Cal 20 on Ebay - Just a dollar as of this moment

Check her out here. Boat is in New York. <http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1-No-Reserve-1968-CAL-20-Sailboat-last-used-in-2006_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ63730QQihZ018QQitemZ280152907724QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW#ebayphotohosting>

Bruce Stirling wrote: > > Check her out here. Boat is in New York. > > <http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1-No-Reserve-1968-CAL-20-Sailboat-last-used-in-2006_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ63730QQihZ018QQitemZ280152907724QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW#ebayphotohosting > <http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1-No-Reserve-1968-CAL-20-Sailboat-last-used-in-2006_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ63730QQihZ018QQitemZ280152907724QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW#ebayphotohosting>> > > Hey, east coast Cal folks, tell your friends about this opportunity. The listing suggests that the boat is actually in NJ, so maybe the seller is located in NY. I looked at the photos and there's no sign of the dreaded deck core rot in them. It's the one big caution, it seems to me. Other things like spreader brackets, standing rigging, and keel bolts are easy to deal with. I didn't see anything about sail complement nor do i recall seeing a photo of the mast & boom. Chris Campbell Cal 20 lover

And no engine. The boat looks "used" but OK in the pictures. The one picture of a bit of the inside also looks "used", but mostly a cosmetic repair. Important to check for the cabin floor to see if it spent any time awash. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Campbell Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 3:45 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 20 on Ebay - Just a dollar as of this moment Bruce Stirling wrote: Check her out here. Boat is in New York. <http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1-No-Reserve-1968-CAL-20-Sailboat-last-u sed-in-2006_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ63730QQihZ018QQitemZ280152907724Q QrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW#ebayphotohosting <http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1-No-Reserve-1968-CAL-20-Sailboat-last-u sed-in-2006_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ63730QQihZ018QQitemZ280152907724Q QrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW#ebayphotohosting> > Hey, east coast Cal folks, tell your friends about this opportunity. The listing suggests that the boat is actually in NJ, so maybe the seller is located in NY. I looked at the photos and there's no sign of the dreaded deck core rot in them. It's the one big caution, it seems to me. Other things like spreader brackets, standing rigging, and keel bolts are easy to deal with. I didn't see anything about sail complement nor do i recall seeing a photo of the mast & boom. Chris Campbell Cal 20 lover

Husar, Charlie wrote: > > And no engine. The boat looks "used" but OK in the pictures. The one > picture of a bit of the inside also looks "used", but mostly a > cosmetic repair. Important to check for the cabin floor to see if it > spent any time awash. > Yes, but interior repairs are light years easier than recoring decks. I'm always surprised when people leave boats unattended and unexamined. They always end up full of water. Cockpit drains and scuppers clog up and the boat fills and the owner doesn't notice. These things always make me reconsider my opposition to the death penalty. It's especially a problem with boats using no bridge deck and a companionway threshold that's lower than other cockpit outlets. When the drains plug up and water builds, it eventually overflows into the interior. Big mess. Green mess. But the Cal 20, with relatively little structural plywood inside, is less damaged by flooding of this kind. Much of the interior structure is the fiberglass pan that forms the sole and inside edges of the berths. The rest is simple pine and plywood that would be easy to replace. And they're pretty durable despite flooding, if you don't mind the cosmetic deficits. My friend bought one that had filled up and sat. The real problem was deck leaks and rot and the transverse deck beam that supports the mast step--it had come unsecured at the ends. But since the upper shrouds are secured to this beam the whole thing holds together and he's been sailing the boat in that condition for a couple years (not necessarily with my approval, but without disaster). He's got a pole barn for the winter and plans a big overhaul. I'm so happy. The biggest problem on my Cal 20 is killing off the spiders that take up residence down below and drip their droppings all over my new paint. Chris Campbell

moth balls will do it... Chris Campbell wrote: > The biggest problem on my Cal 20 is killing off the spiders that take > up residence down below and drip their droppings all over my new paint. > > Chris Campbell -- Marsh Wise Webmaster: -reenactor.Net: http://www.reenactor.net/ -Foresthill.us: http://www.foresthill.us/ -Legio IX Hispana Penna: http://www.reenactor.net/units/legio_ix_penna/ - 17. Luftwaffe Feld-Division <http://www.reenactor.net/units/17lwfd/> Assistant Webmaster: -VAQ-33 Squadron site: http://www.reenactor.net/vaq-33/ Proud Member (meaning I can just have fun...) -LEGIO IX HISPANA COH III Penna Chapter: http://www.legio-ix-hispana.org/ Netscape Aim/AOL screen name: Sturmkatze Yahoo Messenger screen name: sturmkatze Alteris renumera duplum de quoquo tibi numeraverunt Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.... But then I repeat myself. ~Mark Twain *Last: Hey Dammit! Have you visited the reenactor.Net FORvMS? If not, WHY NOT? Gett your butt over to: http://www.reenactor.net/forums/index.php right now!

Marsh Wise wrote: > > moth balls will do it... > > Chris Campbell wrote: > >> The biggest problem on my Cal 20 is killing off the spiders that take >> up residence down below and drip their droppings all over my new paint. >> Thanks, Marsh, I'll try that. My last use for mothballs was to deter skunks from taking up residence in the crawl space. Chris Campbell

--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Chris Campbell <clcampbell@...> wrote: > > Marsh Wise wrote: > > > > moth balls will do it... > > > > Chris Campbell wrote: > > > >> The biggest problem on my Cal 20 is killing off the spiders that take > >> up residence down below and drip their droppings all over my new paint. In Joshua Slocum's book, "Sailing Alone Around the World," he says his only companion was a spider. At one port another spider came aboard but the first quickly finished off the newcomer. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96

And lest we forget King Robert the Bruce of Scotland and the inspiration provided to him by a spider: http://hazel.forest.net/whootie/stories/bruce_and_spider_scotland.html From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of mtkennedy1 Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 8:01 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Spiders in the boat (Chris) --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Chris Campbell <clcampbell@...> wrote: > > Marsh Wise wrote: > > > > moth balls will do it... > > > > Chris Campbell wrote: > > > >> The biggest problem on my Cal 20 is killing off the spiders that take > >> up residence down below and drip their droppings all over my new paint. In Joshua Slocum's book, "Sailing Alone Around the World," he says his only companion was a spider. At one port another spider came aboard but the first quickly finished off the newcomer. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96

Will the moths object? Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Campbell Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 10:33 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Spiders in the boat (Chris) Marsh Wise wrote: moth balls will do it... Chris Campbell wrote: The biggest problem on my Cal 20 is killing off the spiders that take up residence down below and drip their droppings all over my new paint. Thanks, Marsh, I'll try that. My last use for mothballs was to deter skunks from taking up residence in the crawl space. Chris Campbell

mtkennedy1 wrote: > > In Joshua Slocum's book, "Sailing Alone Around the World," he says his > only companion was a > spider. At one port another spider came aboard but the first quickly > finished off the > newcomer. > And in the nice biography of Joel White (_A Unit of Water, a Unit of Time_, as I recall the title), whose father, E.B. White had written _Charlotte's Web_, it was said that nobody in Joel White's boatyard killed spiders because they'd all read the book. This summer I've taken a much less charitable view toward the arachnids, although I tend to throw them overboard where they may perhaps swim to freedom instead of squashing them (usually). If they would refrain from leaving droppings all over my boat, I would welcome them as bug-catchers. But they don't. I've been meaning to reread Slocum. Chris Campbell

Bruce Stirling wrote: > > And lest we forget King Robert the Bruce of Scotland and the > inspiration provided to him by a spider: > Well, this is embarrassing. Here I'm Scottish as all get-out and didn't know this central tale--plus I'm exterminating those sources of inspiration when they mess up my boat. Chris Campbell

Chris, The name of my boat, "Gangfurd," is from the Stirling Coat of Arms, abbreviated from the "Gang forward and up the rebels!" From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Chris Campbell Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 9:03 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Spiders in the boat (Chris) Bruce Stirling wrote: And lest we forget King Robert the Bruce of Scotland and the inspiration provided to him by a spider: Well, this is embarrassing. Here I'm Scottish as all get-out and didn't know this central tale--plus I'm exterminating those sources of inspiration when they mess up my boat. Chris Campbell

Bruce Stirling wrote: > > Chris, > > The name of my boat, "Gangfurd," is from the Stirling Coat of Arms, > abbreviated from the "Gang forward and up the rebels!" > Long ago my brother was in a post-college peregrination around Europe. He was hitch-hiking in Scotland and introduced himself to a driver as Campbell. "I wouldn't make a great noise of it around here," was the reply. Maybe he used other, less controversial family names after that (his middle name is Sinclair, for example). Chris Campbell, er, let's just say "Chris."

> He was hitch-hiking in Scotland and introduced himself to a driver as > Campbell. "I wouldn't make a great noise of it around here," was the > reply. Like me, my father's name is Robert Bruce Stirling. He visited Stirling Castle and asked about getting in free because of his name. The reply was, "A name like that'll get you hung around here, laddy."

Last year I was on flight to New Foundland and was discussing genealogy with a young lady from Canada. She had lived in Edinburgh for a year and a half. At one point she looked at me and said "You might be an American but at least you aren't a Campbell". As with lawyers, Campbell's have a bad reputation, but they earned it. No disrespect intended, Chris :) Walter MacArthur Chris Campbell wrote: > > Bruce Stirling wrote: > >> Chris, >> >> The name of my boat, "Gangfurd," is from the Stirling Coat of Arms, >> abbreviated from the "Gang forward and up the rebels!" >> > > > > > > Long ago my brother was in a post-college peregrination around > Europe. He was hitch-hiking in Scotland and introduced himself to a > driver as Campbell. "I wouldn't make a great noise of it around > here," was the reply. Maybe he used other, less controversial family > names after that (his middle name is Sinclair, for example). > > Chris Campbell, er, let's just say "Chris." >

Go to a good Home Center (Home Depot, Lowes, etc.) and pick up the large economy size bottle of 'Home Defense'. I use this religiously to battle the arachnids. Works too, inside and out. Doesn't stain the gelcoat and has little to no smell. Works outside for 2-3 weeks until weathering off. Inside, once or twice a season should do it. Hasn't killed me off yet, although I have... (darn! can't think of one witty thing!). Jon Conyers Cal27 MKIII #115 To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.comFrom: ma… [at] reenactor.netDate: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 10:15:45 -0400Subject: [Cal_Boats] Spiders in the boat (Chris) moth balls will do it...Chris Campbell wrote: The biggest problem on my Cal 20 is killing off the spiders that take up residence down below and drip their droppings all over my new paint.Chris Campbell -- Marsh Wise Webmaster: -reenactor.Net: http://www.reenactor.net/ -Foresthill.us: http://www.foresthill.us/ -Legio IX Hispana Penna: http://www.reenactor.net/units/legio_ix_penna/ - 17. Luftwaffe Feld-Division <http://www.reenactor.net/units/17lwfd/> Assistant Webmaster: -VAQ-33 Squadron site: http://www.reenactor.net/vaq-33/ Proud Member (meaning I can just have fun...) -LEGIO IX HISPANA COH III Penna Chapter: http://www.legio-ix-hispana.org/ Netscape Aim/AOL screen name: Sturmkatze Yahoo Messenger screen name: sturmkatze Alteris renumera duplum de quoquo tibi numeraverunt Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.... But then I repeat myself. ~Mark Twain *Last: Hey Dammit! Have you visited the reenactor.Net FORvMS? If not, WHY NOT? Gett your butt over to: http://www.reenactor.net/forums/index.php right now! Can you find the hidden words? Take a break and play Seekadoo! http://club.live.com/seekadoo.aspx?icid=seek_wlmailtextlink

just finished it. A recommended read. Reggie >From: "mtkennedy1" <mt… [at] cox.net> >Reply-To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Spiders in the boat (Chris) >Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 15:00:37 -0000 > >--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Chris Campbell <clcampbell@...> wrote: > > > > Marsh Wise wrote: > > > > > > moth balls will do it... > > > > > > Chris Campbell wrote: > > > > > >> The biggest problem on my Cal 20 is killing off the spiders that take > > >> up residence down below and drip their droppings all over my new >paint. > >In Joshua Slocum's book, "Sailing Alone Around the World," he says his only >companion was a >spider. At one port another spider came aboard but the first quickly >finished off the >newcomer. > >Mike Kennedy >Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > > Get a FREE small business Web site and more from Microsoft� Office Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/aub0930003811mrt/direct/01/

.......Exactly Good ol' chemicals will get rid of everything including ourselves in one way or another. Think I will stick with the napkin, if I ever get a spider in the boat. Greg ----- Original Message ----- From: Jon Conyers To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 5:40 PM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Spiders in the boat (Chris) Go to a good Home Center (Home Depot, Lowes, etc.) and pick up the large economy size bottle of 'Home Defense'. I use this religiously to battle the arachnids. Works too, inside and out. Doesn't stain the gelcoat and has little to no smell. Works outside for 2-3 weeks until weathering off. Inside, once or twice a season should do it. Hasn't killed me off yet, although I have... (darn! can't think of one witty thing!). Jon Conyers Cal27 MKIII #115 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: ma… [at] reenactor.net Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 10:15:45 -0400 Subject: [Cal_Boats] Spiders in the boat (Chris) moth balls will do it... Chris Campbell wrote: The biggest problem on my Cal 20 is killing off the spiders that take up residence down below and drip their droppings all over my new paint. Chris Campbell -- Marsh Wise Webmaster: -reenactor.Net: http://www.reenactor.net/ -Foresthill.us: http://www.foresthill.us/ -Legio IX Hispana Penna: http://www.reenactor.net/units/legio_ix_penna/ - 17. Luftwaffe Feld-Division <http://www.reenactor.net/units/17lwfd/> Assistant Webmaster: -VAQ-33 Squadron site: http://www.reenactor.net/vaq-33/ Proud Member (meaning I can just have fun...) -LEGIO IX HISPANA COH III Penna Chapter: http://www.legio-ix-hispana.org/ Netscape Aim/AOL screen name: Sturmkatze Yahoo Messenger screen name: sturmkatze Alteris renumera duplum de quoquo tibi numeraverunt Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.... But then I repeat myself. ~Mark Twain *Last: Hey Dammit! Have you visited the reenactor.Net FORvMS? If not, WHY NOT? Gett your butt over to: http://www.reenactor.net/forums/index.php right now! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Can you find the hidden words? Take a break and play Seekadoo! Play now!

Walter wrote: > > > As with lawyers, Campbell's have a bad reputation, but they earned it. > I'm not sure I want to defend my ancient ancestors, but I'm also in that other category, and I do object to classification of lawyers as evil. Maybe it's true in the corporate realm, but most of the real practicing attorneys that I work with are decent people, making a living honestly. I decided a while back that I wasn't going to laugh politely at lawyer jokes, most of which are mean-spirited and hostile. But I will laugh if you tell a good Campbell joke. Chris Campbell

Chris, I am somewhat tolerant of the spiders, but my crew don't like them, we clear them out before sailing. I wish my harbor had some finches around, they fly to boats offshore and spend hours devouring all the insect life aboard. Labor Day I was doing committee boat duty a mile or so off Chicago harbor light, in no wind and we were visited by a pair of finches who spent hours clearing the boat of insects. They have no fear of humans and one actually lit on my shirt, picked off an insect and jumped off. I have been miles offshore and had the same thing happen. Great Lakes racers consider it good luck to have finches aboard. Regards, David Dobbs Cal29 411 Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> wrote: mtkennedy1 wrote: In Joshua Slocum's book, "Sailing Alone Around the World," he says his only companion was a spider. At one port another spider came aboard but the first quickly finished off the newcomer. And in the nice biography of Joel White (A Unit of Water, a Unit of Time, as I recall the title), whose father, E.B. White had written Charlotte's Web, it was said that nobody in Joel White's boatyard killed spiders because they'd all read the book. This summer I've taken a much less charitable view toward the arachnids, although I tend to throw them overboard where they may perhaps swim to freedom instead of squashing them (usually). If they would refrain from leaving droppings all over my boat, I would welcome them as bug-catchers. But they don't. I've been meaning to reread Slocum. Chris Campbell --------------------------------- Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.

Sail Away wrote: > > .......Exactly > > Good ol' chemicals will get rid of everything including ourselves in > one way or another. Think I will stick with the napkin, if I ever get > a spider in the boat. > > Greg > > > > Go to a good Home Center (Home Depot, Lowes, etc.) and pick up the > large economy size bottle of 'Home Defense'. I use this > religiously to battle the arachnids. Works too, inside and out. > Well, tonight was my last chance for sailing this season. The mast comes down tomorrow. But it was just blowing like stink tonight. I put a big reef in the main, furled it, and managed to get off my mooring using the outboard, but the boat was heeling and yawing around under power even without sail up and I was getting pretty wet with just the seas that had formed in the 1/2 mile from shore. It was just a bit too wild for single-handing so I decided to see if I could get back onto the mooring under power without some disaster. Made it. But the good news about the wind was that I was able to fling a bunch of spiders overboard and the wind carried them away very nicely. None of this crawling-back-on-the-web stuff tonight, no sir. I found a bunch of them lurking under the little foil-and-foam cover that shields the outboard's gas tank from the sun. Gone! Chris Campbell

Throwing lawyers into the discussion was tongue in cheek. It was about stereotypes. Stereotypes have very little to do with real life. Beyond that, my daughter is in the downhill side of law school so in the near future I won't be able to make any more jokes about lawyers. I will be limited to making jokes about Chevy's. She's blond so I certainly can't go there. Walter MacArthur Chris Campbell wrote: > > Walter wrote: > >> >> As with lawyers, Campbell's have a bad reputation, but they earned it. >> > > > > > I'm not sure I want to defend my ancient ancestors, but I'm also in > that other category, and I do object to classification of lawyers as > evil. Maybe it's true in the corporate realm, but most of the real > practicing attorneys that I work with are decent people, making a > living honestly. I decided a while back that I wasn't going to laugh > politely at lawyer jokes, most of which are mean-spirited and > hostile. But I will laugh if you tell a good Campbell joke. > > Chris Campbell >

Come on now... lawyers who defend obvious scum, who file frivolous lawsuits, who allow people to file suits that cause A: insurance to go up, B: doctors to stop practicing because they can't afford mal-practice insurance, C: become corrupt politicians... these are more evyil than not. We need tort reform. How about lawyers who file frivolous lawsuits, etc. get disbarred AND have to pay both parties legal fees and court costs?? And corrupt politicians, well how about public stoning? I can think of some in BOTH parties who need this... :-0 Okay, I'll stop now. Sorry to vent. Marsh Chris Campbell wrote: > Walter wrote: > >> >> As with lawyers, Campbell's have a bad reputation, but they earned it. >> > > > > > I'm not sure I want to defend my ancient ancestors, but I'm also in > that other category, and I do object to classification of lawyers as > evil. Maybe it's true in the corporate realm, but most of the real > practicing attorneys that I work with are decent people, making a > living honestly. I decided a while back that I wasn't going to laugh > politely at lawyer jokes, most of which are mean-spirited and > hostile. But I will laugh if you tell a good Campbell joke. > > Chris Campbell > -- Marsh Wise Webmaster: -reenactor.Net: http://www.reenactor.net/ -Foresthill.us: http://www.foresthill.us/ -Legio IX Hispana Penna: http://www.reenactor.net/units/legio_ix_penna/ - 17. Luftwaffe Feld-Division <http://www.reenactor.net/units/17lwfd/> Assistant Webmaster: -VAQ-33 Squadron site: http://www.reenactor.net/vaq-33/ Proud Member (meaning I can just have fun...) -LEGIO IX HISPANA COH III Penna Chapter: http://www.legio-ix-hispana.org/ Netscape Aim/AOL screen name: Sturmkatze Yahoo Messenger screen name: sturmkatze Alteris renumera duplum de quoquo tibi numeraverunt Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.... But then I repeat myself. ~Mark Twain *Last: Hey Dammit! Have you visited the reenactor.Net FORvMS? If not, WHY NOT? Gett your butt over to: http://www.reenactor.net/forums/index.php right now!

No! Venting is good. Keep all that stuff inside and you'll rot. Let it out! If anyone gets upset over over what others say they may need to cut back on their dermabrasion sessions. Walter Marsh Wise wrote: > > Come on now... lawyers who defend obvious scum, who file frivolous > lawsuits, who allow people to file suits that cause A: insurance to go > up, B: doctors to stop practicing because they can't afford > mal-practice insurance, C: become corrupt politicians... these are > more evyil than not. We need tort reform. How about lawyers who file > frivolous lawsuits, etc. get disbarred AND have to pay both parties > legal fees and court costs?? And corrupt politicians, well how about > public stoning? I can think of some in BOTH parties who need this... > :-0 Okay, I'll stop now. Sorry to vent. > Marsh > > Chris Campbell wrote: > >> Walter wrote: >>> >>> >>> As with lawyers, Campbell's have a bad reputation, but they earned it. >>> >> >> >> >> >> I'm not sure I want to defend my ancient ancestors, but I'm also in >> that other category, and I do object to classification of lawyers as >> evil. Maybe it's true in the corporate realm, but most of the real >> practicing attorneys that I work with are decent people, making a >> living honestly. I decided a while back that I wasn't going to laugh >> politely at lawyer jokes, most of which are mean-spirited and >> hostile. But I will laugh if you tell a good Campbell joke. >> >> Chris Campbell > > -- > Marsh Wise > Webmaster: > -reenactor.Net: http://www.reenactor.net/ > -Foresthill.us: http://www.foresthill.us/ > -Legio IX Hispana Penna: http://www.reenactor.net/units/legio_ix_penna/ > - 17. Luftwaffe Feld-Division <http://www.reenactor.net/units/17lwfd/> > > Assistant Webmaster: > -VAQ-33 Squadron site: http://www.reenactor.net/vaq-33/ > > Proud Member (meaning I can just have fun...) > -LEGIO IX HISPANA COH III Penna Chapter: http://www.legio-ix-hispana.org/ > > Netscape Aim/AOL screen name: Sturmkatze > > Yahoo Messenger screen name: sturmkatze > > Alteris renumera duplum de quoquo tibi numeraverunt > > Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.... But then I repeat myself. ~Mark Twain > > *Last: Hey Dammit! Have you visited the reenactor.Net FORvMS? If not, WHY NOT? > Gett your butt over to: http://www.reenactor.net/forums/index.php right now! >

LOL! :-) I once heard a saying: Lawyers are like nuclear weapons-you have to have 'em because the other side has 'em, but... if you use them, they F- everything up! :-Þ I'll stop now. I can already feel people pulling out the Marsh voodoo doll and jabbing pins in its back :-0 Walter wrote: >No! Venting is good. Keep all that stuff inside and you'll rot. Let it out! > >If anyone gets upset over over what others say they may need to cut back >on their dermabrasion sessions. > >Walter > >Marsh Wise wrote: > > >>Come on now... lawyers who defend obvious scum, who file frivolous >>lawsuits, who allow people to file suits that cause A: insurance to go >>up, B: doctors to stop practicing because they can't afford >>mal-practice insurance, C: become corrupt politicians... these are >>more evyil than not. We need tort reform. How about lawyers who file >>frivolous lawsuits, etc. get disbarred AND have to pay both parties >>legal fees and court costs?? And corrupt politicians, well how about >>public stoning? I can think of some in BOTH parties who need this... >>:-0 Okay, I'll stop now. Sorry to vent. >>Marsh >> >>Chris Campbell wrote: >> >> >> >>>Walter wrote: >>> >>> >>>>As with lawyers, Campbell's have a bad reputation, but they earned it. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>I'm not sure I want to defend my ancient ancestors, but I'm also in >>>that other category, and I do object to classification of lawyers as >>>evil. Maybe it's true in the corporate realm, but most of the real >>>practicing attorneys that I work with are decent people, making a >>>living honestly. I decided a while back that I wasn't going to laugh >>>politely at lawyer jokes, most of which are mean-spirited and >>>hostile. But I will laugh if you tell a good Campbell joke. >>> >>>Chris Campbell >>> >>> >>-- >>Marsh Wise >>Webmaster: >>-reenactor.Net: http://www.reenactor.net/ >>-Foresthill.us: http://www.foresthill.us/ >>-Legio IX Hispana Penna: http://www.reenactor.net/units/legio_ix_penna/ >>- 17. Luftwaffe Feld-Division <http://www.reenactor.net/units/17lwfd/> >> >>Assistant Webmaster: >>-VAQ-33 Squadron site: http://www.reenactor.net/vaq-33/ >> >>Proud Member (meaning I can just have fun...) >>-LEGIO IX HISPANA COH III Penna Chapter: http://www.legio-ix-hispana.org/ >> >>Netscape Aim/AOL screen name: Sturmkatze >> >>Yahoo Messenger screen name: sturmkatze >> >>Alteris renumera duplum de quoquo tibi numeraverunt >> >>Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.... But then I repeat myself. ~Mark Twain >> >>*Last: Hey Dammit! Have you visited the reenactor.Net FORvMS? If not, WHY NOT? >>Gett your butt over to: http://www.reenactor.net/forums/index.php right now! >> >> >> > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > -- Marsh Wise Webmaster: -reenactor.Net: http://www.reenactor.net/ -Foresthill.us: http://www.foresthill.us/ -Legio IX Hispana Penna: http://www.reenactor.net/units/legio_ix_penna/ - 17. Luftwaffe Feld-Division <http://www.reenactor.net/units/17lwfd/> Assistant Webmaster: -VAQ-33 Squadron site: http://www.reenactor.net/vaq-33/ Proud Member (meaning I can just have fun...) -LEGIO IX HISPANA COH III Penna Chapter: http://www.legio-ix-hispana.org/ Netscape Aim/AOL screen name: Sturmkatze Yahoo Messenger screen name: sturmkatze Alteris renumera duplum de quoquo tibi numeraverunt Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.... But then I repeat myself. ~Mark Twain *Last: Hey Dammit! Have you visited the reenactor.Net FORvMS? If not, WHY NOT? Gett your butt over to: http://www.reenactor.net/forums/index.php right now!

My friend got bit by a spider while sleeping in his boat. His arm swelled up so bad he had to spend three days in the hospital. Tell me, what's spiders got to do with the legal profession? This string title has nothing to do with spiders, right? My same friend got dropped and smashed into the top of my boat when the facia board of the finger collapsed under him. I'd been bugging the dock master to have it fixed for months, but he never got around to it, while fixing other's dock problems that cropped up many months later. The Lawyer we were referred to (the Marina wouldn't even entertain a couple of months free dock fees!) got him a half way decent settlement, without lawyers he'd ended up crippled anyway, but with nothing to show for his misery, a torn rotator cuff in his arm and four ruptured disks in his back. So, let's knock it off with the lawyers, some are good, some are bad, like everyone else. Jerry Walter <wa… [at] cal34.com> wrote: No! Venting is good. Keep all that stuff inside and you'll rot. Let it out! If anyone gets upset over over what others say they may need to cut back on their dermabrasion sessions. Walter Marsh Wise wrote: > > Come on now... lawyers who defend obvious scum, who file frivolous > lawsuits, who allow people to file suits that cause A: insurance to go > up, B: doctors to stop practicing because they can't afford > mal-practice insurance, C: become corrupt politicians... these are > more evyil than not. We need tort reform. How about lawyers who file > frivolous lawsuits, etc. get disbarred AND have to pay both parties > legal fees and court costs?? And corrupt politicians, well how about > public stoning? I can think of some in BOTH parties who need this... > :-0 Okay, I'll stop now. Sorry to vent. > Marsh > > Chris Campbell wrote: > >> Walter wrote: >>> >>> >>> As with lawyers, Campbell's have a bad reputation, but they earned it. >>> >> >> >> >> >> I'm not sure I want to defend my ancient ancestors, but I'm also in >> that other category, and I do object to classification of lawyers as >> evil. Maybe it's true in the corporate realm, but most of the real >> practicing attorneys that I work with are decent people, making a >> living honestly. I decided a while back that I wasn't going to laugh >> politely at lawyer jokes, most of which are mean-spirited and >> hostile. But I will laugh if you tell a good Campbell joke. >> >> Chris Campbell > > -- > Marsh Wise > Webmaster: > -reenactor.Net: http://www.reenactor.net/ > -Foresthill.us: http://www.foresthill.us/ > -Legio IX Hispana Penna: http://www.reenactor.net/units/legio_ix_penna/ > - 17. Luftwaffe Feld-Division <http://www.reenactor.net/units/17lwfd/> > > Assistant Webmaster: > -VAQ-33 Squadron site: http://www.reenactor.net/vaq-33/ > > Proud Member (meaning I can just have fun...) > -LEGIO IX HISPANA COH III Penna Chapter: http://www.legio-ix-hispana.org/ > > Netscape Aim/AOL screen name: Sturmkatze > > Yahoo Messenger screen name: sturmkatze > > Alteris renumera duplum de quoquo tibi numeraverunt > > Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.... But then I repeat myself. ~Mark Twain > > *Last: Hey Dammit! Have you visited the reenactor.Net FORvMS? If not, WHY NOT? > Gett your butt over to: http://www.reenactor.net/forums/index.php right now! >

Reggie and All, Very much recommended read, Capt. Joshua be the grand-daddy of all of us middle income yachtsmen, and me boat be named "Shpritz" after his boat "Spray". Arrrgh. Is tomorrow talk like a Pirate Day? Jerry r good <my… [at] hotmail.com> wrote: just finished it. A recommended read. Reggie >From: "mtkennedy1" >Reply-To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Spiders in the boat (Chris) >Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 15:00:37 -0000 > >--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Chris Campbell wrote: > > > > Marsh Wise wrote: > > > > > > moth balls will do it... > > > > > > Chris Campbell wrote: > > > > > >> The biggest problem on my Cal 20 is killing off the spiders that take > > >> up residence down below and drip their droppings all over my new >paint. > >In Joshua Slocum's book, "Sailing Alone Around the World," he says his only >companion was a >spider. At one port another spider came aboard but the first quickly >finished off the >newcomer. > >Mike Kennedy >Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > > Get a FREE small business Web site and more from Microsoft® Office Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/aub0930003811mrt/direct/01/ Yahoo! Groups Links

Jerry and all, My personal experience with lawyers has been great. They have been professional and competent, worth every penny. I would have been a dead duck once without one. Anyone who goes before a judge without a lawyer to represent him is just asking for trouble. Regards, Dave Dobbs Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: Reggie and All, Very much recommended read, Capt. Joshua be the grand-daddy of all of us middle income yachtsmen, and me boat be named "Shpritz" after his boat "Spray". Arrrgh. Is tomorrow talk like a Pirate Day? Jerry r good <my… [at] hotmail.com> wrote: just finished it. A recommended read. Reggie >From: "mtkennedy1" >Reply-To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Spiders in the boat (Chris) >Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 15:00:37 -0000 > >--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Chris Campbell wrote: > > > > Marsh Wise wrote: > > > > > > moth balls will do it... > > > > > > Chris Campbell wrote: > > > > > >> The biggest problem on my Cal 20 is killing off the spiders that take > > >> up residence down below and drip their droppings all over my new >paint. > >In Joshua Slocum's book, "Sailing Alone Around the World," he says his only >companion was a >spider. At one port another spider came aboard but the first quickly >finished off the >newcomer. > >Mike Kennedy >Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > > Get a FREE small business Web site and more from Microsoft® Office Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/aub0930003811mrt/direct/01/ Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us.

Sounds like a bad marina... or maybe he had crap insurance. WHo knows. I stand by what I said... and BTW, I didn't say ALL lawyers now did I? Tort reform laddie, tort reform. As for spiders, put some moth balls in the boat, bugs will leave -- air it out good though before use. Gerald Sobel wrote: > My friend got bit by a spider while sleeping in his boat. His arm > swelled up so bad he had to spend three days in the hospital. > > Tell me, what's spiders got to do with the legal profession? This > string title has nothing to do with spiders, right? > > My same friend got dropped and smashed into the top of my boat when > the facia board of the finger collapsed under him. I'd been bugging > the dock master to have it fixed for months, but he never got around > to it, while fixing other's dock problems that cropped up many months > later. > > The Lawyer we were referred to (the Marina wouldn't even entertain a > couple of months free dock fees!) got him a half way decent > settlement, without lawyers he'd ended up crippled anyway, but with > nothing to show for his misery, a torn rotator cuff in his arm and > four ruptured disks in his back. So, let's knock it off with the > lawyers, some are good, some are bad, like everyone else. > Jerry > > Walter <wa… [at] cal34.com> wrote: > > No! Venting is good. Keep all that stuff inside and you'll rot. > Let it out! > > If anyone gets upset over over what others say they may need to > cut back > on their dermabrasion sessions. > > Walter > > Marsh Wise wrote: > > > > Come on now... lawyers who defend obvious scum, who file frivolous > > lawsuits, who allow people to file suits that cause A: insurance > to go > > up, B: doctors to stop practicing because they can't afford > > mal-practice insurance, C: become corrupt politicians... these are > > more evyil than not. We need tort reform. How about lawyers who > file > > frivolous lawsuits, etc. get disbarred AND have to pay both parties > > legal fees and court costs?? And corrupt politicians, well how > about > > public stoning? I can think of some in BOTH parties who need > this... > > :-0 Okay, I'll stop now. Sorry to vent. > > Marsh > > > > Chris Campbell wrote: > > > >> Walter wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> As with lawyers, Campbell's have a bad reputation, but they > earned it. > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> I'm not sure I want to defend my ancient ancestors, but I'm > also in > >> that other category, and I do object to classification of > lawyers as > >> evil. Maybe it's true in the corporate realm, but most of the real > >> practicing attorneys that I work with are decent people, making a > >> living honestly. I decided a while back that I wasn't going to > laugh > >> politely at lawyer jokes, most of which are mean-spirited and > >> hostile. But I will laugh if you tell a good Campbell joke. > >> > >> Chris Campbell > > > > -- > > Marsh Wise > > Webmaster: > > -reenactor.Net: http://www.reenactor.net/ > <http://www.reenactor.net/> > > -Foresthill.us: http://www.foresthill.us/ > <http://www.foresthill.us/> > > -Legio IX Hispana Penna: > http://www.reenactor.net/units/legio_ix_penna/ > <http://www.reenactor.net/units/legio_ix_penna/> > > - 17. Luftwaffe Feld-Division > <http://www.reenactor.net/units/17lwfd/ > <http://www.reenactor.net/units/17lwfd/>> > > > > Assistant Webmaster: > > -VAQ-33 Squadron site: http://www.reenactor.net/vaq-33/ > <http://www.reenactor.net/vaq-33/> > > > > Proud Member (meaning I can just have fun...) > > -LEGIO IX HISPANA COH III Penna Chapter: > http://www.legio-ix-hispana.org/ <http://www.legio-ix-hispana.org/> > > > > Netscape Aim/AOL screen name: Sturmkatze > > > > Yahoo Messenger screen name: sturmkatze > > > > Alteris renumera duplum de quoquo tibi numeraverunt > > > > Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of > Congress.... But then I repeat myself. ~Mark Twain > > > > *Last: Hey Dammit! Have you visited the reenactor.Net FORvMS? If > not, WHY NOT? > > Gett your butt over to: > http://www.reenactor.net/forums/index.php > <http://www.reenactor.net/forums/index.php> right now! > > > > > -- Marsh Wise Webmaster: -reenactor.Net: http://www.reenactor.net/ -Foresthill.us: http://www.foresthill.us/ -Legio IX Hispana Penna: http://www.reenactor.net/units/legio_ix_penna/ - 17. Luftwaffe Feld-Division <http://www.reenactor.net/units/17lwfd/> Assistant Webmaster: -VAQ-33 Squadron site: http://www.reenactor.net/vaq-33/ Proud Member (meaning I can just have fun...) -LEGIO IX HISPANA COH III Penna Chapter: http://www.legio-ix-hispana.org/ Netscape Aim/AOL screen name: Sturmkatze Yahoo Messenger screen name: sturmkatze Alteris renumera duplum de quoquo tibi numeraverunt Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.... But then I repeat myself. ~Mark Twain *Last: Hey Dammit! Have you visited the reenactor.Net FORvMS? If not, WHY NOT? Gett your butt over to: http://www.reenactor.net/forums/index.php right now!

What do you call 10,000 lawyers at the bottom of the sea? :-)

Hit the delete now, if you want sailing content! :-) Marsh, I think you may be missing the point when it comes to defending 'obvious scum'. Among many others, one of the valuable functions of a defence attorney is to ensure that the state, in the form of law enforcement and criminal prosecution, does it's job well and according to the law. This is true no matter who the defendant. Performing this function is one of the bedrock checks against the abuse of power, and thus helps protect every member of society. There certainly is corruption, but the law is among the most powerful weapons in the arsenal of those who choose to fight against that corruption. The more I learn about the law, legal issues, and especially the history of law, the more stongly I feel that law is amont the noblest endevor of man's reason. While the US Constitution does not state this explicitly, it is implicit in nearly ever part. Those who practice the law ethically there for deserve the same honor as any who persue othe paths to the degree of commitment and passion they have. On the other hand, one who betrays law by practicing in unethically deserve any and all condemnation leveled at them - they are directly betraying their own society. Sorry to rant, but just wanted to stand with my fellow sailors who happen to be lawyers. I am not, but have developed a passionate interest in law. td From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Marsh Wise Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 11:21 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Spiders in the boat (Chris) Come on now... lawyers who defend obvious scum, who file frivolous lawsuits, who allow people to file suits that cause A: insurance to go up, B: doctors to stop practicing because they can't afford mal-practice insurance, C: become corrupt politicians... these are more evyil than not. We need tort reform. How about lawyers who file frivolous lawsuits, etc. get disbarred AND have to pay both parties legal fees and court costs?? And corrupt politicians, well how about public stoning? I can think of some in BOTH parties who need this... :-0 Okay, I'll stop now. Sorry to vent. Marsh Chris Campbell wrote: Walter wrote: As with lawyers, Campbell's have a bad reputation, but they earned it. I'm not sure I want to defend my ancient ancestors, but I'm also in that other category, and I do object to classification of lawyers as evil. Maybe it's true in the corporate realm, but most of the real practicing attorneys that I work with are decent people, making a living honestly. I decided a while back that I wasn't going to laugh politely at lawyer jokes, most of which are mean-spirited and hostile. But I will laugh if you tell a good Campbell joke. Chris Campbell -- Marsh Wise Webmaster: -reenactor.Net: http://www.reenacto <http://www.reenactor.net/> r.net/ -Foresthill.us: http://www.foresthi <http://www.foresthill.us/> ll.us/ -Legio IX Hispana Penna: http://www.reenacto <http://www.reenactor.net/units/legio_ix_penna/> r.net/units/legio_ix_penna/ - 17. Luftwaffe Feld-Division <http://www.reenactor.net/units/17lwfd/> <http://www.reenactor.net/units/17lwfd/> Assistant Webmaster: -VAQ-33 Squadron site: http://www.reenacto <http://www.reenactor.net/vaq-33/> r.net/vaq-33/ Proud Member (meaning I can just have fun...) -LEGIO IX HISPANA COH III Penna Chapter: http://www.legio- <http://www.legio-ix-hispana.org/> ix-hispana.org/ Netscape Aim/AOL screen name: Sturmkatze Yahoo Messenger screen name: sturmkatze Alteris renumera duplum de quoquo tibi numeraverunt Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.... But then I repeat myself. ~Mark Twain *Last: Hey Dammit! Have you visited the reenactor.Net FORvMS? If not, WHY NOT? Gett your butt over to: http://www.reenacto <http://www.reenactor.net/forums/index.php> r.net/forums/index.php right now! DISCLAIMER: Important Notice ************************************************* This e-mail may contain information that is confidential, privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not an intended recipient of this e-mail, do not duplicate or redistribute it by any means. Please delete it and any attachments and notify the sender that you have received it in error. Unintended recipients are prohibited from taking action on the basis of information in this e-mail.E-mail messages may contain computer viruses or other defects, may not be accurately replicated on other systems, or may be intercepted, deleted or interfered with without the knowledge of the sender or the intended recipient. If you are not comfortable with the risks associated with e-mail messages, you may decide not to use e-mail to communicate with IPC. IPC reserves the right, to the extent and under circumstances permitted by applicable law, to retain, monitor and intercept e-mail messages to and from its systems.

Marsh Wise wrote: > > Come on now... lawyers who defend obvious scum, > Your treatment in our system of justice isn't supposed to depend on whether you are a nice person or live on the right side of the tracks. Everybody is entitled to have guilt or innocence determined on the specific facts, not on the basis of whether they are people you like. And when the bad folks have also done bad acts, they are usually convicted. > who file frivolous lawsuits, who allow people to file suits that cause > A: insurance to go up, B: doctors to stop practicing because they > can't afford mal-practice insurance, > This is all myth. Michigan has a supreme court of Republicans and former insurance company lawyers. The insurance companies always win there and injured people lose. And yet, do you think insurance rates have gone down? Nooo.... And do you think insurance company profits have gone up? Do I need to say Yes? A few years ago Michigan passed a law to make it impossible to sue pharmaceutical companies for harmful products. There were several of those companies in the state, and the legislature justified its action on the basis of attracting more and retaining the ones that were here. Wow, talk about a favorable climate, immunity from lawsuits. Do you suppose that any have moved here? Nooo.... Do you suppose that the existing ones have stayed? Noooo...they've moved away. > C: become corrupt politicians... these are more evyil than not. We > need tort reform. > See the above. "Tort reform" is an advertising buzzword of the insurance industry, whose profits are soaring. Check out their CEO salaries. If you've been in a car accident and need extensive medical treatment and continued therapy to regain your bodily functions, then let's see what you think of "tort reform" after your insurance company tells you they've decided not to pay. This is not to say that we have attained perfection in our legal system. But it's a big warning about listening to big business telling you what changes need to be made. Follow the money, and hold on to your wallet. > How about lawyers who file frivolous lawsuits, etc. get disbarred AND > have to pay both parties legal fees and court costs?? > Yes, there are such cases, and they're about one in a billion, just like there are evil truck drivers and evil preachers and evil guys on the GM assembly line. > And corrupt politicians, well how about public stoning? > Here's another area in which money has perverted the process. There have been some bipartisan efforts at campaign finance reform. John McCain is a Republican who favored it. These efforts have generally been swamped by the huge financial forces favoring the current arrangements. Once again, follow the money. See who pays those lobbyists. Until we really say that the integrity of the political process is a high priority, much higher than the "litmus test" issues that tend to distract voters, we're not going to see a change. There's my venting for the day. Chris Campbell

david dobbs wrote: > Chris, > I am somewhat tolerant of the spiders, but my crew don't like them, we > clear them out before sailing. I wish my harbor had some finches > around, they fly to boats offshore and spend hours devouring all the > insect life aboard. My problem is down below, and I'm not sure I want birds flying around down there--that would magnify the droppings problem! I think I'll try the mothballs method for winter storage to see if it will keep 'em out. Chris Campbell

Downing, Thomas wrote: > > Hit the delete now, if you want sailing content! :-) > > Marsh, I think you may be missing the point when it comes to defending > 'obvious scum'. Among many others, one of the valuable functions of > a defence attorney is to ensure that the state, in the form of law > enforcement > and criminal prosecution, does it's job well and according to the > law. This > is true no matter who the defendant. > > Performing this function is one of the bedrock checks against the abuse of > power, and thus helps protect every member of society. > > There certainly is corruption, but the law is among the most powerful > weapons > in the arsenal of those who choose to fight against that corruption. > > The more I learn about the law, legal issues, and especially the > history of > law, the more stongly I feel that law is amont the noblest endevor of > man's > reason. While the US Constitution does not state this explicitly, it > is implicit > in nearly ever part. > > Those who practice the law ethically there for deserve the same honor > as any > who persue othe paths to the degree of commitment and passion they have. > > On the other hand, one who betrays law by practicing in unethically > deserve > any and all condemnation leveled at them - they are directly betraying > their > own society. > > Sorry to rant, but just wanted to stand with my fellow sailors who > happen to > be lawyers. I am not, but have developed a passionate interest in law. > Well, thank you, Tom! Well said. Chris Campbell

Well done, Mr. Downing. You said it better than I could. The defense of the "obvious" scum results in appeals, which in turn, result in appellate and supreme court decisions that define, clarify, uphold, and protect the rights and liberties of all in this country. But for said decisions, we would all face greater threats and loss of liberties from another kind of "obvious scum." Scum comes in all shapes, sizes, and flavors. I've prosecuted, defended, and sentenced the criminals you refer to, and in the end, most received their just punishment. However, there is another kind of scum out there far more dangerous to your property and civil liberties than the street criminal. But politics has no place on this board, so I won't go there. Over the past 28 years I've been a prosecutor, a defense attorney, a superior court judge pro tem, and I defended tort claims for the insurance companies. I also filed a few as a plaintiff's lawyer. Most protections we enjoy in the work place and as consumers were the direct result of very big tort claims. Have there been abuses? You bet. We've all heard about the ridiculous McDonald's hot coffee case, the whacked out administrative law judge who sued the dry cleaner, etc. These are relatively few and they give us all a bad name, as do those who charge exhorbitant fees. I've known many scum bag lawyers over the years. Fortunately, most I know are nice honest people trying to make a living like everyone else. My old college dorm mate, upon learning that I passed the Bar exam, said, "now you've got your license to steal!" I wasn't exactly sure what he meant by it. Anyway, after 28 years, I must have done something wrong. I have a Cal 28, cut my own hair, and my newest vehicle is five years old. When Charlie warned me the Cal 40, notwithstanding the $17,000 price was, nevertheless, a $100,000 boat, I put the dream on hold. I am living on the 300 year life span plan. I'll shut up now. Unlike Chris, though, I do appreciate a good lawyer joke and I've heard and told many. What I do not get though, is what did the Campbell's do to tick everyone off? Beware the "obvious scum!" --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Downing, Thomas" <Thomas.Downing@...> wrote: > > Hit the delete now, if you want sailing content! :-) > > Marsh, I think you may be missing the point when it comes to defending > 'obvious scum'. Among many others, one of the valuable functions of > a defence attorney is to ensure that the state, in the form of law enforcement > and criminal prosecution, does it's job well and according to the law. This > is true no matter who the defendant. > > Performing this function is one of the bedrock checks against the abuse of > power, and thus helps protect every member of society. > > There certainly is corruption, but the law is among the most powerful weapons > in the arsenal of those who choose to fight against that corruption. > > The more I learn about the law, legal issues, and especially the history of > law, the more stongly I feel that law is amont the noblest endevor of man's > reason. While the US Constitution does not state this explicitly, it is implicit > in nearly ever part. > > Those who practice the law ethically there for deserve the same honor as any > who persue othe paths to the degree of commitment and passion they have. > > On the other hand, one who betrays law by practicing in unethically deserve > any and all condemnation leveled at them - they are directly betraying their > own society. > > Sorry to rant, but just wanted to stand with my fellow sailors who happen to > be lawyers. I am not, but have developed a passionate interest in law. > > td > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Marsh Wise > Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 11:21 PM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Spiders in the boat (Chris) > > > > Come on now... lawyers who defend obvious scum, who file frivolous lawsuits, who allow people to file suits that cause A: insurance to go up, B: doctors to stop practicing because they can't afford mal-practice insurance, C: become corrupt politicians... these are more evyil than not. We need tort reform. How about lawyers who file frivolous lawsuits, etc. get disbarred AND have to pay both parties legal fees and court costs?? And corrupt politicians, well how about public stoning? I can think of some in BOTH parties who need this... :-0 Okay, I'll stop now. Sorry to vent. > Marsh > > Chris Campbell wrote: > > > > Walter wrote: > > > As with lawyers, Campbell's have a bad reputation, but they earned it. > > > > > > > > I'm not sure I want to defend my ancient ancestors, but I'm also in that other category, and I do object to classification of lawyers as evil. Maybe it's true in the corporate realm, but most of the real practicing attorneys that I work with are decent people, making a living honestly. I decided a while back that I wasn't going to laugh politely at lawyer jokes, most of which are mean-spirited and hostile. But I will laugh if you tell a good Campbell joke. > > Chris Campbell > > > > -- > > Marsh Wise > > Webmaster: > > -reenactor.Net: http://www.reenacto <http://www.reenactor.net/> r.net/ > > -Foresthill.us: http://www.foresthi <http://www.foresthill.us/> ll.us/ > > -Legio IX Hispana Penna: http://www.reenacto <http://www.reenactor.net/units/legio_ix_penna/> r.net/units/legio_ix_penna/ > > - 17. 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P.S. - When I said, "beware of the obvious scum," I was NOT referring to the Campbells! Unfortunate placement of my concluding thought. --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Stirling" <bruce@...> wrote: > > Well done, Mr. Downing. You said it better than I could. > > The defense of the "obvious" scum results in appeals, which in turn, > result in appellate and supreme court decisions that define, clarify, > uphold, and protect the rights and liberties of all in this country. > But for said decisions, we would all face greater threats and loss of > liberties from another kind of "obvious scum." Scum comes in all > shapes, sizes, and flavors. I've prosecuted, defended, and sentenced > the criminals you refer to, and in the end, most received their just > punishment. However, there is another kind of scum out there far more > dangerous to your property and civil liberties than the street > criminal. But politics has no place on this board, so I won't go there. > > Over the past 28 years I've been a prosecutor, a defense attorney, a > superior court judge pro tem, and I defended tort claims for the > insurance companies. I also filed a few as a plaintiff's lawyer. > Most protections we enjoy in the work place and as consumers were the > direct result of very big tort claims. Have there been abuses? You > bet. We've all heard about the ridiculous McDonald's hot coffee case, > the whacked out administrative law judge who sued the dry cleaner, > etc. These are relatively few and they give us all a bad name, as do > those who charge exhorbitant fees. I've known many scum bag lawyers > over the years. Fortunately, most I know are nice honest people > trying to make a living like everyone else. > > My old college dorm mate, upon learning that I passed the Bar exam, > said, "now you've got your license to steal!" I wasn't exactly sure > what he meant by it. Anyway, after 28 years, I must have done > something wrong. I have a Cal 28, cut my own hair, and my newest > vehicle is five years old. When Charlie warned me the Cal 40, > notwithstanding the $17,000 price was, nevertheless, a $100,000 boat, > I put the dream on hold. I am living on the 300 year life span plan. > > I'll shut up now. Unlike Chris, though, I do appreciate a good lawyer > joke and I've heard and told many. What I do not get though, is what > did the Campbell's do to tick everyone off? > > Beware the "obvious scum!" > > > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Downing, Thomas" > <Thomas.Downing@> wrote: > > > > Hit the delete now, if you want sailing content! :-) > > > > Marsh, I think you may be missing the point when it comes to defending > > 'obvious scum'. Among many others, one of the valuable functions of > > a defence attorney is to ensure that the state, in the form of law > enforcement > > and criminal prosecution, does it's job well and according to the > law. This > > is true no matter who the defendant. > > > > Performing this function is one of the bedrock checks against the > abuse of > > power, and thus helps protect every member of society. > > > > There certainly is corruption, but the law is among the most > powerful weapons > > in the arsenal of those who choose to fight against that corruption. > > > > The more I learn about the law, legal issues, and especially the > history of > > law, the more stongly I feel that law is amont the noblest endevor > of man's > > reason. While the US Constitution does not state this explicitly, > it is implicit > > in nearly ever part. > > > > Those who practice the law ethically there for deserve the same > honor as any > > who persue othe paths to the degree of commitment and passion they have. > > > > On the other hand, one who betrays law by practicing in unethically > deserve > > any and all condemnation leveled at them - they are directly > betraying their > > own society. > > > > Sorry to rant, but just wanted to stand with my fellow sailors who > happen to > > be lawyers. I am not, but have developed a passionate interest in law. > > > > td > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Marsh Wise > > Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 11:21 PM > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Spiders in the boat (Chris) > > > > > > > > Come on now... lawyers who defend obvious scum, who file frivolous > lawsuits, who allow people to file suits that cause A: insurance to go > up, B: doctors to stop practicing because they can't afford > mal-practice insurance, C: become corrupt politicians... these are > more evyil than not. We need tort reform. How about lawyers who file > frivolous lawsuits, etc. get disbarred AND have to pay both parties > legal fees and court costs?? And corrupt politicians, well how about > public stoning? I can think of some in BOTH parties who need this... > :-0 Okay, I'll stop now. Sorry to vent. > > Marsh > > > > Chris Campbell wrote: > > > > > > > > Walter wrote: > > > > > > As with lawyers, Campbell's have a bad reputation, but they earned it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not sure I want to defend my ancient ancestors, but I'm also in > that other category, and I do object to classification of lawyers as > evil. Maybe it's true in the corporate realm, but most of the real > practicing attorneys that I work with are decent people, making a > living honestly. I decided a while back that I wasn't going to laugh > politely at lawyer jokes, most of which are mean-spirited and hostile. > But I will laugh if you tell a good Campbell joke. > > > > Chris Campbell > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Marsh Wise > > > > Webmaster: > > > > -reenactor.Net: http://www.reenacto <http://www.reenactor.net/> r.net/ > > > > -Foresthill.us: http://www.foresthi <http://www.foresthill.us/> ll.us/ > > > > -Legio IX Hispana Penna: http://www.reenacto > <http://www.reenactor.net/units/legio_ix_penna/> > r.net/units/legio_ix_penna/ > > > > - 17. 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Chris Campbell wrote: > Marsh Wise wrote: > >> Come on now... lawyers who defend obvious scum, >> > > > Your treatment in our system of justice isn't supposed to depend on > whether you are a nice person or live on the right side of the > tracks. Everybody is entitled to have guilt or innocence determined > on the specific facts, not on the basis of whether they are people you > like. And when the bad folks have also done bad acts, they are > usually convicted. Fine, are you telling me you lower your rates for people who make less money or are on a fixed income? > who file frivolous lawsuits, who allow people to file suits that cause > A: insurance to go up, B: doctors to stop practicing because they > can't afford mal-practice insurance, > > > This is all myth. Michigan has a supreme court of Republicans and > former insurance company lawyers. The insurance companies always win > there and injured people lose. And yet, do you think insurance rates > have gone down? Nooo.... And do you think insurance company profits > have gone up? Do I need to say Yes? > > A few years ago Michigan passed a law to make it impossible to sue > pharmaceutical companies for harmful products. There were several of > those companies in the state, and the legislature justified its action > on the basis of attracting more and retaining the ones that were > here. Wow, talk about a favorable climate, immunity from lawsuits. > Do you suppose that any have moved here? Nooo.... Do you suppose > that the existing ones have stayed? Noooo...they've moved away. I don't know. I've been to Michigan TWICE, both time to the airport. I DO know I've lived in California and Virginia (inside the Beltway) and I've never seen that. Sounds like another place I wouldn't wish to live. And no, don't like insurance companies -- another industry SORELY in need of reform. >> C: become corrupt politicians... these are more evyil than not. We >> need tort reform. >> > > > See the above. "Tort reform" is an advertising buzzword of the > insurance industry, whose profits are soaring. Check out their CEO > salaries. If you've been in a car accident and need extensive medical > treatment and continued therapy to regain your bodily functions, then > let's see what you think of "tort reform" after your insurance company > tells you they've decided not to pay. This is not to say that we have > attained perfection in our legal system. But it's a big warning about > listening to big business telling you what changes need to be made. > Follow the money, and hold on to your wallet. Again, I understand about accidents... but we've all seen the cases where there's some minor accident and it's like the lotto... tell me how you'd fix it? > How about lawyers who file frivolous lawsuits, etc. get disbarred AND > have to pay both parties legal fees and court costs?? > > Yes, there are such cases, and they're about one in a billion, just > like there are evil truck drivers and evil preachers and evil guys on > the GM assembly line. Hmm, there ARE evil truck drivers. Most of their problems stem from being kept on the road for weeks at a time, being miserable, not having had a shower in days, nor enough sleep and being bored to death. That and they're just a-holes. They think it's fun to mess w/ four-wheelers (that'd be you in your car). If there's a back up or a lane shut down, they hold back traffic... makes a small backup HUGE. I have apolicy of FIRING drivers that do that. They don't like me when I say that. My drivers are pretty good, but by gawd, if I catch them doing ignorant stuff, there will be a problem. As for preachers, I don't know. I don't discuss releigion -- EVER. And assembly line people??? Aren't they all union? Don't get me going... another big scam -- needed once, now a cancer. >> And corrupt politicians, well how about public stoning? >> > > > Here's another area in which money has perverted the process. There > have been some bipartisan efforts at campaign finance reform. John > McCain is a Republican who favored it. Yes, but it was flawed. The people need the ability to have some say. Lobbyists ARE a cancer. Sorry, I only have one lobbyist org, the NRA... I know, I'm horrible and evyil.... > These efforts have generally been swamped by the huge financial forces > favoring the current arrangements. Once again, follow the money. See > who pays those lobbyists. Until we really say that the integrity of > the political process is a high priority, much higher than the "litmus > test" issues that tend to distract voters, we're not going to see a > change. How will you fix it before the US goes under? Hell, soon, the way these idots are going, we'll have one big North American nation and our currency will be "Ameros." Do you "Habla?"

I'll answer in the message Bruce Stirling wrote: >Well done, Mr. Downing. You said it better than I could. > >The defense of the "obvious" scum results in appeals, which in turn, >result in appellate and supreme court decisions that define, clarify, >uphold, and protect the rights and liberties of all in this country. >But for said decisions, we would all face greater threats and loss of >liberties from another kind of "obvious scum." Scum comes in all >shapes, sizes, and flavors. I've prosecuted, defended, and sentenced >the criminals you refer to, and in the end, most received their just >punishment. However, there is another kind of scum out there far more >dangerous to your property and civil liberties than the street >criminal. But politics has no place on this board, so I won't go there. > > I believe in much of what you say. How come then, if there is no real difference between some homeless poor person and OJ Simpson, the attorney's fee is not regulated or perhaps partially donated to charity... I sure didn't hear about old Johnny Cochrane doing that. And... I am talking about the cases where the attorney makes some obscene amount (good ole John Edwards springs to mind). >Over the past 28 years I've been a prosecutor, a defense attorney, a >superior court judge pro tem, and I defended tort claims for the >insurance companies. I also filed a few as a plaintiff's lawyer. >Most protections we enjoy in the work place and as consumers were the >direct result of very big tort claims. Have there been abuses? You >bet. We've all heard about the ridiculous McDonald's hot coffee case, >the whacked out administrative law judge who sued the dry cleaner, >etc. These are relatively few and they give us all a bad name, as do >those who charge exhorbitant fees. I've known many scum bag lawyers >over the years. Fortunately, most I know are nice honest people >trying to make a living like everyone else. > > Sorry, to me, just a humble and stupid truck driver, I see stuff all the time where normal and good people get ripped off or what have you. I see stuff like the McDonald's coffe thing, or people falling on purpose. I too have known some really nice lawyers.... however, I, like the vast majority of Americans, feel there needs to be reform. And it was mentioned about doctors... in New Jersey, they have so MANY doctors leaving or changing specialties, that there is a serious shortage of obstetricians :-( HOW would you fix this? >My old college dorm mate, upon learning that I passed the Bar exam, >said, "now you've got your license to steal!" I wasn't exactly sure >what he meant by it. Anyway, after 28 years, I must have done >something wrong. I have a Cal 28, cut my own hair, and my newest >vehicle is five years old. When Charlie warned me the Cal 40, >notwithstanding the $17,000 price was, nevertheless, a $100,000 boat, >I put the dream on hold. I am living on the 300 year life span plan. > >I'll shut up now. Unlike Chris, though, I do appreciate a good lawyer >joke and I've heard and told many. What I do not get though, is what >did the Campbell's do to tick everyone off? > >Beware the "obvious scum!" > I'll leave it w/ this... I see and have known a lot of people in trucking who drive like idiots. Hell, sometimes it's not possible because the normal public does stupid stuff, but most of us really, really detest the ones who give us a bad name. I support cleaning it up. Don't you support cleaningup your industry? All most of us know is that an attory charges outrageous fees and if there IS a big settlement, gets a huge chunk. Maybe they should, I dunno, but... persoanlly, I think there needs to be reform. Marsh

--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Chris Campbell <clcampbell@...> wrote: > > david dobbs wrote: > > Chris, > > I am somewhat tolerant of the spiders, but my crew don't like them, we > > clear them out before sailing. I wish my harbor had some finches > > around, they fly to boats offshore and spend hours devouring all the > > insect life aboard. > > > > > My problem is down below, and I'm not sure I want birds flying around > down there--that would magnify the droppings problem! I think I'll try > the mothballs method for winter storage to see if it will keep 'em out. > > Chris Campbell > I don't know if it works yet, but I've recently been told if u put fabric softener sheets everywhere it will get rid off spiders. JB

Hey, and the boat'll smell better too :-) camaflge wrote: >> >> >I don't know if it works yet, but I've recently been told if u put >fabric softener sheets everywhere it will get rid off spiders. >JB > > > > > > -- Marsh Wise Webmaster: -reenactor.Net: http://www.reenactor.net/ -Foresthill.us: http://www.foresthill.us/ -Legio IX Hispana Penna: http://www.reenactor.net/units/legio_ix_penna/ - 17. Luftwaffe Feld-Division <http://www.reenactor.net/units/17lwfd/> Assistant Webmaster: -VAQ-33 Squadron site: http://www.reenactor.net/vaq-33/ Proud Member (meaning I can just have fun...) -LEGIO IX HISPANA COH III Penna Chapter: http://www.legio-ix-hispana.org/ Netscape Aim/AOL screen name: Sturmkatze Yahoo Messenger screen name: sturmkatze Alteris renumera duplum de quoquo tibi numeraverunt Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.... But then I repeat myself. ~Mark Twain *Last: Hey Dammit! Have you visited the reenactor.Net FORvMS? If not, WHY NOT? Gett your butt over to: http://www.reenactor.net/forums/index.php right now!

camaflge wrote: > > > I don't know if it works yet, but I've recently been told if u put > fabric softener sheets everywhere it will get rid off spiders. > JB > > I tried that last year and it was not notably successful. When we unstepped the Cal 20 masts last Wed., the powerboat owner next to my friend's boat was praising some stuff he had sprayed. Turns out it was Home Defense, the same stuff that somebody here had praised. I may try some mothballs over the winter and see what that does. I'll probably go light, so they don't stink up the boat permanently. Chris Campbell

What is the point of getting rid of spiders? Aren't they predators that may prey on things that are major problems, like termites, or, are termites immune to them? I'm considering getting a pair of tarantulas for my boat. I hear they make great pets, too! They're furry! Maybe they will keep boat burglars at bay, as well! Jerry Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> wrote: camaflge wrote: I don't know if it works yet, but I've recently been told if u put fabric softener sheets everywhere it will get rid off spiders. JB I tried that last year and it was not notably successful. When we unstepped the Cal 20 masts last Wed., the powerboat owner next to my friend's boat was praising some stuff he had sprayed. Turns out it was Home Defense, the same stuff that somebody here had praised. I may try some mothballs over the winter and see what that does. I'll probably go light, so they don't stink up the boat permanently. Chris Campbell

Gerald Sobel wrote: > > What is the point of getting rid of spiders? > While spiders have many virtues, they have a prominent defect: they poop all over my new interior paint. I'm not much aversive to bugs of 6 or 8 leg varieties, but this pooping proclivity takes 'em off my guest list. I just don't like all those black spots. Chris Campbell

the powerboat owner next to my > friend's boat was praising some stuff he had sprayed. Turns out it was > Home Defense, the same stuff that somebody here had praised. I may try > some mothballs over the winter and see what that does. I'll probably go > light, so they don't stink up the boat permanently. > > Chris Campbell > We use euCALyptus leaves. Spiders do not like them. Not too hard to put some in closets or compartments or just scattered around the boat. Get rid of any cardboard, it can attract moisture and the food the spiders eat. The euCALyptus leaves don't smell all that bad either. Get new ones each year, as they do get old and loose that smell and oil. Dust Them Away This from the man who trained the spiders for the movie "Arachnophobia". Spiders have their taste buds on the tips of their legs. They also hate the taste of Lemon Pledge. Dust your window sills and doorframes (put in your boat terms here), with the Pledge, both inside and out, and any areas where they accumulate. The spiders will find that they don't want to live with you. Use osage orange (also called hedgeballs or mock oranges). leave them around - they will eventually just dry up and u can use them to throw at the big noisy boats as they pass by. Wash down the outside of your boat from time to time with lemon dish soap. Can't hurt the inside either I would guess. For parents, pet owners and others who just do not want a lot of chemicals in their home (or boat), there are organic or natural solutions to getting rid of spiders. Some stores sell an organic product that is cedar based. For most this organic spray works fine, unfortunately it needs to be reapplied frequently. USE: Pepperment or lavendar soap & make up a spray. Put 5 tablespoons of the liquid soap into a quart of water, add 5 tablespoons of natural citrus oil: put in sprayer and spray around openings or in corners where the critters may hide. You can also add some of the following Essential oils: Rose oil Citronella Oil Lavender Oil Cinnamon Oil Peppermint Oil Citrus Oil Tea Tree Oil (use this on your cuts and scrapes too) any of the above oils will kill spiders and other insects on contact!"

alas, ain't too many eucalyptus trees out East here :-( sailingbuds wrote: >the powerboat owner next to my > > >>friend's boat was praising some stuff he had sprayed. Turns out it >> >> >was > > >>Home Defense, the same stuff that somebody here had praised. I may >> >> >try > > >>some mothballs over the winter and see what that does. I'll >> >> >probably go > > >>light, so they don't stink up the boat permanently. >> >>Chris Campbell >> >> >> > >We use euCALyptus leaves. Spiders do not like them. Not too hard to >put some in closets or compartments or just scattered around the >boat. Get rid of any cardboard, it can attract moisture and the food >the spiders eat. The euCALyptus leaves don't smell all that bad >either. Get new ones each year, as they do get old and loose that >smell and oil. > > > >Dust Them Away > >This from the man who trained the spiders for the >movie "Arachnophobia". Spiders have their taste buds on the tips of >their legs. They also hate the taste of Lemon Pledge. Dust your >window sills and doorframes (put in your boat terms here), with the >Pledge, both inside and out, and any areas where they accumulate. The >spiders will find that they don't want to live with you. > >Use osage orange (also called hedgeballs or mock oranges). leave them >around - they will eventually just dry up and u can use them to throw >at the big noisy boats as they pass by. > >Wash down the outside of your boat from time to time with lemon dish >soap. Can't hurt the inside either I would guess. > > > >For parents, pet owners and others who just do not want a lot of >chemicals in their home (or boat), there are organic or natural >solutions to getting rid of spiders. Some stores sell an organic >product that is cedar based. > >For most this organic spray works fine, unfortunately it needs to be >reapplied frequently. > >USE: Pepperment or lavendar soap & make up a spray. Put 5 >tablespoons of the liquid soap into a quart of water, add 5 >tablespoons of natural citrus oil: put in sprayer and spray around >openings or in corners where the critters may hide. > >You can also add some of the following Essential oils: >Rose oil >Citronella Oil >Lavender Oil >Cinnamon Oil >Peppermint Oil >Citrus Oil >Tea Tree Oil (use this on your cuts and scrapes too) >any of the above oils will kill spiders and other insects on contact!" > > > > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > -- Marsh Wise Webmaster: -reenactor.Net: http://www.reenactor.net/ -Foresthill.us: http://www.foresthill.us/ -Legio IX Hispana Penna: http://www.reenactor.net/units/legio_ix_penna/ - 17. Luftwaffe Feld-Division <http://www.reenactor.net/units/17lwfd/> Assistant Webmaster: -VAQ-33 Squadron site: http://www.reenactor.net/vaq-33/ Proud Member (meaning I can just have fun...) -LEGIO IX HISPANA COH III Penna Chapter: http://www.legio-ix-hispana.org/ Netscape Aim/AOL screen name: Sturmkatze Yahoo Messenger screen name: sturmkatze Alteris renumera duplum de quoquo tibi numeraverunt Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.... But then I repeat myself. ~Mark Twain *Last: Hey Dammit! Have you visited the reenactor.Net FORvMS? If not, WHY NOT? Gett your butt over to: http://www.reenactor.net/forums/index.php right now!

and the bites of several types can cause big trouble. Reggie >From: Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> >Reply-To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Spiders in the boat (Chris) >Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 15:37:03 -0400 > >Gerald Sobel wrote: >> >>What is the point of getting rid of spiders? >> > > >While spiders have many virtues, they have a prominent defect: they poop >all over my new interior paint. I'm not much aversive to bugs of 6 or 8 >leg varieties, but this pooping proclivity takes 'em off my guest list. I >just don't like all those black spots. > > >Chris Campbell > A place for moms to take a break! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us

I had a friend that had a couple of REALLY big snakes that were usually loose in the house. He didn't worry much about burglars. td From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Gerald Sobel Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 3:02 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Spiders in the boat (Chris) What is the point of getting rid of spiders? Aren't they predators that may prey on things that are major problems, like termites, or, are termites immune to them? I'm considering getting a pair of tarantulas for my boat. I hear they make great pets, too! They're furry! Maybe they will keep boat burglars at bay, as well! Jerry Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> wrote: camaflge wrote: I don't know if it works yet, but I've recently been told if u put fabric softener sheets everywhere it will get rid off spiders. JB I tried that last year and it was not notably successful. When we unstepped the Cal 20 masts last Wed., the powerboat owner next to my friend's boat was praising some stuff he had sprayed. Turns out it was Home Defense, the same stuff that somebody here had praised. I may try some mothballs over the winter and see what that does. I'll probably go light, so they don't stink up the boat permanently. Chris Campbell DISCLAIMER: Important Notice ************************************************* This e-mail may contain information that is confidential, privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not an intended recipient of this e-mail, do not duplicate or redistribute it by any means. Please delete it and any attachments and notify the sender that you have received it in error. Unintended recipients are prohibited from taking action on the basis of information in this e-mail.E-mail messages may contain computer viruses or other defects, may not be accurately replicated on other systems, or may be intercepted, deleted or interfered with without the knowledge of the sender or the intended recipient. If you are not comfortable with the risks associated with e-mail messages, you may decide not to use e-mail to communicate with IPC. IPC reserves the right, to the extent and under circumstances permitted by applicable law, to retain, monitor and intercept e-mail messages to and from its systems.

sailingbuds wrote: > > > We use euCALyptus leaves. Spiders do not like them. > Of course, you guys are probably in euCALIFORNIA where the leaves can be picked up off the ground. I don't think our maple leaves here in Michigan would do the trick. I used to have relatives in California and remember how the eucalyptus smell permeated the SF area. But now they're all deceased or moved away. > > Get rid of any cardboard, it can attract moisture and the food > the spiders eat. > Actually, my spiders eat insects, and there is an ample supply of flying ones around (and in) my boat. The forward hatch and main hatch both admit quite a bit of air when closed, which is fine with me for purposes of ventilation, but every new hatch of little flying bugs decides that it likes the interior of my boat just fine. I tried using some citronella oil to keep the insects (spider food) out but all I could find was lamp oil with citronella. I left a plastic container of that open in the boat with no effect on insect arrivals or spider population. > > This from the man who trained the spiders for the > movie "Arachnophobia". Spiders have their taste buds on the tips of > their legs. They also hate the taste of Lemon Pledge. Dust your > window sills and doorframes (put in your boat terms here), with the > Pledge, both inside and out, and any areas where they accumulate. The > spiders will find that they don't want to live with you. > How about that Pledge--does it contain silicones? I don't want to rub some sort of silicone stuff over portions of the boat that I may want to paint or varnish. I'll try some of the other suggestions, too. Chris Campbell

r good wrote: > > and the bites of several types can cause big trouble. > Well, we in Michigan are mostly free of the peevish sorts of animals. We do have one rattlesnake but it's rare, reclusive, and its venom doesn't kill even if you find one and provoke it into biting you. Among the spiders, I guess we do have a few Brown Recluses (my father discovered one the hard way once) but nothing that kills you. The most virulent pests in Michigan are the deer, large brainless animals that lurk along the roadside and then hurl themselves in front of your vehicle, and that eat everything in sight. Maybe I'll try some eucalyptus leaves or moth balls to drive them away. A plague that kills 'em all off is what I'm really hoping for. And there is a bit of a problem with skunks these days, but skunks are actually friendly and tolerant animals unless you really annoy them. I imagine some skunk spray would be a real spider preventer but it would also prevent you from sailing the boat. Chris Campbell

I have a friend who almost died from a Brown Recluse bite in Fla. Harleigh Ewell Cal 31 From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Campbell Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 9:50 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Spiders in the boat (Chris) r good wrote: and the bites of several types can cause big trouble. Well, we in Michigan are mostly free of the peevish sorts of animals. We do have one rattlesnake but it's rare, reclusive, and its venom doesn't kill even if you find one and provoke it into biting you. Among the spiders, I guess we do have a few Brown Recluses (my father discovered one the hard way once) but nothing that kills you. The most virulent pests in Michigan are the deer, large brainless animals that lurk along the roadside and then hurl themselves in front of your vehicle, and that eat everything in sight. Maybe I'll try some eucalyptus leaves or moth balls to drive them away. A plague that kills 'em all off is what I'm really hoping for. And there is a bit of a problem with skunks these days, but skunks are actually friendly and tolerant animals unless you really annoy them. I imagine some skunk spray would be a real spider preventer but it would also prevent you from sailing the boat. Chris Campbell

Harleigh Ewell wrote: > > I have a friend who almost died from a Brown Recluse bite in Fla. > Florida is a very strange place, and surprising things happen there. Our Michigan spiders are more civilized and orderly. Chris Campbell > > >

The most virulent pests in Michigan are the deer, >large brainless animals that lurk along the roadside and then hurl >themselves in front of your vehicle, and that eat everything in sight. >Maybe I'll try some eucalyptus leaves or moth balls to drive them away. A >plague that kills 'em all off is what I'm really hoping for. It's called Bluetongue Reggie Get a FREE small business Web site and more from Microsoft� Office Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/aub0930003811mrt/direct/01/

Chris, try this link <http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=citronella&btnG=Google+Search> and then surf. Chris Campbell wrote: > I tried using some citronella oil to keep the insects (spider food) > out but all I could find was lamp oil with citronella. I left a > plastic container of that open in the boat with no effect on insect > arrivals or spider population.

Marsh Wise wrote: > > Chris, try *this link > <http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=citronella&btnG=Google+Search>* > and then surf. > > Chris Campbell wrote: > >> I tried using some citronella oil to keep the insects (spider food) >> out but all I could find was lamp oil with citronella. I left a >> plastic container of that open in the boat with no effect on insect >> arrivals or spider population. Thanks for the link. Somewhere I've got a little bottle of Oil of Citronella that my father carried in his fishing tackle box, before all the fancy insect repellents came along. Maybe I'll buy a new supply and try it on the boat. Even if the spiders stuck around, it would be nice to have fewer dead flying bugs down below. Chris Campbell

Reggie, Is it 300 people attacked by deer every year, or 300 hunters killed by angry male deers..those antlers be sharp, and plenty of them! Just think, 300 less road clogging, global warming causing cars with gun toting wackos, gone to the happy hunting grounds in the sky! And we're worried about tiny little bugs? Aren't you glad bugs can't drive? Or deface your home with graffiti? Oh, a sailing I will go, a sailing I will go, hi ho the merry'Oh a-sailing I shall go!! Jerry r good <my… [at] hotmail.com> wrote: The most virulent pests in Michigan are the deer, >large brainless animals that lurk along the roadside and then hurl >themselves in front of your vehicle, and that eat everything in sight. >Maybe I'll try some eucalyptus leaves or moth balls to drive them away. A >plague that kills 'em all off is what I'm really hoping for. It's called Bluetongue Reggie Get a FREE small business Web site and more from Microsoft® Office Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/aub0930003811mrt/direct/01/ Yahoo! Groups Links

Uh Jerr-oh... A: I'm a gun-totin' whacko. Guns is what gives YOU the right to have an opinon and not get sent to a gulag. Second, I like my 10mpg, 1987 Ford 4x4 (actually USED here) pickup -- however, when y'all wish to see the light and convert it to methonal for me, I'm game. My brother won't be though, as his diesel Ford Excursion get's 21mpg on the highway and get this, his license plate is "EVILSUV" :-Þ Jerr, nature ain't really nice. I'm happy to be a human. Humans, not animals built all the sailboats on this planet. Humans, not animals have started all the charities and such. Let's not go there beause A: I can argue all day and all night and B: it pisses people off and C: Scott will drive up to my house and have me flogged. Marsh Gerald Sobel wrote: > Reggie, > Is it 300 people attacked by deer every year, or 300 hunters killed by > angry male deers..those antlers be sharp, and plenty of them! > Just think, 300 less road clogging, global warming causing cars with > gun toting wackos, gone to the happy hunting grounds in the sky! And > we're worried about tiny little bugs? Aren't you glad bugs can't > drive? Or deface your home with graffiti? > Oh, a sailing I will go, a sailing I will go, hi ho the merry'Oh > a-sailing I shall go!! > Jerry > > r good <my… [at] hotmail.com> wrote: > > > The most virulent pests in Michigan are the deer, > >large brainless animals that lurk along the roadside and then hurl > >themselves in front of your vehicle, and that eat everything in > sight. > >Maybe I'll try some eucalyptus leaves or moth balls to drive them > away. A > >plague that kills 'em all off is what I'm really hoping for. > > It's called Bluetongue > Reggie > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get a FREE small business Web site and more from Microsoft® Office > Live! > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/aub0930003811mrt/direct/01/ > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > -- Marsh Wise Webmaster: -reenactor.Net: http://www.reenactor.net/ -Foresthill.us: http://www.foresthill.us/ -Legio IX Hispana Penna: http://www.reenactor.net/units/legio_ix_penna/ - 17. Luftwaffe Feld-Division <http://www.reenactor.net/units/17lwfd/> Assistant Webmaster: -VAQ-33 Squadron site: http://www.reenactor.net/vaq-33/ Proud Member (meaning I can just have fun...) -LEGIO IX HISPANA COH III Penna Chapter: http://www.legio-ix-hispana.org/ Netscape Aim/AOL screen name: Sturmkatze Yahoo Messenger screen name: sturmkatze Alteris renumera duplum de quoquo tibi numeraverunt Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.... But then I repeat myself. ~Mark Twain *Last: Hey Dammit! Have you visited the reenactor.Net FORvMS? If not, WHY NOT? Gett your butt over to: http://www.reenactor.net/forums/index.php right now!

FORD = Fix Or Repair Daily..... ~~ ~ ~_/) ~~ ~~ <giggles......> :)(: ******************* --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Marsh Wise <marsh@...> wrote: > > Uh Jerr-oh... A: I'm a gun-totin' whacko. Guns is what gives YOU the > right to have an opinon and not get sent to a gulag. Second, I like my > 10mpg, 1987 Ford 4x4 (actually USED here) pickup -- however, when y'all > wish to see the light and convert it to methonal for me, I'm game. My > brother won't be though, as his diesel Ford Excursion get's 21mpg on the > highway and get this, his license plate is "EVILSUV" :-Þ Jerr, nature > ain't really nice. I'm happy to be a human. Humans, not animals built > all the sailboats on this planet. Humans, not animals have started all > the charities and such. > > Let's not go there beause A: I can argue all day and all night and B: it > pisses people off and C: Scott will drive up to my house and have me > flogged. > Marsh > > Gerald Sobel wrote: > > > Reggie, > > Is it 300 people attacked by deer every year, or 300 hunters killed by > > angry male deers..those antlers be sharp, and plenty of them! > > Just think, 300 less road clogging, global warming causing cars with > > gun toting wackos, gone to the happy hunting grounds in the sky! And > > we're worried about tiny little bugs? Aren't you glad bugs can't > > drive? Or deface your home with graffiti? > > Oh, a sailing I will go, a sailing I will go, hi ho the merry'Oh > > a-sailing I shall go!! > > Jerry > > > > r good <my1972ih@...> wrote: > > > > > > The most virulent pests in Michigan are the deer, > > >large brainless animals that lurk along the roadside and then hurl > > >themselves in front of your vehicle, and that eat everything in > > sight. > > >Maybe I'll try some eucalyptus leaves or moth balls to drive them > > away. A > > >plague that kills 'em all off is what I'm really hoping for. > > > > It's called Bluetongue > > Reggie > > > > > > Get a FREE small business Web site and more from Microsoft® Office > > Live! > > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/aub0930003811mrt/direct/01/ > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Marsh Wise > Webmaster: > -reenactor.Net: http://www.reenactor.net/ > -Foresthill.us: http://www.foresthill.us/ > -Legio IX Hispana Penna: http://www.reenactor.net/units/legio_ix_penna/ > - 17. Luftwaffe Feld-Division <http://www.reenactor.net/units/17lwfd/> > > Assistant Webmaster: > -VAQ-33 Squadron site: http://www.reenactor.net/vaq-33/ > > Proud Member (meaning I can just have fun...) > -LEGIO IX HISPANA COH III Penna Chapter: http://www.legio-ix- hispana.org/ > > Netscape Aim/AOL screen name: Sturmkatze > > Yahoo Messenger screen name: sturmkatze > > Alteris renumera duplum de quoquo tibi numeraverunt > > Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.... But then I repeat myself. ~Mark Twain > > *Last: Hey Dammit! Have you visited the reenactor.Net FORvMS? If not, WHY NOT? > Gett your butt over to: http://www.reenactor.net/forums/index.php right now! >

PS. fiver is sure glad she doesn't own a "Ford-28 flush-deck"....... LOL...... :)(: ********************************* --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "slickbutfoxbuger" <fiverhrairoo@...> wrote: > > FORD = Fix Or Repair Daily..... ~~ ~ ~_/) ~~ ~~ > > <giggles......> :)(: > > > ******************* > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Marsh Wise <marsh@> wrote: > > > > Uh Jerr-oh... A: I'm a gun-totin' whacko. Guns is what gives YOU > the > > right to have an opinon and not get sent to a gulag. Second, I like > my > > 10mpg, 1987 Ford 4x4 (actually USED here) pickup -- however, when > y'all > > wish to see the light and convert it to methonal for me, I'm game. > My > > brother won't be though, as his diesel Ford Excursion get's 21mpg > on the > > highway and get this, his license plate is "EVILSUV" :-Þ Jerr, > nature > > ain't really nice. I'm happy to be a human. Humans, not animals > built > > all the sailboats on this planet. Humans, not animals have started > all > > the charities and such. > > > > Let's not go there beause A: I can argue all day and all night and > B: it > > pisses people off and C: Scott will drive up to my house and have > me > > flogged. > > Marsh > > > > Gerald Sobel wrote: > > > > > Reggie, > > > Is it 300 people attacked by deer every year, or 300 hunters > killed by > > > angry male deers..those antlers be sharp, and plenty of them! > > > Just think, 300 less road clogging, global warming causing cars > with > > > gun toting wackos, gone to the happy hunting grounds in the sky! > And > > > we're worried about tiny little bugs? Aren't you glad bugs can't > > > drive? Or deface your home with graffiti? > > > Oh, a sailing I will go, a sailing I will go, hi ho the merry'Oh > > > a-sailing I shall go!! > > > Jerry > > > > > > r good <my1972ih@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > The most virulent pests in Michigan are the deer, > > > >large brainless animals that lurk along the roadside and > then hurl > > > >themselves in front of your vehicle, and that eat everything > in > > > sight. > > > >Maybe I'll try some eucalyptus leaves or moth balls to drive > them > > > away. A > > > >plague that kills 'em all off is what I'm really hoping for. > > > > > > It's called Bluetongue > > > Reggie > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Get a FREE small business Web site and more from Microsoft® > Office > > > Live! > > > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/aub0930003811mrt/direct/01/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Marsh Wise > > Webmaster: > > -reenactor.Net: http://www.reenactor.net/ > > -Foresthill.us: http://www.foresthill.us/ > > -Legio IX Hispana Penna: > http://www.reenactor.net/units/legio_ix_penna/ > > - 17. Luftwaffe Feld-Division > <http://www.reenactor.net/units/17lwfd/> > > > > Assistant Webmaster: > > -VAQ-33 Squadron site: http://www.reenactor.net/vaq-33/ > > > > Proud Member (meaning I can just have fun...) > > -LEGIO IX HISPANA COH III Penna Chapter: http://www.legio-ix- > hispana.org/ > > > > Netscape Aim/AOL screen name: Sturmkatze > > > > Yahoo Messenger screen name: sturmkatze > > > > Alteris renumera duplum de quoquo tibi numeraverunt > > > > Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of > Congress.... But then I repeat myself. ~Mark Twain > > > > *Last: Hey Dammit! Have you visited the reenactor.Net FORvMS? If > not, WHY NOT? > > Gett your butt over to: http://www.reenactor.net/forums/index.php > right now! > > >

Marsh, Foist of all, the foist critters to use sails was spiders. Some species weave webs and float away for miles and miles in the wind. Not bad, ehh? Secondly, my 1979 one ton Dodge work van beats yor' 10mpg, it gets 7 to 8 MPG (GPM?) but only when going down steep hill. Secondly, the deer problem be laid at the feet of people who exterminated their natural enemies, the wolves and mountain lions, who mostly eat their young, and keep the stock of deer healthy and control their population, keeping the forest healthy, vs. going after mature successful breeding animals, like robust pointy antlered bucks. That's like a dairy cow.breeder shooting his bestest bull. And, silly as it sounds, the Buffalo was nearly driven to extinction to feed the leather industry in Europe. Thank goodness someone got the bright idea to bring a few to Catalina Island for a Western movie shoot (altho they never used them in the movie). They have been used to form breeding stock in other areas...altho they are slightly contaminated with moo cow genes. Speaking of Buffalo on Catalina, how's the CCCCCCCCC coming along? How many Cals-a-goin'? Who will be going ferrying us to Isthmus for the Pirate's Convention? (Buck an ear days?) Marsh Wise <ma… [at] reenactor.net> wrote: Uh Jerr-oh... A: I'm a gun-totin' whacko. Guns is what gives YOU the right to have an opinon and not get sent to a gulag. Second, I like my 10mpg, 1987 Ford 4x4 (actually USED here) pickup -- however, when y'all wish to see the light and convert it to methonal for me, I'm game. My brother won't be though, as his diesel Ford Excursion get's 21mpg on the highway and get this, his license plate is "EVILSUV" :-Þ Jerr, nature ain't really nice. I'm happy to be a human. Humans, not animals built all the sailboats on this planet. Humans, not animals have started all the charities and such. Let's not go there beause A: I can argue all day and all night and B: it pisses people off and C: Scott will drive up to my house and have me flogged. Marsh Gerald Sobel wrote: Reggie, Is it 300 people attacked by deer every year, or 300 hunters killed by angry male deers..those antlers be sharp, and plenty of them! Just think, 300 less road clogging, global warming causing cars with gun toting wackos, gone to the happy hunting grounds in the sky! And we're worried about tiny little bugs? Aren't you glad bugs can't drive? Or deface your home with graffiti? Oh, a sailing I will go, a sailing I will go, hi ho the merry'Oh a-sailing I shall go!! Jerry r good <my… [at] hotmail.com> wrote: The most virulent pests in Michigan are the deer, >large brainless animals that lurk along the roadside and then hurl >themselves in front of your vehicle, and that eat everything in sight. >Maybe I'll try some eucalyptus leaves or moth balls to drive them away. A >plague that kills 'em all off is what I'm really hoping for. It's called Bluetongue Reggie _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE small business Web site and more from Microsoft® Office Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/aub0930003811mrt/direct/01/ Yahoo! Groups Links -- Marsh Wise Webmaster: -reenactor.Net: http://www.reenactor.net/ -Foresthill.us: http://www.foresthill.us/ -Legio IX Hispana Penna: http://www.reenactor.net/units/legio_ix_penna/ - 17. Luftwaffe Feld-Division <http://www.reenactor.net/units/17lwfd/> Assistant Webmaster: -VAQ-33 Squadron site: http://www.reenactor.net/vaq-33/ Proud Member (meaning I can just have fun...) -LEGIO IX HISPANA COH III Penna Chapter: http://www.legio-ix-hispana.org/ Netscape Aim/AOL screen name: Sturmkatze Yahoo Messenger screen name: sturmkatze Alteris renumera duplum de quoquo tibi numeraverunt Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.... But then I repeat myself. ~Mark Twain *Last: Hey Dammit! Have you visited the reenactor.Net FORvMS? If not, WHY NOT? Gett your butt over to: http://www.reenactor.net/forums/index.php right now!

I owns a Ford Flush deck meself, a 1962 Econoline window van with the 144 cu. inch six..chug chug chug. It gets 14mpg going cross country, pulling a catamaran (sailing content). I'm nearly finished restoring it (me foist cahh) to roadwoithyness. Brakes (breaks) water pump, holes in radiator, volatage regulator, now I gotz tah fix the big rust holes in the roof! Arrgh. Jerry slickbutfoxbuger <fi… [at] aol.com> wrote: PS. fiver is sure glad she doesn't own a "Ford-28 flush-deck"....... LOL...... :)(: ********************************* --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "slickbutfoxbuger" <fiverhrairoo@...> wrote: > > FORD = Fix Or Repair Daily..... ~~ ~ ~_/) ~~ ~~ > > <giggles......> :)(: > > > ******************* > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Marsh Wise <marsh@> wrote: > > > > Uh Jerr-oh... A: I'm a gun-totin' whacko. Guns is what gives YOU > the > > right to have an opinon and not get sent to a gulag. Second, I like > my > > 10mpg, 1987 Ford 4x4 (actually USED here) pickup -- however, when > y'all > > wish to see the light and convert it to methonal for me, I'm game. > My > > brother won't be though, as his diesel Ford Excursion get's 21mpg > on the > > highway and get this, his license plate is "EVILSUV" :-Þ Jerr, > nature > > ain't really nice. I'm happy to be a human. Humans, not animals > built > > all the sailboats on this planet. Humans, not animals have started > all > > the charities and such. > > > > Let's not go there beause A: I can argue all day and all night and > B: it > > pisses people off and C: Scott will drive up to my house and have > me > > flogged. > > Marsh > > > > Gerald Sobel wrote: > > > > > Reggie, > > > Is it 300 people attacked by deer every year, or 300 hunters > killed by > > > angry male deers..those antlers be sharp, and plenty of them! > > > Just think, 300 less road clogging, global warming causing cars > with > > > gun toting wackos, gone to the happy hunting grounds in the sky! > And > > > we're worried about tiny little bugs? Aren't you glad bugs can't > > > drive? Or deface your home with graffiti? > > > Oh, a sailing I will go, a sailing I will go, hi ho the merry'Oh > > > a-sailing I shall go!! > > > Jerry > > > > > > r good <my1972ih@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > The most virulent pests in Michigan are the deer, > > > >large brainless animals that lurk along the roadside and > then hurl > > > >themselves in front of your vehicle, and that eat everything > in > > > sight. > > > >Maybe I'll try some eucalyptus leaves or moth balls to drive > them > > > away. A > > > >plague that kills 'em all off is what I'm really hoping for. > > > > > > It's called Bluetongue > > > Reggie > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > > Get a FREE small business Web site and more from Microsoft® > Office > > > Live! > > > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/aub0930003811mrt/direct/01/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Marsh Wise > > Webmaster: > > -reenactor.Net: http://www.reenactor.net/ > > -Foresthill.us: http://www.foresthill.us/ > > -Legio IX Hispana Penna: > http://www.reenactor.net/units/legio_ix_penna/ > > - 17. Luftwaffe Feld-Division > <http://www.reenactor.net/units/17lwfd/> > > > > Assistant Webmaster: > > -VAQ-33 Squadron site: http://www.reenactor.net/vaq-33/ > > > > Proud Member (meaning I can just have fun...) > > -LEGIO IX HISPANA COH III Penna Chapter: http://www.legio-ix- > hispana.org/ > > > > Netscape Aim/AOL screen name: Sturmkatze > > > > Yahoo Messenger screen name: sturmkatze > > > > Alteris renumera duplum de quoquo tibi numeraverunt > > > > Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of > Congress.... But then I repeat myself. ~Mark Twain > > > > *Last: Hey Dammit! Have you visited the reenactor.Net FORvMS? If > not, WHY NOT? > > Gett your butt over to: http://www.reenactor.net/forums/index.php > right now! > > >

Gerald Sobel wrote: > > Marsh, > Foist of all, the foist critters to use sails was spiders. Some > species weave webs and float away for miles and miles in the wind. Not > bad, ehh? > Secondly, my 1979 one ton Dodge work van beats yor' 10mpg, it gets 7 > to 8 MPG (GPM?) but only when going down steep hill. > > > */Marsh Wise <ma… [at] reenactor.net>/* wrote: > > Second, I _*like*_ my 10mpg, 1987 Ford 4x4 (actually USED here) > pickup -- however, when y'all wish to see the light and convert it > to methonal /for me/, I'm game. > Wow, guys, the Gougeon Brothers' latest _Epoxyworks_ magazine has an article about the two pontoon boats they built, one for each bro., that get about 10 mpg. Most powerboats measure in the gallons-per-mile, not m-p-g, so it's quite remarkable. But it appears that their boats beat your trucks too. Makes me happy with my 28 mpg /overall/ Ford Ranger 4 cyl., and with my 2 gps (gallons per summer) Cal 20. Chris Campbell

I remember a certain 68 F100 pickup with the 144 six that did a better job of getting firewood out of the sticks than some of the newer bigger more powerfull pickups my friends had. Just load it till the springs were flat, put it in low and chug along at about 1200 rpm. Unstoppable. Did break down being a Furd, but hey, it was easy to work on an engine that you could stand right next to without pulling! td From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Gerald Sobel Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 1:50 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Ford Flush Decks was dear Deers.(5'r) I owns a Ford Flush deck meself, a 1962 Econoline window van with the 144 cu. inch six..chug chug chug. It gets 14mpg going cross country, pulling a catamaran (sailing content). I'm nearly finished restoring it (me foist cahh) to roadwoithyness. Brakes (breaks) water pump, holes in radiator, volatage regulator, now I gotz tah fix the big rust holes in the roof! Arrgh. Jerry slickbutfoxbuger <fi… [at] aol.com> wrote: PS. fiver is sure glad she doesn't own a "Ford-28 flush-deck"....... LOL...... :)(: ********************************* --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com, "slickbutfoxbuger" <fiverhrairoo@...> wrote: > > FORD = Fix Or Repair Daily..... ~~ ~ ~_/) ~~ ~~ > > <giggles......> :)(: > > > ******************* > --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com, Marsh Wise <marsh@> wrote: > > > > Uh Jerr-oh... A: I'm a gun-totin' whacko. Guns is what gives YOU > the > > right to have an opinon and not get sent to a gulag. Second, I like > my > > 10mpg, 1987 Ford 4x4 (actually USED here) pickup -- however, when > y'all > > wish to see the light and convert it to methonal for me, I'm game. > My > > brother won't be though, as his diesel Ford Excursion get's 21mpg > on the > > highway and get this, his license plate is "EVILSUV" :-Þ Jerr, > nature > > ain't really nice. I'm happy to be a human. Humans, not animals > built > > all the sailboats on this planet. Humans, not animals have started > all > > the charities and such. > > > > Let's not go there beause A: I can argue all day and all night and > B: it > > pisses people off and C: Scott will drive up to my house and have > me > > flogged. > > Marsh > > > > Gerald Sobel wrote: > > > > > Reggie, > > > Is it 300 people attacked by deer every year, or 300 hunters > killed by > > > angry male deers..those antlers be sharp, and plenty of them! > > > Just think, 300 less road clogging, global warming causing cars > with > > > gun toting wackos, gone to the happy hunting grounds in the sky! > And > > > we're worried about tiny little bugs? Aren't you glad bugs can't > > > drive? Or deface your home with graffiti? > > > Oh, a sailing I will go, a sailing I will go, hi ho the merry'Oh > > > a-sailing I shall go!! > > > Jerry > > > > > > r good <my1972ih@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > The most virulent pests in Michigan are the deer, > > > >large brainless animals that lurk along the roadside and > then hurl > > > >themselves in front of your vehicle, and that eat everything > in > > > sight. > > > >Maybe I'll try some eucalyptus leaves or moth balls to drive > them > > > away. A > > > >plague that kills 'em all off is what I'm really hoping for. > > > > > > It's called Bluetongue > > > Reggie > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > > Get a FREE small business Web site and more from Microsoft® > Office > > > Live! > > > http://clk.atdmt. <http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/aub0930003811mrt/direct/01/> com/MRT/go/aub0930003811mrt/direct/01/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! 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Power boats I drove measured in gallons per hour, often as much as 80. Translated to about 4 gallons per nautical mile. Ouch. td From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Chris Campbell Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 2:15 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats]CCCCC was: deer not so bad, really (Marsh) Gerald Sobel wrote: Marsh, Foist of all, the foist critters to use sails was spiders. Some species weave webs and float away for miles and miles in the wind. Not bad, ehh? Secondly, my 1979 one ton Dodge work van beats yor' 10mpg, it gets 7 to 8 MPG (GPM?) but only when going down steep hill. Marsh Wise <ma… [at] reenactor.net> wrote: Second, I like my 10mpg, 1987 Ford 4x4 (actually USED here) pickup -- however, when y'all wish to see the light and convert it to methonal for me, I'm game. Wow, guys, the Gougeon Brothers' latest Epoxyworks magazine has an article about the two pontoon boats they built, one for each bro., that get about 10 mpg. Most powerboats measure in the gallons-per-mile, not m-p-g, so it's quite remarkable. But it appears that their boats beat your trucks too. Makes me happy with my 28 mpg overall Ford Ranger 4 cyl., and with my 2 gps (gallons per summer) Cal 20. Chris Campbell DISCLAIMER: Important Notice ************************************************* This e-mail may contain information that is confidential, privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not an intended recipient of this e-mail, do not duplicate or redistribute it by any means. Please delete it and any attachments and notify the sender that you have received it in error. Unintended recipients are prohibited from taking action on the basis of information in this e-mail.E-mail messages may contain computer viruses or other defects, may not be accurately replicated on other systems, or may be intercepted, deleted or interfered with without the knowledge of the sender or the intended recipient. If you are not comfortable with the risks associated with e-mail messages, you may decide not to use e-mail to communicate with IPC. IPC reserves the right, to the extent and under circumstances permitted by applicable law, to retain, monitor and intercept e-mail messages to and from its systems.

Well, when the powerball gods bless me, I shall buy a nice Ford Escape Green Explorer to go w/ my S Class Mercedes. :-) Oh yeah, and I'm gonna buy White Squall too and start making copies of her. :-D Then, I'll give one to Fiver so she can mount torpedo tubes, sonar and Harpoon missles. :-Þ Chris Campbell wrote: > Wow, guys, the Gougeon Brothers' latest Epoxyworks magazine has an > article about the two pontoon boats they built, one for each bro., > that get about 10 mpg. Most powerboats measure in the > gallons-per-mile, not m-p-g, so it's quite remarkable. But it appears > that their boats beat your trucks too. > > Makes me happy with my 28 mpg overall Ford Ranger 4 cyl., and with my > 2 gps (gallons per summer) Cal 20. > > Chris Campbell >