Showing Off

For your viewing and reading pleasure. The boats were really built till 1977. Cheers Charlie

Go Charlie! I'll put in a special word with the wind gods for ya. ~smile~ SMon "Husar, Charlie" <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote: For your viewing and reading pleasure. The boats were really built till 1977. Cheers Charlie --------------------------------- Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase.

Husar, Charlie wrote: > > For your viewing and reading pleasure. > > The boats were really built till 1977. > Hey, Charlie, encouraging people to have fun inexpensively is not "showing off." Haven't we all known people who get into a new activity and must buy the most expensive and best of whatever that activity offers? I recall a guy who was serially into racing catamarans, photography, and woodworking, and then I lost track. Each time he went out and bought all the best stuff, at no small cost. Low-budget racing puts more premium on the skipper's skill than on his/her wallet. There's much to be said for that. One-design racing removes the need to indulge in handicapping system. Put them together and you've got a formula for cheap fun and skill improvement. I keep thinking about my wealthy acquaintance who _some day_ will have a dream sailboat and _some day_ will take time to have fun. Me, I'm just pedaling my bike down to the mooring and sailing my Cal 20 _any day_ I choose. And I just realized that this year is my boat's 40th birthday. Sounds like an excuse to go sailing. Chris Campbell

Old Cal's can still beat 'em. Friday night, first overall and first corrected. Sunday, first race second ovedrall and first corrected, second race first overall and corrected, third race first overall and corrected. Monday distance race second overall and first corrected. T/2's rule! Reggie >From: Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> >Reply-To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Showing Off >Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 09:53:28 -0400 > >Husar, Charlie wrote: >> >>For your viewing and reading pleasure. >> >>The boats were really built till 1977. >> > > > > > >Hey, Charlie, encouraging people to have fun inexpensively is not "showing >off." Haven't we all known people who get into a new activity and must buy >the most expensive and best of whatever that activity offers? I recall a >guy who was serially into racing catamarans, photography, and woodworking, >and then I lost track. Each time he went out and bought all the best >stuff, at no small cost. > >Low-budget racing puts more premium on the skipper's skill than on his/her >wallet. There's much to be said for that. One-design racing removes the >need to indulge in handicapping system. Put them together and you've got a >formula for cheap fun and skill improvement. > >I keep thinking about my wealthy acquaintance who _some day_ will have a >dream sailboat and _some day_ will take time to have fun. Me, I'm just >pedaling my bike down to the mooring and sailing my Cal 20 _any day_ I >choose. > >And I just realized that this year is my boat's 40th birthday. Sounds like >an excuse to go sailing. > >Chris Campbell > > Get the device you want, with the Hotmail� you love. http://www.windowsmobile.com/hotmailmobile?ocid=MobileHMTagline_1

Great job, Reggie! From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of r good Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 12:40 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com; as… [at] rmlh.com; do… [at] webtv.net; sa… [at] hotmail.com; li… [at] yahoo.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] racing old Cal's Old Cal's can still beat 'em. Friday night, first overall and first corrected. Sunday, first race second ovedrall and first corrected, second race first overall and corrected, third race first overall and corrected. Monday distance race second overall and first corrected. T/2's rule! Reggie >From: Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> >Reply-To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Showing Off >Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 09:53:28 -0400 > >Husar, Charlie wrote: >> >>For your viewing and reading pleasure. >> >>The boats were really built till 1977. >> > > > > > >Hey, Charlie, encouraging people to have fun inexpensively is not "showing >off." Haven't we all known people who get into a new activity and must buy >the most expensive and best of whatever that activity offers? I recall a >guy who was serially into racing catamarans, photography, and woodworking, >and then I lost track. Each time he went out and bought all the best >stuff, at no small cost. > >Low-budget racing puts more premium on the skipper's skill than on his/her >wallet. There's much to be said for that. One-design racing removes the >need to indulge in handicapping system. Put them together and you've got a >formula for cheap fun and skill improvement. > >I keep thinking about my wealthy acquaintance who _some day_ will have a >dream sailboat and _some day_ will take time to have fun. Me, I'm just >pedaling my bike down to the mooring and sailing my Cal 20 _any day_ I >choose. > >And I just realized that this year is my boat's 40th birthday. Sounds like >an excuse to go sailing. > >Chris Campbell > > Get the device you want, with the Hotmail® you love. http://www.windowsmobile.com/hotmailmobile?ocid=MobileHMTagline_1 Yahoo! Groups Links

Awesome!!! Rock on. I got a buddy here that wants to sell his T2. He's got bigger boat-itis. SMon, St. Pete FL r good <my… [at] hotmail.com> wrote: Old Cal's can still beat 'em. Friday night, first overall and first corrected. Sunday, first race second ovedrall and first corrected, second race first overall and corrected, third race first overall and corrected. Monday distance race second overall and first corrected. T/2's rule! Reggie >From: Chris Campbell >Reply-To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Showing Off >Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 09:53:28 -0400 > >Husar, Charlie wrote: >> >>For your viewing and reading pleasure. >> >>The boats were really built till 1977. >> > > > > > >Hey, Charlie, encouraging people to have fun inexpensively is not "showing >off." Haven't we all known people who get into a new activity and must buy >the most expensive and best of whatever that activity offers? I recall a >guy who was serially into racing catamarans, photography, and woodworking, >and then I lost track. Each time he went out and bought all the best >stuff, at no small cost. > >Low-budget racing puts more premium on the skipper's skill than on his/her >wallet. There's much to be said for that. One-design racing removes the >need to indulge in handicapping system. Put them together and you've got a >formula for cheap fun and skill improvement. > >I keep thinking about my wealthy acquaintance who _some day_ will have a >dream sailboat and _some day_ will take time to have fun. Me, I'm just >pedaling my bike down to the mooring and sailing my Cal 20 _any day_ I >choose. > >And I just realized that this year is my boat's 40th birthday. Sounds like >an excuse to go sailing. > >Chris Campbell > > Get the device you want, with the Hotmail® you love. http://www.windowsmobile.com/hotmailmobile?ocid=MobileHMTagline_1 Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online.

Steve, I don't understand it really, smaller boats are more fun, more like toys, more like sports cars than family sedans or buses. My first experience sailing in yachts was a feeling of "Have we left the dock yet"..and "we're to far up from the waves, is that the side of the boat or the sea wall"...and "when will the boat start to rock?-will I ever get to see some sea spray?". Then next thing I noticed is that people usually stay in the cockpit all the time, just going below when they need to use the head, whereupon you get get instant sea-sickness. Sail handling is more difficult and more dangerous. If you get your hand foot caught in a coil of genoa sheet line when you tack and start winching it in it becomes an injury or life threatening vs. an annoyance. And you're more likely to nix the sail outing because people beg-off at the last moment, and you don't want to go out with enough crew. Speaking of racing, Eric and I took second place in the Marina del Rey to Seal Beach "Outlaw Regatta". We thought we'd gotten first until the awards were given out, but I got a skull key chain which will take up less space and require less dusting than the Catalina 27's full sleleton figurine. Mainly, I beat my arch rival's Coumbia Challanger 24 both boat for boat and corrected time, his crew floundered when we got hit by 30 knot gusts shy of Pt. Fermin while we hung in there....and started surfing down wind...whoooey!. The race is the biggest blast on the west coast, all sorts of wind conditions and a feast and party and the finish. We then sailed to Catalina Sunday in light conditions, motoring much of the way. Wow, you can go forever at half throttle on very little gas! The Isthmus was a zoo, we lucked out finding an anchorage blow the cliffs a half mile up the coast. Nice snorkeling with the fishes on Labor day and brisk sail back on Tuesday with 15 knots on a close reach, then the wind failed a mile from the MdR breakwater. In the channel we got chased down by a big inflatable filled with US Coastguard, boarded and given a safety check. They found a few deficiencies: flares out of date, original registration not on board (I keep a copy on board) and no name affixed to boat. Other than that it was fun to have them aboard, very polite and courteous and they boarded while we kept a constant 4 knots of way, then dis boarded same way. steve honour <st… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: Awesome!!! Rock on. I got a buddy here that wants to sell his T2. He's got bigger boat-itis. SMon, St. Pete FL r good <my… [at] hotmail.com> wrote: Old Cal's can still beat 'em. Friday night, first overall and first corrected. Sunday, first race second ovedrall and first corrected, second race first overall and corrected, third race first overall and corrected. Monday distance race second overall and first corrected. T/2's rule! Reggie >From: Chris Campbell >Reply-To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Showing Off >Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 09:53:28 -0400 > >Husar, Charlie wrote: >> >>For your viewing and reading pleasure. >> >>The boats were really built till 1977. >> > > > > > >Hey, Charlie, encouraging people to have fun inexpensively is not "showing >off." Haven't we all known people who get into a new activity and must buy >the most expensive and best of whatever that activity offers? I recall a >guy who was serially into racing catamarans, photography, and woodworking, >and then I lost track. Each time he went out and bought all the best >stuff, at no small cost. > >Low-budget racing puts more premium on the skipper's skill than on his/her >wallet. There's much to be said for that. One-design racing removes the >need to indulge in handicapping system. Put them together and you've got a >formula for cheap fun and skill improvement. > >I keep thinking about my wealthy acquaintance who _some day_ will have a >dream sailboat and _some day_ will take time to have fun. Me, I'm just >pedaling my bike down to the mooring and sailing my Cal 20 _any day_ I >choose. > >And I just realized that this year is my boat's 40th birthday. Sounds like >an excuse to go sailing. > >Chris Campbell > > Get the device you want, with the Hotmail® you love. http://www.windowsmobile.com/hotmailmobile?ocid=MobileHMTagline_1 Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online.

I thought this wasn't a requirement?! I see lots of boats w/ out a name on them?! Gerald Sobel wrote: > >>>and no name affixed to boat.

Hmmm . . . . My flares are out of date, I just scraped off the old name and have not yet added the new, and I leave the registration in AZ. What were the consequences? Other than life vests and extinguishers, what else did they check for? --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Marsh Wise <marsh@...> wrote: > > I thought this wasn't a requirement?! I see lots of boats w/ out a name > on them?! > > Gerald Sobel wrote: > > > >>>and no name affixed to boat. >

Gerald Sobel wrote: > > Steve, > I don't understand it really, smaller boats are more fun > I vote the same way. My boats are mostly daysailers anyway and small ones get sailed a lot more than big ones. Cheaper, too. And usually more fun. Chris Campbell

I have forfeited quite a few races this year for lack of crew....never a problem w/ my old Laser !! I'll race the CAL25 by myself if its light enough in JAM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.comFrom: cl… [at] charterinternet.comDate: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 15:19:35 -0400Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Biggerboat-itchsis Gerald Sobel wrote: Steve,I don't understand it really, smaller boats are more funI vote the same way. My boats are mostly daysailers anyway and small ones get sailed a lot more than big ones. Cheaper, too. And usually more fun.Chris Campbell Explore the seven wonders of the world http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=7+wonders+world&mkt=en-US&form=QBRE

yes, at least a placard inside the boat,and yes, fire extinguisher must be mounted, not loose in settee cabinet. The musta figgered I had so many flares that at least a few of them wouldah woiked. I even had three that looked like WWII "Jap" hand grenades! They said something about me boat being a "documented" boat therefore requiring a name. Not sure what that meant, documented, like a US vessel? Ahhh the USSV Shpritz. Hmmmm...nice ring to that! Jerry Bruce Stirling <br… [at] stirlinglaw.com> wrote: Hmmm . . . . My flares are out of date, I just scraped off the old name and have not yet added the new, and I leave the registration in AZ. What were the consequences? Other than life vests and extinguishers, what else did they check for? --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Marsh Wise <marsh@...> wrote: > > I thought this wasn't a requirement?! I see lots of boats w/ out a name > on them?! > > Gerald Sobel wrote: > > > >>>and no name affixed to boat. >

Marsh, meethinks it has something to do with them saying my boat is a "documented vessel". I think it should also say, USSV SHPRITZ Aaaargh. That means I can commit piracy on the high seas, too! AAaarrghhh! Jerry Marsh Wise <ma… [at] reenactor.net> wrote: I thought this wasn't a requirement?! I see lots of boats w/ out a name on them?! Gerald Sobel wrote: >>>and no name affixed to boat.

I'd have asked them exactly what they meant by that. There are many, many boats w/ no name on them. Hell, MY boat has no name on it and from what I've been told, it NEVER has. It WILL, but it doesn't now. Gerald Sobel wrote: > Marsh, meethinks it has something to do with them saying my boat is a > "documented vessel". I think it should also say, USSV SHPRITZ Aaaargh. > That means I can commit piracy on the high seas, too! > AAaarrghhh! > Jerry > > > Marsh Wise <ma… [at] reenactor.net> wrote: > > I thought this wasn't a requirement?! I see lots of boats w/ out a > name on them?! > > Gerald Sobel wrote: > >> >>>and no name affixed to boat. > > > > -- Marsh Wise Webmaster: -reenactor.Net: http://www.reenactor.net/ -Foresthill.us: http://www.foresthill.us/ -Legio IX Hispana Penna: http://www.reenactor.net/units/legio_ix_penna/ - 17. Luftwaffe Feld-Division <http://www.reenactor.net/units/17lwfd/> Assistant Webmaster: -VAQ-33 Squadron site: http://www.reenactor.net/vaq-33/ Proud Member (meaning I can just have fun...) -LEGIO IX HISPANA COH III Penna Chapter: http://www.legio-ix-hispana.org/ Netscape Aim/AOL screen name: Sturmkatze Yahoo Messenger screen name: sturmkatze Alteris renumera duplum de quoquo tibi numeraverunt Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.... But then I repeat myself. ~Mark Twain *Last: Hey Dammit! Have you visited the reenactor.Net FORvMS? If not, WHY NOT? Gett your butt over to: http://www.reenactor.net/forums/index.php right now!

Documented means it was registered with the Coast Guard and not the State of California, if I remember correctly. Costs more, but foreign governments require "dicumented vessels" for cruising. I think there was something about actual titles of the boats required for documented boats, too. I remember opting not to go that route to start following my Ebay purchase. From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Gerald Sobel Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 3:48 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: name affixed to boat. ??(Bruce) yes, at least a placard inside the boat,and yes, fire extinguisher must be mounted, not loose in settee cabinet. The musta figgered I had so many flares that at least a few of them wouldah woiked. I even had three that looked like WWII "Jap" hand grenades! They said something about me boat being a "documented" boat therefore requiring a name. Not sure what that meant, documented, like a US vessel? Ahhh the USSV Shpritz. Hmmmm...nice ring to that! Jerry Bruce Stirling <br… [at] stirlinglaw.com> wrote: Hmmm . . . . My flares are out of date, I just scraped off the old name and have not yet added the new, and I leave the registration in AZ. What were the consequences? Other than life vests and extinguishers, what else did they check for? --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Marsh Wise <marsh@...> wrote: > > I thought this wasn't a requirement?! I see lots of boats w/ out a name > on them?! > > Gerald Sobel wrote: > > > >>>and no name affixed to boat. >

That should be "documented" and not "dicumented." Failure to have your boat documented could result in your being dicumented. From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Bruce Stirling Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 5:24 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: name affixed to boat. ??(Bruce) Documented means it was registered with the Coast Guard and not the State of California, if I remember correctly. Costs more, but foreign governments require "dicumented vessels" for cruising. I think there was something about actual titles of the boats required for documented boats, too. I remember opting not to go that route to start following my Ebay purchase. From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Gerald Sobel Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 3:48 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: name affixed to boat. ??(Bruce) yes, at least a placard inside the boat,and yes, fire extinguisher must be mounted, not loose in settee cabinet. The musta figgered I had so many flares that at least a few of them wouldah woiked. I even had three that looked like WWII "Jap" hand grenades! They said something about me boat being a "documented" boat therefore requiring a name. Not sure what that meant, documented, like a US vessel? Ahhh the USSV Shpritz. Hmmmm...nice ring to that! Jerry Bruce Stirling <br… [at] stirlinglaw.com> wrote: Hmmm . . . . My flares are out of date, I just scraped off the old name and have not yet added the new, and I leave the registration in AZ. What were the consequences? Other than life vests and extinguishers, what else did they check for? --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Marsh Wise <marsh@...> wrote: > > I thought this wasn't a requirement?! I see lots of boats w/ out a name > on them?! > > Gerald Sobel wrote: > > > >>>and no name affixed to boat. >

FYI, Here's the link to the Coast Guard's National Vessel Documentation Center. Likely all you need to know about documentation. Travis http://www.uscg.mil/hq/g-m/vdoc/nvdc.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce Stirling To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 7:24 PM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: name affixed to boat. ??(Bruce) Documented means it was registered with the Coast Guard and not the State of California, if I remember correctly. Costs more, but foreign governments require "dicumented vessels" for cruising. I think there was something about actual titles of the boats required for documented boats, too. I remember opting not to go that route to start following my Ebay purchase. -----Original Message----- From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Gerald Sobel Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 3:48 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: name affixed to boat. ??(Bruce) yes, at least a placard inside the boat,and yes, fire extinguisher must be mounted, not loose in settee cabinet. The musta figgered I had so many flares that at least a few of them wouldah woiked. I even had three that looked like WWII "Jap" hand grenades! They said something about me boat being a "documented" boat therefore requiring a name. Not sure what that meant, documented, like a US vessel? Ahhh the USSV Shpritz. Hmmmm...nice ring to that! Jerry Bruce Stirling <br… [at] stirlinglaw.com> wrote: Hmmm . . . . My flares are out of date, I just scraped off the old name and have not yet added the new, and I leave the registration in AZ. What were the consequences? Other than life vests and extinguishers, what else did they check for? --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Marsh Wise <marsh@...> wrote: > > I thought this wasn't a requirement?! I see lots of boats w/ out a name > on them?! > > Gerald Sobel wrote: > > > >>>and no name affixed to boat. >

To legally commit piracy on the high seas, you need a Letter of Marque. I have a draft below for your consideration. Just fill in the blanks and then just one more thing--you'll need the signature of the President of the United States. Travis LETTER OF MARQUE ____________ President of the United States of America. TO ALL WHO SHALL SEE THESE PRESENTS, GREETING: BE IT KNOWN, That in pursuance of an Act of Congress so codified as 33 USC 386, I have commissioned, and by these presents do commission, the private vessel _____ of the burthen of ___ tons, or thereabouts, owned by ______, of the City of _______, with capability of mounting guns, and navigated by ___ men, hereby authorizing the said _______, the said vessel _____ and the other officers and crew thereof to subdue, seize and take any armed or unarmed terrorist vessel, public or private, which shall be found within the jurisdictional limits of the United States or elsewhere on the high seas, and such captured vessel, with her apparel, guns and appurtenances, and the goods and effects which shall be found on board the same, together with the brigand persons and others who shall be acting on board, to bring within some port of the United States; and also to retake any vessel, goods and effects of the people of the United States, which may have been captured by any terrorist or terrorist sympathizer regime, in order that proceedings may be had concerning such capture or recapture in due form of law, and as to right and justice shall appertain. The said ______ is further authorized to detain, seize and take all vessels and effects, to whomsoever belonging, which shall be liable thereto according to the Law of Nations and the rights of the United States as a power at war, and to bring the same within some port of the United States in order that due proceedings may be had thereon. This commission to continue in force during the pleasure of the President of the United States for the time being. Given under my hand and seal of the United States of America, at the city of Washington, the __day of ____in the year of our Lord, Two Thousand and Seven. By the President ----- Original Message ----- From: Gerald Sobel To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 5:51 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] name affixed to boat. ??(Marsh) Marsh, meethinks it has something to do with them saying my boat is a "documented vessel". I think it should also say, USSV SHPRITZ Aaaargh. That means I can commit piracy on the high seas, too! AAaarrghhh! Jerry Marsh Wise <ma… [at] reenactor.net> wrote: I thought this wasn't a requirement?! I see lots of boats w/ out a name on them?! Gerald Sobel wrote: >>>and no name affixed to boat.

--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Gerald Sobel <sobel_solar@...> wrote: > > yes, at least a placard inside the boat,and yes, fire extinguisher must be mounted, not loose in settee cabinet. The musta figgered I had so many flares that at least a few of them wouldah woiked. I even had three that looked like WWII "Jap" hand grenades! > > They said something about me boat being a "documented" boat therefore requiring a name. Not sure what that meant, documented, like a US vessel? > Ahhh the USSV Shpritz. Hmmmm...nice ring to that! > Jerry Documented means registered through the Coast Guard. No CF numbers. If it is documented, there are no CF numbers and the only ID is the name. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96

someone will end up with a sweet boat. I no longer refer to my T/2 as ugly. It is "unique"! Reggie >From: steve honour <st… [at] yahoo.com> >Reply-To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] racing old Cal's >Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 08:40:40 -0700 (PDT) > >Awesome!!! > > Rock on. > > I got a buddy here that wants to sell his T2. > > He's got bigger boat-itis. > > SMon, St. Pete FL > >r good <my… [at] hotmail.com> wrote: > Old Cal's can still beat 'em. > >Friday night, first overall and first corrected. >Sunday, first race second ovedrall and first corrected, second race first >overall and corrected, third race first overall and corrected. >Monday distance race second overall and first corrected. > >T/2's rule! > >Reggie > > > >From: Chris Campbell > >Reply-To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > >To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > >Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Showing Off > >Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 09:53:28 -0400 > > > >Husar, Charlie wrote: > >> > >>For your viewing and reading pleasure. > >> > >>The boats were really built till 1977. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >Hey, Charlie, encouraging people to have fun inexpensively is not >"showing > >off." Haven't we all known people who get into a new activity and must >buy > >the most expensive and best of whatever that activity offers? I recall a > >guy who was serially into racing catamarans, photography, and >woodworking, > >and then I lost track. Each time he went out and bought all the best > >stuff, at no small cost. > > > >Low-budget racing puts more premium on the skipper's skill than on >his/her > >wallet. There's much to be said for that. One-design racing removes the > >need to indulge in handicapping system. Put them together and you've got >a > >formula for cheap fun and skill improvement. > > > >I keep thinking about my wealthy acquaintance who _some day_ will have a > >dream sailboat and _some day_ will take time to have fun. Me, I'm just > >pedaling my bike down to the mooring and sailing my Cal 20 _any day_ I > >choose. > > > >And I just realized that this year is my boat's 40th birthday. Sounds >like > >an excuse to go sailing. > > > >Chris Campbell > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get the device you want, with the Hotmail� you love. >http://www.windowsmobile.com/hotmailmobile?ocid=MobileHMTagline_1 > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >--------------------------------- >Building a website is a piece of cake. >Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. Can you find the hidden words?� Take a break and play Seekadoo! http://club.live.com/seekadoo.aspx?icid=seek_hotmailtextlink1

alas, no it wasn't in English, but bureaucratese. tr… [at] sbcglobal.net wrote: > FYI, > Here's the link to the Coast Guard's National Vessel Documentation > Center. Likely all you need to know about documentation. > Travis > http://www.uscg.mil/hq/g-m/vdoc/nvdc.htm > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bruce Stirling <mailto:br… [at] stirlinglaw.com> > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 7:24 PM > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: name affixed to boat. ??(Bruce) > > Documented means it was registered with the Coast Guard and not > the State of California, if I remember correctly. Costs more, but > foreign governments require "dicumented vessels" for cruising. I > think there was something about actual titles of the boats > required for documented boats, too. I remember opting not to go > that route to start following my Ebay purchase. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Gerald Sobel > Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 3:48 PM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: name affixed to boat. ??(Bruce) > > yes, at least a placard inside the boat,and yes, fire extinguisher > must be mounted, not loose in settee cabinet. The musta figgered I > had so many flares that at least a few of them wouldah woiked. I > even had three that looked like WWII "Jap" hand grenades! > > They said something about me boat being a "documented" boat > therefore requiring a name. Not sure what that meant, documented, > like a US vessel? > Ahhh the USSV Shpritz. Hmmmm...nice ring to that! > Jerry > > Bruce Stirling <br… [at] stirlinglaw.com> wrote: > > Hmmm . . . . My flares are out of date, I just scraped off the old > name and have not yet added the new, and I leave the > registration in > AZ. What were the consequences? Other than life vests and > extinguishers, what else did they check for? > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>, Marsh Wise <marsh@...> > wrote: > > > > I thought this wasn't a requirement?! I see lots of boats w/ > out a name > > on them?! > > > > Gerald Sobel wrote: > > > > > >>>and no name affixed to boat. > > > > > -- Marsh Wise Webmaster: -reenactor.Net: http://www.reenactor.net/ -Foresthill.us: http://www.foresthill.us/ -Legio IX Hispana Penna: http://www.reenactor.net/units/legio_ix_penna/ - 17. Luftwaffe Feld-Division <http://www.reenactor.net/units/17lwfd/> Assistant Webmaster: -VAQ-33 Squadron site: http://www.reenactor.net/vaq-33/ Proud Member (meaning I can just have fun...) -LEGIO IX HISPANA COH III Penna Chapter: http://www.legio-ix-hispana.org/ Netscape Aim/AOL screen name: Sturmkatze Yahoo Messenger screen name: sturmkatze Alteris renumera duplum de quoquo tibi numeraverunt Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.... But then I repeat myself. ~Mark Twain *Last: Hey Dammit! Have you visited the reenactor.Net FORvMS? If not, WHY NOT? Gett your butt over to: http://www.reenactor.net/forums/index.php right now!

Mike, you wrote: "Documented means registered through the Coast Guard. No CF numbers. If it is documented, there are no CF numbers and the only ID is the name." That means the Coasties are themselves confused? I have CF numbers, but they took my hull number off my registration which is some weird number made up seemingly from my CF number. Sooo I wonder whatsup? I have a beard and had towel (did they think...just unwrapped from my head?) protecting my shoulders from the sun, otherwise just jeans and suspenders. Did they mistake me for Al Kayduh? I could pass for an Iraqi Scheik, especially with my day old Catalina Island (Puma Island) sun tan. We must have had eight wearable PFDs and four cushion/throwables for the two of us, not to mention MOB pole and strobe, at which they never looked. oh, now it turns out my crew knew this but didn't say anything so as not to make waves..no pun intended. my little boat was a mess of gear and clothes, bed rolls, and food and stuff, I was happy they didn't search much as it was. Jerry mtkennedy1 <mt… [at] cox.net> wrote: --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Gerald Sobel <sobel_solar@...> wrote: > > yes, at least a placard inside the boat,and yes, fire extinguisher must be mounted, not loose in settee cabinet. The musta figgered I had so many flares that at least a few of them wouldah woiked. I even had three that looked like WWII "Jap" hand grenades! > > They said something about me boat being a "documented" boat therefore requiring a name. Not sure what that meant, documented, like a US vessel? > Ahhh the USSV Shpritz. Hmmmm...nice ring to that! > Jerry Documented means registered through the Coast Guard. No CF numbers. If it is documented, there are no CF numbers and the only ID is the name. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96

Oooooooooohhhhhhhhh that's cool. I wonder how I could really mount guns on a Cal 25? I DO have a couple of Ak-47's and some other stuff (yes peoples, they ARE legal, no matter what Chucky and Hilly tell you). I need to win the powerball and buy that ship they built to make Horatio Hornblower... Scott, Indie will really roll then! Marsh tr… [at] sbcglobal.net wrote: > To legally commit piracy on the high seas, you need a Letter of > Marque. I have a draft below for your consideration. Just fill in > the blanks and then just one more thing--you'll need the signature of > the President of the United States. > Travis > > > LETTER OF MARQUE > > > > > > ____________ President of the United States of America. > > > > TO ALL WHO SHALL SEE THESE PRESENTS, GREETING: > > BE IT KNOWN, That in pursuance of an Act of Congress so codified as 33 > USC 386, I have commissioned, and by these presents do commission, the > private vessel _____ of the burthen of ___ tons, or thereabouts, owned > by ______, of the City of _______, with capability of mounting guns, > and navigated by ___ men, hereby authorizing the said _______, the > said vessel _____ and the other officers and crew thereof to subdue, > seize and take any armed or unarmed terrorist vessel, public or > private, which shall be found within the jurisdictional limits of the > United States or elsewhere on the high seas, and such captured vessel, > with her apparel, guns and appurtenances, and the goods and effects > which shall be found on board the same, together with the brigand > persons and others who shall be acting on board, to bring within some > port of the United States; and also to retake any vessel, goods and > effects of the people of the United States, which may have been > captured by any terrorist or terrorist sympathizer regime, in order > that proceedings may be had concerning such capture or recapture in > due form of law, and as to right and justice shall appertain. The said > ______ is further authorized to detain, seize and take all vessels and > effects, to whomsoever belonging, which shall be liable thereto > according to the Law of Nations and the rights of the United States as > a power at war, and to bring the same within some port of the United > States in order that due proceedings may be had thereon. This > commission to continue in force during the pleasure of the President > of the United States for the time being. > > > > Given under my hand and seal of the United States of America, at the > city of Washington, the __day of ____in the year of our Lord, Two > Thousand and Seven. > > > > By the President > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gerald Sobel <mailto:so… [at] yahoo.com> > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 5:51 PM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] name affixed to boat. ??(Marsh) > > Marsh, meethinks it has something to do with them saying my boat > is a "documented vessel". I think it should also say, USSV SHPRITZ > Aaaargh. That means I can commit piracy on the high seas, too! > AAaarrghhh! > Jerry > > > Marsh Wise <ma… [at] reenactor.net <mailto:ma… [at] reenactor.net>> wrote: > > I thought this wasn't a requirement?! I see lots of boats w/ > out a name on them?! > > Gerald Sobel wrote: > >> >>>and no name affixed to boat. > > > > -- Marsh Wise Webmaster: -reenactor.Net: http://www.reenactor.net/ -Foresthill.us: http://www.foresthill.us/ -Legio IX Hispana Penna: http://www.reenactor.net/units/legio_ix_penna/ - 17. Luftwaffe Feld-Division <http://www.reenactor.net/units/17lwfd/> Assistant Webmaster: -VAQ-33 Squadron site: http://www.reenactor.net/vaq-33/ Proud Member (meaning I can just have fun...) -LEGIO IX HISPANA COH III Penna Chapter: http://www.legio-ix-hispana.org/ Netscape Aim/AOL screen name: Sturmkatze Yahoo Messenger screen name: sturmkatze Alteris renumera duplum de quoquo tibi numeraverunt Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.... But then I repeat myself. ~Mark Twain *Last: Hey Dammit! Have you visited the reenactor.Net FORvMS? If not, WHY NOT? Gett your butt over to: http://www.reenactor.net/forums/index.php right now!

Ah, like me MD # mtkennedy1 wrote: >--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Gerald Sobel <sobel_solar@...> wrote: > > >>yes, at least a placard inside the boat,and yes, fire extinguisher must be mounted, not >> >> >loose in settee cabinet. The musta figgered I had so many flares that at least a few of them >wouldah woiked. I even had three that looked like WWII "Jap" hand grenades! > > >>They said something about me boat being a "documented" boat therefore requiring a >> >> >name. Not sure what that meant, documented, like a US vessel? > > >>Ahhh the USSV Shpritz. Hmmmm...nice ring to that! >>Jerry >> >> > >Documented means registered through the Coast Guard. No CF numbers. If it is documented, >there are no CF numbers and the only ID is the name. > >Mike Kennedy >Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > -- Marsh Wise Webmaster: -reenactor.Net: http://www.reenactor.net/ -Foresthill.us: http://www.foresthill.us/ -Legio IX Hispana Penna: http://www.reenactor.net/units/legio_ix_penna/ - 17. Luftwaffe Feld-Division <http://www.reenactor.net/units/17lwfd/> Assistant Webmaster: -VAQ-33 Squadron site: http://www.reenactor.net/vaq-33/ Proud Member (meaning I can just have fun...) -LEGIO IX HISPANA COH III Penna Chapter: http://www.legio-ix-hispana.org/ Netscape Aim/AOL screen name: Sturmkatze Yahoo Messenger screen name: sturmkatze Alteris renumera duplum de quoquo tibi numeraverunt Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.... But then I repeat myself. ~Mark Twain *Last: Hey Dammit! Have you visited the reenactor.Net FORvMS? If not, WHY NOT? Gett your butt over to: http://www.reenactor.net/forums/index.php right now!

I'd agree that in general smaller boats are more fun. I tacked my 2-27 single-hand up and down the channel to my marina on a regular basis. I've done that once on the A32, just to prove I could. I alwasy think of the 2-27 as the sports car and the A32 as the motorhome (a very nicely handling motorhome to be sure, but still a motorhome.) There are reasons to get a bigger boat, but the only one that relates to more fun is that you can fit more people aboard! The other reasons all relate to less misery. td From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Gerald Sobel Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 1:51 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com; so… [at] msn.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Biggerboat-itchsis was:racing old Cal's Steve, I don't understand it really, smaller boats are more fun, more like toys, more like sports cars than family sedans or buses. My first experience sailing in yachts was a feeling of "Have we left the dock yet"..and "we're to far up from the waves, is that the side of the boat or the sea wall"...and "when will the boat start to rock?-will I ever get to see some sea spray?". Then next thing I noticed is that people usually stay in the cockpit all the time, just going below when they need to use the head, whereupon you get get instant sea-sickness. Sail handling is more difficult and more dangerous. If you get your hand foot caught in a coil of genoa sheet line when you tack and start winching it in it becomes an injury or life threatening vs. an annoyance. And you're more likely to nix the sail outing because people beg-off at the last moment, and you don't want to go out with enough crew. Recent Activity * 3 New <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cal_Boats/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJnNjI0bnU1BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE2NDg1Njk1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2NTc5MgRzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMTg5MDE0ODIw> Members * 3 New <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cal_Boats/spnew;_ylc=X3oDMTJnNjk1MjUyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE2NDg1Njk1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2NTc5MgRzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2cGhvdARzdGltZQMxMTg5MDE0ODIw> Photos Visit <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cal_Boats;_ylc=X3oDMTJmOXZ1OWVkBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE2NDg1Njk1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2NTc5MgRzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzExODkwMTQ4MjA-> Your Group Give Back Yahoo! <http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylc=X3oDMTJuNWJvM2hlBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BF9wAzEEZ3JwSWQDMTY0ODU2OTUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY1NzkyBHNlYwNuY21vZARzbGsDYnJhbmQEc3RpbWUDMTE4OTAxNDgyMA--;_ylg=1/SIG=11314uv3k/**http%3A//brand.yahoo.com/forgood> for Good Get inspired by a good cause. Y! Toolbar Get <http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylc=X3oDMTJwZmthbTY3BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BF9wAzIEZ3JwSWQDMTY0ODU2OTUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY1NzkyBHNlYwNuY21vZARzbGsDdG9vbGJhcgRzdGltZQMxMTg5MDE0ODIw;_ylg=1/SIG=11c6dvmk9/**http%3A//toolbar.yahoo.com/%3F.cpdl=ygrps> it Free! easy 1-click access to your groups. Yahoo! Groups Start <http://groups.yahoo.com/start;_ylc=X3oDMTJwZ2xibWhtBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BF9wAzMEZ3JwSWQDMTY0ODU2OTUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY1NzkyBHNlYwNuY21vZARzbGsDZ3JvdXBzMgRzdGltZQMxMTg5MDE0ODIw> a group in 3 easy steps. Connect with others. . <http://portal.mxlogic.com/images/transparent.gif> DISCLAIMER: Important Notice ************************************************* This e-mail may contain information that is confidential, privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not an intended recipient of this e-mail, do not duplicate or redistribute it by any means. Please delete it and any attachments and notify the sender that you have received it in error. Unintended recipients are prohibited from taking action on the basis of information in this e-mail.E-mail messages may contain computer viruses or other defects, may not be accurately replicated on other systems, or may be intercepted, deleted or interfered with without the knowledge of the sender or the intended recipient. If you are not comfortable with the risks associated with e-mail messages, you may decide not to use e-mail to communicate with IPC. IPC reserves the right, to the extent and under circumstances permitted by applicable law, to retain, monitor and intercept e-mail messages to and from its systems.

r good wrote: > someone will end up with a sweet boat. I no longer refer to my T/2 as ugly. > It is "unique"! > I finally figured out that the local boat with a Cal sheer stripe is a T/2. It was in the racing fleet last night when I was out trying to stay out of their way. and I could see the sail insignia. It is, indeed, quite "unique." Is the pilothouse-like structure on the cabin trunk an original feature, or is it something this owner added? Our local fleet seems to include two Cal 20s, the Cal 39/shortened Cal 40, and this T/2. Oh yeah, there's a Cal 28 on a mooring that I don't see sailing much. Chris Campbell

The "dog house" on the T/2 is original. It was derived by taking sort of the shape of the pop-top on the 27, and glasing it into place, sort of. The reason was that MORC (or was it IOR?) had some kind of head room requirement that the pop-top would not meet. So this is kind of my answer. I have the theory right, but my facts are all over the place (sort of). Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Campbell Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 9:10 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] racing old Cal's r good wrote: > someone will end up with a sweet boat. I no longer refer to my T/2 as ugly. > It is "unique"! > I finally figured out that the local boat with a Cal sheer stripe is a T/2. It was in the racing fleet last night when I was out trying to stay out of their way. and I could see the sail insignia. It is, indeed, quite "unique." Is the pilothouse-like structure on the cabin trunk an original feature, or is it something this owner added? Our local fleet seems to include two Cal 20s, the Cal 39/shortened Cal 40, and this T/2. Oh yeah, there's a Cal 28 on a mooring that I don't see sailing much. Chris Campbell Yahoo! Groups Links

Husar, Charlie wrote: > > The "dog house" on the T/2 is original. It was derived by taking sort > of the shape of the pop-top on the 27, and glasing it into place, sort > of. The reason was that MORC (or was it IOR?) had some kind of head > room requirement that the pop-top would not meet. So this is kind of my > answer. I have the theory right, but my facts are all over the place > (sort of). > So we are reminded, in case we don't see the odd shapes of the IOR boats in the marina, of the evil effects of racing rules on boat design. Chris Campbell

--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Gerald Sobel <sobel_solar@...> wrote: > > Mike, > you wrote: > > "Documented means registered through the Coast Guard. No CF numbers. If it is documented, > there are no CF numbers and the only ID is the name." > > That means the Coasties are themselves confused? I have CF numbers, but they took my hull number off my registration which is some weird number made up seemingly from my CF number. Sooo I wonder whatsup? Maybe your CF numbers on the boat don't match the registration ? The absence of a name when there are CF numbers is not an issue. LOts of one-design classes use the sail number and do not have a name. Maybe they were just flexing muscles. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 Which is documented. The purpose of documentation is with foreign cruising whihc we might do eventually. For example, Mexico has been known to try to charge import duty on cruising boats that are not documented. A documented vessel is not subject to import duty.

mtkennedy1 wrote: > > > > Documented means registered through the Coast Guard. No CF numbers. If > it is documented, > there are no CF numbers and the only ID is the name. > As I recall, documented vessels are given a number that must be structurally affixed inside the vessel. Our local schooner has the number carved into a deck beam below. Chris Campbell

--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Chris Campbell <clcampbell@...> wrote: > > mtkennedy1 wrote: > > > > > > > > Documented means registered through the Coast Guard. No CF numbers. If > > it is documented, > > there are no CF numbers and the only ID is the name. > > > > > > > > > > As I recall, documented vessels are given a number that must be > structurally affixed inside the vessel. Our local schooner has the > number carved into a deck beam below. Right. It is not visible from outside, though. The name and hailing port must be visible, either on the stern or the bow (name only) on each side. Ours is on the stern. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > Chris Campbell >

The "pilothouse" style coach roof is original equipment. IOR rules required 6'1" headroom in a fixed coachroof. Cal raised the poptop to 6'1" internal, glassed it in, moved the portlights from just above the sheer line to the new pilothouse, and raised the deck forward of the forward hatch. All else is identical to the original 27 poptop. again, not an expert, but this is information gleaned form wiser soles. Reggie >From: Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> >Reply-To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] racing old Cal's >Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 09:10:17 -0400 > >r good wrote: > > someone will end up with a sweet boat. I no longer refer to my T/2 as >ugly. > > It is "unique"! > > >I finally figured out that the local boat with a Cal sheer stripe is a >T/2. It was in the racing fleet last night when I was out trying to >stay out of their way. and I could see the sail insignia. It is, >indeed, quite "unique." Is the pilothouse-like structure on the cabin >trunk an original feature, or is it something this owner added? Our >local fleet seems to include two Cal 20s, the Cal 39/shortened Cal 40, >and this T/2. Oh yeah, there's a Cal 28 on a mooring that I don't see >sailing much. > >Chris Campbell Test your celebrity IQ.� Play Red Carpet Reveal and earn great prizes! http://club.live.com/red_carpet_reveal.aspx?icid=redcarpet_hotmailtextlink2

r good wrote: > The "pilothouse" style coach roof is original equipment. IOR rules required > 6'1" headroom in a fixed coachroof. That IOR was responsible for more funny-looking boats than any other. Most of the ones I see are the pinchy-sterned ones with odd-shaped after sections in the marina. Rules that create incentives to bad hull design ought to be discouraged. I've never sailed on one of those funny-sterned models but I understand that they are not well-behaved downwind.. Chris Campbell

--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Chris Campbell <clcampbell@...> wrote: > > r good wrote: > > The "pilothouse" style coach roof is original equipment. IOR rules required > > 6'1" headroom in a fixed coachroof. > That IOR was responsible for more funny-looking boats than any other. > Most of the ones I see are the pinchy-sterned ones with odd-shaped after > sections in the marina. Rules that create incentives to bad hull design > ought to be discouraged. I've never sailed on one of those > funny-sterned models but I understand that they are not well-behaved > downwind.. The pinched stern was a feature of RORC hull designs before the IOR. When the RORC and CCA rules were combined in the IOR, they took the RORC hull and used the CCA rig dimensions. After the US owners started to tinker with rulle beating features, the bumps got really bad. There are paranoids who think the IOR was a Cal 40 killer but it really killed the Pearsons and a lot of other great CCA boats. You can see the old RORC stern in pictures of Ted Heath's racers in the Admiral's Cup. This photo is 1979 but the sterns can be well seen and are the same as they were 10 years earlier, before the IOR. They were never intended to go downwind as most channel racing was reaching and beating. Photo: http://tinyurl.com/3a3b6d Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > Chris Campbell >

--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Chris Campbell <clcampbell@...> wrote: > > r good wrote: > > The "pilothouse" style coach roof is original equipment. IOR rules required > > 6'1" headroom in a fixed coachroof. > That IOR was responsible for more funny-looking boats than any other. > Most of the ones I see are the pinchy-sterned ones with odd-shaped after > sections in the marina. Rules that create incentives to bad hull design > ought to be discouraged. I've never sailed on one of those > funny-sterned models but I understand that they are not well-behaved > downwind.. Here's a photo of Heath's first Morning Cloud with which he won the Sydney-Hobart race in 1969. You can see the pinched stern from the side. <http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39446000/jpg/ _39446233_mourningcloud1969.jpg> Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 His book about sailing is worth reading. > > Chris Campbell >

There be a T2 parked next to me Cal 24. Methinks the only resemblance between the original Cal 27 pop top and the T2 is their length. For example, the T2 has the typical IOR pinched stern. There is no resemblance between the T4, the original Cal24 and the Cal24-II, or the later "new" Cal 24 that came in the 80's. r good <my… [at] hotmail.com> wrote: The "pilothouse" style coach roof is original equipment. IOR rules required 6'1" headroom in a fixed coachroof. Cal raised the poptop to 6'1" internal, glassed it in, moved the portlights from just above the sheer line to the new pilothouse, and raised the deck forward of the forward hatch. All else is identical to the original 27 poptop. again, not an expert, but this is information gleaned form wiser soles. Reggie >From: Chris Campbell >Reply-To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] racing old Cal's >Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 09:10:17 -0400 > >r good wrote: > > someone will end up with a sweet boat. I no longer refer to my T/2 as >ugly. > > It is "unique"! > > >I finally figured out that the local boat with a Cal sheer stripe is a >T/2. It was in the racing fleet last night when I was out trying to >stay out of their way. and I could see the sail insignia. It is, >indeed, quite "unique." Is the pilothouse-like structure on the cabin >trunk an original feature, or is it something this owner added? Our >local fleet seems to include two Cal 20s, the Cal 39/shortened Cal 40, >and this T/2. Oh yeah, there's a Cal 28 on a mooring that I don't see >sailing much. > >Chris Campbell Test your celebrity IQ. Play Red Carpet Reveal and earn great prizes! http://club.live.com/red_carpet_reveal.aspx?icid=redcarpet_hotmailtextlink2 Yahoo! Groups Links

mtkennedy1 wrote: > > - They were never intended to go downwind as most channel racing > was reaching and beating. > This sounds like the story of my life...the wind is coming from where I want to go. But I suppose the point is, "not always." For most of us, our boats cannot be configured for one specialized purpose (beating & reaching) but must be capable of general service. My gripe with the IOR is that it influenced production sailboats, the ones they sold to all of us for club racing and cruising and everything else. Marinas are filled with them, with sterns even pinchier than those in the RORC pictures. If rules are going to have that effect (and they inevitably do), it's better to have a rule that encourages efficient and capable hulls that function well in a variety of situations. Chris Campbell

mtkennedy1 wrote: > > > > Here's a photo of Heath's first Morning Cloud with which he won the > Sydney-Hobart race > in 1969. You can see the pinched stern from the side. > > <http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39446000/jpg/ > <http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39446000/jpg/> > _39446233_mourningcloud1969.jpg> > The BBC resolutely refused to give me the photo, even when I deleted the "u" from the URL to make it "Morning Cloud" instead of "Mourning," which isn't a very cheerful name for a yacht. Chris Campbell

--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Chris Campbell <clcampbell@...> wrote: > > mtkennedy1 wrote: > > > > > > > > Here's a photo of Heath's first Morning Cloud with which he won the > > Sydney-Hobart race > > in 1969. You can see the pinched stern from the side. TRY AGAIN: * * * * * http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39446000/jpg/ _39446233_mourningcloud1969.jpg * * * * MAKE SURE ALL THE > or < are out of the link & the underline spacer stays in * * * * link address goes all the way from http: to the second.jpg ******* or maybe $$$$$ is a better fit. The BBC resolutely refused to give me the photo, even when I deleted the > "u" from the URL to make it "Morning Cloud" instead of "Mourning," which > isn't a very cheerful name for a yacht. > > Chris Campbell >

From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of sailingbuds Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 9:22 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: racing old Cal's --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Chris Campbell <clcampbell@...> wrote: > > mtkennedy1 wrote: > > > > > > > > Here's a photo of Heath's first Morning Cloud with which he won the > > Sydney-Hobart race > > in 1969. You can see the pinched stern from the side. TRY AGAIN: * * * * * http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39446000/jpg/ _39446233_mourningcloud1969.jpg * * * * MAKE SURE ALL THE > or < are out of the link & the underline spacer stays in * * * * link address goes all the way from http: to the second.jpg ******* or maybe $$$$$ is a better fit. The BBC resolutely refused to give me the photo, even when I deleted the > "u" from the URL to make it "Morning Cloud" instead of "Mourning," which > isn't a very cheerful name for a yacht. > > Chris Campbell >

Poptop and T/2 have identical hull and stern, etc. some T/2's and some poptops had a cut out stern for an outboard. Reggie >From: Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> >Reply-To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] racing old Cal's the T/2?? >Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 23:43:46 -0700 (PDT) > >There be a T2 parked next to me Cal 24. Methinks the only resemblance >between the original Cal 27 pop top and the T2 is their length. For >example, the T2 has the typical IOR pinched stern. There is no resemblance >between the T4, the original Cal24 and the Cal24-II, or the later "new" Cal >24 that came in the 80's. > >r good <my… [at] hotmail.com> wrote: The "pilothouse" style coach roof is >original equipment. IOR rules required >6'1" headroom in a fixed coachroof. Cal raised the poptop to 6'1" >internal, >glassed it in, moved the portlights from just above the sheer line to the >new pilothouse, and raised the deck forward of the forward hatch. All else >is identical to the original 27 poptop. > >again, not an expert, but this is information gleaned form wiser soles. > >Reggie > > > >From: Chris Campbell > >Reply-To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > >To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > >Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] racing old Cal's > >Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 09:10:17 -0400 > > > >r good wrote: > > > someone will end up with a sweet boat. I no longer refer to my T/2 as > >ugly. > > > It is "unique"! > > > > >I finally figured out that the local boat with a Cal sheer stripe is a > >T/2. It was in the racing fleet last night when I was out trying to > >stay out of their way. and I could see the sail insignia. It is, > >indeed, quite "unique." Is the pilothouse-like structure on the cabin > >trunk an original feature, or is it something this owner added? Our > >local fleet seems to include two Cal 20s, the Cal 39/shortened Cal 40, > >and this T/2. Oh yeah, there's a Cal 28 on a mooring that I don't see > >sailing much. > > > >Chris Campbell > >_________________________________________________________________ >Test your celebrity IQ. Play Red Carpet Reveal and earn great prizes! >http://club.live.com/red_carpet_reveal.aspx?icid=redcarpet_hotmailtextlink2 > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > Get a FREE small business Web site and more from Microsoft� Office Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/aub0930003811mrt/direct/01/

sailingbuds wrote: > > > TRY AGAIN: * * * * * > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39446000/jpg/ > <http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39446000/jpg/> > _39446233_mourningcloud1969.jpg > > * * * * MAKE SURE ALL THE > or < are out of the link & the > underline spacer stays in * * * * link address goes all the way > from http: to the second.jpg ******* or maybe $$$$$ is a better > fit. > Copied & pasted carefully..but still get "page not found" from BBC. Chris

Bruce Stirling wrote: > > Thanks, Bruce! Got that one and now I can see the pinchy stern. Chris Campbell

Chris, Do you speak Spanish? Your description of the "pinchy" stern sounds close to the Spanish word spelled the same way, but ending in an "e," which has quite another meaning not to be used in mixed company. I am sure it has been described by some with the latter spelling. From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Chris Campbell Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 10:04 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: racing old Cal's Bruce Stirling wrote: Thanks, Bruce! Got that one and now I can see the pinchy stern. Chris Campbell

--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Chris Campbell <clcampbell@...> wrote: > > mtkennedy1 wrote: > > > > > > > > Here's a photo of Heath's first Morning Cloud with which he won the > > Sydney-Hobart race > > in 1969. You can see the pinched stern from the side. > > > > <http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39446000/jpg/ > > <http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39446000/jpg/> > > _39446233_mourningcloud1969.jpg> You need to paste the entire URL minus the < and > into your browser. I just opened it. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > > > > > > > > > > > > The BBC resolutely refused to give me the photo, even when I deleted the > "u" from the URL to make it "Morning Cloud" instead of "Mourning," which > isn't a very cheerful name for a yacht. > > Chris Campbell >

--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Chris Campbell <clcampbell@...> wrote: > > sailingbuds wrote: > > > > > > TRY AGAIN: * * * * * > > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39446000/jpg/ > > <http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39446000/jpg/> > > _39446233_mourningcloud1969.jpg > > > > * * * * MAKE SURE ALL THE > or < are out of the link & the > > underline spacer stays in * * * * link address goes all the way > > from http: to the second.jpg ******* or maybe $$$$$ is a better > > fit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Copied & pasted carefully..but still get "page not found" from BBC. I just did it again from your e-mail and got to it. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > Chris >

Worked for me as well. Try this. Copy the whole thing (not just the blue part) into Notepad or some such, then get rid of the line break and the <> and other extraneous stuff outside of http and the second .jpg. Copy result to the browser header. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mtkennedy1 Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 2:51 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: racing old Cal's --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Chris Campbell <clcampbell@...> wrote: > > sailingbuds wrote: > > > > > > TRY AGAIN: * * * * * > > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39446000/jpg/ > > <http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39446000/jpg/> > > _39446233_mourningcloud1969.jpg > > > > * * * * MAKE SURE ALL THE > or < are out of the link & the underline > > spacer stays in * * * * link address goes all the way from http: to > > the second.jpg ******* or maybe $$$$$ is a better fit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Copied & pasted carefully..but still get "page not found" from BBC. I just did it again from your e-mail and got to it. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > Chris > Yahoo! Groups Links

Bruce Stirling wrote: > > Chris, > > Do you speak Spanish? Your description of the "pinchy" stern sounds > close to the Spanish word spelled the same way, but ending in an "e," > which has quite another meaning not to be used in mixed company. I am > sure it has been described by some with the latter spelling. > Nope, no Spanish, just college French and a tiny bit now of summer-travel Italian. But some of those IOR boats can indeed be described in impolite terms. Chris

> > > I just did it again from your e-mail and got to it. > That just means that you don't have a malicious computer like mine. Chris Campbell

> > > I just did it again from your e-mail and got to it. > That just means that you don't have a malicious computer like mine. If boats have souls, so do computers, and this one isn't friendly. Chris Campbell

Chris, try it now <http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39446000/jpg/_39446233_mourningcloud1969.jpg> Chris Campbell wrote: > mtkennedy1 wrote: > >> >> >> Here's a photo of Heath's first Morning Cloud with which he won the >> Sydney-Hobart race >> in 1969. You can see the pinched stern from the side. >> >> <http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39446000/jpg/ >> <http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39446000/jpg/> >> _39446233_mourningcloud1969.jpg> >> > > > > > > > > > > > The BBC resolutely refused to give me the photo, even when I deleted > the "u" from the URL to make it "Morning Cloud" instead of "Mourning," > which isn't a very cheerful name for a yacht. > > Chris Campbell > -- Marsh Wise Webmaster: -reenactor.Net: http://www.reenactor.net/ -Foresthill.us: http://www.foresthill.us/ -Legio IX Hispana Penna: http://www.reenactor.net/units/legio_ix_penna/ - 17. Luftwaffe Feld-Division <http://www.reenactor.net/units/17lwfd/> Assistant Webmaster: -VAQ-33 Squadron site: http://www.reenactor.net/vaq-33/ Proud Member (meaning I can just have fun...) -LEGIO IX HISPANA COH III Penna Chapter: http://www.legio-ix-hispana.org/ Netscape Aim/AOL screen name: Sturmkatze Yahoo Messenger screen name: sturmkatze Alteris renumera duplum de quoquo tibi numeraverunt Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.... But then I repeat myself. ~Mark Twain *Last: Hey Dammit! Have you visited the reenactor.Net FORvMS? If not, WHY NOT? Gett your butt over to: http://www.reenactor.net/forums/index.php right now!

Peoples... when you ar eposting a link, please put it inside html brackets <> that will keep the link together Like so <http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39446000/jpg/_39446233_mourningcloud1969.jpg> sailingbuds wrote: >--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Chris Campbell <clcampbell@...> >wrote: > > >>mtkennedy1 wrote: >> >> >>> >>>Here's a photo of Heath's first Morning Cloud with which he won >>> >>> >the > > >>>Sydney-Hobart race >>>in 1969. You can see the pinched stern from the side. >>> >>> > >TRY AGAIN: * * * * * > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39446000/jpg/ > _39446233_mourningcloud1969.jpg > >* * * * MAKE SURE ALL THE > or < are out of the link & the >underline spacer stays in * * * * link address goes all the way >from http: to the second.jpg ******* or maybe $$$$$ is a better >fit. > > The BBC resolutely refused to give me the photo, even when I deleted >the > > >>"u" from the URL to make it "Morning Cloud" instead of "Mourning," >> >> >which > > >>isn't a very cheerful name for a yacht. >> >>Chris Campbell >> >> >> > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > -- Marsh Wise Webmaster: -reenactor.Net: http://www.reenactor.net/ -Foresthill.us: http://www.foresthill.us/ -Legio IX Hispana Penna: http://www.reenactor.net/units/legio_ix_penna/ - 17. Luftwaffe Feld-Division <http://www.reenactor.net/units/17lwfd/> Assistant Webmaster: -VAQ-33 Squadron site: http://www.reenactor.net/vaq-33/ Proud Member (meaning I can just have fun...) -LEGIO IX HISPANA COH III Penna Chapter: http://www.legio-ix-hispana.org/ Netscape Aim/AOL screen name: Sturmkatze Yahoo Messenger screen name: sturmkatze Alteris renumera duplum de quoquo tibi numeraverunt Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.... But then I repeat myself. ~Mark Twain *Last: Hey Dammit! Have you visited the reenactor.Net FORvMS? If not, WHY NOT? Gett your butt over to: http://www.reenactor.net/forums/index.php right now!

Marsh Wise wrote: > > Chris, try it now > <http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39446000/jpg/_39446233_mourningcloud1969.jpg> > Just fine, thank you. Bruce also sent it to me. I was examining sterns as I powered my other boat past the slips at her marina on Saturday. The most extreme IOR distortions have either been sold or maybe were out sailing. We had a few there that really looked odd. Chris Campbell