Bruce, on your 28...

Bruce, on your 28...

16 messages2007-10-15 21:46 through 2007-10-17 13:23 UTC

Bruce, on your 28...

rickallwein2007-10-15 21:46
Do you have any fittings on your deck near the shroud chainplates? Specifically about 12" in front of, and 18" behind them. Removing the old ply core from the deck I found some old holes there that were filled with caulk and covered with paint, but alas, nothing bolted there. I'm imagining they're for the storm and working jib??? The hole in front of the chainplate is single and the one behind is a larger hole with 2 smaller holes, one on either side Thanks, Rick

Re: Bruce, on your 28...

Bruce Stirling2007-10-16 03:13
Rick, All of the hardware on my deck can be seen on the photos found on this page: http://www.stirlinglaw.com/cal28/cal28photos/ Not much there. Richard Fuller, owner of Old Flat Top, another 1965 Cal 28, could probably answer some of your questions. He tore his boat apart and rebuilt it and posted all of the photos online for all of us to see. He has the original Cal 28 site (at least it was there before mine). Richard is a group member and probably saw your post, too. There is a link to his site found on mine somewhere where I list all individual Cal sites I can find. Bruce --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "rickallwein" <rickallwein@...> wrote: > > Do you have any fittings on your deck near the shroud chainplates? > > Specifically about 12" in front of, and 18" behind them. Removing the > old ply core from the deck I found some old holes there that were > filled with caulk and covered with paint, but alas, nothing bolted > there. > > I'm imagining they're for the storm and working jib??? The hole in > front of the chainplate is single and the one behind is a larger hole > with 2 smaller holes, one on either side > > Thanks, Rick >

Re: Bruce, on your 28...

slickbutfoxbuger2007-10-16 03:32
if you don't mind me cutting in here...... my 28 was rigged for racing early on. and there is nothing on her deck in the spots that you are concerned with........ fiver ****************************** --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Stirling" <bruce@...> wrote: > > Rick, > > All of the hardware on my deck can be seen on the photos found on this > page: http://www.stirlinglaw.com/cal28/cal28photos/ > > Not much there. Richard Fuller, owner of Old Flat Top, another 1965 > Cal 28, could probably answer some of your questions. He tore his > boat apart and rebuilt it and posted all of the photos online for all > of us to see. He has the original Cal 28 site (at least it was there > before mine). Richard is a group member and probably saw your post, > too. There is a link to his site found on mine somewhere where I list > all individual Cal sites I can find. > > Bruce > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "rickallwein" <rickallwein@> wrote: > > > > Do you have any fittings on your deck near the shroud chainplates? > > > > Specifically about 12" in front of, and 18" behind them. Removing the > > old ply core from the deck I found some old holes there that were > > filled with caulk and covered with paint, but alas, nothing bolted > > there. > > > > I'm imagining they're for the storm and working jib??? The hole in > > front of the chainplate is single and the one behind is a larger hole > > with 2 smaller holes, one on either side > > > > Thanks, Rick > > >

Holes in a CAL 28

Husar, Charlie [USA]2007-10-16 13:18 UTC
Several possibilities. There might have been a strap installed for attaching twingers to control the chute in heavy air. There might have been some pad eyes for leading back a jib Cunningham or even a jib furler line. Might the holes match any of these. The inside overhead of a much raced CAL 25 can look like Swiss cheese as prior owners have added and taken out doodads to perform various functions. Rigging is a very personal thing. (I know this statement is a set-up for the wiseacres.) Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Stirling Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 11:14 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Bruce, on your 28... Rick, All of the hardware on my deck can be seen on the photos found on this page: http://www.stirlinglaw.com/cal28/cal28photos/ Not much there. Richard Fuller, owner of Old Flat Top, another 1965 Cal 28, could probably answer some of your questions. He tore his boat apart and rebuilt it and posted all of the photos online for all of us to see. He has the original Cal 28 site (at least it was there before mine). Richard is a group member and probably saw your post, too. There is a link to his site found on mine somewhere where I list all individual Cal sites I can find. Bruce --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "rickallwein" <rickallwein@...> wrote: > > Do you have any fittings on your deck near the shroud chainplates? > > Specifically about 12" in front of, and 18" behind them. Removing the > old ply core from the deck I found some old holes there that were > filled with caulk and covered with paint, but alas, nothing bolted > there. > > I'm imagining they're for the storm and working jib??? The hole in > front of the chainplate is single and the one behind is a larger hole > with 2 smaller holes, one on either side > > Thanks, Rick

Re: Bruce, on your 28...

rickallwein2007-10-16 18:49
--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "rickallwein" <rickallwein@...> wrote: > > Do you have any fittings- Thanks Charlie and Fiver- Your right, they could have been almost anything, but then where is the storm or working jib supposed to be sheeted? Bruce I've seen alot of the recent pics on your site, your boat is a real beauty! And also some new data on original sails,great stuff! But even on the original drawing and pictures it doesn't seem to show this info. Thanks, Rick

RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: Bruce, on your 28...

Husar, Charlie [USA]2007-10-16 19:04 UTC
Rick, a storm or working jib is usually high cut at the clew, so it comes back to the block that is used for larger jibs/jennys. There is a sail called a jib top that has a high clew as a mid size sail and sheets aft. I think it is supposed to keep the seas from filling a lower clewed sail. Also gives good visibility under the sail. I have one for my CAL 40. I have or had deck sweepers (low clew) No.2 and 90 percent blade jibs. These require track on the foredeck. The 90 percenter sheeted inside the shrouds. It is possible that a sail could track through a pad eye or some such, but the sails we are discussing would normally have higher clews, and thus trim farther back. Didn't like the blade. Shape did not seem to be meant for a CAL 25. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of rickallwein Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 2:49 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Bruce, on your 28... --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "rickallwein" <rickallwein@...> wrote: > > Do you have any fittings- Thanks Charlie and Fiver- Your right, they could have been almost anything, but then where is the storm or working jib supposed to be sheeted? Bruce I've seen alot of the recent pics on your site, your boat is a real beauty! And also some new data on original sails,great stuff! But even on the original drawing and pictures it doesn't seem to show this info. Thanks, Rick Yahoo! Groups Links

Re: Bruce, on your 28...

rickallwein2007-10-16 19:39
Charlie, thanks for the reply, it seems possible that they could have used the jennoa tracks and winch to sheet the jib, I understand what your saying about the higher clew, makes sense. I guess a sailmaker, perhaps Sailrite, would even have some idea if I were to pick up a used jib that was sized differently.. I saw a C28 down in annapolis in june but, regretably, didn't have the time to chat with them, and didn't even think to look for a name on the boat. Plenty of time though, it's just something that's been on my mind. Thanks, Rick http://pronecartcity.com/dasboot/lehiem.html --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <husar_charlie@...> wrote: > > Rick, a storm or working jib is usually high cut at the clew, so it > comes back to the block that is used for larger jibs/jennys. There is a > sail called a jib top that has a high clew as a mid size sail and sheets > aft. I think it is supposed to keep the seas from filling a lower > clewed sail. Also gives good visibility under the sail. I have one for > my CAL 40. > > I have or had deck sweepers (low clew) No.2 and 90 percent blade jibs. > These require track on the foredeck. The 90 percenter sheeted inside > the shrouds. It is possible that a sail could track through a pad eye > or some such, but the sails we are discussing would normally have higher > clews, and thus trim farther back. Didn't like the blade. Shape did > not seem to be meant for a CAL 25. > > Cheers > Charlie > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of rickallwein > Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 2:49 PM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Bruce, on your 28... > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "rickallwein" <rickallwein@> wrote: > > > > Do you have any fittings- > > Thanks Charlie and Fiver- Your right, they could have been almost > anything, but then where is the storm or working jib supposed to be > sheeted? > > Bruce I've seen alot of the recent pics on your site, your boat is a > real beauty! And also some new data on original sails,great stuff! > But even on the original drawing and pictures it doesn't seem to show > this info. > > Thanks, Rick > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links >

RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: Bruce, on your 28...

John Boyce2007-10-16 22:23 UTC
I once sailed on a CAL-28 that had a spinnaker staysail that was supposed to fill the area down low under the chute. I think it was sheeted near the chaiinplates. It was notably successful in keeping the crews attention away from the spinnaker and thus slowed the boat down a great deal. _____ From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Husar, Charlie [USA] Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 2:05 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: Bruce, on your 28... Rick, a storm or working jib is usually high cut at the clew, so it comes back to the block that is used for larger jibs/jennys. There is a sail called a jib top that has a high clew as a mid size sail and sheets aft. I think it is supposed to keep the seas from filling a lower clewed sail. Also gives good visibility under the sail. I have one for my CAL 40. I have or had deck sweepers (low clew) No.2 and 90 percent blade jibs. These require track on the foredeck. The 90 percenter sheeted inside the shrouds. It is possible that a sail could track through a pad eye or some such, but the sails we are discussing would normally have higher clews, and thus trim farther back. Didn't like the blade. Shape did not seem to be meant for a CAL 25. Cheers Charlie From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com [mailto:Cal_Boats@yahoogrou <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com] On Behalf Of rickallwein Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 2:49 PM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Bruce, on your 28... --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com, "rickallwein" <rickallwein@...> wrote: > > Do you have any fittings- Thanks Charlie and Fiver- Your right, they could have been almost anything, but then where is the storm or working jib supposed to be sheeted? Bruce I've seen alot of the recent pics on your site, your boat is a real beauty! And also some new data on original sails,great stuff! But even on the original drawing and pictures it doesn't seem to show this info. Thanks, Rick Yahoo! Groups Links

RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: Bruce, on your 28...

Bruce Stirling2007-10-16 23:28 UTC
Fiver, You can always cut in. Fiver is in the process of remaking her Cal 28, too, but to a standard never imagined by Jensen Marine. I anxiously await her progress. Bruce From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of slickbutfoxbuger Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 8:33 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Bruce, on your 28... if you don't mind me cutting in here...... my 28 was rigged for racing early on. and there is nothing on her deck in the spots that you are concerned with........ fiver ****************************** --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Stirling" <bruce@...> wrote: > > Rick, > > All of the hardware on my deck can be seen on the photos found on this > page: http://www.stirlinglaw.com/cal28/cal28photos/ > > Not much there. Richard Fuller, owner of Old Flat Top, another 1965 > Cal 28, could probably answer some of your questions. He tore his > boat apart and rebuilt it and posted all of the photos online for all > of us to see. He has the original Cal 28 site (at least it was there > before mine). Richard is a group member and probably saw your post, > too. There is a link to his site found on mine somewhere where I list > all individual Cal sites I can find. > > Bruce > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "rickallwein" <rickallwein@> wrote: > > > > Do you have any fittings on your deck near the shroud chainplates? > > > > Specifically about 12" in front of, and 18" behind them. Removing the > > old ply core from the deck I found some old holes there that were > > filled with caulk and covered with paint, but alas, nothing bolted > > there. > > > > I'm imagining they're for the storm and working jib??? The hole in > > front of the chainplate is single and the one behind is a larger hole > > with 2 smaller holes, one on either side > > > > Thanks, Rick > > >

RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: Bruce, on your 28...

Bruce Stirling2007-10-17 01:02 UTC
Thanks, Rick. There are several photos of Cal 28s found online in for sale ads I borrowed. If I see a good looking Cal boat I borrow the photo for "fair use" instructional purposes to educate the world about Cals. Like I know anything . . . . Build a web site and they will come! So some of the photos you liked may have been the boats of others. There is a really nice one from British Columbia named Island Fling. Looks like the raised deck is covered with some kind of wood, as is the cockpit, kind of like the bigger Cals. But on behalf of all displayed boats, they thank you. Here is Island Fling. Anyone know anything about her? How much hassle to do the woodwork like this? Cost mucho? From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of rickallwein Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 11:49 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Bruce, on your 28... --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "rickallwein" <rickallwein@...> wrote: > > Do you have any fittings- Thanks Charlie and Fiver- Your right, they could have been almost anything, but then where is the storm or working jib supposed to be sheeted? Bruce I've seen alot of the recent pics on your site, your boat is a real beauty! And also some new data on original sails,great stuff! But even on the original drawing and pictures it doesn't seem to show this info. Thanks, Rick

RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: Bruce, on your 28...

Bruce Stirling2007-10-17 01:21 UTC
Or is that just paint? From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Bruce Stirling Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 6:02 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: Bruce, on your 28... Thanks, Rick. There are several photos of Cal 28s found online in for sale ads I borrowed. If I see a good looking Cal boat I borrow the photo for "fair use" instructional purposes to educate the world about Cals. Like I know anything . . . . Build a web site and they will come! So some of the photos you liked may have been the boats of others. There is a really nice one from British Columbia named Island Fling. Looks like the raised deck is covered with some kind of wood, as is the cockpit, kind of like the bigger Cals. But on behalf of all displayed boats, they thank you. Here is Island Fling. Anyone know anything about her? How much hassle to do the woodwork like this? Cost mucho? From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of rickallwein Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 11:49 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Bruce, on your 28... --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "rickallwein" <rickallwein@...> wrote: > > Do you have any fittings- Thanks Charlie and Fiver- Your right, they could have been almost anything, but then where is the storm or working jib supposed to be sheeted? Bruce I've seen alot of the recent pics on your site, your boat is a real beauty! And also some new data on original sails,great stuff! But even on the original drawing and pictures it doesn't seem to show this info. Thanks, Rick

Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Bruce, on your 28...

Marsh Wise2007-10-17 02:33 UTC
Me too.... I'm kinda curious where the Harpoon missle laucher and Phalanx gun will go :-) Bruce Stirling wrote: > Fiver, > > You can always cut in. Fiver is in the process of remaking her Cal > 28, too, but to a standard never imagined by Jensen Marine. I > anxiously await her progress. > > Bruce > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On > Behalf Of slickbutfoxbuger > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 8:33 PM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Bruce, on your 28... > > if you don't mind me cutting in here...... > > my 28 was rigged for racing early on. and there is nothing on her > deck in the spots that you are concerned with........ > > fiver > > ****************************** > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>, > "Bruce Stirling" <bruce@...> wrote: > > > > Rick, > > > > All of the hardware on my deck can be seen on the photos found on > this > > page: http://www.stirlinglaw.com/cal28/cal28photos/ > <http://www.stirlinglaw.com/cal28/cal28photos/> > > > > Not much there. Richard Fuller, owner of Old Flat Top, another 1965 > > Cal 28, could probably answer some of your questions. He tore his > > boat apart and rebuilt it and posted all of the photos online for > all > > of us to see. He has the original Cal 28 site (at least it was > there > > before mine). Richard is a group member and probably saw your post, > > too. There is a link to his site found on mine somewhere where I > list > > all individual Cal sites I can find. > > > > Bruce > > > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>, "rickallwein" <rickallwein@> > wrote: > > > > > > Do you have any fittings on your deck near the shroud > chainplates? > > > > > > Specifically about 12" in front of, and 18" behind them. > Removing the > > > old ply core from the deck I found some old holes there that were > > > filled with caulk and covered with paint, but alas, nothing bolted > > > there. > > > > > > I'm imagining they're for the storm and working jib??? The hole > in > > > front of the chainplate is single and the one behind is a larger > hole > > > with 2 smaller holes, one on either side > > > > > > Thanks, Rick > > > > > > > -- Marsh Wise Webmaster: -reenactor.Net: http://www.reenactor.net/ -Foresthill.us: http://www.foresthill.us/ -Legio IX Hispana Penna: http://www.reenactor.net/units/legio_ix_penna/ - 17. Luftwaffe Feld-Division <http://www.reenactor.net/units/17lwfd/> Assistant Webmaster: -VAQ-33 Squadron site: http://www.reenactor.net/vaq-33/ Proud Member (meaning I can just have fun...) -LEGIO IX HISPANA COH III Penna Chapter: http://www.legio-ix-hispana.org/ Netscape Aim/AOL screen name: Sturmkatze Yahoo Messenger screen name: sturmkatze Alteris renumera duplum de quoquo tibi numeraverunt Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.... But then I repeat myself. ~Mark Twain *Last: Hey Dammit! Have you visited the reenactor.Net FORvMS? If not, WHY NOT? Gett your butt over to: http://www.reenactor.net/forums/index.php right now!

snagging Cal pix (Bruce)

Marsh Wise2007-10-17 02:38 UTC
I do the same thing... if I see a Cal 25 pix, I save it... seen some neat stuff doing that. Marsh Bruce Stirling wrote: > Thanks, Rick. There are several photos of Cal 28s found online in for > sale ads I borrowed. If I see a good looking Cal boat I borrow the > photo for "fair use" instructional purposes to educate the world about > Cals. Like I know anything . . . . Build a web site and they will come!

Wood on CAL 28 and Sail Stuff (Bruce)

Husar, Charlie [USA]2007-10-17 10:34 UTC
May not be wood, Bruce, but if it is, don't even think about it. Will be painful forever more. Note the high cut jib that blocks back in the cockpit. Also note that you would like to have your reef lines pull back some on the main (to flatten the foot) rather than having the lines come straight down as shown. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Stirling Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 9:02 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: Bruce, on your 28... Thanks, Rick. There are several photos of Cal 28s found online in for sale ads I borrowed. If I see a good looking Cal boat I borrow the photo for "fair use" instructional purposes to educate the world about Cals. Like I know anything . . . . Build a web site and they will come! So some of the photos you liked may have been the boats of others. There is a really nice one from British Columbia named Island Fling. Looks like the raised deck is covered with some kind of wood, as is the cockpit, kind of like the bigger Cals. But on behalf of all displayed boats, they thank you. Here is Island Fling. Anyone know anything about her? How much hassle to do the woodwork like this? Cost mucho? From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of rickallwein Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 11:49 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Bruce, on your 28... --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> , "rickallwein" <rickallwein@...> wrote: > > Do you have any fittings- Thanks Charlie and Fiver- Your right, they could have been almost anything, but then where is the storm or working jib supposed to be sheeted? Bruce I've seen alot of the recent pics on your site, your boat is a real beauty! And also some new data on original sails,great stuff! But even on the original drawing and pictures it doesn't seem to show this info. Thanks, Rick

RE: [Cal_Boats] Reefing lines (was Wood on CAL 28)

Downing, Thomas2007-10-17 12:00 UTC
I dunno if it is a 'done thing' or not, but I take a bit different approach to controling the foot when reefed. I have my flattener hooked into the flattener cringle by a cunningham hook. When I reef I just move the hook tot the reef cringle, and control the foot that way. Saves tinkering with the ideal location of the reef line without the alternative of the placing the reef cheek block on a track. Both the leach reef and the flattener run through the boom and back to the cockpit. td From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Husar, Charlie [USA] Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 6:34 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Wood on CAL 28 and Sail Stuff (Bruce) May not be wood, Bruce, but if it is, don't even think about it. Will be painful forever more. Note the high cut jib that blocks back in the cockpit. Also note that you would like to have your reef lines pull back some on the main (to flatten the foot) rather than having the lines come straight down as shown. Cheers Charlie _____ Recent Activity * 2 New <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cal_Boats/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJnMjN2amNpBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE2NDg1Njk1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2NTc5MgRzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMTkyNjE3MzY5> Members Visit <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cal_Boats;_ylc=X3oDMTJmdGZudmZnBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE2NDg1Njk1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2NTc5MgRzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzExOTI2MTczNjk-> Your Group Y! Sports for TV Access <http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=12j1lv4b9/M=493064.10729671.11699924.9977693/D=groups/S=1705065792:NC/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1192624569/A=4767085/R=0/SIG=127pn01k0/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49021/*http://digitalhome.yahoo.com/sports> it for free Get Fantasy Sports stats on your TV. Yahoo! News Odd <http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=12jlfnvn1/M=493064.10729659.11333350.8674578/D=groups/S=1705065792:NC/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1192624569/A=3848614/R=0/SIG=12t4qk00m/*http://news.yahoo.com/i/757;_ylt=A9FJqYzfwK5EFCQAswis0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3NW1oMDRpBHNlYwM3NTc-> News You won't believe it, but it's true Yahoo! Finance It's <http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=12jo6799d/M=493064.10729649.11333340.8674578/D=groups/S=1705065792:NC/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1192624569/A=4507179/R=0/SIG=12de4rskk/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=50284/*http://finance.yahoo.com/personal-finance> Now Personal Guides, news, advice & more. . <http://portal.mxlogic.com/images/transparent.gif> DISCLAIMER: Important Notice ************************************************* This e-mail may contain information that is confidential, privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not an intended recipient of this e-mail, do not duplicate or redistribute it by any means. Please delete it and any attachments and notify the sender that you have received it in error. Unintended recipients are prohibited from taking action on the basis of information in this e-mail.E-mail messages may contain computer viruses or other defects, may not be accurately replicated on other systems, or may be intercepted, deleted or interfered with without the knowledge of the sender or the intended recipient. If you are not comfortable with the risks associated with e-mail messages, you may decide not to use e-mail to communicate with IPC. IPC reserves the right, to the extent and under circumstances permitted by applicable law, to retain, monitor and intercept e-mail messages to and from its systems.

Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Bruce, on your 28...

Chris Campbell2007-10-17 13:23 UTC
Bruce Stirling wrote: > > Or is that just paint? > > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]*On Behalf Of *Bruce Stirling > ** > There is a really nice one from British Columbia named Island Fling. > Looks like the raised deck is covered with some kind of wood, as is > the cockpit, kind of like the bigger Cals. But on behalf of all > displayed boats, they thank you. > > Here is Island Fling. Anyone know anything about her? How much > hassle to do the woodwork like this? Cost mucho? > > Looks like somebody dressed up a standard-issue Cal 28 with a lot of wood trim. Looks good in the photo. But let me warn you that bright-finished wood trim is only for those willing to do the annual maintenance. My other boat, a 1961 Seafarer "Polaris" model, has lots of mahogany trim and parts. There's a toe rail around the deck, hatches, coamings, handrails, winch pads. She has spruce spars and spinnaker pole and an ash tiller. The toe rail and mast get varnished every year, since they're exposed. Other sections, protected by a cover, get it in a rotation depending upon need. Last spring was the 39th time I've done this. She looks good and gets lots of admiring comments, so I have incentive to be diligent. I see a lot of woodworking projects on boats that suffer from (a) poor engineering or understanding of water, and (b) lack of maintenance. You must keep moisture out of your bright-finished project or it will lift the varnish right off. This means proper sealing and bedding. And you must apply enough varnish initially, and keep it up afterward, to prevent rapid deterioration. It can be done. My boat looks pretty good in her 46th year. I sailed on the schooner /Brilliant/ a couple years ago, and she was beautiful, but she has a paid crew including a devoted captain. My Cal 20 has a varnished mahogany rudder and tiller and a varnished companionway drop board. I've also made mahogany pads for under the forward mooring cleats, the cabin-top jib sheet cleats, and the stern light. There's a mahogany flagstaff holder at the after end of the cockpit. It's not too much work but dresses up the boat. The addition of a lot of wood trim to the Cal 28 in the picture must affect weight and center of gravity. You pay a price for looks when they are applied and not integral to the structure. Chris Campbell