sheets and haylards

I am replacing some of the sheets and haylards on my Cal 33. without going with the new high tech lines at multi dolars per ft. what would everyone recommend for a new Main sheet. Specs per the '87 owners manual says 1/2". I have looked on-line for pricing and this size will run $0.78 per foot to $1.25 in polyester lines. I do not race so the high tech do not seem to justify the 3x pricing. Does anyone have a decent argument for the added cost? So, cheap, sta-set, sta-set-x or xls or hi-tech? TIA John

Main sheets are constantly trimmed... so I would not worry about stretching lines. I look for the line that best suits the feel in my hand, and resists twisting when going through multiblocks.. a line that has "no lay" like New England's @ 10mm for a 30' boat... halyards are another story... Regatta Braid View Larger Image <javascript:openWin('ProductImages/large/regattabraid_lg.jpg', 350, 350, 'no');> Product Description: Twelve strand single polyester single braid with spun filament for great performance and superior handling.. Features: * Soft * Durable * Supple * Kink free Applications: * Mainsheets * Furling lines Colors Available: * White Lengths Available: * 600' Size Weight Tensile lbs/100' g/m lbs kg 6mm 2.0 29.8 2,500 1,135 8mm 3.0 44.6 3,400 1,544 10mm 3.8 56.5 4,500 2,043 From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of johnraxter Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 4:39 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] sheets and haylards I am replacing some of the sheets and haylards on my Cal 33. without going with the new high tech lines at multi dolars per ft. what would everyone recommend for a new Main sheet. Specs per the '87 owners manual says 1/2". I have looked on-line for pricing and this size will run $0.78 per foot to $1.25 in polyester lines. I do not race so the high tech do not seem to justify the 3x pricing. Does anyone have a decent argument for the added cost? So, cheap, sta-set, sta-set-x or xls or hi-tech? TIA John

Yeah, I was gonna say something like Timm said. 1/2" sounds kind of fat. Handling is the biggest item, and not to worry a whole lot about stretch. Greetings from San Diego. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ti… [at] ch2m.com Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 6:53 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] sheets and haylards Main sheets are constantly trimmed... so I would not worry about stretching lines. I look for the line that best suits the feel in my hand, and resists twisting when going through multiblocks.. a line that has "no lay" like New England's @ 10mm for a 30' boat... halyards are another story... Regatta Braid View Larger Image <javascript:openWin('ProductImages/large/regattabraid_lg.jpg', 350, 350, 'no');> Product Description: Twelve strand single polyester single braid with spun filament for great performance and superior handling.. Features: * Soft * Durable * Supple * Kink free Applications: * Mainsheets * Furling lines Colors Available: * White Lengths Available: * 600' Size Weight Tensile lbs/100' g/m lbs kg 6mm 2.0 29.8 2,500 1,135 8mm 3.0 44.6 3,400 1,544 10mm 3.8 56.5 4,500 2,043 From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of johnraxter Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 4:39 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] sheets and haylards I am replacing some of the sheets and haylards on my Cal 33. without going with the new high tech lines at multi dolars per ft. what would everyone recommend for a new Main sheet. Specs per the '87 owners manual says 1/2". I have looked on-line for pricing and this size will run $0.78 per foot to $1.25 in polyester lines. I do not race so the high tech do not seem to justify the 3x pricing. Does anyone have a decent argument for the added cost? So, cheap, sta-set, sta-set-x or xls or hi-tech? TIA John

ti… [at] ch2m.com wrote: > > Main sheets are constantly trimmed... so I would not worry about > stretching lines. > > I look for the line that best suits the feel in my hand, and resists > twisting when going through multiblocks.. a line that has "no lay" > > like New England's @ 10mm for a 30' boat... halyards are another story... I agree. The mainsheet is perhaps the least critical running rigging since it's relatively lightly loaded and adjustable. I recall when we replaced the mainsheet on my other boat many years ago. We moved up a size just because it was easier on the hands. A lot of iceboats have a skinny running part spliced to a big fat grab-onto part because you're usually wearing mittens or gloves and it's always much easier to grasp a fat line. Now maybe Timm can tell us about the "resists twisting" thing. "No lay" means "not three-strand twisted" in my mind. But the Sta-set I use on the Cal 20 for a mainsheet keeps twisting when it runs through the five sheaves and one fairlead on my mainsheet setup. Pretty soon one of the outboard blocks will rotate and then the sheet is twisted around itself. In light air, you have to push the boom out by hand. Eventually I untie the end and take the twist out and pretty soon it's back again. No, it isn't from coiling the mainsheet for storage. I figure-eight it instead of coiling and theoretically this should avoid twisting the line. What's going on here? Chris Campbell > .

www.ebay.com johnraxter wrote: >I am replacing some of the sheets and haylards on my Cal 33. without >going with the new high tech lines at multi dolars per ft. what would >everyone recommend for a new Main sheet. Specs per the '87 owners >manual says 1/2". I have looked on-line for pricing and this size >will run $0.78 per foot to $1.25 in polyester lines. I do not race so >the high tech do not seem to justify the 3x pricing. Does anyone have >a decent argument for the added cost? > >So, cheap, sta-set, sta-set-x or xls or hi-tech? > >TIA > >John > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > -- Marsh Wise Webmaster: -reenactor.Net: http://www.reenactor.net/ -Foresthill.us: http://www.foresthill.us/ -Legio IX Hispana Penna: http://www.reenactor.net/units/legio_ix_penna/ - 17. Luftwaffe Feld-Division <http://www.reenactor.net/units/17lwfd/> Assistant Webmaster: -VAQ-33 Squadron site: http://www.reenactor.net/vaq-33/ Proud Member (meaning I can just have fun...) -LEGIO IX HISPANA COH III Penna Chapter: http://www.legio-ix-hispana.org/ Netscape Aim/AOL screen name: Sturmkatze Yahoo Messenger screen name: sturmkatze Alteris renumera duplum de quoquo tibi numeraverunt Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.... But then I repeat myself. ~Mark Twain *Last: Hey Dammit! Have you visited the reenactor.Net FORvMS? If not, WHY NOT? Gett your butt over to: http://www.reenactor.net/forums/index.php right now!

I Think the low stretch stuff would be wasted on a mainsheet since there would be minimal stretch due to multiplying effect of the 6:1 or 8:1 tackle you likely have. I would only use spectra (or other) for stuff like halyards and jib or spin sheets. An rigger friend of mine once told me there is no point in low stretch lines unless you have a low stretch boat... ie melges or other carbon fiber dingy on steroids. Of course it can be a pain so splice too...... Frank Cal 31 restless

I'd stay away from sta-set X for sheets, the stuff is way too stiff, better to have softer lines that don't kink and jam up in your blocks!!!! I had a friend who had sta-set X in his jib halyards, and in my opinion it was unsatisfactory. In fact if there is something better than double braid, I'd go for it. My double braid jib halyards, I think they are sta-set, tend to kink and jam. Ick! Some folks said it is better not to "twist-coil" double braid. Better to lay them down in figure eights. Jerry Marsh Wise <ma… [at] reenactor.net> wrote: www.ebay.com johnraxter wrote: I am replacing some of the sheets and haylards on my Cal 33. without going with the new high tech lines at multi dolars per ft. what would everyone recommend for a new Main sheet. Specs per the '87 owners manual says 1/2". I have looked on-line for pricing and this size will run $0.78 per foot to $1.25 in polyester lines. I do not race so the high tech do not seem to justify the 3x pricing. Does anyone have a decent argument for the added cost? So, cheap, sta-set, sta-set-x or xls or hi-tech? TIA John Yahoo! Groups Links -- Marsh Wise Webmaster: -reenactor.Net: http://www.reenactor.net/ -Foresthill.us: http://www.foresthill.us/ -Legio IX Hispana Penna: http://www.reenactor.net/units/legio_ix_penna/ - 17. Luftwaffe Feld-Division <http://www.reenactor.net/units/17lwfd/> Assistant Webmaster: -VAQ-33 Squadron site: http://www.reenactor.net/vaq-33/ Proud Member (meaning I can just have fun...) -LEGIO IX HISPANA COH III Penna Chapter: http://www.legio-ix-hispana.org/ Netscape Aim/AOL screen name: Sturmkatze Yahoo Messenger screen name: sturmkatze Alteris renumera duplum de quoquo tibi numeraverunt Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.... But then I repeat myself. ~Mark Twain *Last: Hey Dammit! Have you visited the reenactor.Net FORvMS? If not, WHY NOT? Gett your butt over to: http://www.reenactor.net/forums/index.php right now!