Two Sharks Attack Surfer on Video

I just came across this video of two sharks taking on a surfer in the middle of a wave. Pretty spooky. He makes it out OK. <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lgfRQi8Pls>

Bruce, Some nice videos in there..youtube. I like the one of the great white becoming air borne while snatching a tender young seal pup, all in slo-mo. Then there is the plump young woman who survives but gives her leg to the shark for dinner. Woops! Let's see, for every human shark victim there's how many sharks killed for dinner (altho I don't see shark steak much these day, having been critically depleted?) killed for trophies (see who can catch the biggest Mako, like here in Marina del Rey), by-catch on long lines, or suffocating on the bottom with their fins having been sliced off for shark fin soup at a fancy restaurant? Totally shameful. Jerry Bruce Stirling <br… [at] stirlinglaw.com> wrote: I just came across this video of two sharks taking on a surfer in the middle of a wave. Pretty spooky. He makes it out OK. <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lgfRQi8Pls>

Don't misunderstand my posts about sharks. I am totally on their side and fascinated by them. I got really ticked off when I read Robin Lee Graham's account of Dove's solo around the world and learned he shot a visiting shark, apparently for the fun of it. He was in a Lapworth 24 at the time. Don't particularly want to see the video of them gulping down a pup sea lion, either. I would enjoy watching them eat the crew of a sinking whaler or shark fin fishing boat, though. --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Gerald Sobel <sobel_solar@...> wrote: > > Bruce, > Some nice videos in there..youtube. I like the one of the great white becoming air borne while snatching a tender young seal pup, all in slo-mo. Then there is the plump young woman who survives but gives her leg to the shark for dinner. Woops! > Let's see, for every human shark victim there's how many sharks killed for dinner (altho I don't see shark steak much these day, having been critically depleted?) killed for trophies (see who can catch the biggest Mako, like here in Marina del Rey), by-catch on long lines, or suffocating on the bottom with their fins having been sliced off for shark fin soup at a fancy restaurant? Totally shameful. > > Jerry > > Bruce Stirling <bruce@...> wrote: I just came across this video of two sharks taking on a surfer in the > middle of a wave. Pretty spooky. He makes it out OK. > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lgfRQi8Pls> >

ahh life is too short to keep worrying all the time. I am kinda stupid, I have a finite hard drive in my head... I have to chose which stuff to keep and which to delete. Marsh Gerald Sobel wrote: > Bruce, > Some nice videos in there..youtube. I like the one of the great white > becoming air borne while snatching a tender young seal pup, all in > slo-mo. Then there is the plump young woman who survives but gives her > leg to the shark for dinner. Woops! > Let's see, for every human shark victim there's how many sharks killed > for dinner (altho I don't see shark steak much these day, having been > critically depleted?) killed for trophies (see who can catch the > biggest Mako, like here in Marina del Rey), by-catch on long lines, or > suffocating on the bottom with their fins having been sliced off for > shark fin soup at a fancy restaurant? Totally shameful. > > Jerry > > Bruce Stirling <br… [at] stirlinglaw.com> wrote: > > I just came across this video of two sharks taking on a surfer in the > middle of a wave. Pretty spooky. He makes it out OK. > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lgfRQi8Pls > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lgfRQi8Pls>> > > > -- Marsh Wise Webmaster: -reenactor.Net: http://www.reenactor.net/ -Foresthill.us: http://www.foresthill.us/ -Legio IX Hispana Penna: http://www.reenactor.net/units/legio_ix_penna/ - 17. Luftwaffe Feld-Division <http://www.reenactor.net/units/17lwfd/> Assistant Webmaster: -VAQ-33 Squadron site: http://www.reenactor.net/vaq-33/ Proud Member (meaning I can just have fun...) -LEGIO IX HISPANA COH III Penna Chapter: http://www.legio-ix-hispana.org/ Netscape Aim/AOL screen name: Sturmkatze Yahoo Messenger screen name: sturmkatze Alteris renumera duplum de quoquo tibi numeraverunt Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.... But then I repeat myself. ~Mark Twain *Last: Hey Dammit! Have you visited the reenactor.Net FORvMS? If not, WHY NOT? Gett your butt over to: http://www.reenactor.net/forums/index.php right now!

Bruce, I hear you. However, it's hard... I could feel bad about the death of anything. Any animal. If I had to kill my own food, I'd be a vegetarian. Just can't think of all this stuff or worry about it all -- it will drive you nuts. I need to concentrate on stuff I can do or need to do (like new bottom paint...). Seriously, I feel for lions, tigers, gorillas, etc. All endangered. i feel for deer, etc. What can you do????? Bruce Stirling wrote: >Don't misunderstand my posts about sharks. I am totally on their side >and fascinated by them. I got really ticked off when I read Robin Lee >Graham's account of Dove's solo around the world and learned he shot a >visiting shark, apparently for the fun of it. He was in a Lapworth 24 >at the time. Don't particularly want to see the video of them gulping >down a pup sea lion, either. I would enjoy watching them eat the crew >of a sinking whaler or shark fin fishing boat, though. > >--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Gerald Sobel <sobel_solar@...> wrote: > > >>Bruce, >>Some nice videos in there..youtube. I like the one of the great >> >> >white becoming air borne while snatching a tender young seal pup, all >in slo-mo. Then there is the plump young woman who survives but gives >her leg to the shark for dinner. Woops! > > >>Let's see, for every human shark victim there's how many sharks >> >> >killed for dinner (altho I don't see shark steak much these day, >having been critically depleted?) killed for trophies (see who can >catch the biggest Mako, like here in Marina del Rey), by-catch on long >lines, or suffocating on the bottom with their fins having been sliced >off for shark fin soup at a fancy restaurant? Totally shameful. > > >>Jerry >> >>Bruce Stirling <bruce@...> wrote: I >> >> >just came across this video of two sharks taking on a surfer in the > > >> middle of a wave. Pretty spooky. He makes it out OK. >> >> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lgfRQi8Pls> >> >> >> > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > -- Marsh Wise Webmaster: -reenactor.Net: http://www.reenactor.net/ -Foresthill.us: http://www.foresthill.us/ -Legio IX Hispana Penna: http://www.reenactor.net/units/legio_ix_penna/ - 17. Luftwaffe Feld-Division <http://www.reenactor.net/units/17lwfd/> Assistant Webmaster: -VAQ-33 Squadron site: http://www.reenactor.net/vaq-33/ Proud Member (meaning I can just have fun...) -LEGIO IX HISPANA COH III Penna Chapter: http://www.legio-ix-hispana.org/ Netscape Aim/AOL screen name: Sturmkatze Yahoo Messenger screen name: sturmkatze Alteris renumera duplum de quoquo tibi numeraverunt Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.... But then I repeat myself. ~Mark Twain *Last: Hey Dammit! Have you visited the reenactor.Net FORvMS? If not, WHY NOT? Gett your butt over to: http://www.reenactor.net/forums/index.php right now!

I don't recall Robin shooting any shark. I do remember his last pet cat falling off the main boom and falling into the water and being gobbled up by sharks trailing the boats wake, and him being devastated by it even tho he and the cat didn't get along so well. I'd have to get hold of a copy to know for sure, anyone have one? It's not, I don't recall, in the movie version either. Also recall him torn up when his first two cats left, one run over by a truck and the other jumped ship at one island, the island where he got drunk in the aftermath of it, and met his future wife. In fact, I don't recall that Robin even had a rifle on board his boat. I was given Robin's phone number several yars ago but I've never thought to disturb him. My Cal 24 is a near sistership of the Lap 24. It is narrower and has more freeboard. Pretty fast boat actually, I raced against one that was totally restored in the Queen Mary Regatta this summer. Anyway, Robin was a bit traumatized by his voyage, he and his wife bought a ranch in Montana or Wyoming or something like that, like, where people could be shown an anchor and wouldn't know what it was. I'd recommend The Dove as highly as I would Captn' Slocums book. Jerry Marsh Wise <ma… [at] reenactor.net> wrote: Bruce, I hear you. However, it's hard... I could feel bad about the death of anything. Any animal. If I had to kill my own food, I'd be a vegetarian. Just can't think of all this stuff or worry about it all -- it will drive you nuts. I need to concentrate on stuff I can do or need to do (like new bottom paint...). Seriously, I feel for lions, tigers, gorillas, etc. All endangered. i feel for deer, etc. What can you do????? Bruce Stirling wrote: Don't misunderstand my posts about sharks. I am totally on their side and fascinated by them. I got really ticked off when I read Robin Lee Graham's account of Dove's solo around the world and learned he shot a visiting shark, apparently for the fun of it. He was in a Lapworth 24 at the time. Don't particularly want to see the video of them gulping down a pup sea lion, either. I would enjoy watching them eat the crew of a sinking whaler or shark fin fishing boat, though. --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Gerald Sobel <sobel_solar@...> wrote: Bruce, Some nice videos in there..youtube. I like the one of the great white becoming air borne while snatching a tender young seal pup, all in slo-mo. Then there is the plump young woman who survives but gives her leg to the shark for dinner. Woops! Let's see, for every human shark victim there's how many sharks killed for dinner (altho I don't see shark steak much these day, having been critically depleted?) killed for trophies (see who can catch the biggest Mako, like here in Marina del Rey), by-catch on long lines, or suffocating on the bottom with their fins having been sliced off for shark fin soup at a fancy restaurant? Totally shameful. Jerry Bruce Stirling <bruce@...> wrote: I just came across this video of two sharks taking on a surfer in the middle of a wave. Pretty spooky. He makes it out OK. <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lgfRQi8Pls> -- Marsh Wise Webmaster: -reenactor.Net: http://www.reenactor.net/ -Foresthill.us: http://www.foresthill.us/ -Legio IX Hispana Penna: http://www.reenactor.net/units/legio_ix_penna/ - 17. Luftwaffe Feld-Division <http://www.reenactor.net/units/17lwfd/> Assistant Webmaster: -VAQ-33 Squadron site: http://www.reenactor.net/vaq-33/ Proud Member (meaning I can just have fun...) -LEGIO IX HISPANA COH III Penna Chapter: http://www.legio-ix-hispana.org/ Netscape Aim/AOL screen name: Sturmkatze Yahoo Messenger screen name: sturmkatze Alteris renumera duplum de quoquo tibi numeraverunt Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.... But then I repeat myself. ~Mark Twain *Last: Hey Dammit! Have you visited the reenactor.Net FORvMS? If not, WHY NOT? Gett your butt over to: http://www.reenactor.net/forums/index.php right now!

I have the National Geographic CD collection, which has Robin's account of his adventures back in 1964 (I think). It mentioned he had a .22 cal. weapon, and that he shot and killed a shark out in the middle of nowhere, apparently because it was there. No reason was given for killing the shark, other than it was present. Maybe it was the same shark that ate his cat. That part was not mentioned, although the articles did mention the two kittens he took onboard, and that one jumped ship. I did not recall reading that one was eaten by a shark. I have cats, and that would have upset me, too. I can't remember if the .22 was a rifle or a pistol. It does mention meeting his wife in some foreign locale. From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Gerald Sobel Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 12:52 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats]Robin on the Dove, was. Re: Two Sharks Attack Surfer on Video(Bruce) I don't recall Robin shooting any shark. I do remember his last pet cat falling off the main boom and falling into the water and being gobbled up by sharks trailing the boats wake, and him being devastated by it even tho he and the cat didn't get along so well. I'd have to get hold of a copy to know for sure, anyone have one? It's not, I don't recall, in the movie version either. Also recall him torn up when his first two cats left, one run over by a truck and the other jumped ship at one island, the island where he got drunk in the aftermath of it, and met his future wife. In fact, I don't recall that Robin even had a rifle on board his boat. I was given Robin's phone number several yars ago but I've never thought to disturb him. My Cal 24 is a near sistership of the Lap 24. It is narrower and has more freeboard. Pretty fast boat actually, I raced against one that was totally restored in the Queen Mary Regatta this summer. Anyway, Robin was a bit traumatized by his voyage, he and his wife bought a ranch in Montana or Wyoming or something like that, like, where people could be shown an anchor and wouldn't know what it was. I'd recommend The Dove as highly as I would Captn' Slocums book. Jerry Marsh Wise <ma… [at] reenactor.net> wrote: Bruce, I hear you. However, it's hard... I could feel bad about the death of anything. Any animal. If I had to kill my own food, I'd be a vegetarian. Just can't think of all this stuff or worry about it all -- it will drive you nuts. I need to concentrate on stuff I can do or need to do (like new bottom paint...). Seriously, I feel for lions, tigers, gorillas, etc. All endangered. i feel for deer, etc. What can you do????? Bruce Stirling wrote: Don't misunderstand my posts about sharks. I am totally on their sideand fascinated by them. I got really ticked off when I read Robin LeeGraham's account of Dove's solo around the world and learned he shot avisiting shark, apparently for the fun of it. He was in a Lapworth 24at the time. Don't particularly want to see the video of them gulpingdown a pup sea lion, either. I would enjoy watching them eat the crewof a sinking whaler or shark fin fishing boat, though.--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Gerald Sobel <sobel_solar@...> wrote: Bruce,Some nice videos in there..youtube. I like the one of the great white becoming air borne while snatching a tender young seal pup, allin slo-mo. Then there is the plump young woman who survives but givesher leg to the shark for dinner. Woops! Let's see, for every human shark victim there's how many sharks killed for dinner (altho I don't see shark steak much these day,having been critically depleted?) killed for trophies (see who cancatch the biggest Mako, like here in Marina del Rey), by-catch on longlines, or suffocating on the bottom with their fins having been slicedoff for shark fin soup at a fancy restaurant? Totally shameful. JerryBruce Stirling <bruce@...> wrote: I just came across this video of two sharks taking on a surfer in the middle of a wave. Pretty spooky. He makes it out OK. <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lgfRQi8Pls> Yahoo! Groups Links -- Marsh WiseWebmaster:-reenactor.Net: http://www.reenactor.net/ -Foresthill.us: http://www.foresthill.us/ -Legio IX Hispana Penna: http://www.reenactor.net/units/legio_ix_penna/ - 17. Luftwaffe Feld-Division <http://www.reenactor.net/units/17lwfd/> Assistant Webmaster: -VAQ-33 Squadron site: http://www.reenactor.net/vaq-33/ Proud Member (meaning I can just have fun...) -LEGIO IX HISPANA COH III Penna Chapter: http://www.legio-ix-hispana.org/ Netscape Aim/AOL screen name: Sturmkatze Yahoo Messenger screen name: sturmkatze Alteris renumera duplum de quoquo tibi numeraverunt Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.... But then I repeat myself. ~Mark Twain *Last: Hey Dammit! Have you visited the reenactor.Net FORvMS? If not, WHY NOT? Gett your butt over to: http://www.reenactor.net/forums/index.php right now!

Bruce Stirling wrote: > > I just came across this video of two sharks taking on a surfer in the > middle of a wave. Pretty spooky. He makes it out OK. > Bruce: I sent you some comments off-list since they weren't really sailing related but they bounced back. Do you have a new or better e-mail address? Chris Campbell

I read it again last fall. He DID have a .22 rifle and he does talk about shooting a shark and how much he hated them. I don't remember a shark eating his cat, but they did disappear and get run over, etc. I also found his second book thru amazon used books (okay, I'm wierd and I like to read)... alas, it's not much about sailing. Basically, after his voyage, he realized he wasn't into normal life and he and his wife A: discovered Jesus and B: moved to Montana where they thought they'd be settlers. They built alog cabin, had hardships, lots and lots of God talk, etc. etc. Basically, just a book about their lives. Way different than The Dove. How's that? Marsh Gerald Sobel wrote: > I don't recall Robin shooting any shark. I do remember his last pet > cat falling off the main boom and falling into the water and being > gobbled up by sharks trailing the boats wake, and him being devastated > by it even tho he and the cat didn't get along so well. I'd have to > get hold of a copy to know for sure, anyone have one? > It's not, I don't recall, in the movie version either. Also recall him > torn up when his first two cats left, one run over by a truck and the > other jumped ship at one island, the island where he got drunk in the > aftermath of it, and met his future wife. In fact, I don't recall that > Robin even had a rifle on board his boat. I was given Robin's phone > number several yars ago but I've never thought to disturb him. My Cal > 24 is a near sistership of the Lap 24. It is narrower and has more > freeboard. Pretty fast boat actually, I raced against one that was > totally restored in the Queen Mary Regatta this summer. > > Anyway, Robin was a bit traumatized by his voyage, he and his wife > bought a ranch in Montana or Wyoming or something like that, like, > where people could be shown an anchor and wouldn't know what it was. > > I'd recommend The Dove as highly as I would Captn' Slocums book. > Jerry > > > Marsh Wise <ma… [at] reenactor.net> wrote: > > Bruce, I hear you. However, it's hard... I could feel bad about > the death of anything. Any animal. If I had to kill my own food, > I'd be a vegetarian. Just can't think of all this stuff or worry > about it all -- it will drive you nuts. I need to concentrate on > stuff I can do or need to do (like new bottom paint...). > Seriously, I feel for lions, tigers, gorillas, etc. All > endangered. i feel for deer, etc. What can you do????? > > Bruce Stirling wrote: > >>Don't misunderstand my posts about sharks. I am totally on their side >>and fascinated by them. I got really ticked off when I read Robin Lee >>Graham's account of Dove's solo around the world and learned he shot a >>visiting shark, apparently for the fun of it. He was in a Lapworth 24 >>at the time. Don't particularly want to see the video of them gulping >>down a pup sea lion, either. I would enjoy watching them eat the crew >>of a sinking whaler or shark fin fishing boat, though. >> >>--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Gerald Sobel <sobel_solar@...> wrote: >> >> >>>Bruce, >>>Some nice videos in there..youtube. I like the one of the great >>> >>> >>white becoming air borne while snatching a tender young seal pup, all >>in slo-mo. Then there is the plump young woman who survives but gives >>her leg to the shark for dinner. Woops! >> >> >>>Let's see, for every human shark victim there's how many sharks >>> >>> >>killed for dinner (altho I don't see shark steak much these day, >>having been critically depleted?) killed for trophies (see who can >>catch the biggest Mako, like here in Marina del Rey), by-catch on long >>lines, or suffocating on the bottom with their fins having been sliced >>off for shark fin soup at a fancy restaurant? Totally >> shameful. >> >> >>>Jerry >>> >>>Bruce Stirling <bruce@...> wrote: I >>> >>> >>just came across this video of two sharks taking on a surfer in the >> >> >>> middle of a wave. Pretty spooky. He makes it out OK. >>> >>> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lgfRQi8Pls> >>> >> > >-- >Marsh > Wise >Webmaster: >-reenactor.Net: http://www.reenactor.net/ -Foresthill.us: http://www.foresthill.us/ -Legio IX Hispana Penna: http://www.reenactor.net/units/legio_ix_penna/ - 17. 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yep. I don't recall the shark eating the cat, but he shot one because it was following him. :-0 Bruce Stirling wrote: > I have the National Geographic CD collection, which has Robin's > account of his adventures back in 1964 (I think). It mentioned he had > a .22 cal. weapon, and that he shot and killed a shark out in the > middle of nowhere, apparently because it was there. No reason was > given for killing the shark, other than it was present. Maybe it was > the same shark that ate his cat. That part was not mentioned, > although the articles did mention the two kittens he took onboard, and > that one jumped ship. I did not recall reading that one was eaten by > a shark. I have cats, and that would have upset me, too. I can't > remember if the .22 was a rifle or a pistol. It does mention meeting > his wife in some foreign locale. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On > Behalf Of Gerald Sobel > Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 12:52 AM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats]Robin on the Dove, was. Re: Two Sharks Attack > Surfer on Video(Bruce) > > I don't recall Robin shooting any shark. I do remember his last pet > cat falling off the main boom and falling into the water and being > gobbled up by sharks trailing the boats wake, and him being devastated > by it even tho he and the cat didn't get along so well. I'd have to > get hold of a copy to know for sure, anyone have one? > It's not, I don't recall, in the movie version either. Also recall him > torn up when his first two cats left, one run over by a truck and the > other jumped ship at one island, the island where he got drunk in the > aftermath of it, and met his future wife. In fact, I don't recall that > Robin even had a rifle on board his boat. I was given Robin's phone > number several yars ago but I've never thought to disturb him. My Cal > 24 is a near sistership of the Lap 24. It is narrower and has more > freeboard. Pretty fast boat actually, I raced against one that was > totally restored in the Queen Mary Regatta this summer. > > Anyway, Robin was a bit traumatized by his voyage, he and his wife > bought a ranch in Montana or Wyoming or something like that, like, > where people could be shown an anchor and wouldn't know what it was. > > I'd recommend The Dove as highly as I would Captn' Slocums book. > Jerry > > > Marsh Wise <ma… [at] reenactor.net> wrote: > > Bruce, I hear you. However, it's hard... I could feel bad about > the death of anything. Any animal. If I had to kill my own food, > I'd be a vegetarian. Just can't think of all this stuff or worry > about it all -- it will drive you nuts. I need to concentrate on > stuff I can do or need to do (like new bottom paint...). > Seriously, I feel for lions, tigers, gorillas, etc. All > endangered. i feel for deer, etc. What can you do????? > > Bruce Stirling wrote: > >>Don't misunderstand my posts about sharks. I am totally on their side >>and fascinated by them. I got really ticked off when I read Robin Lee >>Graham's account of Dove's solo around the world and learned he shot a >>visiting shark, apparently for the fun of it. He was in a Lapworth 24 >>at the time. Don't particularly want to see the video of them gulping >>down a pup sea lion, either. I would enjoy watching them eat the crew >>of a sinking whaler or shark fin fishing boat, though. >> >>--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Gerald Sobel <sobel_solar@...> wrote: >> >> >>>Bruce, >>>Some nice videos in there..youtube. I like the one of the great >>> >>> >>white becoming air borne while snatching a tender young seal pup, all >>in slo-mo. Then there is the plump young woman who survives but gives >>her leg to the shark for dinner. Woops! >> >> >>>Let's see, for every human shark victim there's how many sharks >>> >>> >>killed for dinner (altho I don't see shark steak much these day, >>having been critically depleted?) killed for trophies (see who can >>catch the biggest Mako, like here in Marina del Rey), by-catch on long >>lines, or suffocating on the bottom with their fins having been sliced >>off for shark fin soup at a fancy restaurant? Totally >> shameful. >> >> >>>Jerry >>> >>>Bruce Stirling <bruce@...> wrote: I >>> >>> >>just came across this video of two sharks taking on a surfer in the >> >> >>> middle of a wave. Pretty spooky. He makes it out OK. >>> >>> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lgfRQi8Pls> >>> >> > >-- >Marsh > Wise >Webmaster: >-reenactor.Net: http://www.reenactor.net/ -Foresthill.us: http://www.foresthill.us/ -Legio IX Hispana Penna: http://www.reenactor.net/units/legio_ix_penna/ - 17. 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I remember eating some magic mushrooms, walking into a super market, and walking part the meat department, and being angry that the packages of chicken pieces didn't have the names of the poor dead chickens on them. Disgraceful! Jerry Marsh Wise <ma… [at] reenactor.net> wrote: yep. I don't recall the shark eating the cat, but he shot one because it was following him. :-0 Bruce Stirling wrote: I have the National Geographic CD collection, which has Robin's account of his adventures back in 1964 (I think). It mentioned he had a .22 cal. weapon, and that he shot and killed a shark out in the middle of nowhere, apparently because it was there. No reason was given for killing the shark, other than it was present. Maybe it was the same shark that ate his cat. That part was not mentioned, although the articles did mention the two kittens he took onboard, and that one jumped ship. I did not recall reading that one was eaten by a shark. I have cats, and that would have upset me, too. I can't remember if the .22 was a rifle or a pistol. It does mention meeting his wife in some foreign locale. -----Original Message----- From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Gerald Sobel Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 12:52 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats]Robin on the Dove, was. Re: Two Sharks Attack Surfer on Video(Bruce) I don't recall Robin shooting any shark. I do remember his last pet cat falling off the main boom and falling into the water and being gobbled up by sharks trailing the boats wake, and him being devastated by it even tho he and the cat didn't get along so well. I'd have to get hold of a copy to know for sure, anyone have one? It's not, I don't recall, in the movie version either. Also recall him torn up when his first two cats left, one run over by a truck and the other jumped ship at one island, the island where he got drunk in the aftermath of it, and met his future wife. In fact, I don't recall that Robin even had a rifle on board his boat. I was given Robin's phone number several yars ago but I've never thought to disturb him. My Cal 24 is a near sistership of the Lap 24. It is narrower and has more freeboard. Pretty fast boat actually, I raced against one that was totally restored in the Queen Mary Regatta this summer. Anyway, Robin was a bit traumatized by his voyage, he and his wife bought a ranch in Montana or Wyoming or something like that, like, where people could be shown an anchor and wouldn't know what it was. I'd recommend The Dove as highly as I would Captn' Slocums book. Jerry Marsh Wise <ma… [at] reenactor.net> wrote: Bruce, I hear you. However, it's hard... I could feel bad about the death of anything. Any animal. If I had to kill my own food, I'd be a vegetarian. Just can't think of all this stuff or worry about it all -- it will drive you nuts. I need to concentrate on stuff I can do or need to do (like new bottom paint...). Seriously, I feel for lions, tigers, gorillas, etc. All endangered. i feel for deer, etc. What can you do????? Bruce Stirling wrote: Don't misunderstand my posts about sharks. I am totally on their side and fascinated by them. I got really ticked off when I read Robin Lee Graham's account of Dove's solo around the world and learned he shot a visiting shark, apparently for the fun of it. He was in a Lapworth 24 at the time. Don't particularly want to see the video of them gulping down a pup sea lion, either. I would enjoy watching them eat the crew of a sinking whaler or shark fin fishing boat, though. --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Gerald Sobel <sobel_solar@...> wrote: Bruce, Some nice videos in there..youtube. I like the one of the great white becoming air borne while snatching a tender young seal pup, all in slo-mo. Then there is the plump young woman who survives but gives her leg to the shark for dinner. Woops! Let's see, for every human shark victim there's how many sharks killed for dinner (altho I don't see shark steak much these day, having been critically depleted?) killed for trophies (see who can catch the biggest Mako, like here in Marina del Rey), by-catch on long lines, or suffocating on the bottom with their fins having been sliced off for shark fin soup at a fancy restaurant? Totally shameful. Jerry Bruce Stirling <bruce@...> wrote: I just came across this video of two sharks taking on a surfer in the middle of a wave. Pretty spooky. He makes it out OK. <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lgfRQi8Pls> -- Marsh Wise Webmaster: -reenactor.Net: http://www.reenactor.net/ -Foresthill.us: http://www.foresthill.us/ -Legio IX Hispana Penna: http://www.reenactor.net/units/legio_ix_penna/ - 17. 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And that was just last week. What kind of stuff did you do back in the 60s, Jerry? Yarr Harr Harr :P On the other hand, they say if you remember the 60s you weren't really "there." David Wilkie Owen Cal 2-29 "Mariposa" Santa Barbara, CA http://www.mariposasailing.com From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gerald Sobel Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 9:31 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] DEATH OF ANYTHING I remember eating some magic mushrooms, walking into a super market, and walking part the meat department, and being angry that the packages of chicken pieces didn't have the names of the poor dead chickens on them. Disgraceful! Jerry <snip>

David, As the "Great Communicator" once said, "Hmmm???? I don't.. remember". If you remember the 60's, you wasn't there. Jerry "David W. Owen" <dw… [at] cox.net> wrote: And that was just last week. What kind of stuff did you do back in the 60s, Jerry? Yarr Harr Harr :P On the other hand, they say if you remember the 60s you weren't really "there." David Wilkie Owen _________________ Cal 2-29 "Mariposa" Santa Barbara, CA http://www.mariposasailing.com -----Original Message----- From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gerald Sobel Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 9:31 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] DEATH OF ANYTHING I remember eating some magic mushrooms, walking into a super market, and walking part the meat department, and being angry that the packages of chicken pieces didn't have the names of the poor dead chickens on them. Disgraceful! Jerry <snip>

Marsh, I was with you until you mentioned deer. In northeastern Illinois they are a pest. But they're big! They're big pests. They eat my wife's garden, they eat our roses, they crap all over my yard, they eat my spruce tree. They're beautiful, but there are too many of them. I don't live in the country, I live in a close suburb of Chicago, but I live among what we call "Forest Preserves", which are natural areas, dedicated to remain natural forever. Our county has a lot of them, they ring Chicago, but you can't hunt in them. It's funny, I'm a cross-country skier in the winter, and I go to many places here and in Canada, and I always see more wildlife here locally than I do even in Montana or Maine. If you're interested go to chicagowilderness.org to see what is possible in a large metropolitan area. Regards, David Dobbs Cal29 411 Marsh Wise <ma… [at] reenactor.net> wrote: Bruce, I hear you. However, it's hard... I could feel bad about the death of anything. Any animal. If I had to kill my own food, I'd be a vegetarian. Just can't think of all this stuff or worry about it all -- it will drive you nuts. I need to concentrate on stuff I can do or need to do (like new bottom paint...). Seriously, I feel for lions, tigers, gorillas, etc. All endangered. i feel for deer, etc. What can you do????? Bruce Stirling wrote: Don't misunderstand my posts about sharks. I am totally on their side and fascinated by them. I got really ticked off when I read Robin Lee Graham's account of Dove's solo around the world and learned he shot a visiting shark, apparently for the fun of it. He was in a Lapworth 24 at the time. Don't particularly want to see the video of them gulping down a pup sea lion, either. I would enjoy watching them eat the crew of a sinking whaler or shark fin fishing boat, though. --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Gerald Sobel <sobel_solar@...> wrote: Bruce, Some nice videos in there..youtube. I like the one of the great white becoming air borne while snatching a tender young seal pup, all in slo-mo. Then there is the plump young woman who survives but gives her leg to the shark for dinner. Woops! Let's see, for every human shark victim there's how many sharks killed for dinner (altho I don't see shark steak much these day, having been critically depleted?) killed for trophies (see who can catch the biggest Mako, like here in Marina del Rey), by-catch on long lines, or suffocating on the bottom with their fins having been sliced off for shark fin soup at a fancy restaurant? Totally shameful. Jerry Bruce Stirling <bruce@...> wrote: I just came across this video of two sharks taking on a surfer in the middle of a wave. Pretty spooky. He makes it out OK. <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lgfRQi8Pls> -- Marsh Wise Webmaster: -reenactor.Net: http://www.reenactor.net/ -Foresthill.us: http://www.foresthill.us/ -Legio IX Hispana Penna: http://www.reenactor.net/units/legio_ix_penna/ - 17. Luftwaffe Feld-Division <http://www.reenactor.net/units/17lwfd/> Assistant Webmaster: -VAQ-33 Squadron site: http://www.reenactor.net/vaq-33/ Proud Member (meaning I can just have fun...) -LEGIO IX HISPANA COH III Penna Chapter: http://www.legio-ix-hispana.org/ Netscape Aim/AOL screen name: Sturmkatze Yahoo Messenger screen name: sturmkatze Alteris renumera duplum de quoquo tibi numeraverunt Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.... But then I repeat myself. ~Mark Twain *Last: Hey Dammit! Have you visited the reenactor.Net FORvMS? If not, WHY NOT? Gett your butt over to: http://www.reenactor.net/forums/index.php right now! --------------------------------- Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games.

Jerry and David, If you lived through the sixties, especially if you were military I think you remember it very well. I was lucky to not have to serve in Nam. I did serve in an ICBM unit during the Cuban Missile crisis, and can tell you that our missiles were targeted and ready, and would have gone to their targets. We were scared, because we knew those WMDs would work. We were good at our jobs, those birds would fly. And yet our motto was "Peace is our Profession" Deterence by being strong was the key. It worked and the evil empire fell. Much easier than what we have today! Regards, David Dobbs, former A1C, 567 Strategic Missile Squadron, Fairchild AFB, Wa. Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: David, As the "Great Communicator" once said, "Hmmm???? I don't.. remember". If you remember the 60's, you wasn't there. Jerry "David W. Owen" <dw… [at] cox.net> wrote: And that was just last week. What kind of stuff did you do back in the 60s, Jerry? Yarr Harr Harr :P On the other hand, they say if you remember the 60s you weren't really "there." David Wilkie Owen Cal 2-29 "Mariposa" Santa Barbara, CA http://www.mariposasailing.com From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gerald Sobel Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 9:31 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] DEATH OF ANYTHING I remember eating some magic mushrooms, walking into a super market, and walking part the meat department, and being angry that the packages of chicken pieces didn't have the names of the poor dead chickens on them. Disgraceful! Jerry <snip> --------------------------------- Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel.

Nooooooooooooooooooooo, I think deer are insects with fur. I just don't need to hunt them. I know there are too many -- I'm just not gonna be the one to shoot them -- does that make sense? Hell, I hit one in my pickup in Kansas last Fall :-0 $1216. later, it still needs some work... Best, Marsh david dobbs wrote: > Marsh, > I was with you until you mentioned deer. In northeastern Illinois > they are a pest. But they're big! They're big pests. They eat my > wife's garden, they eat our roses, they crap all over my yard, they > eat my spruce tree. They're beautiful, but there are too many of > them. I don't live in the country, I live in a close suburb of > Chicago, but I live among what we call "Forest Preserves", which are > natural areas, dedicated to remain natural forever. Our county has a > lot of them, they ring Chicago, but you can't hunt in them. It's > funny, I'm a cross-country skier in the winter, and I go to many > places here and in Canada, and I always see more wildlife here locally > than I do even in Montana or Maine. If you're interested go > to chicagowilderness.org to see what is possible in a large > metropolitan area. > > Regards, > David Dobbs > Cal29 411 > > > Marsh Wise <ma… [at] reenactor.net> wrote: > > Bruce, I hear you. However, it's hard... I could feel bad about > the death of anything. Any animal. If I had to kill my own food, > I'd be a vegetarian. Just can't think of all this stuff or worry > about it all -- it will drive you nuts. I need to concentrate on > stuff I can do or need to do (like new bottom paint...). > Seriously, I feel for lions, tigers, gorillas, etc. All > endangered. i feel for deer, etc. What can you do????? > > Bruce Stirling wrote: > >>Don't misunderstand my posts about sharks. I am totally on their side and fascinated by them. I got really ticked off when I read Robin Lee Graham's account of Dove's solo around the world and learned he shot a visiting shark, apparently for the fun of it. He was in a Lapworth 24 at the time. Don't particularly want to see the video of them gulping down a pup sea lion, either. I would enjoy watching them eat the crew of a sinking whaler or shark fin fishing boat, though. --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Gerald Sobel <sobel_solar@...> wrote: >> >>>Bruce, Some nice videos in there..youtube. I like the one of the great >>> >>white becoming air >> borne while snatching a tender young seal pup, all in slo-mo. Then there is the plump young woman who survives but gives her leg to the shark for dinner. Woops! >> >>>Let's see, for every human shark victim there's how many sharks >>> >>killed for dinner (altho I don't see shark steak much these day, having been critically depleted?) killed for trophies (see who can catch the biggest Mako, like here in Marina del Rey), by-catch on long lines, or suffocating on the bottom with their fins having been sliced off for shark fin soup at a fancy restaurant? Totally shameful. >> >>>Jerry Bruce Stirling <bruce@...> wrote: I >>> >>just came across this video of two sharks taking on a surfer in the >> >>> middle of a wave. Pretty spooky. He makes it out OK. <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lgfRQi8Pls> >>> > >-- Marsh Wise Webmaster: -reenactor.Net: http://www.reenactor.net/ -Foresthill.us: http://www.foresthill.us/ -Legio IX Hispana Penna: http://www.reenactor.net/units/legio_ix_penna/ - 17. 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Marsh, We need to grow more carnivores, wolves and mountain lions, Not only will they take care of maintaining a healthy deer population, a healthy forest, but cut down on the vast overpopulation of mentally and morally deficient humanoids, and particularly cure the plague of littering graffiti artists that deface our buildings and sidewalks everyday. They took my girlfriend's decent neighborhood in the "Valley" and turned it into a blighted dump. Gee, are we getting too political? Uh Oh. But just think, clean neighborhoods, less screaming, undisciplined and unsupervised kids smacking their skate boards on your street, and less traffic on the highways, why, it will solve the energy crises too! And just think, it all started with Sharks, bad sharks!...naughtickle content. Oh, BTW, soaring Condor Vultures overhead seeking leftovers be quieter than the hack hack hack of droning police choppers late at night, and far less costly. It's a win win win situation! Jerry Marsh Wise <ma… [at] reenactor.net> wrote: Nooooooooooooooooooooo, I think deer are insects with fur. I just don't need to hunt them. I know there are too many -- I'm just not gonna be the one to shoot them -- does that make sense? Hell, I hit one in my pickup in Kansas last Fall :-0 $1216. later, it still needs some work... Best, Marsh david dobbs wrote: Marsh, I was with you until you mentioned deer. In northeastern Illinois they are a pest. But they're big! They're big pests. They eat my wife's garden, they eat our roses, they crap all over my yard, they eat my spruce tree. They're beautiful, but there are too many of them. I don't live in the country, I live in a close suburb of Chicago, but I live among what we call "Forest Preserves", which are natural areas, dedicated to remain natural forever. Our county has a lot of them, they ring Chicago, but you can't hunt in them. It's funny, I'm a cross-country skier in the winter, and I go to many places here and in Canada, and I always see more wildlife here locally than I do even in Montana or Maine. If you're interested go to chicagowilderness.org to see what is possible in a large metropolitan area. Regards, David Dobbs Cal29 411 Marsh Wise <ma… [at] reenactor.net> wrote: Bruce, I hear you. However, it's hard... I could feel bad about the death of anything. Any animal. If I had to kill my own food, I'd be a vegetarian. Just can't think of all this stuff or worry about it all -- it will drive you nuts. I need to concentrate on stuff I can do or need to do (like new bottom paint...). Seriously, I feel for lions, tigers, gorillas, etc. All endangered. i feel for deer, etc. What can you do????? Bruce Stirling wrote: Don't misunderstand my posts about sharks. I am totally on their side and fascinated by them. I got really ticked off when I read Robin Lee Graham's account of Dove's solo around the world and learned he shot a visiting shark, apparently for the fun of it. He was in a Lapworth 24 at the time. Don't particularly want to see the video of them gulping down a pup sea lion, either. I would enjoy watching them eat the crew of a sinking whaler or shark fin fishing boat, though. --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Gerald Sobel <sobel_solar@...> wrote: Bruce, Some nice videos in there..youtube. I like the one of the great white becoming air borne while snatching a tender young seal pup, all in slo-mo. Then there is the plump young woman who survives but gives her leg to the shark for dinner. Woops! Let's see, for every human shark victim there's how many sharks killed for dinner (altho I don't see shark steak much these day, having been critically depleted?) killed for trophies (see who can catch the biggest Mako, like here in Marina del Rey), by-catch on long lines, or suffocating on the bottom with their fins having been sliced off for shark fin soup at a fancy restaurant? Totally shameful. Jerry Bruce Stirling <bruce@...> wrote: I just came across this video of two sharks taking on a surfer in the middle of a wave. Pretty spooky. He makes it out OK. <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lgfRQi8Pls> -- Marsh Wise Webmaster: -reenactor.Net: http://www.reenactor.net/ -Foresthill.us: http://www.foresthill.us/ -Legio IX Hispana Penna: http://www.reenactor.net/units/legio_ix_penna/ - 17. Luftwaffe Feld-Division <http://www.reenactor.net/units/17lwfd/> Assistant Webmaster: -VAQ-33 Squadron site: http://www.reenactor.net/vaq-33/ Proud Member (meaning I can just have fun...) -LEGIO IX HISPANA COH III Penna Chapter: http://www.legio-ix-hispana.org/ Netscape Aim/AOL screen name: Sturmkatze Yahoo Messenger screen name: sturmkatze Alteris renumera duplum de quoquo tibi numeraverunt Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.... But then I repeat myself. ~Mark Twain *Last: Hey Dammit! Have you visited the reenactor.Net FORvMS? If not, WHY NOT? Gett your butt over to: http://www.reenactor.net/forums/index.php right now! --------------------------------- Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. -- Marsh Wise Webmaster: -reenactor.Net: http://www.reenactor.net/ -Foresthill.us: http://www.foresthill.us/ -Legio IX Hispana Penna: http://www.reenactor.net/units/legio_ix_penna/ - 17. 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Sorry dude, I don't like mountain lions... AT ALL! Gerald Sobel wrote: > Marsh, > We need to grow more carnivores, wolves and mountain lions, Not only > will they take care of maintaining a healthy deer population, a > healthy forest, but cut down on the vast overpopulation of mentally > and morally deficient humanoids, and particularly cure the plague of > littering graffiti artists that deface our buildings and sidewalks > everyday. They took my girlfriend's decent neighborhood in the > "Valley" and turned it into a blighted dump. Gee, are we getting too > political? Uh Oh. But just think, clean neighborhoods, less screaming, > undisciplined and unsupervised kids smacking their skate boards on > your street, and less traffic on the highways, why, it will solve the > energy crises too! And just think, it all started with Sharks, bad > sharks!...naughtickle content. > Oh, BTW, soaring Condor Vultures overhead seeking leftovers be quieter > than the hack hack hack of droning police choppers late at night, and > far less costly. It's a win win win situation! > Jerry > > > Marsh Wise <ma… [at] reenactor.net> wrote: > > Nooooooooooooooooooooo, I think deer are insects with fur. I just > don't need to hunt them. I know there are too many -- I'm just not > gonna be the one to shoot them -- does that make sense? Hell, I > hit one in my pickup in Kansas last Fall :-0 $1216. later, it > still needs some work... > Best, Marsh > > david dobbs wrote: > >> Marsh, >> I was with you until you mentioned deer. In northeastern >> Illinois they are a pest. But they're big! They're big pests. >> They eat my wife's garden, they eat our roses, they crap all over >> my yard, they eat my spruce tree. They're beautiful, but there >> are too many of them. I don't live in the country, I live in a >> close suburb of Chicago, but I live among what we call >> "Forest Preserves", which are natural areas, dedicated to remain >> natural forever. Our county has a lot of them, they ring >> Chicago, but you can't hunt in them. It's funny, I'm a >> cross-country skier in the winter, and I go to many places here >> and in Canada, and I always see more wildlife here locally than I >> do even in Montana or Maine. If you're interested go >> to chicagowilderness.org to see what is possible in a large >> metropolitan area. >> >> Regards, >> David Dobbs >> Cal29 411 >> >> >> Marsh Wise <ma… [at] reenactor.net> wrote: >> >> Bruce, I hear you. However, it's hard... I could feel bad >> about the death of anything. Any animal. If I had to kill my >> own food, I'd be a vegetarian. Just can't think of all this >> stuff or worry about it all -- it will drive you nuts. I need >> to concentrate on stuff I can do or need to do (like new >> bottom paint...). Seriously, I feel for lions, tigers, >> gorillas, etc. All endangered. i feel for deer, etc. What can >> you do????? >> >> Bruce Stirling wrote: >> >>>Don't misunderstand my posts about sharks. I am totally on their side and fascinated by >>> them. I got really ticked off when I read Robin Lee Graham's account of Dove's solo around the world and learned he shot a visiting shark, apparently for the fun of it. He was in a Lapworth 24 at the time. Don't particularly want to see the video of them gulping down a pup sea lion, either. I would enjoy watching them eat the crew of a sinking whaler or shark fin fishing boat, though. --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Gerald Sobel <sobel_solar@...> wrote: >>> >>>>Bruce, Some nice videos in there..youtube. I like the one of the great >>>> >>>white becoming air >>> borne while snatching a tender young seal pup, all in slo-mo. Then there is the plump young woman who survives but gives her leg to the >>> shark for dinner. Woops! >>> >>>>Let's see, for every human shark victim there's how many sharks >>>> >>>killed for dinner (altho I don't see shark steak much these day, having been critically depleted?) killed for trophies (see who can catch the biggest Mako, like here in Marina del Rey), by-catch on long lines, or suffocating on the bottom with their fins having been sliced off for shark fin soup at a fancy restaurant? Totally shameful. >>> >>>>Jerry Bruce Stirling <bruce@...> wrote: I >>>> >>>just came across this video of two sharks taking on a surfer in the >>> >>>> middle of a wave. Pretty spooky. He makes >>>> it out OK. <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lgfRQi8Pls> >>>> >>-- Marsh Wise Webmaster: -reenactor.Net: http://www.reenactor.net/ -Foresthill.us: http://www.foresthill.us/ -Legio IX Hispana Penna: http://www.reenactor.net/units/legio_ix_penna/ - 17. 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Send them to bruce @ stirlinglaw.com and remove the spaces. Had the same email since at least 1997. Should work. I get hundreds everyday. Can hardly keep up. From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Chris Campbell Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 8:52 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Two Sharks Attack Surfer on Video Bruce Stirling wrote: I just came across this video of two sharks taking on a surfer in the middle of a wave. Pretty spooky. He makes it out OK. Bruce: I sent you some comments off-list since they weren't really sailing related but they bounced back. Do you have a new or better e-mail address? Chris Campbell

david dobbs wrote: > Marsh, > I was with you until you mentioned deer. In northeastern Illinois > they are a pest. But they're big! They're big pests. They eat my > wife's garden, they eat our roses, they crap all over my yard, they > eat my spruce tree. They're beautiful, but there are too many of them. David: You and I can be charter members of the Deer Extermination Society. Here in Michigan we're overrun with them. The DNR raises them for hunters by forestry practices and the population has soared--far in excess of historic numbers. The car-deer accidentsa are way up (greatest in urban areas). They eat everything, severely depressing native vegetation. I pass by a small area that's a stormwater runoff holding area, located in a rural area. It's fenced, and inside there's all sorts of plants and shrubs and trees sprouting up. Outside it's barren, a desert landscape by comparison. I keep hoping that some form of deer AIDS or other plague will strike them. There was the threat of a deer TB epidemic but it seems to have dissipated. Too bad. I would rather have them be uncommon, and a thrill to see, than swarming around us and a pest. I can worry about all this since my boat was hauled yesterday.... Chris Campbell who would rather be sailing

Western Montana. still here. Reggie >From: Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> >Reply-To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats]Robin on the Dove, was. Re: Two Sharks Attack >Surfer on Video(Bruce) >Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 00:52:18 -0700 (PDT) > >I don't recall Robin shooting any shark. I do remember his last pet cat >falling off the main boom and falling into the water and being gobbled up >by sharks trailing the boats wake, and him being devastated by it even tho >he and the cat didn't get along so well. I'd have to get hold of a copy to >know for sure, anyone have one? >It's not, I don't recall, in the movie version either. Also recall him torn >up when his first two cats left, one run over by a truck and the other >jumped ship at one island, the island where he got drunk in the aftermath >of it, and met his future wife. In fact, I don't recall that Robin even had >a rifle on board his boat. I was given Robin's phone number several yars >ago but I've never thought to disturb him. My Cal 24 is a near sistership >of the Lap 24. It is narrower and has more freeboard. Pretty fast boat >actually, I raced against one that was totally restored in the Queen Mary >Regatta this summer. > >Anyway, Robin was a bit traumatized by his voyage, he and his wife bought a >ranch in Montana or Wyoming or something like that, like, where people >could be shown an anchor and wouldn't know what it was. > >I'd recommend The Dove as highly as I would Captn' Slocums book. >Jerry > > >Marsh Wise <ma… [at] reenactor.net> wrote: >Bruce, I hear you. However, it's hard... I could feel bad about the death >of anything. Any animal. If I had to kill my own food, I'd be a vegetarian. >Just can't think of all this stuff or worry about it all -- it will drive >you nuts. I need to concentrate on stuff I can do or need to do (like new >bottom paint...). Seriously, I feel for lions, tigers, gorillas, etc. All >endangered. i feel for deer, etc. What can you do????? > > Bruce Stirling wrote: > > >Don't misunderstand my posts about sharks. I am totally on their side >and fascinated by them. I got really ticked off when I read Robin Lee >Graham's account of Dove's solo around the world and learned he shot a >visiting shark, apparently for the fun of it. He was in a Lapworth 24 >at the time. Don't particularly want to see the video of them gulping >down a pup sea lion, either. I would enjoy watching them eat the crew >of a sinking whaler or shark fin fishing boat, though. > >--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Gerald Sobel <sobel_solar@...> wrote: > > >Bruce, >Some nice videos in there..youtube. I like the one of the great > > >white becoming air borne while snatching a tender young seal pup, all >in slo-mo. Then there is the plump young woman who survives but gives >her leg to the shark for dinner. Woops! > > >Let's see, for every human shark victim there's how many sharks > > >killed for dinner (altho I don't see shark steak much these day, >having been critically depleted?) killed for trophies (see who can >catch the biggest Mako, like here in Marina del Rey), by-catch on long >lines, or suffocating on the bottom with their fins having been sliced >off for shark fin soup at a fancy restaurant? Totally shameful. > > >Jerry > >Bruce Stirling <bruce@...> wrote: I > > >just came across this video of two sharks taking on a surfer in the > > > middle of a wave. Pretty spooky. He makes it out OK. > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lgfRQi8Pls> > > >-- >Marsh Wise >Webmaster: >-reenactor.Net: http://www.reenactor.net/ -Foresthill.us: >http://www.foresthill.us/ -Legio IX Hispana Penna: >http://www.reenactor.net/units/legio_ix_penna/ - 17. Luftwaffe >Feld-Division <http://www.reenactor.net/units/17lwfd/> Assistant >Webmaster: -VAQ-33 Squadron site: http://www.reenactor.net/vaq-33/ Proud >Member (meaning I can just have fun...) -LEGIO IX HISPANA COH III Penna >Chapter: http://www.legio-ix-hispana.org/ Netscape Aim/AOL screen name: >Sturmkatze Yahoo Messenger screen name: sturmkatze Alteris renumera >duplum de quoquo tibi numeraverunt Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose >you were a member of Congress.... But then I repeat myself. ~Mark Twain >*Last: Hey Dammit! Have you visited the reenactor.Net FORvMS? If not, WHY >NOT? Gett your butt over to: http://www.reenactor.net/forums/index.php >right now! > > > Kick back and relax with hot games and cool activities at the Messenger Caf�. http://www.cafemessenger.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_SeptHMtagline1

If you think the surfer and the two sharks was fun, try this one, beats it by a mile! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nza6d7-8NDc Jerry