Re: [Cal_Boats] novelty racing cruiser?

Re: [Cal_Boats] novelty racing cruiser?

3 messages2007-09-27 20:41 UTCthrough 2007-09-28 13:30 UTC

Re: [Cal_Boats] novelty racing cruiser?

Lord Nougat2007-09-27 20:41 UTC
Funny thing that, though. Around here in LA, for some reason, really nice boats can be had quite cheap most of the time. Just wander around the marina, randomly talking to people, and I found out about 5 different boats that are hypothetically for sale - only one of which was over $9000 [and it was a big Catalina - now why would I EVER go from a Cal to a Catalina?] but none of them seemed like an improvement over my splendid Cal 20. There was a Cal 25 for sale that I only found out about the day it sold to some nice folks from northern CA who bought it for $1500 and were sailing her up to SF that day! I'm holding out for a Cal 28 like the one listed [what makes it a "novelty racing cruiser though?] or a Pearson Triton or the like - after somehow saving up a few thousand dollars. Trouble is, I need to get new sails and redo the rigging on our boat before I can start saving. Then there's that haulout that I've been putting off and new bottom paint. The topsides are looking a bit dull, Et cetera and so forth. All we have to do to get people into sailing is invite them out for an afternoon sail. After that they're hooked usually. Louis Fallon Cal 20, Cabrillo Way Marina, San Pedro CA From: Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 1:16:26 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] novelty racing cruiser? Lord Nougat wrote: Here's a nice, really expensive cal 28 http://losangeles. craigslist. org/wst/boa/ 431938613. html . I'm endlessly amused by the people who don't do things because it's too expensive etc., like sailing.... Here's a nice boat (except maybe for those maroon velour cushions) for $9,000 that could give you many times that in fun and recreation and learning. Maybe it would require some sweat equity to keep maintenance costs down, and keep you away from the TV for a few hours. LA Cal folks had better be calling up their friends who've expressed an interest in sailing. Chris Campbell <!-- { padding:0px 14px;} hr{ } #hd{ color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:bold;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0px;} #ads{ margin-bottom:10px;} .ad{ } .ad a{ color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;} --> <!-- { } #hd{ font-weight:bold;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;} .ad{ margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;} --> <!-- {font-size:13px;font-family:arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;} table {font-size:inherit;font:100%;} select, input, textarea {font:99% arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;} pre, code {font:115% monospace;} * {line-height:1.22em;} { } p{ } { clear:both;} { padding-top:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-size:77%;margin:0;} a{ } { clear:both;margin:25px 0;white-space:nowrap;color:#666;text-align:right;} .left{ float:left;white-space:nowrap;} .bld{font-weight:bold;} { } { border-top:1px solid #666; } #logo{ padding-bottom:10px;} { background-color:#e0ecee;margin-bottom:20px;padding:2px 0 8px 8px;} #vithd{ font-weight:bold;color:#333;text-transform:uppercase;} ul{ } ul li{ list-style-type:none;clear:both;border:1px solid #e0ecee; } ul li .ct{ font-weight:bold;color:#ff7900;float:right;width:2em;text-align:right;padding-right:.5em;} ul li .cat{ font-weight:bold;} a{ text-decoration:none;} a:hover{ text-decoration:underline;} #hd{ color:#999;font-size:77%;} #ov{ background-color:#e0ecee;margin-bottom:20px;} #ov ul{ } #ov li{ list-style-type:square;padding:6px 0;font-size:77%;} #ov li a{ text-decoration:none;font-size:130%;} #nc{ background-color:#eee;margin-bottom:20px;padding:0 8px;} .ad{ } .ad #hd1{ font-weight:bold;color:#628c2a;font-size:100%;line-height:122%;} .ad a{ text-decoration:none;} .ad a:hover{ text-decoration:underline;} .ad p{ } o{font-size:0;} .MsoNormal{ } tt{ } blockquote{margin:0 0 0 4px;} .replbq{margin:4;} --> ____________________________________________________________________________________ Tonight's top picks. What will you watch tonight? Preview the hottest shows on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/

Re: [Cal_Boats] novelty racing cruiser?

Chris Campbell2007-09-28 13:11 UTC
Lord Nougat wrote: > > All we have to do to get people into sailing is invite them out for an > afternoon sail. After that they're hooked usually. > > Louis Fallon > Cal 20, Cabrillo Way Marina, San Pedro CA Especially if you take them sailing on a Cal 20. These are happy boats. Chris Campbell Cal 20 #1220, in her winter berth on the trailer

Costs of boating (was novelty racing cruiser)

Chris Campbell2007-09-28 13:30 UTC
Lord Nougat wrote: > Funny thing that, though. Around here in LA, for some reason, really > nice boats can be had quite cheap most of the time. I'll bet that this reflects berth and maintenance costs. From what I've read on the list, California and other places are affected by condo building booms that replace waterfront businesses and activities with fancy residences and offices bearing no real relation (beyond the view) to the water. The cheapness of the purchase price sometimes cannot compensate for the ongoing expenses to keep a boat in the water. It's part of long term social and economic changes. When waterways were open sewers, they were left to undesirables like sailors and longshoremen. Nobody would want to live there. Industries located themselves there, close to water for industrial processes and for disposal of wastes. They were also transportation centers. You'd find docks and shipbuilding operations. Even the wealthy lived in the centers of towns, near where they shopped and worked. Now we've cleaned the waterfronts up. Human and industrial waste no longer float past. We have heavily subsidized highway transportation so waterborne commerce enjoys little advantage, except for some bulk cargoes or those from across the ocean. People commute long distances between home and work routinely. Now everybody wants to live and work along the water. Those who like to work or play _on_ it in our boats are getting shoved aside. One cheaper option is mooring fields. The condo and office residents can even find these attractive visually. I have two boats. One lives in a community with no moorings and the only option is dockage at marinas. My annual cost for summer dockage and winter storage (including travellift in and out) is about $2,600. The other boat (Cal 20) hangs on my mooring in the summer and is outdoors on the trailer at the storage yard in the winter, for annual costs (including the marina guy hauling and launching via my trailer) of about $700. The old saying about waterfront property is that they're not making any more of it. I don't expect the trend toward living and working on the water to change, except perhaps in those areas where building limits are imposed because of hurricane damage. We all need to think about expanding mooring fields as a way to make boating affordable. Chris Campbell