwon to have a hope of finishing. The wind shuts off then in the bay and it would take all night to go the last 13 miles. I'll post the track. > > My 11 year old son had a great time, though. At 4:30 am on Saturday, after the moon had set, we were buzzed by dolphins leaving luminescent trails through the water. He was thrilled and wanted to wake up the off watch to see it. After sunrise we did wake him up to see a school of hundreds of dolphins playing around the boat. He stood on the bow and got some amazingly good video on his cell phone. We saw lots of dolphins, too. Ralphie was in sight at sundown and seemed to stay outside as we did but they got well ahead of us during the night. It would be interesting to see their track. MIke Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > Good job, Ralphie! > > ________________________________ > > From: sentto-16485695-1102-1177449436-george.a.elwers=saic.com@... on behalf of Elwers, George A. > Sent: Tue 4/24/2007 2:12 PM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: Cal Listees in Ensenada (Mike) > > > Hotel Coral Marina sounds good to me. Can we use the shower in your room? What time should we meet? I suggest Saturday afternoon, maybe about 4:00. We'll be headed home early Sunday, but until then Hana will be anchored out in Ensenada, feel free to stop by for a cerveza! > > ________________________________ > > From: sentto-16485695-1099-1177438005-george.a.elwers=saic.com@... on behalf of mtkennedy1 > Sent: Tue 4/24/2007 11:05 AM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal Listees in Ensenada > > > > <snip> > > I have a Cal 40 burgee that Jim Eddy dropped by last weekend. Maybe we can use that for > a rally point. The Cal 40 will have the big Cal 40 battle flag flying over at the Hotel Coral > Marina. > > MIke Kennedy > Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > That, of course, assumes that Mike Jr allows me to take it as it does weigh an ounce or > two. > > . > --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.

My battery exploded inside the cabin Saturday. I earlier vented everything in the lazarette around the gas tanks and outboard, but I never thought to vent the battery area in the cabin. I heard a loud bang inside the cabin when I hit the outboard's starter button. At first, I thought someone dropped something below. My nephew reported smoke coming from the area where the two batteries are kept. I thought it was smoke, too, and believed I had an electrical fire. We grabbed an extinguisher and opened up the rear section of the settee to expose the two batteries. The side of one was blown off and the black plastic holding box was blown open and split down the side. Luckily, it was contained and no one was splattered with acid. The fumes were from the acid. I added venting and checking batteries to my pre-flight checklist. My pre-explosion routine called for me to turn the knob on the panel to "both" and announce, "check." I will now always check water levels on the old surviving battery. The new battery is maitenance free. Later, as we were sailing along next to the U.S.S. Midway, my wife reported our previously dry bilge now had about four inches of water in it. The bilge pump took care of the water, and we watched the level remain constant back to the marina. We took things apart at the marina looking for a leak. No obvious source was found. The bilge pump emptied the inside of the keel and no more water appeared the rest of the day, or the next. We had used our built-in ice box for the first time, and I wondered if melting ice had drained to the bilge. We could not find any link between the ice box and the bilge, and the ice box was still full of water and ice the next day. So that wasn't the source. There is a black rubber hose attached to what appeared to be a thru-hull next to the battery box adjacent to the keel. I had seen this hose before, and I thought it was once probably attached to the old Atomic 4 inboard that no longer exists on the boat. My nephew reported he saw water dripping from the hose when he pulled it from down below. I suspected the hose was sitting in the existing bilge water when he pulled it out. We motor-sailed a bit when the wind died, and I wonder if water could have entered via the black hose at that time? Were the Atomic 4's salt water cooled? Any ideas what the black hose and thru-hull are about? The hose is just barely visible at the bottom of this old survey photo, just below the three positive red cables at the bottom of the battery in the photo: http://www.stirlinglaw.com/cal28/cal28photos/surveyphoto4.jpg . The large visible ribbed hose in the photo is a remant of the old blower system that vented the area when the outboard was used. The blower is no longer there, although I came across instructions for its use. The battery and box shown are the ones that blew. There is NO VALVE on the thru-hull where the hose is clamped. Just a clamped black hose attached to nothing. Could the battery explosion have knocked it loose from something? My poor recall from an earlier exploration of the bilge and hull was that this hose was not attached to anything and was a remnant of its inboard past. All ideas appreciated. I'll probably head back again this weekend for more exploration. The bilge pump emptied the bilge on Saturday and on Sunday there was still no water found. . iIKNDFV'ASDKNV'AIDNV'ASDNGASRA'IG'AWRIGN'QWERG__

Couple of ideas - Yes, A4's were mostly salt water cooled. But even if the one on your boat was fresh water, there still would be a through-hull for the heat exchanger raw water feed. I don't think many A4's on sailing boats would have out-of-hull heat exchangers. I am not a 12V expert (or anything but maybe a 0 voit expert :-), but I would think that setting a battery switch to BOTH could be risky unless the voltage of both batteries were checked first. If there was a significant difference, there might be bad results. Last, I also had a MYSTERIOUS water in the bilge problem that only happenend when I sailed. In my case the leak was due to the hose between the cockpit scupper and the scupper through hull comming of the through hull. As this through hull is normally above the water line, water entered the boat (and the bilge) when steeply heeled or when chop caused the water to go above it. Took me some thought..... td From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Bruce Stirling Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 3:03 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Battery Blew - Possible Leak <http://portal.mxlogic.com/images/transparent.gif> My battery exploded inside the cabin Saturday. I earlier vented everything in the lazarette around the gas tanks and outboard, but I never thought to vent the battery area in the cabin. I heard a loud bang inside the cabin when I hit the outboard's starter button. At first, I thought someone dropped something below. My nephew reported smoke coming from the area where the two batteries are kept. I thought it was smoke, too, and believed I had an electrical fire. We grabbed an extinguisher and opened up the rear section of the settee to expose the two batteries. The side of one was blown off and the black plastic holding box was blown open and split down the side. Luckily, it was contained and no one was splattered with acid. The fumes were from the acid. I added venting and checking batteries to my pre-flight checklist. My pre-explosion routine called for me to turn the knob on the panel to "both" and announce, "check." I will now always check water levels on the old surviving battery. The new battery is maitenance free. Later, as we were sailing along next to the U.S.S. Midway, my wife reported our previously dry bilge now had about four inches of water in it. The bilge pump took care of the water, and we watched the level remain constant back to the marina. We took things apart at the marina looking for a leak. No obvious source was found. The bilge pump emptied the inside of the keel and no more water appeared the rest of the day, or the next. We had used our built-in ice box for the first time, and I wondered if melting ice had drained to the bilge. We could not find any link between the ice box and the bilge, and the ice box was still full of water and ice the next day. So that wasn't the source. There is a black rubber hose attached to what appeared to be a thru-hull next to the battery box adjacent to the keel. I had seen this hose before, and I thought it was once probably attached to the old Atomic 4 inboard that no longer exists on the boat. My nephew reported he saw water dripping from the hose when he pulled it from down below. I suspected the hose was sitting in the existing bilge water when he pulled it out. We motor-sailed a bit when the wind died, and I wonder if water could have entered via the black hose at that time? Were the Atomic 4's salt water cooled? Any ideas what the black hose and thru-hull are about? The hose is just barely visible at the bottom of this old survey photo, just below the three positive red cables at the bottom of the battery in the photo: http://www.stirling <http://www.stirlinglaw.com/cal28/cal28photos/surveyphoto4.jpg> law.com/cal28/cal28photos/surveyphoto4.jpg . The large visible ribbed hose in the photo is a remant of the old blower system that vented the area when the outboard was used. The blower is no longer there, although I came across instructions for its use. The battery and box shown are the ones that blew. There is NO VALVE on the thru-hull where the hose is clamped. Just a clamped black hose attached to nothing. Could the battery explosion have knocked it loose from something? My poor recall from an earlier exploration of the bilge and hull was that this hose was not attached to anything and was a remnant of its inboard past. All ideas appreciated. I'll probably head back again this weekend for more exploration. The bilge pump emptied the bilge on Saturday and on Sunday there was still no water found. . iIKNDFV'ASDKNV'AIDNV'ASDNGASRA'IG'AWRIGN'QWERG__ DISCLAIMER: Important Notice ************************************************* This e-mail may contain information that is confidential, privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not an intended recipient of this e-mail, do not duplicate or redistribute it by any means. Please delete it and any attachments and notify the sender that you have received it in error. Unintended recipients are prohibited from taking action on the basis of information in this e-mail.E-mail messages may contain computer viruses or other defects, may not be accurately replicated on other systems, or may be intercepted, deleted or interfered with without the knowledge of the sender or the intended recipient. If you are not comfortable with the risks associated with e-mail messages, you may decide not to use e-mail to communicate with IPC. 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Another thing to check is the hull to deck joint. You can get significant leakage while heeled over. Get her hard on the wind and have a good look at the hull/deck joint on the lee from inside. I used to get some water in my cal 27's bilge when sailing, usually only when sailing in heavy breeze. In my case I never did figure it out, but it was always a very small amount. I assumed it as a hull/deck leak somewere, but I never found it. bw ----- Original Message ----- From: Downing, Thomas To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 12:26 PM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Battery Blew - Possible Leak Couple of ideas - Yes, A4's were mostly salt water cooled. But even if the one on your boat was fresh water, there still would be a through-hull for the heat exchanger raw water feed. I don't think many A4's on sailing boats would have out-of-hull heat exchangers. I am not a 12V expert (or anything but maybe a 0 voit expert :-), but I would think that setting a battery switch to BOTH could be risky unless the voltage of both batteries were checked first. If there was a significant difference, there might be bad results. Last, I also had a MYSTERIOUS water in the bilge problem that only happenend when I sailed. In my case the leak was due to the hose between the cockpit scupper and the scupper through hull comming of the through hull. As this through hull is normally above the water line, water entered the boat (and the bilge) when steeply heeled or when chop caused the water to go above it. Took me some thought..... td -----Original Message----- From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Bruce Stirling Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 3:03 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Battery Blew - Possible Leak My battery exploded inside the cabin Saturday. I earlier vented everything in the lazarette around the gas tanks and outboard, but I never thought to vent the battery area in the cabin. I heard a loud bang inside the cabin when I hit the outboard's starter button. At first, I thought someone dropped something below. My nephew reported smoke coming from the area where the two batteries are kept. I thought it was smoke, too, and believed I had an electrical fire. We grabbed an extinguisher and opened up the rear section of the settee to expose the two batteries. The side of one was blown off and the black plastic holding box was blown open and split down the side. Luckily, it was contained and no one was splattered with acid. The fumes were from the acid. I added venting and checking batteries to my pre-flight checklist. My pre-explosion routine called for me to turn the knob on the panel to "both" and announce, "check." I will now always check water levels on the old surviving battery. The new battery is maitenance free. Later, as we were sailing along next to the U.S.S. Midway, my wife reported our previously dry bilge now had about four inches of water in it. The bilge pump took care of the water, and we watched the level remain constant back to the marina. We took things apart at the marina looking for a leak. No obvious source was found. The bilge pump emptied the inside of the keel and no more water appeared the rest of the day, or the next. We had used our built-in ice box for the first time, and I wondered if melting ice had drained to the bilge. We could not find any link between the ice box and the bilge, and the ice box was still full of water and ice the next day. So that wasn't the source. There is a black rubber hose attached to what appeared to be a thru-hull next to the battery box adjacent to the keel. I had seen this hose before, and I thought it was once probably attached to the old Atomic 4 inboard that no longer exists on the boat. My nephew reported he saw water dripping from the hose when he pulled it from down below. I suspected the hose was sitting in the existing bilge water when he pulled it out. We motor-sailed a bit when the wind died, and I wonder if water could have entered via the black hose at that time? Were the Atomic 4's salt water cooled? Any ideas what the black hose and thru-hull are about? The hose is just barely visible at the bottom of this old survey photo, just below the three positive red cables at the bottom of the battery in the photo: http://www.stirlinglaw.com/cal28/cal28photos/surveyphoto4.jpg . The large visible ribbed hose in the photo is a remant of the old blower system that vented the area when the outboard was used. The blower is no longer there, although I came across instructions for its use. The battery and box shown are the ones that blew. There is NO VALVE on the thru-hull where the hose is clamped. Just a clamped black hose attached to nothing. Could the battery explosion have knocked it loose from something? My poor recall from an earlier exploration of the bilge and hull was that this hose was not attached to anything and was a remnant of its inboard past. All ideas appreciated. I'll probably head back again this weekend for more exploration. The bilge pump emptied the bilge on Saturday and on Sunday there was still no water found. . iIKNDFV'ASDKNV'AIDNV'ASDNGASRA'IG'AWRIGN'QWERG__ DISCLAIMER: Important Notice ************************************************* This e-mail may contain information that is confidential, privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not an intended recipient of this e-mail, do not duplicate or redistribute it by any means. Please delete it and any attachments and notify the sender that you have received it in error. 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As far as the battery going boom. I would guess at you HAD a bad connection on your one of your batteries. When put under loads batteries outgas hydrogen gas. Spark = Boom Chuck 2-34 Second Fiddle --- "Downing, Thomas" <Th… [at] ipc.com> wrote: > Couple of ideas - > > Yes, A4's were mostly salt water cooled. But even > if the one on your boat > was fresh water, there still would be a through-hull > for the heat exchanger > raw water feed. I don't think many A4's on sailing > boats would have > out-of-hull heat exchangers. > > I am not a 12V expert (or anything but maybe a 0 > voit expert :-), but I > would think that setting a battery switch to BOTH > could be risky unless > the voltage of both batteries were checked first. > If there was a significant > difference, there might be bad results. > > Last, I also had a MYSTERIOUS water in the bilge > problem that only > happenend when I sailed. In my case the leak was > due to the hose > between the cockpit scupper and the scupper through > hull comming > of the through hull. As this through hull is > normally above the water > line, water entered the boat (and the bilge) when > steeply heeled or > when chop caused the water to go above it. > > Took me some thought..... > > td > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Bruce > Stirling > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 3:03 PM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Battery Blew - Possible Leak > > > > > > <http://portal.mxlogic.com/images/transparent.gif> > My battery exploded inside the cabin Saturday. I > earlier vented everything in the lazarette around > the gas tanks and outboard, but I never thought to > vent the battery area in the cabin. I heard a loud > bang inside the cabin when I hit the outboard's > starter button. At first, I thought someone dropped > something below. My nephew reported smoke coming > from the area where the two batteries are kept. I > thought it was smoke, too, and believed I had an > electrical fire. We grabbed an extinguisher and > opened up the rear section of the settee to expose > the two batteries. The side of one was blown off > and the black plastic holding box was blown open and > split down the side. Luckily, it was contained and > no one was splattered with acid. The fumes were > from the acid. > > I added venting and checking batteries to my > pre-flight checklist. My pre-explosion routine > called for me to turn the knob on the panel to > "both" and announce, "check." I will now always > check water levels on the old surviving battery. > The new battery is maitenance free. > > Later, as we were sailing along next to the U.S.S. > Midway, my wife reported our previously dry bilge > now had about four inches of water in it. The bilge > pump took care of the water, and we watched the > level remain constant back to the marina. We took > things apart at the marina looking for a leak. No > obvious source was found. The bilge pump emptied > the inside of the keel and no more water appeared > the rest of the day, or the next. > > We had used our built-in ice box for the first time, > and I wondered if melting ice had drained to the > bilge. We could not find any link between the ice > box and the bilge, and the ice box was still full of > water and ice the next day. So that wasn't the > source. > > There is a black rubber hose attached to what > appeared to be a thru-hull next to the battery box > adjacent to the keel. I had seen this hose before, > and I thought it was once probably attached to the > old Atomic 4 inboard that no longer exists on the > boat. My nephew reported he saw water dripping from > the hose when he pulled it from down below. I > suspected the hose was sitting in the existing bilge > water when he pulled it out. We motor-sailed a bit > when the wind died, and I wonder if water could have > entered via the black hose at that time? > > Were the Atomic 4's salt water cooled? Any ideas > what the black hose and thru-hull are about? The > hose is just barely visible at the bottom of this > old survey photo, just below the three positive red > cables at the bottom of the battery in the photo: > http://www.stirling > <http://www.stirlinglaw.com/cal28/cal28photos/surveyphoto4.jpg> > law.com/cal28/cal28photos/surveyphoto4.jpg . The > large visible ribbed hose in the photo is a remant > of the old blower system that vented the area when > the outboard was used. The blower is no longer > there, although I came across instructions for its > use. The battery and box shown are the ones that > blew. > > There is NO VALVE on the thru-hull where the hose is > clamped. Just a clamped black hose attached to > nothing. Could the battery explosion have knocked > it loose from something? My poor recall from an > earlier exploration of the bilge and hull was that > this hose was not attached to anything and was a > remnant of its inboard past. > > All ideas appreciated. I'll probably head back > again this weekend for more exploration. The bilge > pump emptied the bilge on Saturday and on Sunday > there was still no water found. > > > > . iIKNDFV'ASDKNV'AIDNV'ASDNGASRA'IG'AWRIGN'QWERG__ > > > > > > > > > DISCLAIMER: > Important Notice > ************************************************* > This e-mail may contain information that is > confidential, privileged or otherwise protected from > disclosure. If you are not an intended recipient of > this e-mail, do not duplicate or redistribute it by > any means. Please delete it and any attachments and > notify the sender that you have received it in > error. 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--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Stirling" <bruce@...> wrote: > > My battery exploded inside the cabin Saturday. snipped > There is a black rubber hose attached to what appeared to be a thru-hull > next to the battery box adjacent to the keel. I had seen this hose before, > and I thought it was once probably attached to the old Atomic 4 inboard that > no longer exists on the boat. My nephew reported he saw water dripping from > the hose when he pulled it from down below. I suspected the hose was > sitting in the existing bilge water when he pulled it out. We motor-sailed > a bit when the wind died, and I wonder if water could have entered via the > black hose at that time? > > Were the Atomic 4's salt water cooled? Yes and that could be the cooling water intake. > Any ideas what the black hose and > thru-hull are about? The hose is just barely visible at the bottom of this > old survey photo, just below the three positive red cables at the bottom of > the battery in the photo: > http://www.stirlinglaw.com/cal28/cal28photos/surveyphoto4.jpg . The large > visible ribbed hose in the photo is a remant of the old blower system that > vented the area when the outboard was used. The blower is no longer there, > although I came across instructions for its use. The battery and box shown > are the ones that blew. > > There is NO VALVE on the thru-hull where the hose is clamped. That is not good and should be remedied. Every thru-hull should have a sea cock on it. > Just a > clamped black hose attached to nothing. Could the battery explosion have > knocked it loose from something? My poor recall from an earlier exploration > of the bilge and hull was that this hose was not attached to anything and > was a remnant of its inboard past. If it attached to a thru-hull with no seacock, it is trouble waiting to happen. > > All ideas appreciated. I'll probably head back again this weekend for more > exploration. The bilge pump emptied the bilge on Saturday and on Sunday > there was still no water found. I would definitely trace that hose and check the thru-hull. If it is open and the hose is all that is keeping out the ocean, it needs attention. Mike Kennedy Conquest cal 40 # 96

I appreciate the responses. I suspect the battery went dry causing the hydrogen gas to accumulate. When I hit the starter button, there was probably a spark caused by a line I found blown off the battery. I had to reconnect and crimp it back on. It consisted of two black wires twisted together and connected to the negative terminal. They'd been blown off and come apart. I'd always seen the warning on my car batteries warning of gas explosions, but I'd never heard of it happening to anyone I knew. The second battery, which is directly cabled to the one that blew up, was very low on water. I assume the one that blew was very low, too. They looked so clean and new compared to my auto battery, I thought all was fine inside. In Phoenix, auto batteries can go bad in a single year. I always put the knob on "both" simply because everything worked after making that selection. I recall things did not work if I made another selection. I am unaware of dangers involved in making these selections. Are there any, other than battery explosions, leading to gas explosions, leading to fires, deaths, and lots of property damage? Looks like it is time for that trip to Ensenada.

I had problems with low water levels in my batteries I concluded that the voltage regulator in my alternator was at fault. I had the alternator rebuilt and I have not had a problem since. As far as I know the danger of using both on the battery selector is that it will cause a discharged battery to draw down a good battery. I wonder if a spark can be generated inside a battery when the liquid level is sufficiently below the top of the plates? _____ From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Stirling Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 4:15 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Battery Blew - Possible Leak I appreciate the responses. I suspect the battery went dry causing the hydrogen gas to accumulate. When I hit the starter button, there was probably a spark caused by a line I found blown off the battery. I had to reconnect and crimp it back on. It consisted of two black wires twisted together and connected to the negative terminal. They'd been blown off and come apart. I'd always seen the warning on my car batteries warning of gas explosions, but I'd never heard of it happening to anyone I knew. The second battery, which is directly cabled to the one that blew up, was very low on water. I assume the one that blew was very low, too. They looked so clean and new compared to my auto battery, I thought all was fine inside. In Phoenix, auto batteries can go bad in a single year. I always put the knob on "both" simply because everything worked after making that selection. I recall things did not work if I made another selection. I am unaware of dangers involved in making these selections. Are there any, other than battery explosions, leading to gas explosions, leading to fires, deaths, and lots of property damage? Looks like it is time for that trip to Ensenada.

Bruce I'm no expert on wiring. I did review you photo's of you battery. The first thing I would do is add a couple of power Buss bars. Get all those multiple connection off the top of the battery. Run only one buss cable to the battery term. All the other connections would be made outside of the battery box. This is cleaner and safer. just my .02 Chuck --- mtkennedy1 <mt… [at] cox.net> wrote: > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Stirling" > <bruce@...> wrote: > > > > My battery exploded inside the cabin Saturday. > > snipped > > > > There is a black rubber hose attached to what > appeared to be a thru-hull > > next to the battery box adjacent to the keel. I > had seen this hose before, > > and I thought it was once probably attached to the > old Atomic 4 inboard that > > no longer exists on the boat. My nephew reported > he saw water dripping from > > the hose when he pulled it from down below. I > suspected the hose was > > sitting in the existing bilge water when he pulled > it out. We motor-sailed > > a bit when the wind died, and I wonder if water > could have entered via the > > black hose at that time? > > > > Were the Atomic 4's salt water cooled? > > Yes and that could be the cooling water intake. > > > Any ideas what the black hose and > > thru-hull are about? The hose is just barely > visible at the bottom of this > > old survey photo, just below the three positive > red cables at the bottom of > > the battery in the photo: > > > http://www.stirlinglaw.com/cal28/cal28photos/surveyphoto4.jpg > . The large > > visible ribbed hose in the photo is a remant of > the old blower system that > > vented the area when the outboard was used. The > blower is no longer there, > > although I came across instructions for its use. > The battery and box shown > > are the ones that blew. > > > > There is NO VALVE on the thru-hull where the hose > is clamped. > > That is not good and should be remedied. Every > thru-hull should have a sea cock on it. > > > Just a > > clamped black hose attached to nothing. Could the > battery explosion have > > knocked it loose from something? My poor recall > from an earlier exploration > > of the bilge and hull was that this hose was not > attached to anything and > > was a remnant of its inboard past. > > If it attached to a thru-hull with no seacock, it is > trouble waiting to happen. > > > > > All ideas appreciated. I'll probably head back > again this weekend for more > > exploration. The bilge pump emptied the bilge on > Saturday and on Sunday > > there was still no water found. > > I would definitely trace that hose and check the > thru-hull. If it is open and the hose is all > that is keeping out the ocean, it needs attention. > > Mike Kennedy > Conquest cal 40 # 96 > > > > Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html

Bruce Batteries will outgas during charging and discharging. This is the just the way lead acid batteries work. The water level wasn't the problem. If your batteries are using more water than "normal" Then I would look at your charging volage. I have blown up more than one battery over the years. Mainly from jump starting. Spart+gas=boom Chuck --- John Boyce <je… [at] gmail.com> wrote: > I had problems with low water levels in my batteries > I concluded that the > voltage regulator in my alternator was at fault. I > had the alternator > rebuilt and I have not had a problem since. As far > as I know the danger of > using both on the battery selector is that it will > cause a discharged > battery to draw down a good battery. I wonder if a > spark can be generated > inside a battery when the liquid level is > sufficiently below the top of the > plates? > > _____ > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf > Of Bruce Stirling > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 4:15 PM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Battery Blew - Possible > Leak > > > > I appreciate the responses. I suspect the battery > went dry causing the > hydrogen gas to accumulate. When I hit the starter > button, there was > probably a spark caused by a line I found blown off > the battery. I had > to reconnect and crimp it back on. It consisted of > two black wires > twisted together and connected to the negative > terminal. They'd been > blown off and come apart. I'd always seen the > warning on my car > batteries warning of gas explosions, but I'd never > heard of it > happening to anyone I knew. > > The second battery, which is directly cabled to the > one that blew up, > was very low on water. I assume the one that blew > was very low, too. > They looked so clean and new compared to my auto > battery, I thought all > was fine inside. In Phoenix, auto batteries can go > bad in a single > year. > > I always put the knob on "both" simply because > everything worked after > making that selection. I recall things did not work > if I made another > selection. I am unaware of dangers involved in > making these > selections. Are there any, other than battery > explosions, leading to > gas explosions, leading to fires, deaths, and lots > of property damage? > > Looks like it is time for that trip to Ensenada. > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=graduation+gifts&cs=bz