installing log and depth transducers on cal 34

i am going to instal a sea data depth and data instrument and need to make two thru hulls. i wonder if anyone has done this and where they installed the thru hulls. would appreciate any feedback. debbie 1971 cal 34

--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "rn4sail" <rn4sail@...> wrote: > > i am going to instal a sea data depth and data instrument and need to > make two thru hulls. i wonder if anyone has done this and where they > installed the thru hulls. would appreciate any feedback. > debbie > 1971 cal 34 Depth sounders work well without a thru-hull. They can be mounted in a box glassed to the hull and filled with mineral oil. If you have other instruments that require a thru-hull, remember you want the depth sounder mounted vertical to the bottom so it should be near the midline and faired in so it points straight down. That may seem obvious but I found mine mounted at an angle by yard workers and had to have it changed before launch. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 >

mike, are you saying that i could instal depth transducer in a box somewhere inside the boat-like inside hanging locker near v-bearth? mtkennedy1 <mt… [at] cox.net> wrote: --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "rn4sail" <rn4sail@...> wrote: > > i am going to instal a sea data depth and data instrument and need to > make two thru hulls. i wonder if anyone has done this and where they > installed the thru hulls. would appreciate any feedback. > debbie > 1971 cal 34 Depth sounders work well without a thru-hull. They can be mounted in a box glassed to the hull and filled with mineral oil. If you have other instruments that require a thru-hull, remember you want the depth sounder mounted vertical to the bottom so it should be near the midline and faired in so it points straight down. That may seem obvious but I found mine mounted at an angle by yard workers and had to have it changed before launch. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > --------------------------------- Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.

--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, debbie moring <rn4sail@...> wrote: > > mike, > are you saying that i could instal depth transducer in a box somewhere inside the boat-like inside hanging locker near v-bearth? Yes.I had one in my Cal 34 that was under the head sink, as I recall. You build a plywood box that has a sloping bottom edge that matches the hull curve. The top is a screw-on lid with a hole for the transducer. The bottom is open and is glassed to the hull so the lid is level with the water surface and the bottom below. It has to be leak-proof so the oil will stay in it. The one I had was about 8 inches square and 6 inches deep at the deepest point. It's probably not as accurate as a fish finder but for a simple depth sounder, as in checking anchorage depth, etc., it should work fine. You should check with the manufacturer to be sure they approve that type installation. Thru-hulls are expensive. Mike Kennedy Conquest cal 40 # 96 > > mtkennedy1 <mtkennedy1@...> wrote: > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "rn4sail" <rn4sail@> wrote: > > > > i am going to instal a sea data depth and data instrument and need to > > make two thru hulls. i wonder if anyone has done this and where they > > installed the thru hulls. would appreciate any feedback. > > debbie > > 1971 cal 34

hello there; i am not sure just which brand of depth indecation you are instaling. however, being a died-in-the-wool raytheon/raymarine girl myself. i do know that they have several types of transducers that mount in oil-filed boxes inside the hull. boxes which they also sell by-the-way. and raytheon/raymarine also has transducers that glue right to the inside of the hull. i have seen other compinys that have transducers that glue to the inside of the hull as well. though off- hand, i couldn't tell you which ones as i don't use them..... fiver ******************************** --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "mtkennedy1" <mtkennedy1@...> wrote: > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, debbie moring <rn4sail@> wrote: > > > > mike, > > are you saying that i could instal depth transducer in a box somewhere inside the > boat-like inside hanging locker near v-bearth? > > Yes.I had one in my Cal 34 that was under the head sink, as I recall. You build a plywood > box that has a sloping bottom edge that matches the hull curve. The top is a screw-on lid > with a hole for the transducer. The bottom is open and is glassed to the hull so the lid is > level with the water surface and the bottom below. It has to be leak-proof so the oil will > stay in it. The one I had was about 8 inches square and 6 inches deep at the deepest point. > It's probably not as accurate as a fish finder but for a simple depth sounder, as in checking > anchorage depth, etc., it should work fine. You should check with the manufacturer to be > sure they approve that type installation. Thru-hulls are expensive. > > Mike Kennedy > Conquest cal 40 # 96 > > > > > > mtkennedy1 <mtkennedy1@> wrote: > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "rn4sail" <rn4sail@> wrote: > > > > > > i am going to instal a sea data depth and data instrument and need to > > > make two thru hulls. i wonder if anyone has done this and where they > > > installed the thru hulls. would appreciate any feedback. > > > debbie > > > 1971 cal 34 >

well i called west marine where i bought the comnav sea data log and depth and spoke with them. he said it would work with the box but asked why i don't want to just do a thru hull-i am going to do this with my friend who is a diver while the boat is still in the water. it sounds to me like the thru hull might be just as easy as the box. i guess we should start with the log transducer and see how smooth that goes. thanks for info! slickbutfoxbuger <fi… [at] aol.com> wrote: hello there; i am not sure just which brand of depth indecation you are instaling. however, being a died-in-the-wool raytheon/raymarine girl myself. i do know that they have several types of transducers that mount in oil-filed boxes inside the hull. boxes which they also sell by-the-way. and raytheon/raymarine also has transducers that glue right to the inside of the hull. i have seen other compinys that have transducers that glue to the inside of the hull as well. though off- hand, i couldn't tell you which ones as i don't use them..... fiver ******************************** --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "mtkennedy1" <mtkennedy1@...> wrote: > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, debbie moring <rn4sail@> wrote: > > > > mike, > > are you saying that i could instal depth transducer in a box somewhere inside the > boat-like inside hanging locker near v-bearth? > > Yes.I had one in my Cal 34 that was under the head sink, as I recall. You build a plywood > box that has a sloping bottom edge that matches the hull curve. The top is a screw-on lid > with a hole for the transducer. The bottom is open and is glassed to the hull so the lid is > level with the water surface and the bottom below. It has to be leak-proof so the oil will > stay in it. The one I had was about 8 inches square and 6 inches deep at the deepest point. > It's probably not as accurate as a fish finder but for a simple depth sounder, as in checking > anchorage depth, etc., it should work fine. You should check with the manufacturer to be > sure they approve that type installation. Thru-hulls are expensive. > > Mike Kennedy > Conquest cal 40 # 96 > > > > > > mtkennedy1 <mtkennedy1@> wrote: > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "rn4sail" <rn4sail@> wrote: > > > > > > i am going to instal a sea data depth and data instrument and need to > > > make two thru hulls. i wonder if anyone has done this and where they > > > installed the thru hulls. would appreciate any feedback. > > > debbie > > > 1971 cal 34 > --------------------------------- Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.

--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, debbie moring <rn4sail@...> wrote: > > well i called west marine where i bought the comnav sea data log and depth and spoke with them. he said it would work with the box but asked why i don't want to just do a thru hull-i am going to do this with my friend who is a diver while the boat is still in the water. it sounds to me like the thru hull might be just as easy as the box. i guess we should start with the log transducer and see how smooth that goes. thanks for info! I wouldn't say it was as easy and it is certainly more expensive but it's your boat. Mike Kennedy Conquest cal 40 # 96

Debbie, I installed a tranducer inside the hull on my Cal 29 and it works find. It's a Standard and they also sell an in-hull adapter ring that the transducer fits into. You need to smooth the hull first, then follow the instructions. I didn't have to build a special box, and it went smoothly. Just remember that you have to order the in-hull transducer. I get nervous drilling holes in the bottom of my hull. Regards, David Dobbs Cal 29 411 mtkennedy1 <mt… [at] cox.net> wrote: --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, debbie moring <rn4sail@...> wrote: > > mike, > are you saying that i could instal depth transducer in a box somewhere inside the boat-like inside hanging locker near v-bearth? Yes.I had one in my Cal 34 that was under the head sink, as I recall. You build a plywood box that has a sloping bottom edge that matches the hull curve. The top is a screw-on lid with a hole for the transducer. The bottom is open and is glassed to the hull so the lid is level with the water surface and the bottom below. It has to be leak-proof so the oil will stay in it. The one I had was about 8 inches square and 6 inches deep at the deepest point. It's probably not as accurate as a fish finder but for a simple depth sounder, as in checking anchorage depth, etc., it should work fine. You should check with the manufacturer to be sure they approve that type installation. Thru-hulls are expensive. Mike Kennedy Conquest cal 40 # 96 > > mtkennedy1 <mtkennedy1@...> wrote: > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "rn4sail" <rn4sail@> wrote: > > > > i am going to instal a sea data depth and data instrument and need to > > make two thru hulls. i wonder if anyone has done this and where they > > installed the thru hulls. would appreciate any feedback. > > debbie > > 1971 cal 34 --------------------------------- Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games.

debbie moring wrote: > well i called west marine where i bought the comnav sea data log and depth > and spoke with them. he said it would work with the box but asked why i > don't want to just do a thru hull-i am going to do this with my friend who > is a diver while the boat is still in the water. it sounds to me like the > thru hull might be just as easy as the box. i guess we should start with > the log transducer and see how smooth that goes. thanks for info! Huh. Well, I don't think I'd trust West Marine's advice on anything without confirming elsewhere... actually, I'm not sure I'd trust any salesman's advice without confirmation, but definitely not WM. Their answers always seem to involve a nifty gadget or part they happen to have for sale, and never "heck, you already have..." But the reason why you would choose the box over the through-hull, even if they were equally difficult (which I don't agree with, in or out of the water) is that the box installation doesn't require a hole in the hull. A future problem with the transducer can be resolved without having to pull any fingers out of the dike, as it were. -- Matt Beland ma… [at] rearviewmirror.org http://www.rearviewmirror.org

--- rn4sail <rn… [at] yahoo.com> wrote Debbie I used a shoot though hull depth finder. Works good to about 300ft. I think it's a standard. It also fit the old hole in the bulkhead. Chuck 2-34 second fiddle: > i am going to instal a sea data depth and data > instrument and need to > make two thru hulls. i wonder if anyone has done > this and where they > installed the thru hulls. would appreciate any > feedback. > debbie > 1971 cal 34 > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=graduation+gifts&cs=bz

My Standard Horizon puck has an angle on it. Rotating it in a variety of flatter hull positions, I found the perfect spot out of sight and protected from flailing objects. I glued it down with West System epoxy and it works flawlessly down to about 400-500 feet. I made a tape damn to keep the epoxy from running out from under it, and I mixed the epoxy with great care to avoid bubbles. Instructions came with it. Silicon also works well and you wouldn't need a grinder to remove it. Once I'm out of 15' or so of water, I rarely use depth date other than navigating a coastal shelf as an "exercise" for when the GPS fails. David Wilkie Owen Cal 2-29 "Mariposa" Santa Barbara, CA http://www.mariposasailing.com From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Lennox Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 11:52 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] installing log and depth transducers on cal 34 --- rn4sail <rn… [at] yahoo.com <mailto:rn4sail%40yahoo.com> > wrote Debbie I used a shoot though hull depth finder. Works good to about 300ft. I think it's a standard. It also fit the old hole in the bulkhead. Chuck 2-34 second fiddle: > i am going to instal a sea data depth and data instrument and need to > make two thru hulls. i wonder if anyone has done this and where they > installed the thru hulls. would appreciate any feedback. > debbie > 1971 cal 34 > > Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=graduation+gifts&cs=bz <http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=graduation+gifts&cs=bz>

I have to agree with David. I have 2 depth sounders with 2 separate senders. I sanded and cleaned the hull inside and?epoxyed?the senders down making sure there were no bubbles and both work perfectly.?Don't?drill holes into your hulls if you don't have too. Gregg & Dannae Cal 3-29 (#1008) Chaconne Everett, WA http://i7.tinypic.com/24ziwlg.jpg to… [at] aol.com From: David W. Owen <dw… [at] cox.net> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 12:07 pm Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] installing log and depth transducers on cal 34 My Standard Horizon puck has an angle on it. Rotating it in a variety of flatter hull positions, I found the perfect spot out of sight and protected from flailing objects. I glued it down with West System epoxy and it works flawlessly down to about 400-500 feet. I made a tape damn to keep the epoxy from running out from under it, and I mixed the epoxy with great care to avoid bubbles. Instructions came with it. Silicon also works well and you wouldn't need a grinder to remove it. Once I'm out of 15' or so of water, I rarely use depth date other than navigating a coastal shelf as an "exercise" for when the GPS fails. David Wilkie Owen Cal 2-29 "Mariposa" Santa Barbara, CA http://www.mariposasailing.com From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Lennox Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 11:52 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] installing log and depth transducers on cal 34 --- rn4sail <rn… [at] yahoo.com <mailto:rn4sail%40yahoo.com> > wrote Debbie I used a shoot though hull depth finder. Works good to about 300ft. I think it's a standard. It also fit the old hole in the bulkhead. Chuck 2-34 second fiddle: > i am going to instal a sea data depth and data instrument and need to > make two thru hulls. i wonder if anyone has done this and where they > installed the thru hulls. would appreciate any feedback. > debbie > 1971 cal 34 > > Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=graduation+gifts&cs=bz <http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=graduation+gifts&cs=bz> AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.

I have a '70 Cal 34 and installed my depth transducer just ahead of the water tank. I did not make a hole in the hull. They are just another opportunity for Murphy. I cleaned the inside of the hull and laid down a thick layer of silicone cement ensuring there were no air bubbles in the layer. then I embedded the transducer directly into the silicone keeping the transducer vertical. (No Tower of Pisa snafu, please). It works very well and have had no problems. The speed transducer is another issue. I suppose 1 hole in the hull is better than 2. My power boat had a bracket mounted on the transom that extended the sensor to just below the transom. But sailboats being sailboats (they tilt) you would have to mount it the center point of the hull. I am not sure how well that might work. I might have to look at Tejana and think about that. Another option might be to install the transducer from inside the bilge where the old VDO knot meter was installed. It would still be a hole in the hull, but more available for inspection. Walter MacArthur '70 Cal 34 #301 "Tejana" rn4sail wrote: i am going to instal a sea data depth and data instrument and need to make two thru hulls. i wonder if anyone has done this and where they installed the thru hulls. would appreciate any feedback. debbie 1971 cal 34

"The speed transducer is another issue. I suppose 1 hole in the hull is better than 2. My power boat had a bracket mounted on the transom that extended the sensor to just below the transom. But sailboats being sailboats (they tilt) you would have to mount it the center point of the hull. I am not sure how well that might work. I might have to look at Tejana and think about that. Another option might be to install the transducer from inside the bilge where the old VDO knot meter was installed. It would still be a hole in the hull, but more available for inspection." My Cal 34 had the knotmeter rotor mounted sideways in the keel beneath the cabin sole. That worked well and was readily accessible. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96

I have '70 Cal 34 hull #319. I tried in vain to find a spot for the depth transducer that would work inside the hull. I wanted to put it forward of the water tank. I made a temporary dam with a towel and used a hose to trickle water into the puddle. Placed the puck in the puddle and could not get a reading. It was definitely under water. Tried several locations to no avail. Cheap fish finder sounder at $79 bucks may be a factor. Was it Horizon? This method worked with a Humminbird on another boat. Wanted to test it before using epoxy. Ended up dropping it into the back of the keel where it worked in the slosh of the stuffing box. But id doesn't read when the depth is close. No readings under 7' depth because the xducer is too close to the bottom. ~smile~ SMon Walter <wa… [at] cal34.com> wrote: I have a '70 Cal 34 and installed my depth transducer just ahead of the water tank. I did not make a hole in the hull. They are just another opportunity for Murphy. I cleaned the inside of the hull and laid down a thick layer of silicone cement ensuring there were no air bubbles in the layer. then I embedded the transducer directly into the silicone keeping the transducer vertical. (No Tower of Pisa snafu, please). It works very well and have had no problems. The speed transducer is another issue. I suppose 1 hole in the hull is better than 2. My power boat had a bracket mounted on the transom that extended the sensor to just below the transom. But sailboats being sailboats (they tilt) you would have to mount it the center point of the hull. I am not sure how well that might work. I might have to look at Tejana and think about that. Another option might be to install the transducer from inside the bilge where the old VDO knot meter was installed. It would still be a hole in the hull, but more available for inspection. Walter MacArthur '70 Cal 34 #301 "Tejana" rn4sail wrote: i am going to instal a sea data depth and data instrument and need to make two thru hulls. i wonder if anyone has done this and where they installed the thru hulls. would appreciate any feedback. debbie 1971 cal 34 --------------------------------- Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase.

Mine is hull #301. I think I put it ahead of the water tank. I will be visiting Tejana possibly tomorrow. I will double-check and maybe get a photo. Walter MacArthur '70 Cal 34 #301 steve honour wrote: I have '70 Cal 34 hull #319. I tried in vain to find a spot for the depth transducer that would work inside the hull. I wanted to put it forward of the water tank. I made a temporary dam with a towel and used a hose to trickle water into the puddle. Placed the puck in the puddle and could not get a reading. It was definitely under water. Tried several locations to no avail. Cheap fish finder sounder at $79 bucks may be a factor. Was it Horizon? This method worked with a Humminbird on another boat. Wanted to test it before using epoxy. Ended up dropping it into the back of the keel where it worked in the slosh of the stuffing box. But id doesn't read when the depth is close. No readings under 7' depth because the xducer is too close to the bottom. ~smile~ SMon Walter <walter@cal34. com> wrote: I have a '70 Cal 34 and installed my depth transducer just ahead of the water tank. I did not make a hole in the hull. They are just another opportunity for Murphy. I cleaned the inside of the hull and laid down a thick layer of silicone cement ensuring there were no air bubbles in the layer. then I embedded the transducer directly into the silicone keeping the transducer vertical. (No Tower of Pisa snafu, please). It works very well and have had no problems. The speed transducer is another issue. I suppose 1 hole in the hull is better than 2. My power boat had a bracket mounted on the transom that extended the sensor to just below the transom. But sailboats being sailboats (they tilt) you would have to mount it the center point of the hull. I am not sure how well that might work. I might have to look at Tejana and think about that. Another option might be to install the transducer from inside the bilge where the old VDO knot meter was installed. It would still be a hole in the hull, but more available for inspection. Walter MacArthur '70 Cal 34 #301 "Tejana" rn4sail wrote: i am going to instal a sea data depth and data instrument and need to make two thru hulls. i wonder if anyone has done this and where they installed the thru hulls. would appreciate any feedback. debbie 1971 cal 34 Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase.

I found out one thing about speed Xducers on my old boat. Unless it is mounted on the centerline of the hull, it will read differently from one tack to the other. Also, it is better that it be forward of the keel so as to be in undisturbed flow. mtkennedy1 <mt… [at] cox.net> wrote: "The speed transducer is another issue. I suppose 1 hole in the hull is better than 2. My power boat had a bracket mounted on the transom that extended the sensor to just below the transom. But sailboats being sailboats (they tilt) you would have to mount it the center point of the hull. I am not sure how well that might work. I might have to look at Tejana and think about that. Another option might be to install the transducer from inside the bilge where the old VDO knot meter was installed. It would still be a hole in the hull, but more available for inspection." My Cal 34 had the knotmeter rotor mounted sideways in the keel beneath the cabin sole. That worked well and was readily accessible. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 --------------------------------- Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel.

I have the Log mounted just forward of the keel centerline on Freewind, and it works okay until you heel more than 25 deg or in rougher seas.. it gets funky. Maybe one of the best solutions, might be the Nexus dual logs, one on each tack. The unit senses which tack you are on as selects the correct knotmeter... but maybe this is too extreme for most of us? The best reason for good knot meter installation is if you are using polars and really depend on correctly determining the true wind angle (TWA) which is calculated. If all else fails, then you must dampen the log signal, so you can average over a duration, this is possible in Nexus instrument settings, or in your routing software. From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of steve honour Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 12:44 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: installing log and depth transducers on cal 34 I found out one thing about speed Xducers on my old boat. Unless it is mounted on the centerline of the hull, it will read differently from one tack to the other. Also, it is better that it be forward of the keel so as to be in undisturbed flow. mtkennedy1 <mt… [at] cox.net> wrote: "The speed transducer is another issue. I suppose 1 hole in the hull is better than 2. My power boat had a bracket mounted on the transom that extended the sensor to just below the transom. But sailboats being sailboats (they tilt) you would have to mount it the center point of the hull. I am not sure how well that might work. I might have to look at Tejana and think about that. Another option might be to install the transducer from inside the bilge where the old VDO knot meter was installed. It would still be a hole in the hull, but more available for inspection." My Cal 34 had the knotmeter rotor mounted sideways in the keel beneath the cabin sole. That worked well and was readily accessible. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48256/*http://travel.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTF hN2hucjlpBF9TAzk3NDA3NTg5BHBvcwM1BHNlYwNncm91cHMEc2xrA2VtYWlsLW5jbQ--> on Yahoo! Travel.

:-) Isn't your boat the one w/ all the neato Death Star instrumentation? I seem to remember being really jealous of it. Maybe I'm wrong :-Þ Marsh ti… [at] ch2m.com wrote: > I have the Log mounted just forward of the keel centerline on > Freewind, and it works okay until you heel more than 25 deg or in > rougher seas.. it gets funky. Maybe one of the best solutions, might > be the Nexus dual logs, one on each tack. The unit senses which tack > you are on as selects the correct knotmeter... but maybe this is too > extreme for most of us? > > The best reason for good knot meter installation is if you are using > polars and really depend on correctly determining the true wind angle > (TWA) which is calculated. > > If all else fails, then you must dampen the log signal, so you can > average over a duration, this is possible in Nexus instrument > settings, or in your routing software. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of steve honour > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 12:44 PM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: installing log and depth transducers on > cal 34 > > I found out one thing about speed Xducers on my old boat. Unless it > is mounted on the centerline of the hull, it will read differently > from one tack to the other. Also, it is better that it be forward of > the keel so as to be in undisturbed flow. > > mtkennedy1 <mt… [at] cox.net> wrote: > > "The speed transducer is another issue. I suppose 1 hole in the > hull is better than 2. My > power boat had a bracket mounted on the transom that extended the > sensor to just below > the transom. But sailboats being sailboats (they tilt) you would > have to mount it the center > point of the hull. I am not sure how well that might work. I might > have to look at Tejana and > think about that. > > Another option might be to install the transducer from inside the > bilge where the old VDO > knot meter was installed. It would still be a hole in the hull, > but more available for > inspection." > > My Cal 34 had the knotmeter rotor mounted sideways in the keel > beneath the cabin sole. > That worked well and was readily accessible. > > Mike Kennedy > Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places > <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48256/*http://travel.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTFhN2hucjlpBF9TAzk3NDA3NTg5BHBvcwM1BHNlYwNncm91cHMEc2xrA2VtYWlsLW5jbQ-->on > Yahoo! Travel. > -- Marsh Wise Webmaster: -reenactor.Net: http://www.reenactor.net/ -Foresthill.us: http://www.foresthill.us/ -Legio IX Hispana Penna: http://www.reenactor.net/units/legio_ix_penna/ - 17. Luftwaffe Feld-Division <http://www.reenactor.net/units/17lwfd/> Assistant Webmaster: -VAQ-33 Squadron site: http://www.reenactor.net/vaq-33/ Proud Member (meaning I can just have fun...) -LEGIO IX HISPANA COH III Penna Chapter: http://www.legio-ix-hispana.org/ Netscape Aim/AOL screen name: Sturmkatze Yahoo Messenger screen name: sturmkatze Alteris renumera duplum de quoquo tibi numeraverunt Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.... But then I repeat myself. ~Mark Twain *Last: Hey Dammit! Have you visited the reenactor.Net FORvMS? If not, WHY NOT? Gett your butt over to: http://www.reenactor.net/forums/index.php right now!

steve honour wrote: > > I found out one thing about speed Xducers on my old boat. Unless it > is mounted on the centerline of the hull, it will read differently > from one tack to the other. > My other boat has an old VDO Sumlog, a mechanical speed device that uses a little propeller and a flexible drive cable like an old car speedometer. It's a shallow-draft boat with a long keel and the only place to put the propeller device, given the need for large-radius bends in the drive cable and to keep it underwater at all times, was on the side of the keel. It gives notably different readings from tack to tack. Chris Campbell

yEPPERS... i ACTUALLY HAVE FORGOTTEN HOW TO SAIL, WITHOUT A COMPUTER TELLING ME WHAT TO DO. Sorta like workin without email... how'd we do it way back then, 7 years ago? dEmO From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Marsh Wise Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 1:29 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: installing log and depth transducers on cal 34 :-) Isn't your boat the one w/ all the neato Death Star instrumentation? I seem to remember being really jealous of it. Maybe I'm wrong :-Þ Marsh ti… [at] ch2m.com <mailto:ti… [at] ch2m.com> wrote: I have the Log mounted just forward of the keel centerline on Freewind, and it works okay until you heel more than 25 deg or in rougher seas.. it gets funky. Maybe one of the best solutions, might be the Nexus dual logs, one on each tack. The unit senses which tack you are on as selects the correct knotmeter... but maybe this is too extreme for most of us? The best reason for good knot meter installation is if you are using polars and really depend on correctly determining the true wind angle (TWA) which is calculated. If all else fails, then you must dampen the log signal, so you can average over a duration, this is possible in Nexus instrument settings, or in your routing software. From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of steve honour Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 12:44 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: installing log and depth transducers on cal 34 I found out one thing about speed Xducers on my old boat. Unless it is mounted on the centerline of the hull, it will read differently from one tack to the other. Also, it is better that it be forward of the keel so as to be in undisturbed flow. mtkennedy1 <mt… [at] cox.net> wrote: "The speed transducer is another issue. I suppose 1 hole in the hull is better than 2. My power boat had a bracket mounted on the transom that extended the sensor to just below the transom. But sailboats being sailboats (they tilt) you would have to mount it the center point of the hull. I am not sure how well that might work. I might have to look at Tejana and think about that. Another option might be to install the transducer from inside the bilge where the old VDO knot meter was installed. It would still be a hole in the hull, but more available for inspection." My Cal 34 had the knotmeter rotor mounted sideways in the keel beneath the cabin sole. That worked well and was readily accessible. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48256/*http://travel.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTFhN2hucjlpBF9TAzk3NDA3NTg5BHBvcwM1BHNlYwNncm91cHMEc2xrA2VtYWlsLW5jbQ--> on Yahoo! Travel. -- Marsh Wise Webmaster: -reenactor.Net: http://www.reenactor.net/ <http://www.reenactor.net/> -Foresthill.us: http://www.foresthill.us/ <http://www.foresthill.us/> -Legio IX Hispana Penna: http://www.reenactor.net/units/legio_ix_penna/ <http://www.reenactor.net/units/legio_ix_penna/> - 17. Luftwaffe Feld-Division <http://www.reenactor.net/units/17lwfd/> <http://www.reenactor.net/units/17lwfd/> Assistant Webmaster: -VAQ-33 Squadron site: http://www.reenactor.net/vaq-33/ <http://www.reenactor.net/vaq-33/> Proud Member (meaning I can just have fun...) -LEGIO IX HISPANA COH III Penna Chapter: http://www.legio-ix-hispana.org/ <http://www.legio-ix-hispana.org/> Netscape Aim/AOL screen name: Sturmkatze Yahoo Messenger screen name: sturmkatze Alteris renumera duplum de quoquo tibi numeraverunt Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.... But then I repeat myself. ~Mark Twain *Last: Hey Dammit! Have you visited the reenactor.Net FORvMS? If not, WHY NOT? Gett your butt over to: http://www.reenactor.net/forums/index.php <http://www.reenactor.net/forums/index.php> right now!

Both depth and speed sensors in my boat are located in the head, under the cabinetry for the sink. The bottom shelf has pull out panels for access. It is tight quarters, but I can pull and service transducers (both are through hull) when needed, while in the water. The depth transducer is approx 18" from centerline of hull. Speed sensor is approx 12" outboard of the depth sensor. Since this area is contained, it is easy to seal and dam if you wish to mount the depth transducer without drilling through the hull. I understand that mineral oil is a better transmission medium than water when attempting to shoot through the hull. The location of the sensors on the Selah have been reliable for us, and our depth sensor reads down to 1.8m - at which point our keel is on the bottom. Keel depth on my boat is 5'8". We have a lot of unmarked shoal areas in the bay, as hurricanes tend to re-arrange things annually. so we keep our depth sensor set in meters for more accuracy. Meters gives us decimal increments equivalent to approx 5 inches, whereas readings in feet results in 12 inches of variance between readings. .. Rob Selah Cal 3-34, 1977 hull 056 Destin, Fl steve honour <st… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: I have '70 Cal 34 hull #319. I tried in vain to find a spot for the depth transducer that would work inside the hull. I wanted to put it forward of the water tank. I made a temporary dam with a towel and used a hose to trickle water into the puddle. Placed the puck in the puddle and could not get a reading. It was definitely under water. Tried several locations to no avail. Cheap fish finder sounder at $79 bucks may be a factor. Was it Horizon? This method worked with a Humminbird on another boat. Wanted to test it before using epoxy. Ended up dropping it into the back of the keel where it worked in the slosh of the stuffing box. But id doesn't read when the depth is close. No readings under 7' depth because the xducer is too close to the bottom. ~smile~ SMon Walter <wa… [at] cal34.com> wrote: I have a '70 Cal 34 and installed my depth transducer just ahead of the water tank. I did not make a hole in the hull. They are just another opportunity for Murphy. I cleaned the inside of the hull and laid down a thick layer of silicone cement ensuring there were no air bubbles in the layer. then I embedded the transducer directly into the silicone keeping the transducer vertical. (No Tower of Pisa snafu, please). It works very well and have had no problems. The speed transducer is another issue. I suppose 1 hole in the hull is better than 2. My power boat had a bracket mounted on the transom that extended the sensor to just below the transom. But sailboats being sailboats (they tilt) you would have to mount it the center point of the hull. I am not sure how well that might work. I might have to look at Tejana and think about that. Another option might be to install the transducer from inside the bilge where the old VDO knot meter was installed. It would still be a hole in the hull, but more available for inspection. Walter MacArthur '70 Cal 34 #301 "Tejana" rn4sail wrote: i am going to instal a sea data depth and data instrument and need to make two thru hulls. i wonder if anyone has done this and where they installed the thru hulls. would appreciate any feedback. debbie 1971 cal 34 --------------------------------- Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase.

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nah, I've had e-mail since 96... I'm fully addicted :-( ti… [at] ch2m.com wrote: > yEPPERS... i ACTUALLY HAVE FORGOTTEN HOW TO SAIL, WITHOUT A COMPUTER > TELLING ME WHAT TO DO. > > Sorta like workin without email... how'd we do it way back then, 7 > years ago? > > dEmO > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Marsh Wise > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 1:29 PM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: installing log and depth transducers on > cal 34 > > :-) Isn't your boat the one w/ all the neato Death Star > instrumentation? I seem to remember being really jealous of it. Maybe > I'm wrong :-Þ > Marsh > > ti… [at] ch2m.com wrote: > >> I have the Log mounted just forward of the keel centerline on >> Freewind, and it works okay until you heel more than 25 deg or in >> rougher seas.. it gets funky. Maybe one of the best solutions, might >> be the Nexus dual logs, one on each tack. The unit senses which tack >> you are on as selects the correct knotmeter... but maybe this is too >> extreme for most of us? >> >> The best reason for good knot meter installation is if you are using >> polars and really depend on correctly determining the true wind angle >> (TWA) which is calculated. >> >> If all else fails, then you must dampen the log signal, so you can >> average over a duration, this is possible in Nexus instrument >> settings, or in your routing software. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On >> Behalf Of steve honour >> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 12:44 PM >> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: installing log and depth transducers on >> cal 34 >> >> I found out one thing about speed Xducers on my old boat. Unless it >> is mounted on the centerline of the hull, it will read differently >> from one tack to the other. Also, it is better that it be forward of >> the keel so as to be in undisturbed flow. >> >> mtkennedy1 <mt… [at] cox.net> wrote: >> >> "The speed transducer is another issue. I suppose 1 hole in the >> hull is better than 2. My >> power boat had a bracket mounted on the transom that extended the >> sensor to just below >> the transom. But sailboats being sailboats (they tilt) you would >> have to mount it the center >> point of the hull. I am not sure how well that might work. I >> might have to look at Tejana and >> think about that. >> >> Another option might be to install the transducer from inside the >> bilge where the old VDO >> knot meter was installed. It would still be a hole in the hull, >> but more available for >> inspection." >> >> My Cal 34 had the knotmeter rotor mounted sideways in the keel >> beneath the cabin sole. >> That worked well and was readily accessible. >> >> Mike Kennedy >> Conquest Cal 40 # 96 >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places >> <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48256/*http://travel.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTFhN2hucjlpBF9TAzk3NDA3NTg5BHBvcwM1BHNlYwNncm91cHMEc2xrA2VtYWlsLW5jbQ-->on >> Yahoo! Travel. > > >-- >Marsh Wise >Webmaster: >-reenactor.Net: http://www.reenactor.net/ >-Foresthill.us: http://www.foresthill.us/ >-Legio IX Hispana Penna: http://www.reenactor.net/units/legio_ix_penna/ >- 17. 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you know; even BB-54 came with a compass on each side of the cabin for the helmsmen. and those things cost about $150 each..... what's the big deal with a transducer on each side of the centerline for the ships log? just put in a switch. the xducer is cheap on e-bay. and if you find that too hard, just get two cheap log's..... or maybe if your using one of them for actual nav, a third log that is on the chart-plotter and reads SOG. log's can be had for $50 to 75 on e-bay..... now you want too talk depth sounders; quit rinky-dinkying with that cheap junk that can't see through a 0.025" glass hull. let-a-lone the difference between soft sand, rock shelf, or coral. buy something with a little punch to it. i see raytheon L-750's on e-bay all the time for $200 or less. and you can buy a brand-new in-hull transducer from raymarine for just about $90 that is dual frequency to handle the L-750 high out-put at 50/200 kHz. and i will tell you what; you can stick your face on the hull between the xducer and the water. and that thing will shoot right the hell through your damned head! but don't be surprised if it shows up as empty on the screen...... :)(: and the L-750's got a log too! what more do you blow-boaters want. someone to give it to you and install it too???? fiver "Buy Raytheon/Raymarine Autohelm........" ****************************** --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, <timmothy.lessley@...> wrote: > > I wonder where his knot meter paddle is installed? > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of timmothy.lessley@... > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 2:43 PM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: installing log and depth transducers on cal > 34 > > > > yEPPERS... i ACTUALLY HAVE FORGOTTEN HOW TO SAIL, WITHOUT A COMPUTER > TELLING ME WHAT TO DO. > > Sorta like workin without email... how'd we do it way back then, 7 years > ago? > > dEmO > Recent Activity > > * > 5 > New Members > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cal_Boats/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJnaGl1MTlp BF > 9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE2NDg1Njk1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2NTc5MgRzZWMDdnRs BH > NsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMTg3MjE0Mzc5> > > Visit Your Group > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cal_Boats;_ylc=X3oDMTJmcXZjN2s2BF9TAzk3 Mz > U5NzE0BGdycElkAzE2NDg1Njk1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2NTc5MgRzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2 Z2 > hwBHN0aW1lAzExODcyMTQzNzk-> > SPONSORED LINKS > > * Sailing > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads;_ylc=X3oDMTJkYzgwZTBlBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BF9 wA > zEEZ3JwSWQDMTY0ODU2OTUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY1NzkyBHNlYwNzbG1vZARzdGltZQM xM > Tg3MjE0Mzgw? t=ms&k=Sailing&w1=Sailing&w2=Boating&w3=Sailing+boat&w4=Boat > ing+sailing&w5=Boating+water+sport&c=5&s=90&g=2&.sig=Rztv1SG3N_bpkPJjl xj > TGw> > * Boating > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads;_ylc=X3oDMTJkYjlva2VyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BF9 wA > zIEZ3JwSWQDMTY0ODU2OTUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY1NzkyBHNlYwNzbG1vZARzdGltZQM xM > Tg3MjE0Mzgw? t=ms&k=Boating&w1=Sailing&w2=Boating&w3=Sailing+boat&w4=Boat > ing+sailing&w5=Boating+water+sport&c=5&s=90&g=2&.sig=8mqECyj4p3kJQS9- ldo > rDg> > * Sailing boat > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads;_ylc=X3oDMTJkYWdnaXJwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BF9 wA > zMEZ3JwSWQDMTY0ODU2OTUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY1NzkyBHNlYwNzbG1vZARzdGltZQM xM > Tg3MjE0Mzgw? t=ms&k=Sailing+boat&w1=Sailing&w2=Boating&w3=Sailing+boat&w4 > =Boating+sailing&w5=Boating+water+sport&c=5&s=90&g=2&.sig=mVj4kIyKRzYB GC > w4Oq78RA> > * Boating sailing > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads;_ylc=X3oDMTJkbnJsczZjBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BF9 wA > zQEZ3JwSWQDMTY0ODU2OTUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY1NzkyBHNlYwNzbG1vZARzdGltZQM xM > Tg3MjE0Mzgw? t=ms&k=Boating+sailing&w1=Sailing&w2=Boating&w3=Sailing+boat > &w4=Boating+sailing&w5=Boating+water+sport&c=5&s=90&g=2&.sig=nEVcuRQ6L Z0 > GSBveKKzl5w> > * Boating water sport > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads;_ylc=X3oDMTJkM3ZqaWd1BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BF9 wA > zUEZ3JwSWQDMTY0ODU2OTUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY1NzkyBHNlYwNzbG1vZARzdGltZQM xM > Tg3MjE0Mzgw? t=ms&k=Boating+water+sport&w1=Sailing&w2=Boating&w3=Sailing+ > boat&w4=Boating+sailing&w5=Boating+water+sport&c=5&s=90&g=2&.sig=25Nc6 Op > mdswokkyuF_NZ9g> > > Y! 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By-The-Way...... what is daddy-Marsh going on about some boat being done-up like a star-ship????? i thought i was the only one collecting instruments to do that trick around here. i would like to see picture's of anyone's cock-pit that is chuck-full of sailing computer's and LCD's....... (please keep in mind i read e-mail on the group web-site. so please send picture's to my e- mail address). 5er..... **************************************** :-) Isn't your boat the one w/ all the neato Death Star instrumentation? I seem to remember being really jealous of it. Maybe I'm wrong :-Þ Marsh

I wasn't. I LOVE the idea, just am too poor. When I hit the powerball, I will turn you loose and you can have everthing up to targeting computers. slickbutfoxbuger wrote: >By-The-Way...... > > what is daddy-Marsh going on about some boat being done-up like a >star-ship????? > > i thought i was the only one collecting instruments to do that trick >around here. i would like to see picture's of anyone's cock-pit that is >chuck-full of sailing computer's and LCD's....... (please keep in mind >i read e-mail on the group web-site. so please send picture's to my e- >mail address). > > 5er..... > >**************************************** > >:-) Isn't your boat the one w/ all the neato Death Star >instrumentation? I seem to remember being really jealous of it. Maybe >I'm wrong :-Þ >Marsh > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > -- Marsh Wise Webmaster: -reenactor.Net: http://www.reenactor.net/ -Foresthill.us: http://www.foresthill.us/ -Legio IX Hispana Penna: http://www.reenactor.net/units/legio_ix_penna/ - 17. Luftwaffe Feld-Division <http://www.reenactor.net/units/17lwfd/> Assistant Webmaster: -VAQ-33 Squadron site: http://www.reenactor.net/vaq-33/ Proud Member (meaning I can just have fun...) -LEGIO IX HISPANA COH III Penna Chapter: http://www.legio-ix-hispana.org/ Netscape Aim/AOL screen name: Sturmkatze Yahoo Messenger screen name: sturmkatze Alteris renumera duplum de quoquo tibi numeraverunt Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.... But then I repeat myself. ~Mark Twain *Last: Hey Dammit! Have you visited the reenactor.Net FORvMS? If not, WHY NOT? Gett your butt over to: http://www.reenactor.net/forums/index.php right now!

Oh Yea! we can link that to a high-pressure remote 1.5" fire-monitor forward so as the compition dares pass; will just open-up and blow the rags off their spar's...... :)(: do it at night and they'll never know what happened..... ***************************** --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Marsh Wise <marsh@...> wrote: > > I wasn't. I LOVE the idea, just am too poor. When I hit the powerball, I > will turn you loose and you can have everthing up to targeting computers. > > slickbutfoxbuger wrote: > > >By-The-Way...... > > > > what is daddy-Marsh going on about some boat being done-up like a > >star-ship????? > > > > i thought i was the only one collecting instruments to do that trick > >around here. i would like to see picture's of anyone's cock-pit that is > >chuck-full of sailing computer's and LCD's....... (please keep in mind > >i read e-mail on the group web-site. so please send picture's to my e- > >mail address). > > > > 5er..... > > > >**************************************** > > > >:-) Isn't your boat the one w/ all the neato Death Star > >instrumentation? I seem to remember being really jealous of it. Maybe > >I'm wrong :-Þ > >Marsh > > > > > > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Marsh Wise > Webmaster: > -reenactor.Net: http://www.reenactor.net/ > -Foresthill.us: http://www.foresthill.us/ > -Legio IX Hispana Penna: http://www.reenactor.net/units/legio_ix_penna/ > - 17. Luftwaffe Feld-Division <http://www.reenactor.net/units/17lwfd/> > > Assistant Webmaster: > -VAQ-33 Squadron site: http://www.reenactor.net/vaq-33/ > > Proud Member (meaning I can just have fun...) > -LEGIO IX HISPANA COH III Penna Chapter: http://www.legio-ix- hispana.org/ > > Netscape Aim/AOL screen name: Sturmkatze > > Yahoo Messenger screen name: sturmkatze > > Alteris renumera duplum de quoquo tibi numeraverunt > > Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.... But then I repeat myself. ~Mark Twain > > *Last: Hey Dammit! Have you visited the reenactor.Net FORvMS? If not, WHY NOT? > Gett your butt over to: http://www.reenactor.net/forums/index.php right now! >

The more I think of it, a simple wrist rocket will always work :-0 and really, I wonder if I can get another AK-47, but in stainless - yes boys and girlz, Marsh has GUNZ-and LIKES THEM TOO :-0 Fiver, prepare to repel boarders... aim low FIRE WHEN READY!. >;-) I nee dot not watch Hornblower anytime soon again. That or Master & Commander... or, go back to reading them. :-| slickbutfoxbuger wrote: >Oh Yea! > > we can link that to a high-pressure remote 1.5" fire-monitor >forward so as the compition dares pass; will just open-up and blow >the rags off their spar's...... :)(: > > do it at night and they'll never know what happened..... > > >***************************** >--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Marsh Wise <marsh@...> wrote: > > >>I wasn't. I LOVE the idea, just am too poor. When I hit the >> >> >powerball, I > > >>will turn you loose and you can have everthing up to targeting >> >> >computers. > > >>slickbutfoxbuger wrote: >> >> >> >>>By-The-Way...... >>> >>> what is daddy-Marsh going on about some boat being done-up >>> >>> >like a > > >>>star-ship????? >>> >>> i thought i was the only one collecting instruments to do that >>> >>> >trick > > >>>around here. i would like to see picture's of anyone's cock-pit >>> >>> >that is > > >>>chuck-full of sailing computer's and LCD's....... (please keep in >>> >>> >mind > > >>>i read e-mail on the group web-site. so please send picture's to >>> >>> >my e- > > >>>mail address). >>> >>> 5er..... >>> >>>**************************************** >>> >>>:-) Isn't your boat the one w/ all the neato Death Star >>>instrumentation? I seem to remember being really jealous of it. >>> >>> >Maybe > > >>>I'm wrong :-Þ >>>Marsh >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>Yahoo! Groups Links >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>-- >>Marsh Wise >>Webmaster: >>-reenactor.Net: http://www.reenactor.net/ >>-Foresthill.us: http://www.foresthill.us/ >>-Legio IX Hispana Penna: >> >> >http://www.reenactor.net/units/legio_ix_penna/ > > >>- 17. Luftwaffe Feld-Division >> >> ><http://www.reenactor.net/units/17lwfd/> > > >>Assistant Webmaster: >>-VAQ-33 Squadron site: http://www.reenactor.net/vaq-33/ >> >>Proud Member (meaning I can just have fun...) >>-LEGIO IX HISPANA COH III Penna Chapter: http://www.legio-ix- >> >> >hispana.org/ > > >>Netscape Aim/AOL screen name: Sturmkatze >> >>Yahoo Messenger screen name: sturmkatze >> >>Alteris renumera duplum de quoquo tibi numeraverunt >> >>Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of >> >> >Congress.... But then I repeat myself. ~Mark Twain > > >>*Last: Hey Dammit! Have you visited the reenactor.Net FORvMS? If >> >> >not, WHY NOT? > > >>Gett your butt over to: http://www.reenactor.net/forums/index.php >> >> >right now! > > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > -- Marsh Wise Webmaster: -reenactor.Net: http://www.reenactor.net/ -Foresthill.us: http://www.foresthill.us/ -Legio IX Hispana Penna: http://www.reenactor.net/units/legio_ix_penna/ - 17. Luftwaffe Feld-Division <http://www.reenactor.net/units/17lwfd/> Assistant Webmaster: -VAQ-33 Squadron site: http://www.reenactor.net/vaq-33/ Proud Member (meaning I can just have fun...) -LEGIO IX HISPANA COH III Penna Chapter: http://www.legio-ix-hispana.org/ Netscape Aim/AOL screen name: Sturmkatze Yahoo Messenger screen name: sturmkatze Alteris renumera duplum de quoquo tibi numeraverunt Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.... But then I repeat myself. ~Mark Twain *Last: Hey Dammit! Have you visited the reenactor.Net FORvMS? If not, WHY NOT? Gett your butt over to: http://www.reenactor.net/forums/index.php right now!

Quarter inch???? Uh, the last time I drilled a hole for the shower drain thru hull, I had to stop and let the drill cool before I was done. When I finally got thru, it was something like 3/4 inch thick. Maybe that and all the air in the mat is what keeps it from sounding. That would be the same air that has caused so many thousand osmotic blisters, perhaps? My boat musta been built on a Friday. "Hurry up and git-R-done so we can go drink beer!" Oh well. At least if they were gonna do such a lousy job on the glass, they sure used plenty of it. Fortunately the blisters are not into the roving so it's all cosmetic. My next sounder will be the thru hull type. And the Xducer will be in the bow. ~smile~ SMon ...................... fiver wrote: <snip> now you want too talk depth sounders; quit rinky-dinkying with that cheap junk that can't see through a 0.25" glass hull. <snip> Walter <wa… [at] cal34.com> wrote: Mine is hull #301. I think I put it ahead of the water tank. I will be visiting Tejana possibly tomorrow. I will double-check and maybe get a photo. Walter MacArthur '70 Cal 34 #301 steve honour wrote: I have '70 Cal 34 hull #319. I tried in vain to find a spot for the depth transducer that would work inside the hull. I wanted to put it forward of the water tank. I made a temporary dam with a towel and used a hose to trickle water into the puddle. Placed the puck in the puddle and could not get a reading. It was definitely under water. Tried several locations to no avail. Cheap fish finder sounder at $79 bucks may be a factor. Was it Horizon? This method worked with a Humminbird on another boat. Wanted to test it before using epoxy. Ended up dropping it into the back of the keel where it worked in the slosh of the stuffing box. But id doesn't read when the depth is close. No readings under 7' depth because the xducer is too close to the bottom. ~smile~ SMon Walter <wa… [at] cal34.com> wrote: I have a '70 Cal 34 and installed my depth transducer just ahead of the water tank. I did not make a hole in the hull. They are just another opportunity for Murphy. I cleaned the inside of the hull and laid down a thick layer of silicone cement ensuring there were no air bubbles in the layer. then I embedded the transducer directly into the silicone keeping the transducer vertical. (No Tower of Pisa snafu, please). It works very well and have had no problems. The speed transducer is another issue. I suppose 1 hole in the hull is better than 2. My power boat had a bracket mounted on the transom that extended the sensor to just below the transom. But sailboats being sailboats (they tilt) you would have to mount it the center point of the hull. I am not sure how well that might work. I might have to look at Tejana and think about that. Another option might be to install the transducer from inside the bilge where the old VDO knot meter was installed. It would still be a hole in the hull, but more available for inspection. Walter MacArthur '70 Cal 34 #301 "Tejana" rn4sail wrote: i am going to instal a sea data depth and data instrument and need to make two thru hulls. i wonder if anyone has done this and where they installed the thru hulls. would appreciate any feedback. debbie 1971 cal 34 --------------------------------- Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. --------------------------------- Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids.

SMon, maybe a better idea is just drag an anchor with 20' of line played out... that way if it gets shallow the boat stops? dEmO From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of steve honour Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 2:46 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] installing log and depth transducers on cal 34 Quarter inch???? Uh, the last time I drilled a hole for the shower drain thru hull, I had to stop and let the drill cool before I was done. When I finally got thru, it was something like 3/4 inch thick. Maybe that and all the air in the mat is what keeps it from sounding. That would be the same air that has caused so many thousand osmotic blisters, perhaps? My boat musta been built on a Friday. "Hurry up and git-R-done so we can go drink beer!" Oh well. At least if they were gonna do such a lousy job on the glass, they sure used plenty of it. Fortunately the blisters are not into the roving so it's all cosmetic. My next sounder will be the thru hull type. And the Xducer will be in the bow. ~smile~ SMon ...................... fiver wrote: <snip> now you want too talk depth sounders; quit rinky-dinkying with that cheap junk that can't see through a 0.25" glass hull. <snip> Walter <wa… [at] cal34.com> wrote: Mine is hull #301. I think I put it ahead of the water tank. I will be visiting Tejana possibly tomorrow. I will double-check and maybe get a photo. Walter MacArthur '70 Cal 34 #301 steve honour wrote: I have '70 Cal 34 hull #319. I tried in vain to find a spot for the depth transducer that would work inside the hull. I wanted to put it forward of the water tank. I made a temporary dam with a towel and used a hose to trickle water into the puddle. Placed the puck in the puddle and could not get a reading. It was definitely under water. Tried several locations to no avail. Cheap fish finder sounder at $79 bucks may be a factor. Was it Horizon? This method worked with a Humminbird on another boat. Wanted to test it before using epoxy. Ended up dropping it into the back of the keel where it worked in the slosh of the stuffing box. But id doesn't read when the depth is close. No readings under 7' depth because the xducer is too close to the bottom. ~smile~ SMon Walter <wa… [at] cal34.com> wrote: I have a '70 Cal 34 and installed my depth transducer just ahead of the water tank. I did not make a hole in the hull. They are just another opportunity for Murphy. I cleaned the inside of the hull and laid down a thick layer of silicone cement ensuring there were no air bubbles in the layer. then I embedded the transducer directly into the silicone keeping the transducer vertical. (No Tower of Pisa snafu, please). It works very well and have had no problems. The speed transducer is another issue. I suppose 1 hole in the hull is better than 2. My power boat had a bracket mounted on the transom that extended the sensor to just below the transom. But sailboats being sailboats (they tilt) you would have to mount it the center point of the hull. I am not sure how well that might work. I might have to look at Tejana and think about that. Another option might be to install the transducer from inside the bilge where the old VDO knot meter was installed. It would still be a hole in the hull, but more available for inspection. Walter MacArthur '70 Cal 34 #301 "Tejana" rn4sail wrote: i am going to instal a sea data depth and data instrument and need to make two thru hulls. i wonder if anyone has done this and where they installed the thru hulls. would appreciate any feedback. debbie 1971 cal 34 Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=47094/*http://farechase.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oD MTFicDJoNDllBF9TAzk3NDA3NTg5BHBvcwMxMwRzZWMDZ3JvdXBzBHNsawNlbWFpbC1uY20- > with Yahoo! FareChase. Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48248/*http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni _on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&cs=bz>

Ah dEmO - Mon, I tried draggun de anchor, Mon. But eet always catchin in de riggin of de sunken Coronados en Columbias, Mon. Eny way I got de bealt in dep sounder, doncha know. Eet always tell me wen de dep is 5 foot, Mon. But den I don't be goin no wear so eets time to hava pardy, doncha know. ~smile~ SMon ti… [at] ch2m.com wrote: SMon, maybe a better idea is just drag an anchor with 20' of line played out... that way if it gets shallow the boat stops? dEmO --------------------------------- From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of steve honour Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 2:46 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] installing log and depth transducers on cal 34 Quarter inch???? Uh, the last time I drilled a hole for the shower drain thru hull, I had to stop and let the drill cool before I was done. When I finally got thru, it was something like 3/4 inch thick. Maybe that and all the air in the mat is what keeps it from sounding. That would be the same air that has caused so many thousand osmotic blisters, perhaps? My boat musta been built on a Friday. "Hurry up and git-R-done so we can go drink beer!" Oh well. At least if they were gonna do such a lousy job on the glass, they sure used plenty of it. Fortunately the blisters are not into the roving so it's all cosmetic. My next sounder will be the thru hull type. And the Xducer will be in the bow. ~smile~ SMon ...................... fiver wrote: <snip> now you want too talk depth sounders; quit rinky-dinkying with that cheap junk that can't see through a 0.25" glass hull. <snip> Walter <wa… [at] cal34.com> wrote: Mine is hull #301. I think I put it ahead of the water tank. I will be visiting Tejana possibly tomorrow. I will double-check and maybe get a photo. Walter MacArthur '70 Cal 34 #301 steve honour wrote: I have '70 Cal 34 hull #319. I tried in vain to find a spot for the depth transducer that would work inside the hull. I wanted to put it forward of the water tank. I made a temporary dam with a towel and used a hose to trickle water into the puddle. Placed the puck in the puddle and could not get a reading. It was definitely under water. Tried several locations to no avail. Cheap fish finder sounder at $79 bucks may be a factor. Was it Horizon? This method worked with a Humminbird on another boat. Wanted to test it before using epoxy. Ended up dropping it into the back of the keel where it worked in the slosh of the stuffing box. But id doesn't read when the depth is close. No readings under 7' depth because the xducer is too close to the bottom. ~smile~ SMon Walter <wa… [at] cal34.com> wrote: I have a '70 Cal 34 and installed my depth transducer just ahead of the water tank. I did not make a hole in the hull. They are just another opportunity for Murphy. I cleaned the inside of the hull and laid down a thick layer of silicone cement ensuring there were no air bubbles in the layer. then I embedded the transducer directly into the silicone keeping the transducer vertical. (No Tower of Pisa snafu, please). It works very well and have had no problems. The speed transducer is another issue. I suppose 1 hole in the hull is better than 2. My power boat had a bracket mounted on the transom that extended the sensor to just below the transom. But sailboats being sailboats (they tilt) you would have to mount it the center point of the hull. I am not sure how well that might work. I might have to look at Tejana and think about that. Another option might be to install the transducer from inside the bilge where the old VDO knot meter was installed. It would still be a hole in the hull, but more available for inspection. Walter MacArthur '70 Cal 34 #301 "Tejana" rn4sail wrote: i am going to instal a sea data depth and data instrument and need to make two thru hulls. i wonder if anyone has done this and where they installed the thru hulls. would appreciate any feedback. debbie 1971 cal 34 --------------------------------- Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. --------------------------------- Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. --------------------------------- Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV.

Well, I didn't get out there. The area around the lake is still flooded. I can't get out with any tools to work on her anyway. The docks are floating docks but the connectors are underwater yet. Perhaps the latter end of next week. I used silicone cement to embed my transducer. I had no problems while in Galveston Bay regarding accuracy as far as I could tell. At an average depth of 8-10 feet and having a 5' draft, one wants to know how much room is left. There are two types of sailors on Galveston Bay, those that have been stuck and those that are gonna be stuck. The water is much deeper at Tejana's new home. Walter MacArthur '70 Cal 34 #301 "Tejana" Walter wrote: > > Mine is hull #301. I _think_ I put it ahead of the water tank. I will > be visiting Tejana possibly tomorrow. I will double-check and maybe > get a photo. > > Walter MacArthur > > '70 Cal 34 #301 > > steve honour wrote: > >> I have '70 Cal 34 hull #319. >> >> I tried in vain to find a spot for the depth transducer that would >> work inside the hull. I wanted to put it forward of the water tank. >> I made a temporary dam with a towel and used a hose to trickle water >> into the puddle. Placed the puck in the puddle and could not get a >> reading. It was definitely under water. Tried several locations to >> no avail. Cheap fish finder sounder at $79 bucks may be a factor. >> Was it Horizon? This method worked with a Humminbird on another >> boat. Wanted to test it before using epoxy. Ended up dropping it >> into the back of the keel where it worked in the slosh of the >> stuffing box. But id doesn't read when the depth is close. No >> readings under 7' depth because the xducer is too close to the bottom. >> >> ~smile~ >> >> SMon >> >> */Walter <wa… [at] cal34.com>/* wrote: >> >> I have a '70 Cal 34 and installed my depth transducer just ahead >> of the water tank. I did not make a hole in the hull. They are >> just another opportunity for Murphy. I cleaned the inside of the >> hull and laid down a thick layer of silicone cement ensuring >> there were no air bubbles in the layer. then I embedded the >> transducer directly into the silicone keeping the transducer >> vertical. (No Tower of Pisa snafu, please). It works very well >> and have had no problems. >> >> The speed transducer is another issue. I suppose 1 hole in the >> hull is better than 2. My power boat had a bracket mounted on the >> transom that extended the sensor to just below the transom. But >> sailboats being sailboats (they tilt) you would have to mount it >> the center point of the hull. I am not sure how well that might >> work. I might have to look at Tejana and think about that. >> >> Another option might be to install the transducer from inside the >> bilge where the old VDO knot meter was installed. It would still >> be a hole in the hull, but more available for inspection. >> >> >> Walter MacArthur >> >> '70 Cal 34 #301 "Tejana" >> >> rn4sail wrote: >>> i am going to instal a sea data depth and data instrument and >>> need to >>> make two thru hulls. i wonder if anyone has done this and where >>> they >>> installed the thru hulls. would appreciate any feedback. >>> debbie >>> 1971 cal 34 >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels >> <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=47094/*http://farechase.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTFicDJoNDllBF9TAzk3NDA3NTg5BHBvcwMxMwRzZWMDZ3JvdXBzBHNsawNlbWFpbC1uY20-> >> with Yahoo! FareChase. > > >

Well, I didn't get out there. The area around the lake is still flooded. I can't get out with any tools to work on her anyway. The docks are floating docks but the connectors are underwater yet. Perhaps the latter end of next week. I used silicone cement to embed my transducer. I had no problems while in Galveston Bay regarding accuracy as far as I could tell. At an average depth of 8-10 feet and having a 5' draft, one wants to know how much room is left. There are two types of sailors on Galveston Bay, those that have been stuck and those that are gonna be stuck. The water is much deeper at Tejana's new home. Walter MacArthur '70 Cal 34 #301 "Tejana" Walter wrote: > > Mine is hull #301. I _think_ I put it ahead of the water tank. I will > be visiting Tejana possibly tomorrow. I will double-check and maybe > get a photo. > > Walter MacArthur > > '70 Cal 34 #301 > > steve honour wrote: > >> I have '70 Cal 34 hull #319. >> >> I tried in vain to find a spot for the depth transducer that would >> work inside the hull. I wanted to put it forward of the water tank. >> I made a temporary dam with a towel and used a hose to trickle water >> into the puddle. Placed the puck in the puddle and could not get a >> reading. It was definitely under water. Tried several locations to >> no avail. Cheap fish finder sounder at $79 bucks may be a factor. >> Was it Horizon? This method worked with a Humminbird on another >> boat. Wanted to test it before using epoxy. Ended up dropping it >> into the back of the keel where it worked in the slosh of the >> stuffing box. But id doesn't read when the depth is close. No >> readings under 7' depth because the xducer is too close to the bottom. >> >> ~smile~ >> >> SMon >> >> */Walter <wa… [at] cal34.com>/* wrote: >> >> I have a '70 Cal 34 and installed my depth transducer just ahead >> of the water tank. I did not make a hole in the hull. They are >> just another opportunity for Murphy. I cleaned the inside of the >> hull and laid down a thick layer of silicone cement ensuring >> there were no air bubbles in the layer. then I embedded the >> transducer directly into the silicone keeping the transducer >> vertical. (No Tower of Pisa snafu, please). It works very well >> and have had no problems. >> >> The speed transducer is another issue. I suppose 1 hole in the >> hull is better than 2. My power boat had a bracket mounted on the >> transom that extended the sensor to just below the transom. But >> sailboats being sailboats (they tilt) you would have to mount it >> the center point of the hull. I am not sure how well that might >> work. I might have to look at Tejana and think about that. >> >> Another option might be to install the transducer from inside the >> bilge where the old VDO knot meter was installed. It would still >> be a hole in the hull, but more available for inspection. >> >> >> Walter MacArthur >> >> '70 Cal 34 #301 "Tejana" >> >> rn4sail wrote: >>> i am going to instal a sea data depth and data instrument and >>> need to >>> make two thru hulls. i wonder if anyone has done this and where >>> they >>> installed the thru hulls. would appreciate any feedback. >>> debbie >>> 1971 cal 34 >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels >> <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=47094/*http://farechase.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTFicDJoNDllBF9TAzk3NDA3NTg5BHBvcwMxMwRzZWMDZ3JvdXBzBHNsawNlbWFpbC1uY20-> >> with Yahoo! FareChase. > > >