Re: [Cal_Boats] charging system

Your Balmar should be putting out a pretty fair number of amps even at fairly low rpm...I would look at several things; 1-how heavy is the cable from the alternator output to the batteries. 2-Are all connections tight, including the alternator to battery negatives. 3-Is the external regulator wired properly and functioning. 4-Are the batteries in good condition, can they take and hold a charge. Since you have the Link, you can determine a lot about how the system is operating. I would get rid of the existing amp meter, and if it is located away from the Link, like on the engine panel, replace it with a volt meter. If the original alternator was wired through one of those 50 or 60 amp there probably was not a shunt, and the length of the wire, usually undersized at 10 gauge, going from the alternator to the engine panel and then to the batteries was often long enough, with enough poor connections to cause serious voltage drop. Hope this is helpful... All the best- Mark and Terry Rogers "Seirenia", 1966 Cal 36 hull #22 Newburyport, Ma Mobile Marine Electrical Services/MMES Custom Panels www.wewireboats.com ya… [at] aol.com ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

Chris-When I said if it is a 50 or 60 amp meter, like those usually found on older engine panels, there is no EXTERNAL shunt...the wires just connect directly to the meter, which has an internal one. I should have been a bit clearer, I guess. (G) And you are correct, the shunt needs to be matched to the meter, for example, a 50 amp meter that reads 1 amp per millivolt needs a shunt rated at 50 millivolts/50 amps. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

Hello Mark, I am planning some rewiring. I traced my alternator output from alternator to starter (it looks like 10 guage wire). Then it appears charging is done via battery cables. Using a multi meter (volts) I determined that battery 1 only charged when main switch was on 1, battery 2 charged when switch was on 2 and both charged when switched to both. My determination made as volt meter (held on each batttery) went from 12.5 to 14 when switched to that battery. My questions (I'm not that good with electrics): Am I correct in determing when each battery is charged? Is this set up normal? I think I want to employ isolators. Currently have 12 v starting battery, two 6v 220a golf cart type (house) and two 12v dedicated to windlass. This was the set up P/O had except for the two 6v... I replaced a dead 12v with them. I have a Westerbeke 27 with 50 amp (I think) charger. Mike Robinson Holiday Cal 36 hull #4 Pt Richmond, CA To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.comFrom: ya… [at] aol.comDate: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 07:55:15 -0400Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] charging system Your Balmar should be putting out a pretty fair number of amps even at fairly low rpm...I would look at several things; 1-how heavy is the cable from the alternator output to the batteries. 2-Are all connections tight, including the alternator to battery negatives. 3-Is the external regulator wired properly and functioning. 4-Are the batteries in good condition, can they take and hold a charge. Since you have the Link, you can determine a lot about how the system is operating. I would get rid of the existing amp meter, and if it is located away from the Link, like on the engine panel, replace it with a volt meter. If the original alternator was wired through one of those 50 or 60 amp there probably was not a shunt, and the length of the wire, usually undersized at 10 gauge, going from the alternator to the engine panel and then to the batteries was often long enough, with enough poor connections to cause serious voltage drop. Hope this is helpful... All the best- Mark and Terry Rogers"Seirenia", 1966 Cal 36 hull #22Newburyport, MaMobile Marine Electrical Services/MMES Custom Pa… [at] aol.com See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. More photos; more messages; more whatever – Get MORE with Windows Live™ Hotmail®. NOW with 5GB storage. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_5G_0907

Mike, Depending on your use, I'd strongly recommend the West Marine Combiner, available directly from the manufacturer http://www.yandina.com/c100Info.htm at a better price. The unit automatically makes sure all batteries are charged. and keeps them disconnected during discharging I'd also have you consider at least a link 200 two battery monitor, so you can see what is going on with your charging.

Thanks dEmo. I'm slow but I will work on your ideas. Saw your folks at "Caltopia" had your dad aboard Holiday for a visit. Caltopia was a blast! http://s155.photobucket.com/albums/s307/msr_cal36/2007%20Caltopia/ Mike To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.comFrom: ti… [at] ch2m.comDate: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 10:40:49 -0600Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] charging system (Mike) Mike, Depending on your use, I'd strongly recommend the West Marine Combiner, available directly from the manufacturer http://www.yandina.com/c100Info.htm at a better price. The unit automatically makes sure all batteries are charged. and keeps them disconnected during discharging I'd also have you consider at least a link 200 two battery monitor, so you can see what is going on with your charging.

wow HOLIDAY IS LOOKING GOOD! From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Robinson Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 11:54 AM To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] charging system (Mike) Thanks dEmo. I'm slow but I will work on your ideas. Saw your folks at "Caltopia" had your dad aboard Holiday for a visit. Caltopia was a blast! http://s155.photobucket.com/albums/s307/msr_cal36/2007%20Caltopia/ <http://s155.photobucket.com/albums/s307/msr_cal36/2007%20Caltopia/> Mike To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: ti… [at] ch2m.com Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 10:40:49 -0600 Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] charging system (Mike) Mike, Depending on your use, I'd strongly recommend the West Marine Combiner, available directly from the manufacturer http://www.yandina.com/c100Info.htm <http://www.yandina.com/c100Info.htm> at a better price. The unit automatically makes sure all batteries are charged. and keeps them disconnected during discharging I'd also have you consider at least a link 200 two battery monitor, so you can see what is going on with your charging. From my experience batteries at 12.8 volts are fully charged. I like to see (with lead acid) 14.4-14.6v during bulk charging, and then lowering during acceptance, and float this is very easy to see with the link 200. dEmO From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Robinson Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 10:19 AM To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] charging system (Mark) Hello Mark, I am planning some rewiring. I traced my alternator output from alternator to starter (it looks like 10 guage wire). Then it appears charging is done via battery cables. Using a multi meter (volts) I determined that battery 1 only charged when main switch was on 1, battery 2 charged when switch was on 2 and both charged when switched to both. My determination made as volt meter (held on each batttery) went from 12.5 to 14 when switched to that battery. My questions (I'm not that good with electrics): 1. Am I correct in determing when each battery is charged? 2. Is this set up normal? I think I want to employ isolators. 3. Currently have 12 v starting battery, two 6v 220a golf cart type (house) and two 12v dedicated to windlass. This was the set up P/O had except for the two 6v... I replaced a dead 12v with them. I have a Westerbeke 27 with 50 amp (I think) charger. Mike Robinson Holiday Cal 36 hull #4 Pt Richmond, CA To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: ya… [at] aol.com Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 07:55:15 -0400 Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] charging system Your Balmar should be putting out a pretty fair number of amps even at fairly low rpm...I would look at several things; 1-how heavy is the cable from the alternator output to the batteries. 2-Are all connections tight, including the alternator to battery negatives. 3-Is the external regulator wired properly and functioning. 4-Are the batteries in good condition, can they take and hold a charge. Since you have the Link, you can determine a lot about how the system is operating. I would get rid of the existing amp meter, and if it is located away from the Link, like on the engine panel, replace it with a volt meter. If the original alternator was wired through one of those 50 or 60 amp there probably was not a shunt, and the length of the wire, usually undersized at 10 gauge, going from the alternator to the engine panel and then to the batteries was often long enough, with enough poor connections to cause serious voltage drop. Hope this is helpful... All the best- Mark and Terry Rogers "Seirenia", 1966 Cal 36 hull #22 Newburyport, Ma Mobile Marine Electrical Services/MMES Custom Panels www.wewireboats.com ya… [at] aol.com See what's new at AOL.com <http://www.aol.com/?NCID=AOLCMP00300000001170> and Make AOL Your Homepage <http://www.aol.com/mksplash.adp?NCID=AOLCMP00300000001169> . More photos; more messages; more whatever - Get MORE with Windows Live(tm) Hotmail(r). NOW with 5GB storage. Get more! <http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_mig ration_HM_mini_5G_0907> Make your little one a shining star! Shine on! <http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us>

Thanx! Mike To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.comFrom: ti… [at] ch2m.comDate: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 12:07:22 -0600Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] charging system (Mike) wow HOLIDAY IS LOOKING GOOD! From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael RobinsonSent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 11:54 AMTo: ca… [at] yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [Cal_Boats] charging system (Mike) Thanks dEmo. I'm slow but I will work on your ideas. Saw your folks at "Caltopia" had your dad aboard Holiday for a visit. Caltopia was a blast! http://s155.photobucket.com/albums/s307/msr_cal36/2007%20Caltopia/ Mike To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.comFrom: ti… [at] ch2m.comDate: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 10:40:49 -0600Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] charging system (Mike) Mike, Depending on your use, I'd strongly recommend the West Marine Combiner, available directly from the manufacturer http://www.yandina.com/c100Info.htm at a better price. The unit automatically makes sure all batteries are charged. and keeps them disconnected during discharging I'd also have you consider at least a link 200 two battery monitor, so you can see what is going on with your charging.

You probably need to build a generator-cycle: http://www.los-gatos.ca.us/davidbu/pedgen.html Louis Fallon Cal 20 'Casa de Perro' San Pedro, CA From: C. Peter Audet <cp… [at] sympatico.ca> To: Cal Yahoo <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 7:39:17 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] charging system Our Cal 39 has a 100 amp Balmar alternator on the Perkins 4-108 engine. I cannot find a shunt and am wondering if the absence of a shunt could be why we seem to take so long to recharge our 400 amp bank of golf-cart batteries. The full charge would then be going ("slower"?) through the ammeter. Last summer, I found that the dumb placement of the power and passive vents over the back of the engine panel had led to corrosion of many connections, especially the ammeter. The wire was actually so shot that it crumbled when I touched it. No wonder our batteries were down to 10.75 volts after we blissfully motored along with our fridge running-no charging! I have since installed the Link 2000 monitor, very helpful info. Now, I need to know if I should install a shunt (and what size) or re-route the wire to bypass the meter and use the Link as my ammeter. I know it is not "good" to run an un-loaded diesel for extended periods, but at what rpm should I run it to balance my needs at anchor for re-charging while minimizing damage to my engine? According to the Link I'm getting only ~6 amps at idle, but 30 or more at 1500 rpm. This is some serious time to bring back 60-100 amps! Can we run at 2000 rpm? What I didn't get to check was how many amps are happening while running at 2000 or 2500 rpm... Our biggest problem in power consumption seems to be the old fridge (AB Cold Machine) which only runs full out at a steady 6 amps, of course freezing everything unless we manually cycle it on and off. So, at idle, we are simply powering the fridge and not re-charging. .. Any ideas to ponder for our next trip to "Bribon"? Yes, we are thinking about solar power and wind generators, but those are topics for another time... Our Fischer-Panda 4kW generator is out of service, thanks to an undetected saltwater bath from a blown exhaust gasket. :-( Peter <!-- { padding:0px 14px;} hr{ } #hd{ color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:bold;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0px;} #ads{ margin-bottom:10px;} .ad{ } .ad a{ color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;} --> <!-- { } #hd{ font-weight:bold;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;} .ad{ margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;} --> <!-- {font-size:13px;font-family:arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;} table {font-size:inherit;font:100%;} select, input, textarea {font:99% arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;} pre, code {font:115% monospace;} * {line-height:1.22em;} { } p{ } { clear:both;} { padding-top:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-size:77%;margin:0;} a{ } { clear:both;margin:25px 0;white-space:nowrap;color:#666;text-align:right;} .left{ float:left;white-space:nowrap;} .bld{font-weight:bold;} { } { border-top:1px solid #666; } #logo{ padding-bottom:10px;} { background-color:#e0ecee;margin-bottom:20px;padding:2px 0 8px 8px;} #vithd{ font-weight:bold;color:#333;text-transform:uppercase;} ul{ } ul li{ list-style-type:none;clear:both;border:1px solid #e0ecee; } ul li .ct{ font-weight:bold;color:#ff7900;float:right;width:2em;text-align:right;padding-right:.5em;} ul li .cat{ font-weight:bold;} a{ text-decoration:none;} a:hover{ text-decoration:underline;} #hd{ color:#999;font-size:77%;} #ov{ background-color:#e0ecee;margin-bottom:20px;} #ov ul{ } #ov li{ list-style-type:square;padding:6px 0;font-size:77%;} #ov li a{ text-decoration:none;font-size:130%;} #nc{ background-color:#eee;margin-bottom:20px;padding:0 8px;} .ad{ } .ad #hd1{ font-weight:bold;color:#628c2a;font-size:100%;line-height:122%;} .ad a{ text-decoration:none;} .ad a:hover{ text-decoration:underline;} .ad p{ } o{font-size:0;} .MsoNormal{ } tt{ } blockquote{margin:0 0 0 4px;} .replbq{margin:4;} --> Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/

Lord Nougat wrote: > > Louis Fallon > Cal 20 'Casa de Perro' > San Pedro, CA How many Cal 20 sailors do we have on the list? I was reading Charlie's price quotes on the Cal 40 and 46 and I just smirked, thinking about my $900 Cal 20. Using his pricing method (boat plus necessary upgrades) mine is perhaps a $2,000 boat. Let's see...Cal 20 X 2 = Cal 40 (in feet). 2 X $2,000 = $4,000. Think I got a bargain. I know it when I go out sailing. Chris Campbell

Wow, cool - I got an amazing bargain on our Cal as well then! I bet lots of us here are cal 20 sailors; we're just quiet about it because we're so little and relatively unglamourous... then we go sailing and have the last laugh! She knows she'll be a Cal28 when she grows up. Fun thing though, on our way into port a couple weeks ago, there was a Cal 28 coming in behind us. They never caught up. From: Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 1:55:46 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] charging system Lord Nougat wrote: Louis Fallon Cal 20 'Casa de Perro' San Pedro, CA How many Cal 20 sailors do we have on the list? I was reading Charlie's price quotes on the Cal 40 and 46 and I just smirked, thinking about my $900 Cal 20. Using his pricing method (boat plus necessary upgrades) mine is perhaps a $2,000 boat. Let's see...Cal 20 X 2 = Cal 40 (in feet). 2 X $2,000 = $4,000. Think I got a bargain. I know it when I go out sailing. Chris Campbell <!-- { padding:0px 14px;} hr{ } #hd{ color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:bold;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0px;} #ads{ margin-bottom:10px;} .ad{ } .ad a{ color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;} --> <!-- { } #hd{ font-weight:bold;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;} .ad{ margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;} --> <!-- {font-size:13px;font-family:arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;} table {font-size:inherit;font:100%;} select, input, textarea {font:99% arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;} pre, code {font:115% monospace;} * {line-height:1.22em;} { } p{ } { clear:both;} { padding-top:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-size:77%;margin:0;} a{ } { clear:both;margin:25px 0;white-space:nowrap;color:#666;text-align:right;} .left{ float:left;white-space:nowrap;} .bld{font-weight:bold;} { } { border-top:1px solid #666; } #logo{ padding-bottom:10px;} { background-color:#e0ecee;margin-bottom:20px;padding:2px 0 8px 8px;} #vithd{ font-weight:bold;color:#333;text-transform:uppercase;} ul{ } ul li{ list-style-type:none;clear:both;border:1px solid #e0ecee; } ul li .ct{ font-weight:bold;color:#ff7900;float:right;width:2em;text-align:right;padding-right:.5em;} ul li .cat{ font-weight:bold;} a{ text-decoration:none;} a:hover{ text-decoration:underline;} #hd{ color:#999;font-size:77%;} #ov{ background-color:#e0ecee;margin-bottom:20px;} #ov ul{ } #ov li{ list-style-type:square;padding:6px 0;font-size:77%;} #ov li a{ text-decoration:none;font-size:130%;} #nc{ background-color:#eee;margin-bottom:20px;padding:0 8px;} .ad{ } .ad #hd1{ font-weight:bold;color:#628c2a;font-size:100%;line-height:122%;} .ad a{ text-decoration:none;} .ad a:hover{ text-decoration:underline;} .ad p{ } o{font-size:0;} .MsoNormal{ } tt{ } blockquote{margin:0 0 0 4px;} .replbq{margin:4;} --> ____________________________________________________________________________________ Check out the hottest 2008 models today at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html

Mike, Holiday was looking good in person too!! I can recommend the link monitor approach also. If you decide to use the link 2000 which will keep track of two batteries, I have quite a bit of the special twisted pair 10 conductor cable that wires the shunt board to the display terminal board. I bought 25 feet and used about two. Let me know and I can ship you a piece of the appropriate length. Here are some more ideas to ponder The Batt1 / Batt2 / Both switch prevalent in the 60's and 70's is designed to manage two equally sized battery banks. The engine starter and the house are both activated at the same time. When I researched an electrical upgrade the consensus approach (people like Nigel Calder) was to use a large house battery and a smaller engine starting battery. The three way switch no longer works for this. I wired the engine starter (and electric windlass) through the old switch to a group 24 engine start battery (position 1) and to the house (battery position 2). I also wired the house circuits through a 100A breaker, which acts as the main on/off switch to the large house bank (2 300AH 6V batteries in series). If you go this route you will need a battery combiner or a dual output alternator (which uses isolation diodes but since they are inside the regulator loop so there is no "voltage drop" penalty) Good luck, Duane Duane & Lynn Knize Marlyn, 1978 Cal 2-39, #18 Berthed: Emeryville, CA At 11:24 AM 9/11/2007, you wrote: >Thanx! > >Mike > > >---------- >To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >From: ti… [at] ch2m.com >Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 12:07:22 -0600 >Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] charging system (Mike) > >wow HOLIDAY IS LOOKING GOOD! > > >---------- >From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >[mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Robinson >Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 11:54 AM >To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] charging system (Mike) > >Thanks dEmo. I'm slow but I will work on your >ideas. Saw your folks at "Caltopia" had your dad >aboard Holiday for a visit. Caltopia was a blast! > ><http://s155.photobucket.com/albums/s307/msr_cal36/2007%20Caltopia/>http://s155.photobucket.com/albums/s307/msr_cal36/2007%20Caltopia/ > > >Mike > > > >---------- >To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >From: ti… [at] ch2m.com >Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 10:40:49 -0600 >Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] charging system (Mike) > >Mike, > >Depending on your use, I'd strongly recommend >the West Marine Combiner, available directly from the manufacturer ><http://www.yandina.com/c100Info.htm>http://www.yandina.com/c100Info.htm >at a better price. The unit automatically makes sure all batteries are charged. >and keeps them disconnected during discharging > >I'd also have you consider at least a link 200 >two battery monitor, so you can see what is going on with your >charging. > > From my experience batteries at 12.8 volts are > fully charged. I like to see (with lead acid) 14.4-14.6v during >bulk charging, and then lowering during >acceptance, and float this is very easy to see with the link 200. > >dEmO > > > > >---------- >From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >[mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Robinson >Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 10:19 AM >To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] charging system (Mark) > >Hello Mark, >I am planning some rewiring. I traced my >alternator output from alternator to starter (it >looks like 10 guage wire). Then it appears >charging is done via battery cables. Using a >multi meter (volts) I determined that battery 1 >only charged when main switch was on 1, battery >2 charged when switch was on 2 and both charged >when switched to both. My determination made as >volt meter (held on each batttery) went from >12.5 to 14 when switched to that battery. >My questions (I'm not that good with electrics): >Am I correct in determing when each battery is charged? >Is this set up normal? I think I want to employ isolators. >Currently have 12 v starting battery, two 6v >220a golf cart type (house) and two 12v >dedicated to windlass. This was the set up P/O >had except for the two 6v... I replaced a dead 12v with them. >I have a Westerbeke 27 with 50 amp (I think) charger. > >Mike Robinson >Holiday >Cal 36 hull #4 >Pt Richmond, CA > > > >---------- >To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >From: ya… [at] aol.com >Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 07:55:15 -0400 >Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] charging system > >Your Balmar should be putting out a pretty fair >number of amps even at fairly low rpm...I would >look at several things; 1-how heavy is the cable >from the alternator output to the batteries. >2-Are all connections tight, including the >alternator to battery negatives. 3-Is the >external regulator wired properly and >functioning. 4-Are the batteries in good >condition, can they take and hold a charge. > >Since you have the Link, you can determine a lot >about how the system is operating. I would get >rid of the existing amp meter, and if it is >located away from the Link, like on the engine >panel, replace it with a volt meter. If the >original alternator was wired through one of >those 50 or 60 amp there probably was not a >shunt, and the length of the wire, usually >undersized at 10 gauge, going from the >alternator to the engine panel and then to the >batteries was often long enough, with enough >poor connections to cause serious voltage drop. > >Hope this is helpful... > >All the best- > >Mark and Terry Rogers > >"Seirenia", 1966 Cal 36 hull #22 >Newburyport, Ma > >Mobile Marine Electrical Services/MMES Custom Panels >www.wewireboats.com >ya… [at] aol.com > > > > > >---------- >See what's new at ><http://www.aol.com/?NCID=AOLCMP00300000001170>AOL.com >and ><http://www.aol.com/mksplash.adp?NCID=AOLCMP00300000001169>Make >AOL Your Homepage. > > > >---------- >More photos; more messages; more whatever – Get >MORE with Windows Live™ Hotmail®. 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Hey, them's fightin' words to Fiver... next thing you know a miniture anti-ship missle will pop out of nowhere and sink you. :-Þ Lord Nougat wrote: > Wow, cool - I got an amazing bargain on our Cal as well then! I bet > lots of us here are cal 20 sailors; we're just quiet about it because > we're so little and relatively unglamourous... then we go sailing and > have the last laugh! > > She knows she'll be a Cal28 when she grows up. Fun thing though, on > our way into port a couple weeks ago, there was a Cal 28 coming in > behind us. They never caught up. > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 1:55:46 PM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] charging system > > Lord Nougat wrote: > >> >> Louis Fallon >> Cal 20 'Casa de Perro' >> San Pedro, CA > > > > > > How many Cal 20 sailors do we have on the list? I was reading > Charlie's price quotes on the Cal 40 and 46 and I just smirked, > thinking about my $900 Cal 20. Using his pricing method (boat plus > necessary upgrades) mine is perhaps a $2,000 boat. Let's see...Cal 20 > X 2 = Cal 40 (in feet). 2 X $2,000 = $4,000. Think I got a bargain. > I know it when I go out sailing. > > Chris Campbell > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user > panel > <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48516/*http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7%20> > and lay it on us. -- Marsh Wise Webmaster: -reenactor.Net: http://www.reenactor.net/ -Foresthill.us: http://www.foresthill.us/ -Legio IX Hispana Penna: http://www.reenactor.net/units/legio_ix_penna/ - 17. Luftwaffe Feld-Division <http://www.reenactor.net/units/17lwfd/> Assistant Webmaster: -VAQ-33 Squadron site: http://www.reenactor.net/vaq-33/ Proud Member (meaning I can just have fun...) -LEGIO IX HISPANA COH III Penna Chapter: http://www.legio-ix-hispana.org/ Netscape Aim/AOL screen name: Sturmkatze Yahoo Messenger screen name: sturmkatze Alteris renumera duplum de quoquo tibi numeraverunt Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.... But then I repeat myself. ~Mark Twain *Last: Hey Dammit! Have you visited the reenactor.Net FORvMS? If not, WHY NOT? Gett your butt over to: http://www.reenactor.net/forums/index.php right now!

Thanks Duane. Your system sounds just like what I am trying to acheive. Wish I looked at it last week end. Good seeing you at Caltopia! Now that we are sailing more and rehabing less maybe we can meet up you some time on the Bay. Mike To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.comFrom: DU… [at] saic.comDate: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:41:26 -0700Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] charging system (Mike)Mike,Holiday was looking good in person too!!I can recommend the link monitor approach also.If you decide to use the link 2000 which will keep track of two batteries, I have quite a bit of the special twisted pair 10 conductor cable that wires the shunt board to the display terminal board. I bought 25 feet and used about two. Let me know and I can ship you a piece of the appropriate length.Here are some more ideas to ponderThe Batt1 / Batt2 / Both switch prevalent in the 60's and 70's is designed to manage two equally sized battery banks. The engine starter and the house are both activated at the same time.When I researched an electrical upgrade the consensus approach (people like Nigel Calder) was to use a large house battery and a smaller engine starting battery.The three way switch no longer works for this.I wired the engine starter (and electric windlass) through the old switch to a group 24 engine start battery (position 1) and to the house (battery position 2). I also wired the house circuits through a 100A breaker, which acts as the main on/off switch to the large house bank (2 300AH 6V batteries in series).If you go this route you will need a battery combiner or a dual output alternator (which uses isolation diodes but since they are inside the regulator loop so there is no "voltage drop" penalty)Good luck,DuaneDuane & Lynn KnizeMarlyn, 1978 Cal 2-39, #18Berthed: Emeryville, CA At 11:24 AM 9/11/2007, you wrote: Thanx!Mike To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: ti… [at] ch2m.com Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 12:07:22 -0600 Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] charging system (Mike) wow HOLIDAY IS LOOKING GOOD! From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [ mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Robinson Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 11:54 AM To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] charging system (Mike) Thanks dEmo. I'm slow but I will work on your ideas. Saw your folks at "Caltopia" had your dad aboard Holiday for a visit. Caltopia was a blast! http://s155.photobucket.com/albums/s307/msr_cal36/2007%20Caltopia/ Mike To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: ti… [at] ch2m.com Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 10:40:49 -0600 Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] charging system (Mike) Mike, Depending on your use, I'd strongly recommend the West Marine Combiner, available directly from the manufacturer http://www.yandina.com/c100Info.htm at a better price. The unit automatically makes sure all batteries are charged. and keeps them disconnected during discharging I'd also have you consider at least a link 200 two battery monitor, so you can see what is going on with your charging.

Fallon... from San Pedro, did you have a boat (Ranger 23???) at the original California Yacht Anchorage off 22nd street back in the 1970's? if so, you had your boat not far from mine located down the main gangway slip G34. I am proud to be a life long lover of the legend worthy Cal 20 (former owner of 2). I miss the Cal 20 every time I' m out sailing. Mark Stahnke Cal 2-29 1976 Hull #618 San Pedro, Holiday Harbor D7 ----- Original Message ----- From: Marsh Wise To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 2:42 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal 20 and Cal 28 Hey, them's fightin' words to Fiver... next thing you know a miniture anti-ship missle will pop out of nowhere and sink you. :-Þ Lord Nougat wrote: Wow, cool - I got an amazing bargain on our Cal as well then! I bet lots of us here are cal 20 sailors; we're just quiet about it because we're so little and relatively unglamourous... then we go sailing and have the last laugh! She knows she'll be a Cal28 when she grows up. Fun thing though, on our way into port a couple weeks ago, there was a Cal 28 coming in behind us. They never caught up. ----- Original Message ---- From: Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 1:55:46 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] charging system Lord Nougat wrote: Louis Fallon Cal 20 'Casa de Perro' San Pedro, CA How many Cal 20 sailors do we have on the list? I was reading Charlie's price quotes on the Cal 40 and 46 and I just smirked, thinking about my $900 Cal 20. Using his pricing method (boat plus necessary upgrades) mine is perhaps a $2,000 boat. Let's see...Cal 20 X 2 = Cal 40 (in feet). 2 X $2,000 = $4,000. Think I got a bargain. I know it when I go out sailing. Chris Campbell ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. -- Marsh Wise Webmaster: -reenactor.Net: http://www.reenactor.net/ -Foresthill.us: http://www.foresthill.us/ -Legio IX Hispana Penna: http://www.reenactor.net/units/legio_ix_penna/ - 17. Luftwaffe Feld-Division <http://www.reenactor.net/units/17lwfd/> Assistant Webmaster: -VAQ-33 Squadron site: http://www.reenactor.net/vaq-33/ Proud Member (meaning I can just have fun...) -LEGIO IX HISPANA COH III Penna Chapter: http://www.legio-ix-hispana.org/ Netscape Aim/AOL screen name: Sturmkatze Yahoo Messenger screen name: sturmkatze Alteris renumera duplum de quoquo tibi numeraverunt Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.... But then I repeat myself. ~Mark Twain *Last: Hey Dammit! Have you visited the reenactor.Net FORvMS? If not, WHY NOT? Gett your butt over to: http://www.reenactor.net/forums/index.php right now!

Mark Alan Stahnke (MAS Consulting) wrote: > > > I am proud to be a life long lover of the legend worthy Cal 20 (former > owner of 2). I miss the Cal 20 every time I' m out sailing. > > And I miss mine when I'm not! The usual invitation stands for Cal sailors who visit northern lower Michigan--if it's not hard-water season, I'll take you sailing on the prettiest little boat in the mooring field. But then I'm biased.... Chris Campbell