Re: Crew Overboard(Randy)

In 2005 a Crew Overboard Rescue Study was held on San Francisco Bay. For a week, a wide variety of power and sailboats were used to test different rescue techniques and to also test available (and experimental) rescue equipment. Here's the link to the Crew Overboard homepage: http://www.cobevent.com The final report from all the testing and trials can be found at: http://www.boatus.com/foundation/findings/COBfinalreport/ I was one of the test "victims" -- managed to fall overboard about 40 times and get rescued from a range of boats and test a lot different equipment. Even in a wetsuit and PFD it was a strange feeling to be floating out by the Golden Gate Bridge watching the sailboat you were just on sail away from you. Hope the info in the above links is of help to everyone. I learned a lot from being a test victim, mainly how damm hard it is to get back onto a boat if the sea is acting up at all. If I get some time I'm thinking of putting my notes and observations into a report and posting it to the Cal server. Hope the info helps, Jeff

Jeff Noll wrote: > > I learned a > lot from being a test victim, mainly how damm hard it is to get back > onto a boat if the sea is acting up at all. If I get some time I'm > thinking of putting my notes and observations into a report and > posting it to the Cal server. > Jeff: I'll be interested in seeing your comments, and will read that final report tonight. But I agree with what you said about the difficulty of getting back into a boat. We had a pool session on rescues & survival issues. The instructor brought an inflatable and dumped it in the pool. The freeboard on an inflatable is what, 16"? Couldn't climb in. No handhold. If it had had an outboard on, it would have been possible. That was in a nice warm pool, with no waves and no emergency. Imagine a cold, frightened, possibly injured person in the dark and in seas. Chris Campbell

Aren't there sharks right there? BIG white ones? If I ever become a "cruiser," I will never voluntarily get into the water in the ocean. Every time I watch a movie and it shows an actor/actress swimming in the blue, I get the creeps. Goldie Hawn in "Overboard" at the end, when she and Kurt Russell dive into the water and swim to each other. Never gonna happen. This desert rat is a chicken, and not afraid to say so. Since I cannot stand to eat anything out of the ocean, my chances of becoming a cruiser appear limited. I made the mistake of snorkeling off a pier somewhere in Key West. I'd been in town all of ten minutes when we decided to enter the water. It was a bit murky and no one else was in the water. Debbie, Ryan, and I entered and followed an old delapidated pier out into the water, made a 90 degree turn somewhere, and then headed back in. Probably snorkeled about 200 yards. Couldn't see much due to the murky water. No sooner had we returned to Phoenix there appears a special on bull sharks. They apparently like to hang off the piers and bridges leading all the way along the Keys. Debbie still gives me hell to this day. Every time I hear the word, "bull shark," my heart races a bit. Thanks for taking the risk for the rest of us! From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Jeff Noll Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 9:26 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Crew Overboard(Randy) In 2005 a Crew Overboard Rescue Study was held on San Francisco Bay. For a week, a wide variety of power and sailboats were used to test different rescue techniques and to also test available (and experimental) rescue equipment. Here's the link to the Crew Overboard homepage: http://www.cobevent.com The final report from all the testing and trials can be found at: http://www.boatus.com/foundation/findings/COBfinalreport/ I was one of the test "victims" -- managed to fall overboard about 40 times and get rescued from a range of boats and test a lot different equipment. Even in a wetsuit and PFD it was a strange feeling to be floating out by the Golden Gate Bridge watching the sailboat you were just on sail away from you. Hope the info in the above links is of help to everyone. I learned a lot from being a test victim, mainly how damm hard it is to get back onto a boat if the sea is acting up at all. If I get some time I'm thinking of putting my notes and observations into a report and posting it to the Cal server. Hope the info helps, Jeff

I used to spend a fair bit of time around the Marathon area, including Duck Key. This key has lots of canals for boats. Used to be that you could swim in the canals, the water was crystal if it had laid down. Now, there's too many bull sharks. Theory is they are attracted by the fish guts thrown in the canals by fishermen cleaning fish. So we rolled with the punch. At night we turned on the underwater lights in the canal, and chummed. Saw bulls better than 6 feet sometimes, usually only 4 feet or so. Way too big to swim with. td From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Bruce Stirling Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 5:38 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: Crew Overboard(Randy) Aren't there sharks right there? BIG white ones? If I ever become a "cruiser," I will never voluntarily get into the water in the ocean. Every time I watch a movie and it shows an actor/actress swimming in the blue, I get the creeps. Goldie Hawn in "Overboard" at the end, when she and Kurt Russell dive into the water and swim to each other. Never gonna happen. This desert rat is a chicken, and not afraid to say so. Since I cannot stand to eat anything out of the ocean, my chances of becoming a cruiser appear limited. I made the mistake of snorkeling off a pier somewhere in Key West. I'd been in town all of ten minutes when we decided to enter the water. It was a bit murky and no one else was in the water. Debbie, Ryan, and I entered and followed an old delapidated pier out into the water, made a 90 degree turn somewhere, and then headed back in. Probably snorkeled about 200 yards. Couldn't see much due to the murky water. No sooner had we returned to Phoenix there appears a special on bull sharks. They apparently like to hang off the piers and bridges leading all the way along the Keys. Debbie still gives me hell to this day. Every time I hear the word, "bull shark," my heart races a bit. Thanks for taking the risk for the rest of us! From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Jeff Noll Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 9:26 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Crew Overboard(Randy) In 2005 a Crew Overboard Rescue Study was held on San Francisco Bay. For a week, a wide variety of power and sailboats were used to test different rescue techniques and to also test available (and experimental) rescue equipment. Here's the link to the Crew Overboard homepage: http://www.cobevent <http://www.cobevent.com> .com The final report from all the testing and trials can be found at: http://www.boatus. <http://www.boatus.com/foundation/findings/COBfinalreport/> com/foundation/findings/COBfinalreport/ I was one of the test "victims" -- managed to fall overboard about 40 times and get rescued from a range of boats and test a lot different equipment. Even in a wetsuit and PFD it was a strange feeling to be floating out by the Golden Gate Bridge watching the sailboat you were just on sail away from you. Hope the info in the above links is of help to everyone. I learned a lot from being a test victim, mainly how damm hard it is to get back onto a boat if the sea is acting up at all. If I get some time I'm thinking of putting my notes and observations into a report and posting it to the Cal server. Hope the info helps, Jeff DISCLAIMER: Important Notice ************************************************* This e-mail may contain information that is confidential, privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not an intended recipient of this e-mail, do not duplicate or redistribute it by any means. Please delete it and any attachments and notify the sender that you have received it in error. Unintended recipients are prohibited from taking action on the basis of information in this e-mail.E-mail messages may contain computer viruses or other defects, may not be accurately replicated on other systems, or may be intercepted, deleted or interfered with without the knowledge of the sender or the intended recipient. If you are not comfortable with the risks associated with e-mail messages, you may decide not to use e-mail to communicate with IPC. IPC reserves the right, to the extent and under circumstances permitted by applicable law, to retain, monitor and intercept e-mail messages to and from its systems.

I've spent a lot of time on the water, salt water. Swam in the ocean, sailed considerably up and down the coast from Santa Barbara to San Diego, and lots of time in the Santa Monica Bay. I've seen lots of sea lions and porpoises. sometimes by the hundreds, or even thousands! Rarely the fin of a sunfish Skin dived off the beaches in New Jersey, all thru my childhood. And several times in Catalina, thru the kelp beds, and even just last Saturday. But I've never seen a single shark. Yes, not a single shark or even it's dorsal fin. You have a better chance of getting hit by lightening! Jerry "Downing, Thomas" <Th… [at] ipc.com> wrote: I used to spend a fair bit of time around the Marathon area, including Duck Key. This key has lots of canals for boats. Used to be that you could swim in the canals, the water was crystal if it had laid down. Now, there's too many bull sharks. Theory is they are attracted by the fish guts thrown in the canals by fishermen cleaning fish. So we rolled with the punch. At night we turned on the underwater lights in the canal, and chummed. Saw bulls better than 6 feet sometimes, usually only 4 feet or so. Way too big to swim with. td -----Original Message----- From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Bruce Stirling Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 5:38 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: Crew Overboard(Randy) Aren't there sharks right there? BIG white ones? If I ever become a "cruiser," I will never voluntarily get into the water in the ocean. Every time I watch a movie and it shows an actor/actress swimming in the blue, I get the creeps. Goldie Hawn in "Overboard" at the end, when she and Kurt Russell dive into the water and swim to each other. Never gonna happen. This desert rat is a chicken, and not afraid to say so. Since I cannot stand to eat anything out of the ocean, my chances of becoming a cruiser appear limited. I made the mistake of snorkeling off a pier somewhere in Key West. I'd been in town all of ten minutes when we decided to enter the water. It was a bit murky and no one else was in the water. Debbie, Ryan, and I entered and followed an old delapidated pier out into the water, made a 90 degree turn somewhere, and then headed back in. Probably snorkeled about 200 yards. Couldn't see much due to the murky water. No sooner had we returned to Phoenix there appears a special on bull sharks. They apparently like to hang off the piers and bridges leading all the way along the Keys. Debbie still gives me hell to this day. Every time I hear the word, "bull shark," my heart races a bit. Thanks for taking the risk for the rest of us!

Yep, it sorta goes death by lightning, shark, metorite. But when bull sharks are pretty much always there in a very confined channel, well I ain't gonna play those odds.... td From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Gerald Sobel Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 2:31 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Sharks ..fear of them is mostly B.S. I've spent a lot of time on the water, salt water. Swam in the ocean, sailed considerably up and down the coast from Santa Barbara to San Diego, and lots of time in the Santa Monica Bay. I've seen lots of sea lions and porpoises. sometimes by the hundreds, or even thousands! Rarely the fin of a sunfish Skin dived off the beaches in New Jersey, all thru my childhood. And several times in Catalina, thru the kelp beds, and even just last Saturday. But I've never seen a single shark. Yes, not a single shark or even it's dorsal fin. You have a better chance of getting hit by lightening! Jerry "Downing, Thomas" <Th… [at] ipc.com> wrote: I used to spend a fair bit of time around the Marathon area, including Duck Key. This key has lots of canals for boats. Used to be that you could swim in the canals, the water was crystal if it had laid down. Now, there's too many bull sharks. Theory is they are attracted by the fish guts thrown in the canals by fishermen cleaning fish. So we rolled with the punch. At night we turned on the underwater lights in the canal, and chummed. Saw bulls better than 6 feet sometimes, usually only 4 feet or so. Way too big to swim with. td From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Bruce Stirling Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 5:38 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: Crew Overboard(Randy) Aren't there sharks right there? BIG white ones? If I ever become a "cruiser," I will never voluntarily get into the water in the ocean. Every time I watch a movie and it shows an actor/actress swimming in the blue, I get the creeps. Goldie Hawn in "Overboard" at the end, when she and Kurt Russell dive into the water and swim to each other. Never gonna happen. This desert rat is a chicken, and not afraid to say so. Since I cannot stand to eat anything out of the ocean, my chances of becoming a cruiser appear limited. I made the mistake of snorkeling off a pier somewhere in Key West. I'd been in town all of ten minutes when we decided to enter the water. It was a bit murky and no one else was in the water. Debbie, Ryan, and I entered and followed an old delapidated pier out into the water, made a 90 degree turn somewhere, and then headed back in. Probably snorkeled about 200 yards. Couldn't see much due to the murky water. No sooner had we returned to Phoenix there appears a special on bull sharks. They apparently like to hang off the piers and bridges leading all the way along the Keys. Debbie still gives me hell to this day. Every time I hear the word, "bull shark," my heart races a bit. Thanks for taking the risk for the rest of us! DISCLAIMER: Important Notice ************************************************* This e-mail may contain information that is confidential, privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not an intended recipient of this e-mail, do not duplicate or redistribute it by any means. Please delete it and any attachments and notify the sender that you have received it in error. Unintended recipients are prohibited from taking action on the basis of information in this e-mail.E-mail messages may contain computer viruses or other defects, may not be accurately replicated on other systems, or may be intercepted, deleted or interfered with without the knowledge of the sender or the intended recipient. If you are not comfortable with the risks associated with e-mail messages, you may decide not to use e-mail to communicate with IPC. IPC reserves the right, to the extent and under circumstances permitted by applicable law, to retain, monitor and intercept e-mail messages to and from its systems.

Cuddled with some 10' Bulls in Belize diving the Blue Hole a couple years ago. They wanted nothing to do with us. Just don't act like dinner and you'll be okay. -JD On Sep 13, 2007, at 6:41 AM, "Downing, Thomas" <Th… [at] ipc.com> wrote: > I used to spend a fair bit of time around the Marathon area, > including Duck > Key. This key has lots of canals for boats. Used to be that you > could > swim in the canals, the water was crystal if it had laid down. > > Now, there's too many bull sharks. Theory is they are attracted by > the > fish guts thrown in the canals by fishermen cleaning fish. > > So we rolled with the punch. At night we turned on the underwater > lights > in the canal, and chummed. Saw bulls better than 6 feet sometimes, > usually only 4 feet or so. Way too big to swim with. > > td > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On > Behalf Of Bruce Stirling > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 5:38 PM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: Crew Overboard(Randy) > > > Aren't there sharks right there? BIG white ones? If I ever become > a "cruiser," I will never voluntarily get into the water in the > ocean. Every time I watch a movie and it shows an actor/actress > swimming in the blue, I get the creeps. Goldie Hawn in "Overboard" > at the end, when she and Kurt Russell dive into the water and swim > to each other. Never gonna happen. This desert rat is a chicken, > and not afraid to say so. Since I cannot stand to eat anything > out of the ocean, my chances of becoming a cruiser appear limited. > > I made the mistake of snorkeling off a pier somewhere in Key West. > I'd been in town all of ten minutes when we decided to enter the > water. It was a bit murky and no one else was in the water. > Debbie, Ryan, and I entered and followed an old delapidated pier out > into the water, made a 90 degree turn somewhere, and then headed > back in. Probably snorkeled about 200 yards. Couldn't see much > due to the murky water. > > No sooner had we returned to Phoenix there appears a special on bull > sharks. They apparently like to hang off the piers and bridges > leading all the way along the Keys. Debbie still gives me hell to > this day. Every time I hear the word, "bull shark," my heart races > a bit. > > Thanks for taking the risk for the rest of us! > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Jeff Noll > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 9:26 AM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Crew Overboard(Randy) > > In 2005 a Crew Overboard Rescue Study was held on San Francisco Bay. > For a week, a wide variety of power and sailboats were used to test > different rescue techniques and to also test available (and > experimental) rescue equipment. > > Here's the link to the Crew Overboard homepage: http:// > www.cobevent.com > > The final report from all the testing and trials can be found at: > http://www.boatus.com/foundation/findings/COBfinalreport/ > > I was one of the test "victims" -- managed to fall overboard about 40 > times and get rescued from a range of boats and test a lot different > equipment. Even in a wetsuit and PFD it was a strange feeling to be > floating out by the Golden Gate Bridge watching the sailboat you were > just on sail away from you. > > Hope the info in the above links is of help to everyone. I learned a > lot from being a test victim, mainly how damm hard it is to get back > onto a boat if the sea is acting up at all. If I get some time I'm > thinking of putting my notes and observations into a report and > posting it to the Cal server. > > Hope the info helps, > > Jeff > > > DISCLAIMER: > Important Notice ************************************************* > This e-mail may contain information that is confidential, privileged > or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not an intended > recipient of this e-mail, do not duplicate or redistribute it by any > means. Please delete it and any attachments and notify the sender > that you have received it in error. Unintended recipients are > prohibited from taking action on the basis of information in this e- > mail.E-mail messages may contain computer viruses or other defects, > may not be accurately replicated on other systems, or may be > intercepted, deleted or interfered with without the knowledge of the > sender or the intended recipient. If you are not comfortable with > the risks associated with e-mail messages, you may decide not to use > e-mail to communicate with IPC. IPC reserves the right, to the > extent and under circumstances permitted by applicable law, to > retain, monitor and intercept e-mail messages to and from its > systems.

Thomas, You could get snatched and dragged off by a big croc when you step outside to pick up your newspaper if you live in Florida! I here they're everywhere. Then there are them snakes in the grass too. Me Grandpappy warned us kids about them when we went into the backyard of their new house in Vero Beach. But what nearly kilt me was the fourth degree sundburn I got on my back on the third day. Well, it became fourth degree when Grandma applied some insect repellant to it that night. Never forget that. Yep, I here Bull sharks can get pretty aggressive, even towards swimmers in shallow water in Florida. Do you actually see dorsal fins going by? Still, I'll bet attacks are pretty rare, as they always make the news nationwide. This year a diver in California was attacked by several Giant Squid. But your more likely to get splatted by a bullet from a drive by, while sitting on your couch watching re-runs on TV. Jerry "Downing, Thomas" <Th… [at] ipc.com> wrote: Yep, it sorta goes death by lightning, shark, metorite. But when bull sharks are pretty much always there in a very confined channel, well I ain't gonna play those odds.... td -----Original Message----- From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Gerald Sobel Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 2:31 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Sharks ..fear of them is mostly B.S. I've spent a lot of time on the water, salt water. Swam in the ocean, sailed considerably up and down the coast from Santa Barbara to San Diego, and lots of time in the Santa Monica Bay. I've seen lots of sea lions and porpoises. sometimes by the hundreds, or even thousands! Rarely the fin of a sunfish Skin dived off the beaches in New Jersey, all thru my childhood. And several times in Catalina, thru the kelp beds, and even just last Saturday. But I've never seen a single shark. Yes, not a single shark or even it's dorsal fin. You have a better chance of getting hit by lightening! Jerry "Downing, Thomas" <Th… [at] ipc.com> wrote: I used to spend a fair bit of time around the Marathon area, including Duck Key. This key has lots of canals for boats. Used to be that you could swim in the canals, the water was crystal if it had laid down. Now, there's too many bull sharks. Theory is they are attracted by the fish guts thrown in the canals by fishermen cleaning fish. So we rolled with the punch. At night we turned on the underwater lights in the canal, and chummed. Saw bulls better than 6 feet sometimes, usually only 4 feet or so. Way too big to swim with. td -----Original Message----- From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Bruce Stirling Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 5:38 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: Crew Overboard(Randy) Aren't there sharks right there? BIG white ones? If I ever become a "cruiser," I will never voluntarily get into the water in the ocean. Every time I watch a movie and it shows an actor/actress swimming in the blue, I get the creeps. Goldie Hawn in "Overboard" at the end, when she and Kurt Russell dive into the water and swim to each other. Never gonna happen. This desert rat is a chicken, and not afraid to say so. Since I cannot stand to eat anything out of the ocean, my chances of becoming a cruiser appear limited. I made the mistake of snorkeling off a pier somewhere in Key West. I'd been in town all of ten minutes when we decided to enter the water. It was a bit murky and no one else was in the water. Debbie, Ryan, and I entered and followed an old delapidated pier out into the water, made a 90 degree turn somewhere, and then headed back in. Probably snorkeled about 200 yards. Couldn't see much due to the murky water. No sooner had we returned to Phoenix there appears a special on bull sharks. They apparently like to hang off the piers and bridges leading all the way along the Keys. Debbie still gives me hell to this day. Every time I hear the word, "bull shark," my heart races a bit. Thanks for taking the risk for the rest of us! DISCLAIMER: Important Notice ************************************************* This e-mail may contain information that is confidential, privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not an intended recipient of this e-mail, do not duplicate or redistribute it by any means. Please delete it and any attachments and notify the sender that you have received it in error. Unintended recipients are prohibited from taking action on the basis of information in this e-mail.E-mail messages may contain computer viruses or other defects, may not be accurately replicated on other systems, or may be intercepted, deleted or interfered with without the knowledge of the sender or the intended recipient. If you are not comfortable with the risks associated with e-mail messages, you may decide not to use e-mail to communicate with IPC. IPC reserves the right, to the extent and under circumstances permitted by applicable law, to retain, monitor and intercept e-mail messages to and from its systems.

But your more likely to get splatted by a bullet from a drive by, while sitting on your couch watching re-runs on TV. Actually, in Phoenix, you're right about that. I found a spent 9mm slug on my pool deck in the backyard. New Year's used to sound like Beirut around here. I remember going out to my front porch one year and actually hiding behind concrete pillars before high tailing it back inside. Sounded like a fire fight. A teenage girl was killed about ten years ago as she hung out in her backyard. A bullet just fell out of the sky and hit her. The state passed a new law and the police have vigourously enforced it. Things quieted down some. They have the ability to track (in theory) the trajectory. What brought my shark concern to the surface again was a show on TV about a woman cruiser, who was attacked in a lagoon soon after anchoring. The site they chose was near an old meat packing plant. They had no clue.

Actually, Sharks are quite fascinating. I remember in Navy survival training the explanation of how shark repellent works: "It's made of 50% hamburger and 50% female shark gonads, so it doesn't know where to eat you or screw you, get's confused, and swims off. Another words, the stuff they pack in your Mk 2 one man survival life raft is there for your psychological comfort, it really doesn't work. Now we know a shark is as intelligent as a dog. Used to be sharks were thought to be mindless eating machines. White sharks are known to migrate across vast stretches of the oceans. Another interesting thing is that we and sharks have mutual ancestors, you could say we evolved from sharks; the bones of our hammer, stirrup, and anvil are derived from the vestigial gill arches during our embryonic growth. Yes, at one point in our development, you can't tell if its a boy or girl... shark, turtle, pigeon, pig, monkey, or 'human'. Jerry Bruce Stirling <br… [at] stirlinglaw.com> wrote: But your more likely to get splatted by a bullet from a drive by, while sitting on your couch watching re-runs on TV. ________________________________________________ Actually, in Phoenix, you're right about that. I found a spent 9mm slug on my pool deck in the backyard. New Year's used to sound like Beirut around here. I remember going out to my front porch one year and actually hiding behind concrete pillars before high tailing it back inside. Sounded like a fire fight. A teenage girl was killed about ten years ago as she hung out in her backyard. A bullet just fell out of the sky and hit her. The state passed a new law and the police have vigourously enforced it. Things quieted down some. They have the ability to track (in theory) the trajectory. What brought my shark concern to the surface again was a show on TV about a woman cruiser, who was attacked in a lagoon soon after anchoring. The site they chose was near an old meat packing plant. They had no clue.

I've never seen a bull shark swiming dorsal up. And yep, it's not a risk. Still, it's one thing to jump in the water in general, and another to jump in when there's 3 or 4 bulls just 8 feet away. Attacks are rare, but bull shark in shallow waters, even fresh water, lead the statistics. So if I ever win PowerBall, I'll figure I might get bit. Had a _very_ close encounter with a 30 foot croc in the everglades onces. Well okay, but it looked 30 feet, and I will swear that the teeth were at least 18 inches. td From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Gerald Sobel Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 7:28 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Sharks ..fear of them is mostly B.S. Thomas, You could get snatched and dragged off by a big croc when you step outside to pick up your newspaper if you live in Florida! I here they're everywhere. Then there are them snakes in the grass too. Me Grandpappy warned us kids about them when we went into the backyard of their new house in Vero Beach. But what nearly kilt me was the fourth degree sundburn I got on my back on the third day. Well, it became fourth degree when Grandma applied some insect repellant to it that night. Never forget that. Yep, I here Bull sharks can get pretty aggressive, even towards swimmers in shallow water in Florida. Do you actually see dorsal fins going by? Still, I'll bet attacks are pretty rare, as they always make the news nationwide. This year a diver in California was attacked by several Giant Squid. But your more likely to get splatted by a bullet from a drive by, while sitting on your couch watching re-runs on TV. Jerry "Downing, Thomas" <Th… [at] ipc.com> wrote: Yep, it sorta goes death by lightning, shark, metorite. But when bull sharks are pretty much always there in a very confined channel, well I ain't gonna play those odds.... td From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Gerald Sobel Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 2:31 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Sharks ..fear of them is mostly B.S. I've spent a lot of time on the water, salt water. Swam in the ocean, sailed considerably up and down the coast from Santa Barbara to San Diego, and lots of time in the Santa Monica Bay. I've seen lots of sea lions and porpoises. sometimes by the hundreds, or even thousands! Rarely the fin of a sunfish Skin dived off the beaches in New Jersey, all thru my childhood. And several times in Catalina, thru the kelp beds, and even just last Saturday. But I've never seen a single shark. Yes, not a single shark or even it's dorsal fin. You have a better chance of getting hit by lightening! Jerry "Downing, Thomas" <Th… [at] ipc.com> wrote: I used to spend a fair bit of time around the Marathon area, including Duck Key. This key has lots of canals for boats. Used to be that you could swim in the canals, the water was crystal if it had laid down. Now, there's too many bull sharks. Theory is they are attracted by the fish guts thrown in the canals by fishermen cleaning fish. So we rolled with the punch. At night we turned on the underwater lights in the canal, and chummed. Saw bulls better than 6 feet sometimes, usually only 4 feet or so. Way too big to swim with. td From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Bruce Stirling Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 5:38 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: Crew Overboard(Randy) Aren't there sharks right there? BIG white ones? If I ever become a "cruiser," I will never voluntarily get into the water in the ocean. Every time I watch a movie and it shows an actor/actress swimming in the blue, I get the creeps. Goldie Hawn in "Overboard" at the end, when she and Kurt Russell dive into the water and swim to each other. Never gonna happen. This desert rat is a chicken, and not afraid to say so. Since I cannot stand to eat anything out of the ocean, my chances of becoming a cruiser appear limited. I made the mistake of snorkeling off a pier somewhere in Key West. I'd been in town all of ten minutes when we decided to enter the water. It was a bit murky and no one else was in the water. Debbie, Ryan, and I entered and followed an old delapidated pier out into the water, made a 90 degree turn somewhere, and then headed back in. Probably snorkeled about 200 yards. Couldn't see much due to the murky water. No sooner had we returned to Phoenix there appears a special on bull sharks. They apparently like to hang off the piers and bridges leading all the way along the Keys. 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Well that explains why my hammer looks so strange.......... ----- Original Message ----- From: Gerald Sobel To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 2:50 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Who is a shark, was:Re: Sharks ..fear of them is mostly B.S.(Bruce) Actually, Sharks are quite fascinating. I remember in Navy survival training the explanation of how shark repellent works: "It's made of 50% hamburger and 50% female shark gonads, so it doesn't know where to eat you or screw you, get's confused, and swims off. Another words, the stuff they pack in your Mk 2 one man survival life raft is there for your psychological comfort, it really doesn't work. Now we know a shark is as intelligent as a dog. Used to be sharks were thought to be mindless eating machines. White sharks are known to migrate across vast stretches of the oceans. Another interesting thing is that we and sharks have mutual ancestors, you could say we evolved from sharks; the bones of our hammer, stirrup, and anvil are derived from the vestigial gill arches during our embryonic growth. Yes, at one point in our development, you can't tell if its a boy or girl... shark, turtle, pigeon, pig, monkey, or 'human'. Jerry Bruce Stirling <br… [at] stirlinglaw.com> wrote: But your more likely to get splatted by a bullet from a drive by, while sitting on your couch watching re-runs on TV. ________________________________________________ Actually, in Phoenix, you're right about that. I found a spent 9mm slug on my pool deck in the backyard. New Year's used to sound like Beirut around here. I remember going out to my front porch one year and actually hiding behind concrete pillars before high tailing it back inside. Sounded like a fire fight. A teenage girl was killed about ten years ago as she hung out in her backyard. A bullet just fell out of the sky and hit her. The state passed a new law and the police have vigourously enforced it. Things quieted down some. They have the ability to track (in theory) the trajectory. What brought my shark concern to the surface again was a show on TV about a woman cruiser, who was attacked in a lagoon soon after anchoring. The site they chose was near an old meat packing plant. They had no clue.

and... they still eat people. No matter how you try to mak eit look, that is still the case. When we can ay "Hey Shark, don't kill us. We'll let you live" and he says "Okay bub!" then it'll be okay. There's a ways to go on that one. Gerald Sobel wrote: > Actually, > Sharks are quite fascinating. I remember in Navy survival training the > explanation of how shark repellent works: "It's made of 50% hamburger > and 50% female shark gonads, so it doesn't know where to eat you or > screw you, get's confused, and swims off. Another words, the stuff > they pack in your Mk 2 one man survival life raft is there for your > psychological comfort, it really doesn't work. > > Now we know a shark is as intelligent as a dog. Used to be sharks were > thought to be mindless eating machines. > White sharks are known to migrate across vast stretches of the oceans. > > Another interesting thing is that we and sharks have mutual > ancestors, you could say we evolved from sharks; the bones of our > hammer, stirrup, and anvil are derived from the vestigial gill arches > during our embryonic growth. Yes, at one point in our development, you > can't tell if its a boy or girl... shark, turtle, pigeon, pig, monkey, > or 'human'. > Jerry > > Bruce Stirling <br… [at] stirlinglaw.com> wrote: > > But your more likely to get splatted by a bullet from a drive by, > while sitting on your couch watching re-runs on TV. > > ________________________________________________ > > Actually, in Phoenix, you're right about that. I found a spent 9mm > slug on my pool deck in the backyard. New Year's used to sound like > Beirut around here. I remember going out to my front porch one year > and actually hiding behind concrete pillars before high tailing it > back inside. Sounded like a fire fight. A teenage girl was killed > about ten years ago as she hung out in her backyard. A bullet just > fell out of the sky and hit her. The state passed a new law and the > police have vigourously enforced it. Things quieted down some. They > have the ability to track (in theory) the trajectory. > > What brought my shark concern to the surface again was a show on TV > about a woman cruiser, who was attacked in a lagoon soon after > anchoring. The site they chose was near an old meat packing plant. > They had no clue. > > > -- Marsh Wise Webmaster: -reenactor.Net: http://www.reenactor.net/ -Foresthill.us: http://www.foresthill.us/ -Legio IX Hispana Penna: http://www.reenactor.net/units/legio_ix_penna/ - 17. Luftwaffe Feld-Division <http://www.reenactor.net/units/17lwfd/> Assistant Webmaster: -VAQ-33 Squadron site: http://www.reenactor.net/vaq-33/ Proud Member (meaning I can just have fun...) -LEGIO IX HISPANA COH III Penna Chapter: http://www.legio-ix-hispana.org/ Netscape Aim/AOL screen name: Sturmkatze Yahoo Messenger screen name: sturmkatze Alteris renumera duplum de quoquo tibi numeraverunt Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.... But then I repeat myself. ~Mark Twain *Last: Hey Dammit! Have you visited the reenactor.Net FORvMS? If not, WHY NOT? Gett your butt over to: http://www.reenactor.net/forums/index.php right now!

Gerald Sobel wrote: > > Thomas, > You could get snatched and dragged off by a big croc when you step > outside to pick up your newspaper if you live in Florida! I here > they're everywhere. Then there are them snakes in the grass too. Me > Grandpappy warned us kids about them when we went into the backyard of > their new house in Vero Beach. But what nearly kilt me was the fourth > degree sundburn I got on my back on the third day. Well, it became > fourth degree when Grandma applied some insect repellant to it that > night. Never forget that. > > Yep, I here Bull sharks can get pretty aggressive, even towards > swimmers in shallow water in Florida. Do you actually see dorsal fins > going by? Still, I'll bet attacks are pretty rare, as they always make > the news nationwide. > > This year a diver in California was attacked by several Giant Squid. > But your more likely to get splatted by a bullet from a drive by, > while sitting on your couch watching re-runs on TV. > This is that whole problem with relative assessment of risk. Statistical data show that we worry a lot about highly unlikely things, and don't worry enough about very likely things. For example, one of the unsafest things we do is climb into a car, or climb up on a ladder, and yet we don't break into a cold sweat just thinking about those. What affects it, of course, is the sense of horror. Somehow being eaten by a shark fills us with more dread than being beaten up in a car accident. My Dad, an orthopedic surgeon, practiced before there were specialized ER physicians or seat belts in cars, so he patched up a lot of people who'd been really pulverized in car accidents (and certified deaths of a lot, too). As a result, he had a clear notion of the kinds of risks presented, and he had seat belts installed before the car makers made them available. He was a slow and cautious driver, too. He knew where the real horror lay. None of us is completely rational. We all have fears and phobias that are unrealistic and irrational. I'm not about to point a finger and call somebody else foolish. But it's worth considering whether risks are significant, when the fears associated with them affect things we want to do. I'm the guy who didn't wear a bike helmet until after the second trip over the handlebars. Talk about underestimating risks.... Chris Campbell

Thomas, Used to be it was just rattler snakes in FLA, now it's giant anacondas on the loose! I can just see myself sailing one of your canals to find meself being fought over by sharks, crocs, anacondas and jaguars. Place your bets! Don't go near the water!! Jerry "Downing, Thomas" <Th… [at] ipc.com> wrote: I've never seen a bull shark swiming dorsal up. And yep, it's not a risk. Still, it's one thing to jump in the water in general, and another to jump in when there's 3 or 4 bulls just 8 feet away. Attacks are rare, but bull shark in shallow waters, even fresh water, lead the statistics. So if I ever win PowerBall, I'll figure I might get bit. Had a _very_ close encounter with a 30 foot croc in the everglades onces. Well okay, but it looked 30 feet, and I will swear that the teeth were at least 18 inches. td -----Original Message----- From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Gerald Sobel Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 7:28 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Sharks ..fear of them is mostly B.S. Thomas, You could get snatched and dragged off by a big croc when you step outside to pick up your newspaper if you live in Florida! I here they're everywhere. Then there are them snakes in the grass too. Me Grandpappy warned us kids about them when we went into the backyard of their new house in Vero Beach. But what nearly kilt me was the fourth degree sundburn I got on my back on the third day. Well, it became fourth degree when Grandma applied some insect repellant to it that night. Never forget that. Yep, I here Bull sharks can get pretty aggressive, even towards swimmers in shallow water in Florida. Do you actually see dorsal fins going by? Still, I'll bet attacks are pretty rare, as they always make the news nationwide. This year a diver in California was attacked by several Giant Squid. But your more likely to get splatted by a bullet from a drive by, while sitting on your couch watching re-runs on TV. Jerry "Downing, Thomas" <Th… [at] ipc.com> wrote: Yep, it sorta goes death by lightning, shark, metorite. But when bull sharks are pretty much always there in a very confined channel, well I ain't gonna play those odds.... td -----Original Message----- From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Gerald Sobel Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 2:31 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Sharks ..fear of them is mostly B.S. I've spent a lot of time on the water, salt water. Swam in the ocean, sailed considerably up and down the coast from Santa Barbara to San Diego, and lots of time in the Santa Monica Bay. I've seen lots of sea lions and porpoises. sometimes by the hundreds, or even thousands! Rarely the fin of a sunfish Skin dived off the beaches in New Jersey, all thru my childhood. And several times in Catalina, thru the kelp beds, and even just last Saturday. But I've never seen a single shark. Yes, not a single shark or even it's dorsal fin. You have a better chance of getting hit by lightening! Jerry "Downing, Thomas" <Th… [at] ipc.com> wrote: I used to spend a fair bit of time around the Marathon area, including Duck Key. This key has lots of canals for boats. Used to be that you could swim in the canals, the water was crystal if it had laid down. Now, there's too many bull sharks. Theory is they are attracted by the fish guts thrown in the canals by fishermen cleaning fish. So we rolled with the punch. At night we turned on the underwater lights in the canal, and chummed. Saw bulls better than 6 feet sometimes, usually only 4 feet or so. Way too big to swim with. td -----Original Message----- From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Bruce Stirling Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 5:38 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: Crew Overboard(Randy) Aren't there sharks right there? BIG white ones? If I ever become a "cruiser," I will never voluntarily get into the water in the ocean. Every time I watch a movie and it shows an actor/actress swimming in the blue, I get the creeps. Goldie Hawn in "Overboard" at the end, when she and Kurt Russell dive into the water and swim to each other. Never gonna happen. This desert rat is a chicken, and not afraid to say so. Since I cannot stand to eat anything out of the ocean, my chances of becoming a cruiser appear limited. I made the mistake of snorkeling off a pier somewhere in Key West. I'd been in town all of ten minutes when we decided to enter the water. It was a bit murky and no one else was in the water. Debbie, Ryan, and I entered and followed an old delapidated pier out into the water, made a 90 degree turn somewhere, and then headed back in. Probably snorkeled about 200 yards. Couldn't see much due to the murky water. No sooner had we returned to Phoenix there appears a special on bull sharks. They apparently like to hang off the piers and bridges leading all the way along the Keys. Debbie still gives me hell to this day. Every time I hear the word, "bull shark," my heart races a bit. Thanks for taking the risk for the rest of us! DISCLAIMER: Important Notice ************************************************* This e-mail may contain information that is confidential, privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not an intended recipient of this e-mail, do not duplicate or redistribute it by any means. Please delete it and any attachments and notify the sender that you have received it in error. 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Yup. The chance is slight, but you are not supposed to stand under a tree in a lightning storm. HE From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Downing, Thomas Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 2:37 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Sharks ..fear of them is mostly B.S. Yep, it sorta goes death by lightning, shark, metorite. But when bull sharks are pretty much always there in a very confined channel, well I ain't gonna play those odds.... td From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Gerald Sobel Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 2:31 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Sharks ..fear of them is mostly B.S. I've spent a lot of time on the water, salt water. Swam in the ocean, sailed considerably up and down the coast from Santa Barbara to San Diego, and lots of time in the Santa Monica Bay. I've seen lots of sea lions and porpoises. sometimes by the hundreds, or even thousands! Rarely the fin of a sunfish Skin dived off the beaches in New Jersey, all thru my childhood. And several times in Catalina, thru the kelp beds, and even just last Saturday. But I've never seen a single shark. Yes, not a single shark or even it's dorsal fin. You have a better chance of getting hit by lightening! Jerry "Downing, Thomas" <Th… [at] ipc.com> wrote: I used to spend a fair bit of time around the Marathon area, including Duck Key. This key has lots of canals for boats. Used to be that you could swim in the canals, the water was crystal if it had laid down. Now, there's too many bull sharks. Theory is they are attracted by the fish guts thrown in the canals by fishermen cleaning fish. So we rolled with the punch. At night we turned on the underwater lights in the canal, and chummed. Saw bulls better than 6 feet sometimes, usually only 4 feet or so. Way too big to swim with. td From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Bruce Stirling Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 5:38 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: Crew Overboard(Randy) Aren't there sharks right there? BIG white ones? If I ever become a "cruiser," I will never voluntarily get into the water in the ocean. Every time I watch a movie and it shows an actor/actress swimming in the blue, I get the creeps. Goldie Hawn in "Overboard" at the end, when she and Kurt Russell dive into the water and swim to each other. Never gonna happen. This desert rat is a chicken, and not afraid to say so. Since I cannot stand to eat anything out of the ocean, my chances of becoming a cruiser appear limited. I made the mistake of snorkeling off a pier somewhere in Key West. I'd been in town all of ten minutes when we decided to enter the water. It was a bit murky and no one else was in the water. Debbie, Ryan, and I entered and followed an old delapidated pier out into the water, made a 90 degree turn somewhere, and then headed back in. Probably snorkeled about 200 yards. Couldn't see much due to the murky water. No sooner had we returned to Phoenix there appears a special on bull sharks. They apparently like to hang off the piers and bridges leading all the way along the Keys. Debbie still gives me hell to this day. Every time I hear the word, "bull shark," my heart races a bit. Thanks for taking the risk for the rest of us! DISCLAIMER: Important Notice ************************************************* This e-mail may contain information that is confidential, privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not an intended recipient of this e-mail, do not duplicate or redistribute it by any means. Please delete it and any attachments and notify the sender that you have received it in error. Unintended recipients are prohibited from taking action on the basis of information in this e-mail.E-mail messages may contain computer viruses or other defects, may not be accurately replicated on other systems, or may be intercepted, deleted or interfered with without the knowledge of the sender or the intended recipient. If you are not comfortable with the risks associated with e-mail messages, you may decide not to use e-mail to communicate with IPC. IPC reserves the right, to the extent and under circumstances permitted by applicable law, to retain, monitor and intercept e-mail messages to and from its systems.

Hi Bruce, Sorry, just could not let this one pass.. Good friend, sailor, 84 years young, retired lawyer, Harvard Law School Grad, Ralph Hodges says he does not worry about sharks, they leave him alone as a professional courtesy. Tom Vandiver --- Bruce Stirling <br… [at] stirlinglaw.com> wrote: > But your more likely to get splatted by a bullet > from a drive by, > while sitting on your couch watching re-runs on TV. > > ________________________________________________ > > Actually, in Phoenix, you're right about that. I > found a spent 9mm > slug on my pool deck in the backyard. New Year's > used to sound like > Beirut around here. I remember going out to my > front porch one year > and actually hiding behind concrete pillars before > high tailing it > back inside. Sounded like a fire fight. A teenage > girl was killed > about ten years ago as she hung out in her backyard. > A bullet just > fell out of the sky and hit her. The state passed a > new law and the > police have vigourously enforced it. Things quieted > down some. They > have the ability to track (in theory) the > trajectory. > > What brought my shark concern to the surface again > was a show on TV > about a woman cruiser, who was attacked in a lagoon > soon after > anchoring. The site they chose was near an old meat > packing plant. > They had no clue. > >

This occurred to me after I posted the message. Not sure how they will recognize me in the water. Probably another joke there, too! --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Tom Vandiver <bshmarine@...> wrote: > > Hi Bruce, > > Sorry, just could not let this one pass.. > > Good friend, sailor, 84 years young, retired lawyer, > Harvard Law School Grad, Ralph Hodges says he does not > worry about sharks, they leave him alone as a > professional courtesy. > > Tom Vandiver > > --- Bruce Stirling <bruce@...> wrote: > > > But your more likely to get splatted by a bullet > > from a drive by, > > while sitting on your couch watching re-runs on TV. > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > > Actually, in Phoenix, you're right about that. I > > found a spent 9mm > > slug on my pool deck in the backyard. New Year's > > used to sound like > > Beirut around here. I remember going out to my > > front porch one year > > and actually hiding behind concrete pillars before > > high tailing it > > back inside. Sounded like a fire fight. A teenage > > girl was killed > > about ten years ago as she hung out in her backyard. > > A bullet just > > fell out of the sky and hit her. The state passed a > > new law and the > > police have vigourously enforced it. Things quieted > > down some. They > > have the ability to track (in theory) the > > trajectory. > > > > What brought my shark concern to the surface again > > was a show on TV > > about a woman cruiser, who was attacked in a lagoon > > soon after > > anchoring. The site they chose was near an old meat > > packing plant. > > They had no clue. > > > > >

Boat plans canceled for the weekend! --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Stirling" <bruce@...> wrote: > > This occurred to me after I posted the message. Not sure how they > will recognize me in the water. Probably another joke there, too! > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Tom Vandiver <bshmarine@> wrote: > > > > Hi Bruce, > > > > Sorry, just could not let this one pass.. > > > > Good friend, sailor, 84 years young, retired lawyer, > > Harvard Law School Grad, Ralph Hodges says he does not > > worry about sharks, they leave him alone as a > > professional courtesy. > > > > Tom Vandiver > > > > --- Bruce Stirling <bruce@> wrote: > > > > > But your more likely to get splatted by a bullet > > > from a drive by, > > > while sitting on your couch watching re-runs on TV. > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > > > > Actually, in Phoenix, you're right about that. I > > > found a spent 9mm > > > slug on my pool deck in the backyard. New Year's > > > used to sound like > > > Beirut around here. I remember going out to my > > > front porch one year > > > and actually hiding behind concrete pillars before > > > high tailing it > > > back inside. Sounded like a fire fight. A teenage > > > girl was killed > > > about ten years ago as she hung out in her backyard. > > > A bullet just > > > fell out of the sky and hit her. The state passed a > > > new law and the > > > police have vigourously enforced it. Things quieted > > > down some. They > > > have the ability to track (in theory) the > > > trajectory. > > > > > > What brought my shark concern to the surface again > > > was a show on TV > > > about a woman cruiser, who was attacked in a lagoon > > > soon after > > > anchoring. The site they chose was near an old meat > > > packing plant. > > > They had no clue. > > > > > > > > >