7 messages2007-09-11 06:00 UTCthrough 2007-09-12 03:42 UTC
Crew Overboard
Randy Alcorn2007-09-11 06:00 UTC
Hi Gang,
It has been almost a year since my overboard ordeal. I have been asked to prepare a lessons learned presentztion on what happened and present it to the local clubs in the area.
I am asking a favor;
someone sent me a story, out of San Francisco; it was a story about a father and son, they where sailing a trip out of San Fransisco, North, and the son was washed overboard and unable to be recovered and he passed away. It still haunts me till this day.
I wish to use this, as part of recovering a victom, does anyone know were I got it from and could they please send it to me again. It drives a very strong point on recoveries and I would like to use it before we go into details on recoveries.
Randy
CAL 2-29
Out patient
Channel Islands CA
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Re: [Cal_Boats] Crew Overboard
Kirk Grier2007-09-11 06:29 UTC
Randy,
I remember too. I think the story may be the one in this blog. Looks
like story ran in The Oregonian, Thursday, June 8, 2006. - Kirk
http://surfinoregon.blogspot.com/2006/07/hero.html
Randy Alcorn wrote:
>
>
> Hi Gang,
>
> It has been almost a year since my overboard ordeal. I have been asked
> to prepare a lessons learned presentztion on what happened and present
> it to the local clubs in the area.
>
> I am asking a favor;
>
> someone sent me a story, out of San Francisco; it was a story about a
> father and son, they where sailing a trip out of San Fransisco, North,
> and the son was washed overboard and unable to be recovered and he
> passed away. It still haunts me till this day.
>
> I wish to use this, as part of recovering a victom, does anyone know
> were I got it from and could they please send it to me again. It drives
> a very strong point on recoveries and I would like to use it before we
> go into details on recoveries.
>
> Randy
> CAL 2-29
> Out patient
> Channel Islands CA
>
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Re: [Cal_Boats] Crew Overboard(Randy)
Gerald Sobel2007-09-11 09:29 UTC
Randy,
I also recall the story about two teenagers and a father (?) sailing a Newport 30 up the coast from Southern California, that got caught in the shallows and swells off the beach south of Seal Rock in San Francisco. The only fatality was the teenager who was tethered to the boat, he couldn't get free when the boat was flipped over by a big wave and turned turtle. The other two were washed overboard and made it safely to shore. I think this was two years ago.
I didn't hear of your ordeal, what happened to yea?
I wonder why the Cal 29 in this case couldn't turn around and sail back to the MOB? Unless there wasn't any wind, that's the first thing I'd do, before I even thought of starting the engine. Of course, I'm playing armchair detective.
Sometimes people can succumb to hypothermia in a matter of minutes, but usually older victims. We had two fatalities here in Marina del Rey, two separate years, but they may have been heart attack related, I don't know. In the second case one crewman dove overboard to keep the victim above water, and the victim was soon retrieved. It was an April Wednesday evening race sailed in rough conditions. Very tragic.
Jerry
Randy Alcorn <sa… [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi Gang,
It has been almost a year since my overboard ordeal. I have been asked to prepare a lessons learned presentztion on what happened and present it to the local clubs in the area.
I am asking a favor;
someone sent me a story, out of San Francisco; it was a story about a father and son, they where sailing a trip out of San Fransisco, North, and the son was washed overboard and unable to be recovered and he passed away. It still haunts me till this day.
I wish to use this, as part of recovering a victom, does anyone know were I got it from and could they please send it to me again. It drives a very strong point on recoveries and I would like to use it before we go into details on recoveries.
Randy
CAL 2-29
Out patient
Channel Islands CA
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Re: [Cal_Boats] Crew Overboard(Randy)
sa… [at] aol.com2007-09-11 11:15 UTC
try searching Latitude 38, if you have copies , or write Lectronic latitude for help. They did extensive coverage of the story I think. I remember the father writing a letter to them explaining.
Shelley Richards
Seven Sisters
Cal 29 #154
Alameda CA
From: Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com>
To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 5:29 am
Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Crew Overboard(Randy)
Randy,
I also recall the story about two teenagers and a father (?) sailing a Newport 30 up the coast from Southern California, that got caught in the shallows and swells off the beach south of Seal Rock in San Francisco. The only fatality was the teenager who was tethered to the boat, he couldn't get free when the boat was flipped over by a big wave and turned turtle. The other two were washed overboard and made it safely to shore. I think this was two years ago.
I didn't hear of your ordeal, what happened to yea?
?I wonder why the Cal 29 in this case couldn't turn around and sail back to the MOB? Unless there wasn't any wind, that's the first thing I'd do, before I even thought of starting the engine. Of course, I'm playing armchair detective.
Sometimes people can succumb to hypothermia in a matter of minutes, but usually older victims. We had two fatalities here in Marina del Rey, two separate years, but they may have been heart attack related, I don't know. In the second case one crewman dove overboard to keep the victim above water, and the victim was soon retrieved. It was an April Wednesday evening race sailed in rough conditions. Very tragic.
Jerry
Randy Alcorn <sa… [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi Gang,
?
It has been almost a year since my overboard ordeal. I have been asked to prepare a lessons learned presentztion on what happened and present it to the local?clubs in the area.
?
I am asking a favor;
?
someone sent me a story, out of San Francisco;?it was a story about?a father and son, they where sailing a trip out of San Fransisco, North, ?and the son was washed overboard and unable to be recovered and he passed away. It still haunts me till this day.
?
I wish to use this, as part of recovering a victom, does anyone know were I got it from and could they please send it to me again. It drives a very strong point on recoveries and I would like to use it before we go into details on recoveries.
?
Randy
CAL 2-29
Out patient
Channel Islands CA
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Re: Crew Overboard
mtkennedy12007-09-11 13:37
--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Randy Alcorn <saylorran@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Gang,
>
> It has been almost a year since my overboard ordeal. I have been asked to prepare a
lessons learned presentztion on what happened and present it to the local clubs in the
area.
>
> I am asking a favor;
>
> someone sent me a story, out of San Francisco; it was a story about a father and son,
they where sailing a trip out of San Fransisco, North, and the son was washed overboard
and unable to be recovered and he passed away. It still haunts me till this day.
>
> I wish to use this, as part of recovering a victom, does anyone know were I got it from
and could they please send it to me again. It drives a very strong point on recoveries and I
would like to use it before we go into details on recoveries.
Latitude 38 had the story last year. It occurred in the Bay Area.
Mike Kennedy
Conquest Cal 40 # 96
>
> Randy
> CAL 2-29
> Out patient
> Channel Islands CA
>
>
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Re: Crew Overboard(Randy)
Susan Ingram2007-09-11 20:30
Randy, here is the letter.
Susan Ingram
---------------------------------------------------------------------
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A FATHER REFLECTS ON AN UNSPEAKABLE SAILING TRAGEDY
My 18-year-old son Andy Brinkley, who had sailed most of his life,
was swept overboard and lost in very rough conditions at 7:45 a.m.
on June 6 about 30 miles west of Pt. Reyes.
A short time before the tragedy, I'd bought the Cal 29 Fat Chance in
the Bay Area, and was taking her north to her new homeport in
Portland, Oregon. The crew consisted of my longtime sailing buddy
Paddy Tillett, my son Andy, Paddy's son Marcus, and my son's friend
Max Hamlin. All the boys were 18 and had just graduated from high
school earlier in the week. The sailing trip north was their
graduation present.
Andy, who had been on watch, came below to use the head. When he was
about to go on deck again, I suggested that he use my offshore foul
weather jacket. One of his buddies had suffered a touch of
seasickness, so my son's last words to me were, "Does it smell like
vomit?" It didn't, so he put it on.
Ten seconds after Andy went back into the cockpit, but before he had
time to clip on, a 20-ft wall of green water hit the boat. Much of
the water cascaded down the companionway. The next thing I heard
was, "Man overboard!"
I ran topside to find that Paddy had been swept off the boat. I saw
a hand clinging to the starboard side of the boat, and looked over
the side to see my buddy Paddy. His face was bloodied, and he was
struggling to maintain a one-handed grip on the boat. He later told
me that the D-ring on his lifeline had failed, and he was just about
to lose his grip when I pulled him back aboard.
As I was helping Paddy get back on the boat, I realized that my son
had also been washed over. I yelled for the other two boys to come
on deck, then spotted my son 10 boat-lengths astern. I turned the
boat around, then let her drift down to him until he was just three
feet from my outstretched hands. I will never forget the look on my
son's face. He was unconscious and his eyes were rolled back.
Unfortunately, I hadn't thought ahead, and had nothing ready with
which to try and reach him. My foul weather coat was keeping Andy's
upper body well out of the water but, God help me, I couldn't jump
in and grab him. The boat's engine wasn't working, so I couldn't use
it to try to get any closer.
Passing the tiller to one of Andy's friends, I told the other boy
not to take his eyes off my son, and scrambled below to get a boat
hook and some line. But when I got back to the cockpit seconds
later, my son had disappeared, having been swept away from the boat
by a big wave. I would never see him alive again.
We set off the EPIRB and threw in the man overboard pole. We also
tried to contact the Coast Guard, but had problems with the radio.
About an hour later we could hear Andy blowing on his safety
whistle, but we were never able to find him.
The Coast Guard responded with a C-130, an 87-ft cutter, two 47-ft
patrol boats, and two helicopters. They spotted our boat about 9
a.m., but didn't locate and recover Andy's body for another 3.5
hours. By that time he was three miles northwest of our boat.
I lost my boy. He was good swimmer and I'm convinced he passed away
from hypothermia rather than drowning.
I'm writing about this tragic experience to remind all sailors to be
careful. A freak wave hit Fat Chance and washed two of our crew
over. It wasn't as though we were unprepared. We had three
experienced sailors aboard, three radios, two GPS units, and tons of
safety gear. We thought we were ready, but we were wrong. I'm urging
everyone to please review their man overboard procedures -
especially the procedures for cases where the victim is unconscious.
Things might have turned out differently had Andy been conscious.
God help me, my life will never be the same without my son. As I
write this, it's been 26 days since I lost Andy. It's the longest
time I've ever been without my little buddy. I'm a very distraught
father and a much sadder sailor.
Ken Brinkley
Portland, Oregon
Ken - On behalf of all our readers, thank you for taking the time
during your grief to share your experience. Hopefully it will save
the lives of others. We can't imagine the torment you're
experiencing, and hope that someday you'll be able to find some
peace.
© 2006 Latitude 38 Publishing Co., Inc.
--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, sar0207@... wrote:
>
>
> try searching Latitude 38, if you have copies , or write Lectronic
latitude for help. They did extensive coverage of the story I think.
I remember the father writing a letter to them explaining.
>
>
>
> Shelley Richards
>
> Seven Sisters
>
> Cal 29 #154
>
> Alameda CA
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gerald Sobel <sobel_solar@...>
> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 5:29 am
> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Crew Overboard(Randy)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Randy,
> I also recall the story about two teenagers and a father (?)
sailing a Newport 30 up the coast from Southern California, that got
caught in the shallows and swells off the beach south of Seal Rock
in San Francisco. The only fatality was the teenager who was
tethered to the boat, he couldn't get free when the boat was flipped
over by a big wave and turned turtle. The other two were washed
overboard and made it safely to shore. I think this was two years
ago.
>
> I didn't hear of your ordeal, what happened to yea?
>
> ?I wonder why the Cal 29 in this case couldn't turn around and
sail back to the MOB? Unless there wasn't any wind, that's the first
thing I'd do, before I even thought of starting the engine. Of
course, I'm playing armchair detective.
> Sometimes people can succumb to hypothermia in a matter of
minutes, but usually older victims. We had two fatalities here in
Marina del Rey, two separate years, but they may have been heart
attack related, I don't know. In the second case one crewman dove
overboard to keep the victim above water, and the victim was soon
retrieved. It was an April Wednesday evening race sailed in rough
conditions. Very tragic.
> Jerry
>
> Randy Alcorn <saylorran@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Gang,
>
> ?
>
> It has been almost a year since my overboard ordeal. I have been
asked to prepare a lessons learned presentztion on what happened and
present it to the local?clubs in the area.
>
> ?
>
> I am asking a favor;
>
> ?
>
> someone sent me a story, out of San Francisco;?it was a story
about?a father and son, they where sailing a trip out of San
Fransisco, North, ?and the son was washed overboard and unable to be
recovered and he passed away. It still haunts me till this day.
>
> ?
>
> I wish to use this, as part of recovering a victom, does anyone
know were I got it from and could they please send it to me again.
It drives a very strong point on recoveries and I would like to use
it before we go into details on recoveries.
>
> ?
>
> Randy
>
> CAL 2-29
>
> Out patient
>
> Channel Islands CA
>
>
> Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from
someone who knows.
> Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL
Mail! - http://mail.aol.com
>
Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Crew Overboard presentation(Susan)
Randy Alcorn2007-09-12 03:42 UTC
I hope I can read this out loud, the tears...
I could just read this letter and nothing I can say in my presentation can even come close.
Thank you Susan
Randy
Susan Ingram <su… [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
Randy, here is the letter.
Susan Ingram
----------------------------------------------------------
-----------
A FATHER REFLECTS ON AN UNSPEAKABLE SAILING TRAGEDY
My 18-year-old son Andy Brinkley, who had sailed most of his life,
was swept overboard and lost in very rough conditions at 7:45 a.m.
on June 6 about 30 miles west of Pt. Reyes.
A short time before the tragedy, I'd bought the Cal 29 Fat Chance in
the Bay Area, and was taking her north to her new homeport in
Portland, Oregon. The crew consisted of my longtime sailing buddy
Paddy Tillett, my son Andy, Paddy's son Marcus, and my son's friend
Max Hamlin. All the boys were 18 and had just graduated from high
school earlier in the week. The sailing trip north was their
graduation present.
Andy, who had been on watch, came below to use the head. When he was
about to go on deck again, I suggested that he use my offshore foul
weather jacket. One of his buddies had suffered a touch of
seasickness, so my son's last words to me were, "Does it smell like
vomit?" It didn't, so he put it on.
Ten seconds after Andy went back into the cockpit, but before he had
time to clip on, a 20-ft wall of green water hit the boat. Much of
the water cascaded down the companionway. The next thing I heard
was, "Man overboard!"
I ran topside to find that Paddy had been swept off the boat. I saw
a hand clinging to the starboard side of the boat, and looked over
the side to see my buddy Paddy. His face was bloodied, and he was
struggling to maintain a one-handed grip on the boat. He later told
me that the D-ring on his lifeline had failed, and he was just about
to lose his grip when I pulled him back aboard.
As I was helping Paddy get back on the boat, I realized that my son
had also been washed over. I yelled for the other two boys to come
on deck, then spotted my son 10 boat-lengths astern. I turned the
boat around, then let her drift down to him until he was just three
feet from my outstretched hands. I will never forget the look on my
son's face. He was unconscious and his eyes were rolled back.
Unfortunately, I hadn't thought ahead, and had nothing ready with
which to try and reach him. My foul weather coat was keeping Andy's
upper body well out of the water but, God help me, I couldn't jump
in and grab him. The boat's engine wasn't working, so I couldn't use
it to try to get any closer.
Passing the tiller to one of Andy's friends, I told the other boy
not to take his eyes off my son, and scrambled below to get a boat
hook and some line. But when I got back to the cockpit seconds
later, my son had disappeared, having been swept away from the boat
by a big wave. I would never see him alive again.
We set off the EPIRB and threw in the man overboard pole. We also
tried to contact the Coast Guard, but had problems with the radio.
About an hour later we could hear Andy blowing on his safety
whistle, but we were never able to find him.
The Coast Guard responded with a C-130, an 87-ft cutter, two 47-ft
patrol boats, and two helicopters. They spotted our boat about 9
a.m., but didn't locate and recover Andy's body for another 3.5
hours. By that time he was three miles northwest of our boat.
I lost my boy. He was good swimmer and I'm convinced he passed away
from hypothermia rather than drowning.
I'm writing about this tragic experience to remind all sailors to be
careful. A freak wave hit Fat Chance and washed two of our crew
over. It wasn't as though we were unprepared. We had three
experienced sailors aboard, three radios, two GPS units, and tons of
safety gear. We thought we were ready, but we were wrong. I'm urging
everyone to please review their man overboard procedures -
especially the procedures for cases where the victim is unconscious.
Things might have turned out differently had Andy been conscious.
God help me, my life will never be the same without my son. As I
write this, it's been 26 days since I lost Andy. It's the longest
time I've ever been without my little buddy. I'm a very distraught
father and a much sadder sailor.
Ken Brinkley
Portland, Oregon
Ken - On behalf of all our readers, thank you for taking the time
during your grief to share your experience. Hopefully it will save
the lives of others. We can't imagine the torment you're
experiencing, and hope that someday you'll be able to find some
peace.
© 2006 Latitude 38 Publishing Co., Inc.
--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, sar0207@... wrote:
>
>
> try searching Latitude 38, if you have copies , or write Lectronic
latitude for help. They did extensive coverage of the story I think.
I remember the father writing a letter to them explaining.
>
>
>
> Shelley Richards
>
> Seven Sisters
>
> Cal 29 #154
>
> Alameda CA
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gerald Sobel <sobel_solar@...>
> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 5:29 am
> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Crew Overboard(Randy)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Randy,
> I also recall the story about two teenagers and a father (?)
sailing a Newport 30 up the coast from Southern California, that got
caught in the shallows and swells off the beach south of Seal Rock
in San Francisco. The only fatality was the teenager who was
tethered to the boat, he couldn't get free when the boat was flipped
over by a big wave and turned turtle. The other two were washed
overboard and made it safely to shore. I think this was two years
ago.
>
> I didn't hear of your ordeal, what happened to yea?
>
> ?I wonder why the Cal 29 in this case couldn't turn around and
sail back to the MOB? Unless there wasn't any wind, that's the first
thing I'd do, before I even thought of starting the engine. Of
course, I'm playing armchair detective.
> Sometimes people can succumb to hypothermia in a matter of
minutes, but usually older victims. We had two fatalities here in
Marina del Rey, two separate years, but they may have been heart
attack related, I don't know. In the second case one crewman dove
overboard to keep the victim above water, and the victim was soon
retrieved. It was an April Wednesday evening race sailed in rough
conditions. Very tragic.
> Jerry
>
> Randy Alcorn <saylorran@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Gang,
>
> ?
>
> It has been almost a year since my overboard ordeal. I have been
asked to prepare a lessons learned presentztion on what happened and
present it to the local?clubs in the area.
>
> ?
>
> I am asking a favor;
>
> ?
>
> someone sent me a story, out of San Francisco;?it was a story
about?a father and son, they where sailing a trip out of San
Fransisco, North, ?and the son was washed overboard and unable to be
recovered and he passed away. It still haunts me till this day.
>
> ?
>
> I wish to use this, as part of recovering a victom, does anyone
know were I got it from and could they please send it to me again.
It drives a very strong point on recoveries and I would like to use
it before we go into details on recoveries.
>
> ?
>
> Randy
>
> CAL 2-29
>
> Out patient
>
> Channel Islands CA
>
>
> Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from
someone who knows.
> Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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