CAL 246 ketch 1973

I have a half hearted interest in acquiring a '73 2-46. I found one, but don't know what to look for. Am I insane? Is this a money pit? Help! Here is the ad: Cal 246 Ketch. 1973 Classic world cruiser, full teak decks and cabin, fiberglass hull,center cockpit, newly rebuilt Perkins 85 hp diesel engine, beautiful interior, sleeps 6-8, two toilets, bath and shower, full galley, gas generator, TVs and DVD, comes with two dinghys and extras. 2002 survey assessed valued at $115,000.

Hi Bill, Welcome to the list. As most of us have varied opinions, the CAL 46 is a wonderful and beautiful boat. Randy CAL 2-29 Out Patient Channel Islands CA Bill <w.… [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote: I have a half hearted interest in acquiring a '73 2-46. I found one, but don't know what to look for. Am I insane? Is this a money pit? Help! Here is the ad: Cal 246 Ketch. 1973 Classic world cruiser, full teak decks and cabin, fiberglass hull,center cockpit, newly rebuilt Perkins 85 hp diesel engine, beautiful interior, sleeps 6-8, two toilets, bath and shower, full galley, gas generator, TVs and DVD, comes with two dinghys and extras. 2002 survey assessed valued at $115,000. --------------------------------- Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online.

--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Bill" <w.posner@...> wrote: > > I have a half hearted interest in acquiring a '73 2-46. I found one, > but don't know what to look for. Am I insane? Is this a money pit? Help! > > Here is the ad: Cal 246 Ketch. 1973 Classic world cruiser, full teak > decks and cabin, fiberglass hull,center cockpit, newly rebuilt Perkins > 85 hp diesel engine, beautiful interior, sleeps 6-8, two toilets, bath > and shower, full galley, gas generator, TVs and DVD, comes with two > dinghys and extras. 2002 survey assessed valued at $115,000. THis looks like the boat: http://sandiego.craigslist.org/boa/415654898.html It's in San Diego so should be accessible and the price looks right. There are a couple of 46 owners on the list who should have some information. I'd start by taking a hard look at it. There are a couple in my club and I could ask the owners but see what others have to say. These are nice boats. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 >

Believe it or not, the Cal 46 has the same/similar hull as my Cal 24, just a whole lot bigger and without the centerboard, which is not necessary as my three years of competition without it has proven (altho someday I need to replace it if I'm going to compete successfully in upwind racing). If I was looking for a big boat to possibly live aboard, and this boat is in good condition (not needing to replace everything which will cost big $$$$) I'd go for it. $69,000 is a low ball price for one of these yachts. But "half-hearted" doesn't sound like you're going for it. Jerry mtkennedy1 <mt… [at] cox.net> wrote: --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Bill" <w.posner@...> wrote: > > I have a half hearted interest in acquiring a '73 2-46. I found one, > but don't know what to look for. Am I insane? Is this a money pit? Help! > > Here is the ad: Cal 246 Ketch. 1973 Classic world cruiser, full teak > decks and cabin, fiberglass hull,center cockpit, newly rebuilt Perkins > 85 hp diesel engine, beautiful interior, sleeps 6-8, two toilets, bath > and shower, full galley, gas generator, TVs and DVD, comes with two > dinghys and extras. 2002 survey assessed valued at $115,000. THis looks like the boat: http://sandiego.craigslist.org/boa/415654898.html It's in San Diego so should be accessible and the price looks right. There are a couple of 46 owners on the list who should have some information. I'd start by taking a hard look at it. There are a couple in my club and I could ask the owners but see what others have to say. These are nice boats. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 >

Hi Bill, I have had my Cal 46 since 1982, love it, would not sell for any price. I looked at the listing on the boat you are looking at, beautiful boat. Do you know the boat's name? I may know the owner. We had a very active Cal 46 association in SoCal in the eighties. We have sailed our Cal 46, "Satori" hull #3 up and down the California coast, retired in 1988, enjoyed 2 years in Mexico, Costa Rico and Panama. Through the canal in 1990. One of our best passages was nonstop from Panama Canal to Mobile, AL, averaged 6.7 knots, broad reaching with #3 jib and 1 or 2 reefs in the main. We only motored a few hours in the lee of Cuba. The rest of our fuel used was for the genset, keeping the ice cream hard and beer cold. Since coming to this coast we have cruised the Bahamas several times, 3 years in the Caribbean and South America, Chesapeake Bay and back to our own dock on Bayou Chico, Pensacola, FL. This November our boat will be 40 years old. Next year I will be 70, so old boat, old man and younger spousal unit will do another Caribbean circuit. Will your boat be a money pit? Depends on a lot of things, mainly how the PO maintained her and what you add. The engine is a biggie, but sounds as she was recently rebuilt. I put a new Perkins 4-236 in Satori in 1987 before we left Long Beach. The original had 11,000 hours and was ready for rebuild, but I lucked into a new engine. New old stock, Perkins are still available from several sources as their primary use was in agriculture and mobile refrigeration systems. I get many parts from a farm machinery dealer in Ceres, CA. So far we have put 3,600 hours on our "new" engine with only routine maintenance, oil and filter changes, recalibrate the fuel injectors each 1,000 hours, raw water pump impellers and replaced the recirculating coolant pump in 2001, $85 from Perkins. The designer, Bill Lapworth once said there is no reason to have two masts on a sailboat less than 75', except for a place to put your radar antenna. We crossed the Atlantic in a friends 50' ketch in 1985, never used the mizzen. We replace our standing rigging about each ten years, going on 15 now, but have not been cruising since 2001 due to family caregiving, which will be ending soon. Cal 46 attributes: Wonderful, comfortable liveaboard cruiser. Reaches and runs like a good Cal should. Goes to weather like a freight train, Perkins 85 horsepower, 3-1 reduction gear, 22 X 22 three blade feathering prop. Sturdy, overbuilt hull, deck, etc. Fuel capacity, ours is 400 gallons. lets you buy diesel when it's cheap. We filled up in Venezuala in 1995 for only $0.12 a gallon. Big walk around engine room with a work bench. Plenty of room for a genset, watermaker, stores, etc. Things to check: Look for soft spots near through deck fittings. Since she is 35 years old, check electrical closely. Fuel tanks were originally mild steel, I replaced mine in 1992, about $1,200 for two custom built 175 gallon tanks. Feel free to e mail or call me 7AM to 7PM Central time. 850-572-1225 Tom Vandiver, Chief Cheerleader Cal 46's --- Bill <w.… [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote: > I have a half hearted interest in acquiring a '73 > 2-46. I found one, > but don't know what to look for. Am I insane? Is > this a money pit? Help! > > Here is the ad: Cal 246 Ketch. 1973 Classic world > cruiser, full teak > decks and cabin, fiberglass hull,center cockpit, > newly rebuilt Perkins > 85 hp diesel engine, beautiful interior, sleeps 6-8, > two toilets, bath > and shower, full galley, gas generator, TVs and DVD, > comes with two > dinghys and extras. 2002 survey assessed valued at > $115,000. > >

Cal 2-46 owners and others will have lots of advice I suspect. But one thing jumps out - teak decks. On older boats these are often a problem. If the fibercglass decking underneath the teak is cored, and the teak was not maintained, the core can be rotten. Repairing a teak deck in this condition is time consumiing even if you dont replace the teak, but just redo the deck to be glass. If you replace the teak, it gets very expensive. Guy with a Mason 43 did just a small area couple of years ago. It was painful. Check the decks very carefully. td From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of mtkennedy1 Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 12:15 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL 246 ketch 1973 --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com, "Bill" <w.posner@...> wrote: > > I have a half hearted interest in acquiring a '73 2-46. I found one, > but don't know what to look for. Am I insane? Is this a money pit? Help! > > Here is the ad: Cal 246 Ketch. 1973 Classic world cruiser, full teak > decks and cabin, fiberglass hull,center cockpit, newly rebuilt Perkins > 85 hp diesel engine, beautiful interior, sleeps 6-8, two toilets, bath > and shower, full galley, gas generator, TVs and DVD, comes with two > dinghys and extras. 2002 survey assessed valued at $115,000. THis looks like the boat: http://sandiego. <http://sandiego.craigslist.org/boa/415654898.html> craigslist.org/boa/415654898.html It's in San Diego so should be accessible and the price looks right. There are a couple of 46 owners on the list who should have some information. I'd start by taking a hard look at it. There are a couple in my club and I could ask the owners but see what others have to say. These are nice boats. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > DISCLAIMER: Important Notice ************************************************* This e-mail may contain information that is confidential, privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not an intended recipient of this e-mail, do not duplicate or redistribute it by any means. Please delete it and any attachments and notify the sender that you have received it in error. Unintended recipients are prohibited from taking action on the basis of information in this e-mail.E-mail messages may contain computer viruses or other defects, may not be accurately replicated on other systems, or may be intercepted, deleted or interfered with without the knowledge of the sender or the intended recipient. If you are not comfortable with the risks associated with e-mail messages, you may decide not to use e-mail to communicate with IPC. IPC reserves the right, to the extent and under circumstances permitted by applicable law, to retain, monitor and intercept e-mail messages to and from its systems.

Bill wrote: > > Am I insane? Is this a money pit? Help! > > Here is the ad: Cal 246 Ketch. 1973 Classic world cruiser, full teak > decks > When I see "full teak decks" on a fiberglass boat, I think "deck leaks and core rot," which is another way of saying "get out the checkbook." Maybe others know how the decks were affixed on this boat, but if they're screwed there are leaks and if they're glued it's hell to replace them when they wear out. Chris Campbell

According to an article on the net now for a long time, the Cal 46 was Lapworth's favorite, although I also saw a statement attributed to his wife, that he liked the 36. Don't know which is true, but this has him in quotes: Of all the boats that Lapworth has designed, what is his favorite? "The one I currently own, a Cal Cruising 46. A fellow named Hale Field, who lived in the Newport area, had a nifty little sloop that he'd raised five kids on. He used to navigate for me on various boats. One day he came to me and said he had kind of a sketch for a boat 46 feet long that he wanted me to design. This was to be a one-off. It was built at Willard Boatyard. It was called Fram, and it's been around here on the West Coast for a long, long time." The next one -- the first 'true' Cal 46 -- was built at Jensen Marine for Wade Hill. When orders for more 46s started coming in, Jensen took a mold off Wade's hull and began production. Jensen Marine built 15 (some say 17) of the original Cal Cruising 46s before the orders started drying up. Thinking that the accommodations might be the reason, Bill and Jack put their heads together and redesigned the interior. They moved the engine room forward to midships and relocated the aft cabin even further aft. The main salon and the forward cabin were enlarged. This 'new' design, dubbed the Cal 2-46, proved to be just what the public wanted and was a huge success at the 1970 Long Beach Boat Show. Ninety-five 2-46s were eventually built. The boat went through a third iteration in the mid-'70s that included smaller cabin windows and a different interior layout. Around 30 of these Cal 3-46s (or "Mark IIIs") were built. Whatever their outward or interior appearance, all the 46s were built on the same hull. see the article here:http://www.seayanika.com/lat38apr02.html [I'll bet he really loved the Cal 28, but for commercial reasons had to claim he liked the larger boats . . . . ] Just my two cents . . . I'd like a Cal 46, too, but not too sure how I feel about thost large cabin windows. I'd probably love one if seen up close and personal. Bruce Stirling Gangfurd Cal 28-Hull 82 http://www.stirlinglaw.com/cal28 --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Chris Campbell <clcampbell@...> wrote: > > Bill wrote: > > > > Am I insane? Is this a money pit? Help! > > > > Here is the ad: Cal 246 Ketch. 1973 Classic world cruiser, full teak > > decks > > > > > > > > When I see "full teak decks" on a fiberglass boat, I think "deck leaks > and core rot," which is another way of saying "get out the checkbook." > Maybe others know how the decks were affixed on this boat, but if > they're screwed there are leaks and if they're glued it's hell to > replace them when they wear out. > > Chris Campbell >

Just a note - Cal 46 is a great boat, but if it's this one on Craigslist, give it a long hard look. It's been repossessed once and listed by several brokers for quite a while; it has a non-standard layout, and the teak decks cd be an issue. But you may well get a real bargain. Sure looks nice. Nick From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mtkennedy1 Sent: September 6, 2007 9:15 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL 246 ketch 1973 --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Bill" <w.posner@...> wrote: > > I have a half hearted interest in acquiring a '73 2-46. I found one, > but don't know what to look for. Am I insane? Is this a money pit? > Help! > > Here is the ad: Cal 246 Ketch. 1973 Classic world cruiser, full teak > decks and cabin, fiberglass hull,center cockpit, newly rebuilt Perkins > 85 hp diesel engine, beautiful interior, sleeps 6-8, two toilets, bath > and shower, full galley, gas generator, TVs and DVD, comes with two > dinghys and extras. 2002 survey assessed valued at $115,000. THis looks like the boat: http://sandiego.craigslist.org/boa/415654898.html It's in San Diego so should be accessible and the price looks right. There are a couple of 46 owners on the list who should have some information. I'd start by taking a hard look at it. There are a couple in my club and I could ask the owners but see what others have to say. These are nice boats. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.8/993 - Release Date: 9/6/2007 3:18 PM No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.8/993 - Release Date: 2007-09-06 3:18 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.8/993 - Release Date: 2007-09-06 3:18 PM

Hello Tom,

--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Stirling" <bruce@...> wrote: > > Hello Tom, > > From what I read on the Internet, you now own Jack Jensen's Cal 46. > Who has Lapworth's? Anyone know? There was a thread last fall about it and it concluded that it was in poor condition. I don't know what finally happened but it had been sadly neglected. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 >

By the way, when we had Bill and Peggy Lapworth as guests of honor at a CAL 25 luncheon in Annapolis in the early 90's. Bill was asked the same question. He said that his favorite CAL was always the one he owned at the moment. At that moment, it was the CAL 46. They were leaving from Annapolis for a Great Lakes tour. At the time, they were living in the northern neck of VA, just south of the Potomac River. Coudda knocked me over with a feather when they said they would come to our luncheon. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Stirling Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 7:56 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL 246 ketch 1973-Tom V responds Hello Tom,

Hi Bruce, Yes, I bought Satori, Hull #3 from Jack's estate, March 17, 1982. Bill's boat, "Merrydown" was for sale in the Chesapeake some years ago, after Bill had moved back to CA. Don't know what happened. We are two of the 17 or so Cal Cruising 46's built. Two of my cruising friends who kept pestering me about buying Satori have found their own Cal Cruising 46's. One is just down the bayou from us "Jack-A-Hearts" #16 owned by Richard and Charli Birge. Rex Wise, bought a 46 from someone in the PNW, sailed her down to Mexico, got dismasted in the Tehauntepec, motored back to SoCal, got a new rig, then on through the canal and now keeps her in Lake Charles, LA. We met another cruiser in Trinidad, who also became enamored of our boat, he finally found one without a mast on the east coast. We met up with him again in 2001 at Daytona Beach. He had bought a mast from a "too tall" Hunter, about 60 something feet. When he asked us when he should reef, Bobbie replied, "Before you leave the dock." He is now back in Trinidad. The Cal Cruising 46 is a unique boat that according to what I have heard was designed for a purpose, not a market. I can go on and on.... Tom and Bobbie Vandiver, Cal 46 #3 Satori, Cal 25, #737, Bravura, who is on a trailer ready to get a fresh paint job --- Bruce Stirling <br… [at] stirlinglaw.com> wrote: > Hello Tom, > > From what I read on the Internet, you now own Jack > Jensen's Cal 46. > Who has Lapworth's? Anyone know? > >

Bill, and all my other OLD friends from the defunct CAL List, A lot of water has gone under my keel since I left So. CA. in 2004, and the great CAL group there. However, I show up at various events such as Cap't Demo's (Timm Lessley's) start at the TransPac in Long Beach a couple months ago. And will be onboard Kurt Ford's ALCONE for the CAL reunion at Howland's Landing Oct 5,6,& 7th. Catalina Island (SO CA). I'm looking forward to renewing some wonderful friendships there! I have been looking for another boat, having sold my CAL 31 in 2004. I went to San Diego and inspected the 2-46 that you are interested in. I was anticipating being very hopeful of getting back into a CAL, and was willing to overlook many things that I could with time and $$$ put back into original condition. ALAS, that was not to be. The boat has been modified considerably and basically poorly maintained to the point I felt it was not worth the time and money. Mechanically it may be fine, but esthetically, I just did not have the enthusiasm to make an offer. Hope this helps, Per Curtiss Boatless in Seattle Bill <w.… [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote: I have a half hearted interest in acquiring a '73 2-46. I found one, but don't know what to look for. Am I insane? Is this a money pit? Help! Here is the ad: Cal 246 Ketch. 1973 Classic world cruiser, full teak decks and cabin, fiberglass hull,center cockpit, newly rebuilt Perkins 85 hp diesel engine, beautiful interior, sleeps 6-8, two toilets, bath and shower, full galley, gas generator, TVs and DVD, comes with two dinghys and extras. 2002 survey assessed valued at $115,000. --------------------------------- Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell.

Per! Excellent to hear from you! dEmO & Victoria... In Calgary Alberta Canada on ASSignment. From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Per Curtiss Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 11:05 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL 246 ketch 1973 Bill, and all my other OLD friends from the defunct CAL List, A lot of water has gone under my keel since I left So. CA. in 2004, and the great CAL group there. However, I show up at various events such as Cap't Demo's (Timm Lessley's) start at the TransPac in Long Beach a couple months ago. And will be onboard Kurt Ford's ALCONE for the CAL reunion at Howland's Landing Oct 5,6,& 7th. Catalina Island (SO CA). I'm looking forward to renewing some wonderful friendships there! I have been looking for another boat, having sold my CAL 31 in 2004. I went to San Diego and inspected the 2-46 that you are interested in. I was anticipating being very hopeful of getting back into a CAL, and was willing to overlook many things that I could with time and $$$ put back into original condition. ALAS, that was not to be. The boat has been modified considerably and basically poorly maintained to the point I felt it was not worth the time and money. Mechanically it may be fine, but esthetically, I just did not have the enthusiasm to make an offer. Hope this helps, Per Curtiss Boatless in Seattle Bill <w.… [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote: I have a half hearted interest in acquiring a '73 2-46. I found one, but don't know what to look for. Am I insane? Is this a money pit? Help! Here is the ad: Cal 246 Ketch. 1973 Classic world cruiser, full teak decks and cabin, fiberglass hull,center cockpit, newly rebuilt Perkins 85 hp diesel engine, beautiful interior, sleeps 6-8, two toilets, bath and shower, full galley, gas generator, TVs and DVD, comes with two dinghys and extras. 2002 survey assessed valued at $115,000. Pinpoint customers <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48250/*http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/ sponsoredsearch_v9.php?o=US2226&cmp=Yahoo&ctv=AprNI&s=Y&s2=EM&b=50> who are looking for what you sell.

WOW! Just what I was looking for. The list comes through yet once again. The fact that you had been aboard and kind enough to share your info is extremely helpful. Thanks! Thanks!

"Think I'll go out to Alberta.... weather's good there in the Fall..." Hi, Per. Good to hear from you. We are far removed from the Arizona CAL Club. As the list discussed earlier, no matter what one pays for a CAL 40, it is a $100,000+ boat. Pay me now or pay me later. I would think the 46 would be a $150,000+ boat regardless of starting price. Other opinions on that number? Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ti… [at] ch2m.com Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 8:57 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] CAL 246 ketch 1973 Per! Excellent to hear from you! dEmO & Victoria... In Calgary Alberta Canada on ASSignment. From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Per Curtiss Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 11:05 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL 246 ketch 1973 Bill, and all my other OLD friends from the defunct CAL List, A lot of water has gone under my keel since I left So. CA. in 2004, and the great CAL group there. However, I show up at various events such as Cap't Demo's (Timm Lessley's) start at the TransPac in Long Beach a couple months ago. And will be onboard Kurt Ford's ALCONE for the CAL reunion at Howland's Landing Oct 5,6,& 7th. Catalina Island (SO CA). I'm looking forward to renewing some wonderful friendships there! I have been looking for another boat, having sold my CAL 31 in 2004. I went to San Diego and inspected the 2-46 that you are interested in. I was anticipating being very hopeful of getting back into a CAL, and was willing to overlook many things that I could with time and $$$ put back into original condition. ALAS, that was not to be. The boat has been modified considerably and basically poorly maintained to the point I felt it was not worth the time and money. Mechanically it may be fine, but esthetically, I just did not have the enthusiasm to make an offer. Hope this helps, Per Curtiss Boatless in Seattle Bill <w.… [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote: I have a half hearted interest in acquiring a '73 2-46. I found one, but don't know what to look for. Am I insane? Is this a money pit? Help! Here is the ad: Cal 246 Ketch. 1973 Classic world cruiser, full teak decks and cabin, fiberglass hull,center cockpit, newly rebuilt Perkins 85 hp diesel engine, beautiful interior, sleeps 6-8, two toilets, bath and shower, full galley, gas generator, TVs and DVD, comes with two dinghys and extras. 2002 survey assessed valued at $115,000. Pinpoint customers <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48250/*http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/ sponsoredsearch_v9.php?o=US2226&cmp=Yahoo&ctv=AprNI&s=Y&s2=EM&b=50> who are looking for what you sell.

--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Husar, Charlie" <husar_charlie@...> wrote: > > "Think I'll go out to Alberta.... weather's good there in the Fall..." > > Hi, Per. Good to hear from you. We are far removed from the Arizona > CAL Club. > > As the list discussed earlier, no matter what one pays for a CAL 40, it > is a $100,000+ boat. Pay me now or pay me later. I would think the 46 > would be a $150,000+ boat regardless of starting price. Other opinions > on that number? Charlie, can I have the excess over $100k refunded ? Where do I apply ? Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > Cheers > Charlie > > ________________________________ > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of timmothy.lessley@... > Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 8:57 PM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] CAL 246 ketch 1973 > > > Per! > > Excellent to hear from you! > > dEmO & Victoria... > In Calgary Alberta Canada on ASSignment. > > ________________________________ > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Per Curtiss > Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 11:05 AM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL 246 ketch 1973 > > > > Bill, and all my other OLD friends from the defunct CAL List, > > A lot of water has gone under my keel since I left So. CA. in 2004, and > the great CAL group there. However, I show up at various events such as > Cap't Demo's (Timm Lessley's) start at the TransPac in Long Beach a > couple months ago. And will be onboard Kurt Ford's ALCONE for the CAL > reunion at Howland's Landing Oct 5,6,& 7th. Catalina Island (SO CA). I'm > looking forward to renewing some wonderful friendships there! > > I have been looking for another boat, having sold my CAL 31 in 2004. I > went to San Diego and inspected the 2-46 that you are interested in. I > was anticipating being very hopeful of getting back into a CAL, and was > willing to overlook many things that I could with time and $$$ put back > into original condition. ALAS, that was not to be. The boat has been > modified considerably and basically poorly maintained to the point I > felt it was not worth the time and money. Mechanically it may be fine, > but esthetically, I just did not have the enthusiasm to make an offer. > > Hope this helps, > > Per Curtiss > Boatless in Seattle > > Bill <w.posner@...> wrote: > > I have a half hearted interest in acquiring a '73 2-46. I found > one, > but don't know what to look for. Am I insane? Is this a money > pit? Help! > > Here is the ad: Cal 246 Ketch. 1973 Classic world cruiser, full > teak > decks and cabin, fiberglass hull,center cockpit, newly rebuilt > Perkins > 85 hp diesel engine, beautiful interior, sleeps 6-8, two > toilets, bath > and shower, full galley, gas generator, TVs and DVD, comes with > two > dinghys and extras. 2002 survey assessed valued at $115,000. > > > > > ________________________________ > > Pinpoint customers > <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48250/*http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/ > sponsoredsearch_v9.php?o=US2226&cmp=Yahoo&ctv=AprNI&s=Y&s2=EM&b=50> who > are looking for what you sell. >

Re: prices...they range from $175K down to 69K for the one I was looking at. Average is about $120K Bill

Pete: So......if I buy it for 65,000, how much do I have to put into her?? Bill in San Diego ****************************************************************** I have been looking for another boat, having sold my CAL 31 in 2004. I went to San Diego and inspected the 2-46 that you are interested in. I was anticipating being very hopeful of getting back into a CAL, and was willing to overlook many things that I could with time and $$$ put back into original condition. ALAS, that was not to be. The boat has been modified considerably and basically poorly maintained to the point I felt it was not worth the time and money. Mechanically it may be fine, but esthetically, I just did not have the enthusiasm to make an offer. Hope this helps, Per Curtiss Boatless in Seattle

24 MGD's ? From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 7:38 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL 246 ketch 1973 Pete: So......if I buy it for 65,000, how much do I have to put into her?? Bill in San Diego ****************************************************************** I have been looking for another boat, having sold my CAL 31 in 2004. I went to San Diego and inspected the 2-46 that you are interested in. I was anticipating being very hopeful of getting back into a CAL, and was willing to overlook many things that I could with time and $$$ put back into original condition. ALAS, that was not to be. The boat has been modified considerably and basically poorly maintained to the point I felt it was not worth the time and money. Mechanically it may be fine, but esthetically, I just did not have the enthusiasm to make an offer. Hope this helps, Per Curtiss Boatless in Seattle

Using my previous reference (which Mike Kennedy knows to be low), on top of the purchase you'll be going in about $85K + 24 MGDs. Some of the $$ can be traded for your own labor (not a small cost for yard work), but if you do a lot of it yourself, the MGD cost will go waaayyy up. Obviously all depends on how nice a boat you want, and whether there are unnoticed structural problems. Cheers, I Think Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ti… [at] ch2m.com Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 9:40 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL 246 ketch 1973 24 MGD's ? From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 7:38 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL 246 ketch 1973 Pete: So......if I buy it for 65,000, how much do I have to put into her?? Bill in San Diego ****************************************************************** I have been looking for another boat, having sold my CAL 31 in 2004. I went to San Diego and inspected the 2-46 that you are interested in. I was anticipating being very hopeful of getting back into a CAL, and was willing to overlook many things that I could with time and $$$ put back into original condition. ALAS, that was not to be. The boat has been modified considerably and basically poorly maintained to the point I felt it was not worth the time and money. Mechanically it may be fine, but esthetically, I just did not have the enthusiasm to make an offer. Hope this helps, Per Curtiss Boatless in Seattle

--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Husar, Charlie" <husar_charlie@...> wrote: > > Using my previous reference (which Mike Kennedy knows to be low), on top > of the purchase you'll be going in about $85K + 24 MGDs. Some of the $$ > can be traded for your own labor (not a small cost for yard work), but > if you do a lot of it yourself, the MGD cost will go waaayyy up. > > Obviously all depends on how nice a boat you want, and whether there are > unnoticed structural problems. If you are getting into a project boat like that, I would strongly suggest doing it like Dancing Bear's owner did. He put the boat in a barn for a couple of years and redid everything. Not everybody can afford to do that but it is cheaper than having the boat sit in a yard (an expensive yard) for seven months. We did as much as we could but, if I were doing it again, I could probably save $40k or more. Of course, I would never do it again. I replaced every system in the boat and did most of that, except the engine, myself. The price is pretty good if the hull and deck (especially the deck) is sound. Big job, though. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > Cheers, I Think > Charlie > > > ________________________________ > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of timmothy.lessley@... > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 9:40 PM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL 246 ketch 1973 > > > 24 MGD's ? > > ________________________________ > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Bill > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 7:38 PM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL 246 ketch 1973 > > > > Pete: > > So......if I buy it for 65,000, how much do I have to put into her?? > Bill in San Diego