Books: Paper or Plastic? [was Re: Capt. Joshua Slocum's Sailing Alone Around the World]

Tom cites a lot of excellent advantages for paper books over e-books. However, in spite of being a fellow Luddite, I will point out that we must start to consider alternative views of our world and our behavior as we enter the shoal waters of scarce resources. Too often, people do the wrong things with very good intentions. Sticking with paper books may be one example; I'm not sure that's the case, but here are some points to consider: 950,000 book titles published annually worldwide 25,276 newspapers worldwide 80,000 mass market and trade magazines published worldwide 94.8 metric tons of printing and writing paper produced annually worldwide 37.8 metric tons of newsprint produced annually worldwide The average newsprint paper mill consumes 2,850 kilowatt-hours per ton of paper produced, and 3.56 GigaJoules per ton of fossil fuel. Creating an electronic book reader certainly has energy costs, but there probably is a cross-over point where it is less than producing and handling all that paper (even if you recycle the paper which probably only happens in a small fraction of cases). Audio CDs have a smaller energy budget than vinyl records, and MP3s are even more energy efficient than CDs, I believe. It's not a cut-and-dried situation, but I expect that there is a case for electronic books to result in enormous energy and resource savings compared with paper publication. It's a switch that can be made; anybody here using electronic charting? (mandatory sailing content) Alfred Poor 1969 Cal 29 #132, "Pentaquod"

Excellent points, good data. It would be good to know the uses of the paper produced as percentages: what percent goes to books, to newsprint, to magazines, etc. And for books, what percent goes to trade paperback as opposed to other types of books. I would be happy to read pulp via electronic. I also suspect that those who invest in hardcover editions are making an investment in the future to some extent. Periodicals I only read via electronic as it is. Sailing content: so do I now need to get a laptop and satellite internet for my boat? Say it aint so... td From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Alfred Poor Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 9:20 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Books: Paper or Plastic? [was Re: Capt. Joshua Slocum's Sailing Alone Around the World] Tom cites a lot of excellent advantages for paper books over e-books. However, in spite of being a fellow Luddite, I will point out that we must start to consider alternative views of our world and our behavior as we enter the shoal waters of scarce resources. Too often, people do the wrong things with very good intentions. Sticking with paper books may be one example; I'm not sure that's the case, but here are some points to consider: 950,000 book titles published annually worldwide 25,276 newspapers worldwide 80,000 mass market and trade magazines published worldwide 94.8 metric tons of printing and writing paper produced annually worldwide 37.8 metric tons of newsprint produced annually worldwide The average newsprint paper mill consumes 2,850 kilowatt-hours per ton of paper produced, and 3.56 GigaJoules per ton of fossil fuel. Creating an electronic book reader certainly has energy costs, but there probably is a cross-over point where it is less than producing and handling all that paper (even if you recycle the paper which probably only happens in a small fraction of cases). Audio CDs have a smaller energy budget than vinyl records, and MP3s are even more energy efficient than CDs, I believe. It's not a cut-and-dried situation, but I expect that there is a case for electronic books to result in enormous energy and resource savings compared with paper publication. It's a switch that can be made; anybody here using electronic charting? (mandatory sailing content) Alfred Poor 1969 Cal 29 #132, "Pentaquod" DISCLAIMER: Important Notice ************************************************* This e-mail may contain information that is confidential, privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not an intended recipient of this e-mail, do not duplicate or redistribute it by any means. Please delete it and any attachments and notify the sender that you have received it in error. Unintended recipients are prohibited from taking action on the basis of information in this e-mail.E-mail messages may contain computer viruses or other defects, may not be accurately replicated on other systems, or may be intercepted, deleted or interfered with without the knowledge of the sender or the intended recipient. If you are not comfortable with the risks associated with e-mail messages, you may decide not to use e-mail to communicate with IPC. IPC reserves the right, to the extent and under circumstances permitted by applicable law, to retain, monitor and intercept e-mail messages to and from its systems.

Hello Listees, I'm considering replacing my genoa winches with a pair of self tailers.... Looking for suggestions/recommendations on make/model, new/used,etc. Also, I'm in salt water... should I even consider aluminum or focus on chrome plated bronze? Thanks, Michael Duvall s/v Magic, Cal 2-27 Pompano Beach, FL __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

My laptop allows for broadband Internet out on the water. Cell phones, web access, and email access on the water are luxuries that can really come in handy. We used a hand-held Garmin to plot way points on the laptop. At least we did on our only journey thus far along the California coast. Just in case, we had the paper charts, too. Since we paid so little for the boat on eBay, we allowed a little splurge for the toys. But sending email to this group, photos to the group, or home, while on the water is a nice instant reward that continues to boggle my mind. Accessing electronic charts updated on the web was recommended to us by the Coast Guard after we grounded outside the channel on our initial entry into the south bay in San Diego. The Coast Guard used the same chart I did, but with handwritten updates pulled from the web. They seemed surprised when I told them I had not accessed the updated materials online. Who knew? I complained to the marina that their chart sucked. It is a digital world.

These are great ! http://www.andersenwinches.com/Winches/Standard%20Self-Tailing/Intro.aspx<http://www.andersenwinches.com/Winches/Standard%20Self-Tailing/Intro.aspx> We have replaced the primaries on Radiant with 52's, and the secondaries with 40's. Very satisfied. Light-as-aluminum, strong, virtually no abrasion on the sheets, and look good. Fin Beven Cal-40 #24 Radiant San Pedro, Ca ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael D<mailto:md… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 6:29 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Genoa Winch Replacement Hello Listees, I'm considering replacing my genoa winches with a pair of self tailers.... Looking for suggestions/recommendations on make/model, new/used,etc. Also, I'm in salt water... should I even consider aluminum or focus on chrome plated bronze? Thanks, Michael Duvall s/v Magic, Cal 2-27 Pompano Beach, FL __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

I;ve been in the computing business since about '80, designing both hardware and software and it really doesn't have the flavor that it used to have. Maybe it's me. But even if I am jaded, I still am occasionally brought up short by the fantastic wonder of the actuallity: I push a button here in CT, and presto, something happens is Tokyo. It's magic - theres no other explaination.. But I sitll ain't getting a PC on the boat! (I don't even have a GPS, but maybe I'll break down and get one.) td From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Bruce Stirling Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 9:54 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] laptop and satellite internet for boat? My laptop allows for broadband Internet out on the water. Cell phones, web access, and email access on the water are luxuries that can really come in handy. We used a hand-held Garmin to plot way points on the laptop. At least we did on our only journey thus far along the California coast. Just in case, we had the paper charts, too. Since we paid so little for the boat on eBay, we allowed a little splurge for the toys. But sending email to this group, photos to the group, or home, while on the water is a nice instant reward that continues to boggle my mind. Accessing electronic charts updated on the web was recommended to us by the Coast Guard after we grounded outside the channel on our initial entry into the south bay in San Diego. The Coast Guard used the same chart I did, but with handwritten updates pulled from the web. They seemed surprised when I told them I had not accessed the updated materials online. Who knew? I complained to the marina that their chart sucked. It is a digital world. DISCLAIMER: Important Notice ************************************************* This e-mail may contain information that is confidential, privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not an intended recipient of this e-mail, do not duplicate or redistribute it by any means. Please delete it and any attachments and notify the sender that you have received it in error. Unintended recipients are prohibited from taking action on the basis of information in this e-mail.E-mail messages may contain computer viruses or other defects, may not be accurately replicated on other systems, or may be intercepted, deleted or interfered with without the knowledge of the sender or the intended recipient. If you are not comfortable with the risks associated with e-mail messages, you may decide not to use e-mail to communicate with IPC. IPC reserves the right, to the extent and under circumstances permitted by applicable law, to retain, monitor and intercept e-mail messages to and from its systems.

i am sure BB-54 will be happy to have you old ones as a donation (what ever they were)....... :)(: <giggles.....> ********************** --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Fin Beven" <finbeven@...> wrote: > > These are great ! > > http://www.andersenwinches.com/Winches/Standard%20Self- Tailing/Intro.aspx<http://www.andersenwinches.com/Winches/Standard% 20Self-Tailing/Intro.aspx> > > We have replaced the primaries on Radiant with 52's, and the secondaries with 40's. > > Very satisfied. Light-as-aluminum, strong, virtually no abrasion on the sheets, and look good. > > Fin Beven > Cal-40 #24 > Radiant > San Pedro, Ca > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Michael D<mailto:mddfl@...> > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 6:29 AM > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Genoa Winch Replacement > > > Hello Listees, > > I'm considering replacing my genoa winches with a pair of self tailers.... Looking for suggestions/recommendations on make/model, new/used,etc. Also, I'm in salt water... should I even consider aluminum or focus on chrome plated bronze? > > Thanks, > Michael Duvall > s/v Magic, Cal 2-27 > Pompano Beach, FL > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com >

that's all the books and magazines in the world? Sounds a bit small... Alfred Poor wrote: > Tom cites a lot of excellent advantages for paper books over e-books. > However, in spite of being a fellow Luddite, I will point out that we > must start to consider alternative views of our world and our behavior > as we enter the shoal waters of scarce resources. Too often, people do > the wrong things with very good intentions. Sticking with paper books > may be one example; I'm not sure that's the case, but here are some > points to consider: > > > > 950,000 book titles published annually worldwide > > 25,276 newspapers worldwide > > 80,000 mass market and trade magazines published worldwide > > > > 94.8 metric tons of printing and writing paper produced annually worldwide > > 37.8 metric tons of newsprint produced annually worldwide > > > > The average newsprint paper mill consumes 2,850 kilowatt-hours per ton > of paper produced, and 3.56 GigaJoules per ton of fossil fuel. > > > > Creating an electronic book reader certainly has energy costs, but > there probably is a cross-over point where it is less than producing > and handling all that paper (even if you recycle the paper which > probably only happens in a small fraction of cases). Audio CDs have a > smaller energy budget than vinyl records, and MP3s are even more > energy efficient than CDs, I believe. > > > > It's not a cut-and-dried situation, but I expect that there is a case > for electronic books to result in enormous energy and resource savings > compared with paper publication. It's a switch that can be made; > anybody here using electronic charting? (mandatory sailing content) > > > > > > Alfred Poor > > 1969 Cal 29 #132, "Pentaquod" > > > > -- Marsh Wise Webmaster: -reenactor.Net: http://www.reenactor.net/ -Foresthill.us: http://www.foresthill.us/ -Legio IX Hispana Penna: http://www.reenactor.net/units/legio_ix_penna/ - 17. Luftwaffe Feld-Division <http://www.reenactor.net/units/17lwfd/> Assistant Webmaster: -VAQ-33 Squadron site: http://www.reenactor.net/vaq-33/ Proud Member (meaning I can just have fun...) -LEGIO IX HISPANA COH III Penna Chapter: http://www.legio-ix-hispana.org/ Netscape Aim/AOL screen name: Sturmkatze Yahoo Messenger screen name: sturmkatze Alteris renumera duplum de quoquo tibi numeraverunt Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.... But then I repeat myself. ~Mark Twain *Last: Hey Dammit! Have you visited the reenactor.Net FORvMS? If not, WHY NOT? Gett your butt over to: http://www.reenactor.net/forums/index.php right now!

Note that's 950,000 titles, which you have to multiply by the number of each title published to get the total number of books. Then there's also the amount of energy required to move the raw materials to the publishing plant, then move the published books to the point of sale or directly to the reader. I love books, and treasure my sailing books (RSC) but you have to look at the whole picture. From: sentto-16485695-9334-1194369710-george.a.elwers=sa… [at] returns.groups.yahoo.com on behalf of Marsh Wise Sent: Tue 11/6/2007 9:21 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Books: Paper or Plastic? [was Re: Capt. Joshua Slocum's Sailing Alone Around the World] that's all the books and magazines in the world? Sounds a bit small... Alfred Poor wrote: Tom cites a lot of excellent advantages for paper books over e-books. However, in spite of being a fellow Luddite, I will point out that we must start to consider alternative views of our world and our behavior as we enter the shoal waters of scarce resources. Too often, people do the wrong things with very good intentions. Sticking with paper books may be one example; I'm not sure that's the case, but here are some points to consider: 950,000 book titles published annually worldwide 25,276 newspapers worldwide 80,000 mass market and trade magazines published worldwide 94.8 metric tons of printing and writing paper produced annually worldwide 37.8 metric tons of newsprint produced annually worldwide The average newsprint paper mill consumes 2,850 kilowatt-hours per ton of paper produced, and 3.56 GigaJoules per ton of fossil fuel. Creating an electronic book reader certainly has energy costs, but there probably is a cross-over point where it is less than producing and handling all that paper (even if you recycle the paper which probably only happens in a small fraction of cases). Audio CDs have a smaller energy budget than vinyl records, and MP3s are even more energy efficient than CDs, I believe. It's not a cut-and-dried situation, but I expect that there is a case for electronic books to result in enormous energy and resource savings compared with paper publication. It's a switch that can be made; anybody here using electronic charting? (mandatory sailing content) Alfred Poor 1969 Cal 29 #132, "Pentaquod" -- Marsh Wise Webmaster: -reenactor.Net: http://www.reenactor.net/ <http://www.reenactor.net/> -Foresthill.us: http://www.foresthill.us/ <http://www.foresthill.us/> -Legio IX Hispana Penna: http://www.reenactor.net/units/legio_ix_penna/ <http://www.reenactor.net/units/legio_ix_penna/> - 17. Luftwaffe Feld-Division <http://www.reenactor.net/units/17lwfd/> <http://www.reenactor.net/units/17lwfd/> Assistant Webmaster: -VAQ-33 Squadron site: http://www.reenactor.net/vaq-33/ <http://www.reenactor.net/vaq-33/> Proud Member (meaning I can just have fun...) -LEGIO IX HISPANA COH III Penna Chapter: http://www.legio-ix-hispana.org/ <http://www.legio-ix-hispana.org/> Netscape Aim/AOL screen name: Sturmkatze Yahoo Messenger screen name: sturmkatze Alteris renumera duplum de quoquo tibi numeraverunt Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.... But then I repeat myself. ~Mark Twain *Last: Hey Dammit! Have you visited the reenactor.Net FORvMS? If not, WHY NOT? Gett your butt over to: http://www.reenactor.net/forums/index.php <http://www.reenactor.net/forums/index.php> right now!

ahhh, titles.. brain fart on my part :-0 Elwers, George A. wrote: >Note that's 950,000 titles, which you have to multiply by the number of each title published to get the total number of books. Then there's also the amount of energy required to move the raw materials to the publishing plant, then move the published books to the point of sale or directly to the reader. I love books, and treasure my sailing books (RSC) but you have to look at the whole picture. > >________________________________ > >From: sentto-16485695-9334-1194369710-george.a.elwers=sa… [at] returns.groups.yahoo.com on behalf of Marsh Wise >Sent: Tue 11/6/2007 9:21 AM >To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Books: Paper or Plastic? [was Re: Capt. Joshua Slocum's Sailing Alone Around the World] > > > >that's all the books and magazines in the world? Sounds a bit small... > >Alfred Poor wrote: > > > Tom cites a lot of excellent advantages for paper books over e-books. However, in spite of being a fellow Luddite, I will point out that we must start to consider alternative views of our world and our behavior as we enter the shoal waters of scarce resources. Too often, people do the wrong things with very good intentions. Sticking with paper books may be one example; I'm not sure that's the case, but here are some points to consider: > > > > 950,000 book titles published annually worldwide > > 25,276 newspapers worldwide > > 80,000 mass market and trade magazines published worldwide > > > > 94.8 metric tons of printing and writing paper produced annually worldwide > > 37.8 metric tons of newsprint produced annually worldwide > > > > The average newsprint paper mill consumes 2,850 kilowatt-hours per ton of paper produced, and 3.56 GigaJoules per ton of fossil fuel. > > > > Creating an electronic book reader certainly has energy costs, but there probably is a cross-over point where it is less than producing and handling all that paper (even if you recycle the paper which probably only happens in a small fraction of cases). Audio CDs have a smaller energy budget than vinyl records, and MP3s are even more energy efficient than CDs, I believe. > > > > It's not a cut-and-dried situation, but I expect that there is a case for electronic books to result in enormous energy and resource savings compared with paper publication. It's a switch that can be made; anybody here using electronic charting? (mandatory sailing content) > > > > > > Alfred Poor > > 1969 Cal 29 #132, "Pentaquod" > > > > > > > > -- Marsh Wise Webmaster: -reenactor.Net: http://www.reenactor.net/ -Foresthill.us: http://www.foresthill.us/ -Legio IX Hispana Penna: http://www.reenactor.net/units/legio_ix_penna/ - 17. Luftwaffe Feld-Division <http://www.reenactor.net/units/17lwfd/> Assistant Webmaster: -VAQ-33 Squadron site: http://www.reenactor.net/vaq-33/ Proud Member (meaning I can just have fun...) -LEGIO IX HISPANA COH III Penna Chapter: http://www.legio-ix-hispana.org/ Netscape Aim/AOL screen name: Sturmkatze Yahoo Messenger screen name: sturmkatze Alteris renumera duplum de quoquo tibi numeraverunt Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.... But then I repeat myself. ~Mark Twain *Last: Hey Dammit! Have you visited the reenactor.Net FORvMS? If not, WHY NOT? Gett your butt over to: http://www.reenactor.net/forums/index.php right now!

Ma'am, m'thinks the old winches would sink your boat. A couple of our CAL 25s went to Andersens (smaller ones, of course) and are very happy with them. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of slickbutfoxbuger Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 11:31 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Genoa Winch - Andersen i am sure BB-54 will be happy to have you old ones as a donation (what ever they were)....... :)(: <giggles.....> ********************** --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Fin Beven" <finbeven@...> wrote: > > These are great ! > > http://www.andersenwinches.com/Winches/Standard%20Self- Tailing/Intro.aspx<http://www.andersenwinches.com/Winches/Standard% 20Self-Tailing/Intro.aspx> > > We have replaced the primaries on Radiant with 52's, and the secondaries with 40's. > > Very satisfied. Light-as-aluminum, strong, virtually no abrasion on the sheets, and look good. > > Fin Beven > Cal-40 #24 > Radiant > San Pedro, Ca > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Michael D<mailto:mddfl@...> > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 6:29 AM > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Genoa Winch Replacement > > > Hello Listees, > > I'm considering replacing my genoa winches with a pair of self tailers.... Looking for suggestions/recommendations on make/model, new/used,etc. Also, I'm in salt water... should I even consider aluminum or focus on chrome plated bronze? > > Thanks, > Michael Duvall > s/v Magic, Cal 2-27 > Pompano Beach, FL > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > Yahoo! Groups Links

Self tailers are a great addition, I wouldn't be without them. I have a set of Barient 21-33 winches on my 2-27 the size is great, I can trim my 155 genoa in with one hand while steering upwind. Fortunately, due to some serious design flaws, even used Barient winches are hard to find. Barient switched to a line stripper that is made in part of a very light duty piece of plastic which can be purchased from Australia for only $22 plus freight. So avoid used Barients with this feature. Another consideration is the ability to pull the line in through the self tailer. I sailed on a boat that had Lewmar self tailers that allowed the line to be pulled in by hand while it was in the jaws, this was great when we were racing avoiding that awkward transition. Without this capability we have turned it into a two man job with one person pulling the line and a second adding the cranking after the line is 80% in followed by self tailing by the trimmer as we come back up to speed. _____ From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael D Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 9:30 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Genoa Winch Replacement Hello Listees, I'm considering replacing my genoa winches with a pair of self tailers.... Looking for suggestions/recommendations on make/model, new/used,etc. Also, I'm in salt water... should I even consider aluminum or focus on chrome plated bronze? Thanks, Michael Duvall s/v Magic, Cal 2-27 Pompano Beach, FL Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Didn't I read somewhere about a self-tailing upgrade available for non-self-tailing winches? Are they any good? From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of John Boyce Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 2:17 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Genoa Winch Replacement Self tailers are a great addition, I wouldn't be without them. I have a set of Barient 21-33 winches on my 2-27 the size is great, I can trim my 155 genoa in with one hand while steering upwind. Fortunately, due to some serious design flaws, even used Barient winches are hard to find. Barient switched to a line stripper that is made in part of a very light duty piece of plastic which can be purchased from Australia for only $22 plus freight. So avoid used Barients with this feature. Another consideration is the ability to pull the line in through the self tailer. I sailed on a boat that had Lewmar self tailers that allowed the line to be pulled in by hand while it was in the jaws, this was great when we were racing avoiding that awkward transition. Without this capability we have turned it into a two man job with one person pulling the line and a second adding the cranking after the line is 80% in followed by self tailing by the trimmer as we come back up to speed. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael D Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 9:30 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Genoa Winch Replacement Hello Listees, I'm considering replacing my genoa winches with a pair of self tailers.... Looking for suggestions/recommendations on make/model, new/used,etc. Also, I'm in salt water... should I even consider aluminum or focus on chrome plated bronze? Thanks, Michael Duvall s/v Magic, Cal 2-27 Pompano Beach, FL Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Yes, there is a plastic wedgie-goodie disk thingie which slips over the top rim of the standard winch. I was on a boat that had them years ago, and they worked fine. They gripped the rode like Armstrong Tires. wooops, i dated meself! (Armstrong Tires??) BTW I've been corresponding with someone trying to sell his Cal 28 on Ebay, he has got a leak somewhere and thinks it's around his outboard well. Any ideas? Boy do I need another boat like a hole in my head, especially one down in San Diego on a mooring buoy that I can't access easily to check it out. I've given up looking at non-Cal boats, they all have stingy bunks built for little guys. Jerry --- On Tue, 11/6/07, Bruce Stirling <br… [at] stirlinglaw.com> wrote: From: Bruce Stirling <br… [at] stirlinglaw.com> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Genoa Winch Replacement To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, November 6, 2007, 4:25 PM Didn't I read somewhere about a self-tailing upgrade available for non-self-tailing winches? Are they any good? From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of John Boyce Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 2:17 PM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Genoa Winch Replacement Self tailers are a great addition, I wouldn't be without them. I have a set of Barient 21-33 winches on my 2-27 the size is great, I can trim my 155 genoa in with one hand while steering upwind. Fortunately, due to some serious design flaws, even used Barient winches are hard to find. Barient switched to a line stripper that is made in part of a very light duty piece of plastic which can be purchased from Australia for only $22 plus freight. So avoid used Barients with this feature. Another consideration is the ability to pull the line in through the self tailer. I sailed on a boat that had Lewmar self tailers that allowed the line to be pulled in by hand while it was in the jaws, this was great when we were racing avoiding that awkward transition. Without this capability we have turned it into a two man job with one person pulling the line and a second adding the cranking after the line is 80% in followed by self tailing by the trimmer as we come back up to speed. From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of Michael D Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 9:30 AM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Genoa Winch Replacement Hello Listees, I'm considering replacing my genoa winches with a pair of self tailers.... Looking for suggestions/ recommendations on make/model, new/used,etc. Also, I'm in salt water... should I even consider aluminum or focus on chrome plated bronze? Thanks, Michael Duvall s/v Magic, Cal 2-27 Pompano Beach, FL ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail. yahoo.com

Yep, I have two of those as well. They grip very well and can be used as self tailers, but they rely on the line pushing up the drum and gaining friction against the bottom of the rubber. When you want to let the line out a little you have a problem getting it to release without removing most of the wraps. _____ From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Stirling Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 7:26 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Genoa Winch Replacement Didn't I read somewhere about a self-tailing upgrade available for non-self-tailing winches? Are they any good? From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of John Boyce Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 2:17 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Genoa Winch Replacement Self tailers are a great addition, I wouldn't be without them. I have a set of Barient 21-33 winches on my 2-27 the size is great, I can trim my 155 genoa in with one hand while steering upwind. Fortunately, due to some serious design flaws, even used Barient winches are hard to find. Barient switched to a line stripper that is made in part of a very light duty piece of plastic which can be purchased from Australia for only $22 plus freight. So avoid used Barients with this feature. Another consideration is the ability to pull the line in through the self tailer. I sailed on a boat that had Lewmar self tailers that allowed the line to be pulled in by hand while it was in the jaws, this was great when we were racing avoiding that awkward transition. Without this capability we have turned it into a two man job with one person pulling the line and a second adding the cranking after the line is 80% in followed by self tailing by the trimmer as we come back up to speed. _____ From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael D Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 9:30 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Genoa Winch Replacement Hello Listees, I'm considering replacing my genoa winches with a pair of self tailers.... Looking for suggestions/recommendations on make/model, new/used,etc. Also, I'm in salt water... should I even consider aluminum or focus on chrome plated bronze? Thanks, Michael Duvall s/v Magic, Cal 2-27 Pompano Beach, FL Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Hi, I have Lewmar Ocean Series 30ST, 2- speed self tailing. No problem with these. I'm glad I have 2- speed, as single speed is not enough to get the 155% trimmed. Not sure about the modification of standard winches. My guess is that they are not nearly as effective as the real thing. If you don't want to spend the $900.00 each, you might try buying used. Ther are plenty out there. Good Luck, Bill

If you can afford the Anderson's, I have heard wonderful things about them and they look fabulous. A good friend offered me a pair of Lewmar 16 STs for my cabin top too cheap to pass up. Unfortunately, it was such a great improvement over my old Barient 10s that I got all worked up and ordered new Primary and Secondaries in matching Lewmar Chrome self-tailers. Stainless would have been nice, but these were really cheap and should last the life of my sailing career at the rate I am aging. Sigh..... Although I watched ebay for a couple of weeks, I discovered that new ones weren't much more money if you searched online. Defender has great prices on Lewmar Winches and shipped promptly. They had a special on the 34ST, which was cheaper than the 30ST because the 34 is discontinued and they had a lot of them. They work absolutely wonderful and should be overkill for my Cal 29. The 30, 34 and 40 ST winches all share the same footprint - just internal gearing differences. The 30s should be adequate for the Cal 29, but I'm getting old and like things easy, so I bout a pair of 34s for secondaries and the 40s for primaries. The 34s mounted with a bit of an "overbite" that far back on the coaming, but they look and function great. Single Handing is so much easier now and my crew loves the additional power and ease of grinding in the big genoa with the 40s. All of my cockpit crew are very smart, athletic young women, and I want them happy. David Wilkie Owen Cal 2-29 "Mariposa" Santa Barbara, CA http://www.mariposasailing.com From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 7:11 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Genoa Winch Replacement Hi, I have Lewmar Ocean Series 30ST, 2- speed self tailing. No problem with these. I'm glad I have 2- speed, as single speed is not enough to get the 155% trimmed. Not sure about the modification of standard winches. My guess is that they are not nearly as effective as the real thing. If you don't want to spend the $900.00 each, you might try buying used. Ther are plenty out there. Good Luck, Bill

We've been pleased with the Arco self-tailing winches we installed on our 27. Price was great when compared to other brands. Reggie To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.comFrom: fi… [at] msn.comDate: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 07:21:45 -0800Subject: [Cal_Boats] Genoa Winch - Andersen These are great ! http://www.andersenwinches.com/Winches/Standard%20Self-Tailing/Intro.aspx We have replaced the primaries on Radiant with 52's, and the secondaries with 40's. Very satisfied. Light-as-aluminum, strong, virtually no abrasion on the sheets, and look good. Fin Beven Cal-40 #24 Radiant San Pedro, Ca From: Michael D To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 6:29 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Genoa Winch Replacement Hello Listees,I'm considering replacing my genoa winches with a pair of self tailers.... Looking for suggestions/recommendations on make/model, new/used,etc. Also, I'm in salt water... should I even consider aluminum or focus on chrome plated bronze?Thanks,Michael Duvalls/v Magic, Cal 2-27Pompano Beach, FL __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

agree on two speed. Reggie To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.comFrom: w.… [at] sbcglobal.netDate: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 15:11:16 +0000Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Genoa Winch Replacement Hi, I have Lewmar Ocean Series 30ST, 2- speed self tailing. No problem with these. I'm glad I have 2- speed, as single speed is not enough to get the 155% trimmed. Not sure about the modification of standard winches. My guess is that they are not nearly as effective as the real thing. If you don't want to spend the $900.00 each, you might try buying used. Ther are plenty out there. Good Luck, Bill

Well, OCCASSIONALLY you end up with crew which cannot live up to that description! Reggie To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.comFrom: dw… [at] cox.netDate: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 09:27:24 -0800Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: Genoa Winch Replacement If you can afford the Anderson's, I have heard wonderful things about themand they look fabulous. A good friend offered me a pair of Lewmar 16 STs for my cabin top too cheapto pass up. Unfortunately, it was such a great improvement over my oldBarient 10s that I got all worked up and ordered new Primary and Secondariesin matching Lewmar Chrome self-tailers. Stainless would have been nice, butthese were really cheap and should last the life of my sailing career at therate I am aging. Sigh.....Although I watched ebay for a couple of weeks, I discovered that new onesweren't much more money if you searched online. Defender has great priceson Lewmar Winches and shipped promptly. They had a special on the 34ST,which was cheaper than the 30ST because the 34 is discontinued and they hada lot of them. They work absolutely wonderful and should be overkill for myCal 29. The 30, 34 and 40 ST winches all share the same footprint - just internalgearing differences. The 30s should be adequate for the Cal 29, but I'mgetting old and like things easy, so I bout a pair of 34s for secondariesand the 40s for primaries. The 34s mounted with a bit of an "overbite" thatfar back on the coaming, but they look and function great.Single Handing is so much easier now and my crew loves the additional powerand ease of grinding in the big genoa with the 40s. All of my cockpit creware very smart, athletic young women, and I want them happy. David Wilkie Owen_________________Cal 2-29 "Mariposa"Santa Barbara, CAhttp://www.mariposasailing.com-----Original Message-----From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On BehalfOf BillSent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 7:11 AMTo: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.comSubject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Genoa Winch ReplacementHi, I have Lewmar Ocean Series 30ST, 2- speed self tailing. No problem withthese. I'm glad I have 2- speed, as single speed is not enough to get the155% trimmed. Not sure about the modification of standard winches. My guessis that they are not nearly as effective as the real thing. If you don'twant to spend the $900.00 each, you might try buying used. Ther are plentyout there. Good Luck, Bill

My foredeck crew is a guy and he promised to wear a skirt in order to keep his job, but I gave him a pass on that... the thought was just to horrible to contemplate. You get a pass because you bring Barbara along.... Wilkie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of r good Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 10:46 AM To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: Genoa Winch Replacement Well, OCCASSIONALLY you end up with crew which cannot live up to that description! Reggie To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: dw… [at] cox.net Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 09:27:24 -0800 Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: Genoa Winch Replacement If you can afford the Anderson's, I have heard wonderful things about them and they look fabulous. A good friend offered me a pair of Lewmar 16 STs for my cabin top too cheap to pass up. Unfortunately, it was such a great improvement over my old Barient 10s that I got all worked up and ordered new Primary and Secondaries in matching Lewmar Chrome self-tailers. Stainless would have been nice, but these were really cheap and should last the life of my sailing career at the rate I am aging. Sigh..... Although I watched ebay for a couple of weeks, I discovered that new ones weren't much more money if you searched online. Defender has great prices on Lewmar Winches and shipped promptly. They had a special on the 34ST, which was cheaper than the 30ST because the 34 is discontinued and they had a lot of them. They work absolutely wonderful and should be overkill for my Cal 29. The 30, 34 and 40 ST winches all share the same footprint - just internal gearing differences. The 30s should be adequate for the Cal 29, but I'm getting old and like things easy, so I bout a pair of 34s for secondaries and the 40s for primaries. The 34s mounted with a bit of an "overbite" that far back on the coaming, but they look and function great. Single Handing is so much easier now and my crew loves the additional power and ease of grinding in the big genoa with the 40s. All of my cockpit crew are very smart, athletic young women, and I want them happy. David Wilkie Owen _________________ Cal 2-29 "Mariposa" Santa Barbara, CA http://www.mariposasailing.com <http://www.mariposasailing.com/> -----Original Message----- From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Bill Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 7:11 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Genoa Winch Replacement Hi, I have Lewmar Ocean Series 30ST, 2- speed self tailing. No problem with these. I'm glad I have 2- speed, as single speed is not enough to get the 155% trimmed. Not sure about the modification of standard winches. My guess is that they are not nearly as effective as the real thing. If you don't want to spend the $900.00 each, you might try buying used. Ther are plenty out there. Good Luck, Bill

Hi, Would someone mind taking a photo of the transom of their Cal31 so I can match the position and style of split backstay arrangement. I am converting my Cal 31 over from my hyraulic adjuster to a split system with tackle. Thanks Frank

David, You never told me that your crew was Y,A,F. And you have super self-tailing winches to boot! I'm definitley coming for the next Catalina Caper. Regards, David Dobbs "David W. Owen" <dw… [at] cox.net> wrote: If you can afford the Anderson's, I have heard wonderful things about them and they look fabulous. A good friend offered me a pair of Lewmar 16 STs for my cabin top too cheap to pass up. Unfortunately, it was such a great improvement over my old Barient 10s that I got all worked up and ordered new Primary and Secondaries in matching Lewmar Chrome self-tailers. Stainless would have been nice, but these were really cheap and should last the life of my sailing career at the rate I am aging. Sigh..... Although I watched ebay for a couple of weeks, I discovered that new ones weren't much more money if you searched online. Defender has great prices on Lewmar Winches and shipped promptly. They had a special on the 34ST, which was cheaper than the 30ST because the 34 is discontinued and they had a lot of them. They work absolutely wonderful and should be overkill for my Cal 29. The 30, 34 and 40 ST winches all share the same footprint - just internal gearing differences. The 30s should be adequate for the Cal 29, but I'm getting old and like things easy, so I bout a pair of 34s for secondaries and the 40s for primaries. The 34s mounted with a bit of an "overbite" that far back on the coaming, but they look and function great. Single Handing is so much easier now and my crew loves the additional power and ease of grinding in the big genoa with the 40s. All of my cockpit crew are very smart, athletic young women, and I want them happy. David Wilkie Owen Cal 2-29 "Mariposa" Santa Barbara, CA http://www.mariposasailing.com From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 7:11 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Genoa Winch Replacement Hi, I have Lewmar Ocean Series 30ST, 2- speed self tailing. No problem with these. I'm glad I have 2- speed, as single speed is not enough to get the 155% trimmed. Not sure about the modification of standard winches. My guess is that they are not nearly as effective as the real thing. If you don't want to spend the $900.00 each, you might try buying used. Ther are plenty out there. Good Luck, Bill __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Admiral Fiver, lookee... WWI pix: <http://www.kodakgallery.com/I.jsp?c=ppcpd4n.3hq2rc3r&x=1&y=-w4l4zd> Sorry, I missed getting anyof the period aircraft :-( Was too busy to get down and shoot them... can send you a link to it if interested. M. slickbutfoxbuger wrote: >i am sure BB-54 will be happy to have you old ones as a donation >(what ever they were)....... :)(: > ><giggles.....> > >********************** >--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Fin Beven" <finbeven@...> wrote: > > >>These are great ! >> >>http://www.andersenwinches.com/Winches/Standard%20Self- >> >> >Tailing/Intro.aspx<http://www.andersenwinches.com/Winches/Standard% >20Self-Tailing/Intro.aspx> > > >>We have replaced the primaries on Radiant with 52's, and the >> >> >secondaries with 40's. > > >>Very satisfied. Light-as-aluminum, strong, virtually no abrasion >> >> >on the sheets, and look good. > > >>Fin Beven >>Cal-40 #24 >>Radiant >>San Pedro, Ca >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Michael D<mailto:mddfl@...> >> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 6:29 AM >> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Genoa Winch Replacement >> >> >> Hello Listees, >> >> I'm considering replacing my genoa winches with a pair of self >> >> >tailers.... Looking for suggestions/recommendations on make/model, >new/used,etc. Also, I'm in salt water... should I even consider >aluminum or focus on chrome plated bronze? > > >> Thanks, >> Michael Duvall >> s/v Magic, Cal 2-27 >> Pompano Beach, FL >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> >> >> > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > -- Marsh Wise Webmaster: -reenactor.Net: http://www.reenactor.net/ -Foresthill.us: http://www.foresthill.us/ -Legio IX Hispana Penna: http://www.reenactor.net/units/legio_ix_penna/ - 17. Luftwaffe Feld-Division <http://www.reenactor.net/units/17lwfd/> Assistant Webmaster: -VAQ-33 Squadron site: http://www.reenactor.net/vaq-33/ Proud Member (meaning I can just have fun...) -LEGIO IX HISPANA COH III Penna Chapter: http://www.legio-ix-hispana.org/ Netscape Aim/AOL screen name: Sturmkatze Yahoo Messenger screen name: sturmkatze Alteris renumera duplum de quoquo tibi numeraverunt Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.... But then I repeat myself. ~Mark Twain *Last: Hey Dammit! Have you visited the reenactor.Net FORvMS? If not, WHY NOT? Gett your butt over to: http://www.reenactor.net/forums/index.php right now!

Voooops, meant that to go offlist. Oh vell... chooose guys can look too. "Grab a gun... grab a gun, be ahun in world war one... 'cause the Yanks are running, the yanks are running and they won't be gone 'til their gone Over here.... Over here.... Okay, I'll stop. Marsh (hopped up on WWI this last weekend) Marsh Wise wrote: > Admiral Fiver, lookee... WWI pix: > <http://www.kodakgallery.com/I.jsp?c=ppcpd4n.3hq2rc3r&x=1&y=-w4l4zd> > Sorry, I missed getting anyof the period aircraft :-( Was too busy to > get down and shoot them... can send you a link to it if interested. > M. > > slickbutfoxbuger wrote: > >>i am sure BB-54 will be happy to have you old ones as a donation >>(what ever they were)....... :)(: >> >><giggles.....> >> >>********************** >>--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Fin Beven" <finbeven@...> wrote: >> >> >>>These are great ! >>> >>>http://www.andersenwinches.com/Winches/Standard%20Self- >>> >>> >>Tailing/Intro.aspx<http://www.andersenwinches.com/Winches/Standard% >>20Self-Tailing/Intro.aspx> >> >> >>>We have replaced the primaries on Radiant with 52's, and the >>> >>> >>secondaries with 40's. >> >> >>>Very satisfied. Light-as-aluminum, strong, virtually no abrasion >>> >>> >>on the sheets, and look good. >> >> >>>Fin Beven >>>Cal-40 #24 >>>Radiant >>>San Pedro, Ca >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Michael D<mailto:mddfl@...> >>> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 6:29 AM >>> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Genoa Winch Replacement >>> >>> >>> Hello Listees, >>> >>> I'm considering replacing my genoa winches with a pair of self >>> >>> >>tailers.... Looking for suggestions/recommendations on make/model, >>new/used,etc. Also, I'm in salt water... should I even consider >>aluminum or focus on chrome plated bronze? >> >> >>> Thanks, >>> Michael Duvall >>> s/v Magic, Cal 2-27 >>> Pompano Beach, FL >>> >>> __________________________________________________ >>> Do You Yahoo!? >>> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >>> http://mail.yahoo.com >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> > >-- >Marsh Wise >Webmaster: >-reenactor.Net: http://www.reenactor.net/ >-Foresthill.us: http://www.foresthill.us/ >-Legio IX Hispana Penna: http://www.reenactor.net/units/legio_ix_penna/ >- 17. Luftwaffe Feld-Division <http://www.reenactor.net/units/17lwfd/> > >Assistant Webmaster: >-VAQ-33 Squadron site: http://www.reenactor.net/vaq-33/ > >Proud Member (meaning I can just have fun...) >-LEGIO IX HISPANA COH III Penna Chapter: http://www.legio-ix-hispana.org/ > >Netscape Aim/AOL screen name: Sturmkatze > >Yahoo Messenger screen name: sturmkatze > >Alteris renumera duplum de quoquo tibi numeraverunt > >Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.... But then I repeat myself. ~Mark Twain > >*Last: Hey Dammit! Have you visited the reenactor.Net FORvMS? If not, WHY NOT? >Gett your butt over to: http://www.reenactor.net/forums/index.php right now! > > -- Marsh Wise Webmaster: -reenactor.Net: http://www.reenactor.net/ -Foresthill.us: http://www.foresthill.us/ -Legio IX Hispana Penna: http://www.reenactor.net/units/legio_ix_penna/ - 17. Luftwaffe Feld-Division <http://www.reenactor.net/units/17lwfd/> Assistant Webmaster: -VAQ-33 Squadron site: http://www.reenactor.net/vaq-33/ Proud Member (meaning I can just have fun...) -LEGIO IX HISPANA COH III Penna Chapter: http://www.legio-ix-hispana.org/ Netscape Aim/AOL screen name: Sturmkatze Yahoo Messenger screen name: sturmkatze Alteris renumera duplum de quoquo tibi numeraverunt Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.... But then I repeat myself. ~Mark Twain *Last: Hey Dammit! Have you visited the reenactor.Net FORvMS? If not, WHY NOT? Gett your butt over to: http://www.reenactor.net/forums/index.php right now!

Marsh, I thought the Germ's didn't have fiberglass hellmoots until WWII? And where's are da spikes? And isn't' it true Spike Jones wrote most of the German marching tunes? Are you sure this isn't Freedonia's Army? Ach du leiber, ver ist mit der sailing content? (a real) Jerry --- On Wed, 11/7/07, Marsh Wise <ma… [at] reenactor.net> wrote: From: Marsh Wise <ma… [at] reenactor.net> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] WWI To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, November 7, 2007, 9:11 PM Voooops, meant that to go offlist. Oh vell... chooose guys can look too. "Grab a gun... grab a gun, be ahun in world war one... 'cause the Yanks are running, the yanks are running and they won't be gone 'til their gone Over here.... Over here.... Okay, I'll stop. Marsh (hopped up on WWI this last weekend) Marsh Wise wrote: Admiral Fiver, lookee... WWI pix: <http://www.kodakgal lery.com/ I.jsp?c=ppcpd4n. 3hq2rc3r&x=1&y=-w4l4zd> Sorry, I missed getting anyof the period aircraft :-( Was too busy to get down and shoot them... can send you a link to it if interested. M. slickbutfoxbuger wrote: i am sure BB-54 will be happy to have you old ones as a donation (what ever they were)....... :)(: <giggles.....> ************ ********* * --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com , "Fin Beven" <finbeven@...> wrote: These are great ! http://www.andersen winches.com/ Winches/Standard %20Self - Tailing/Intro. aspx <http://www.andersen winches.com/ Winches/Standard % 20Self-Tailing/ Intro.aspx> We have replaced the primaries on Radiant with 52's, and the secondaries with 40's. Very satisfied. Light-as-aluminum, strong, virtually no abrasion on the sheets, and look good. Fin Beven Cal-40 #24 Radiant San Pedro, Ca From: Michael D <mailto:mddfl@ ...> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com <mailto:Cal_Boats@ yahoogroups. com> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 6:29 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Genoa Winch Replacement Hello Listees, I'm considering replacing my genoa winches with a pair of self tailers.... Looking for suggestions/ recommendations on make/model, new/used,etc. Also, I'm in salt water... should I even consider aluminum or focus on chrome plated bronze? Thanks, Michael Duvall s/v Magic, Cal 2-27 Pompano Beach, FL ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail. yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/Cal_ Boats/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/Cal_ Boats/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:Cal_Boats- digest@yahoogrou ps.com mailto:Cal_Boats- fullfeatured@ yahoogroups. com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Cal_Boats-unsubscri be@yahoogroups. com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs. yahoo.com/ info/terms/ -- Marsh Wise Webmaster: -reenactor.Net: http://www.reenacto r.net/ -Foresthill. us: http://www.foresthi ll.us/ -Legio IX Hispana Penna: http://www.reenacto r.net/units/ legio_ix_ penna/ - 17. Luftwaffe Feld-Division <http://www.reenacto r.net/units/ 17lwfd/> Assistant Webmaster: -VAQ-33 Squadron site: http://www.reenacto r.net/vaq- 33/ Proud Member (meaning I can just have fun...) -LEGIO IX HISPANA COH III Penna Chapter: http://www.legio- ix-hispana. org/ Netscape Aim/AOL screen name: Sturmkatze Yahoo Messenger screen name: sturmkatze Alteris renumera duplum de quoquo tibi numeraverunt Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.... But then I repeat myself. ~Mark Twain *Last: Hey Dammit! Have you visited the reenactor.Net FORvMS? If not, WHY NOT? Gett your butt over to: http://www.reenacto r.net/forums/ index.php right now! -- Marsh Wise Webmaster: -reenactor.Net: http://www.reenacto r.net/ -Foresthill. us: http://www.foresthi ll.us/ -Legio IX Hispana Penna: http://www.reenacto r.net/units/ legio_ix_ penna/ - 17. Luftwaffe Feld-Division <http://www.reenacto r.net/units/ 17lwfd/> Assistant Webmaster: -VAQ-33 Squadron site: http://www.reenacto r.net/vaq- 33/ Proud Member (meaning I can just have fun...) -LEGIO IX HISPANA COH III Penna Chapter: http://www.legio- ix-hispana. org/ Netscape Aim/AOL screen name: Sturmkatze Yahoo Messenger screen name: sturmkatze Alteris renumera duplum de quoquo tibi numeraverunt Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.... But then I repeat myself. ~Mark Twain *Last: Hey Dammit! Have you visited the reenactor.Net FORvMS? If not, WHY NOT? Gett your butt over to: http://www.reenacto r.net/forums/ index.php right now!

books are these things you read that explain history to you Gerald Sobel wrote: > Marsh, > I thought the Germ's didn't have fiberglass hellmoots until WWII? And > where's are da spikes? And isn't' it true Spike Jones wrote most of > the German marching tunes? > > Are you sure this isn't Freedonia's Army? Ach du leiber, ver ist mit > der sailing content? > > > (a real) Jerry > > --- On Wed, 11/7/07, Marsh Wise <ma… [at] reenactor.net> wrote: > > From: Marsh Wise <ma… [at] reenactor.net> > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] WWI > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, November 7, 2007, 9:11 PM > > Voooops, meant that to go offlist. Oh vell... chooose guys can > look too. > > "Grab a gun... > grab a gun, be ahun in world war one... > 'cause the Yanks are running, > the yanks are running > and they won't be gone 'til their gone > Over here.... > Over here.... > > Okay, I'll stop. > Marsh (hopped up on WWI this last weekend) > > Marsh Wise wrote: > >> Admiral Fiver, lookee... WWI pix: <http://www.kodakgal lery.com/ >> I.jsp?c=ppcpd4n. 3hq2rc3r&x=1&y=-w4l4zd> Sorry, I missed getting >> anyof the period aircraft :-( Was too busy to get down and shoot >> them... can send you a link to it if interested. >> M. >> >> slickbutfoxbuger wrote: >> >>>i am sure BB-54 will be happy to have you old ones as a donation >>>(what ever they were)....... :)(: >>> >>><giggles.....> >>> >>>************ ********* * >>>--- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com, "Fin Beven" <finbeven@...> wrote: >>> >>> >>>>These are great ! >>>> >>>>http://www.andersen winches.com/ Winches/Standard %20Self- >>>> >>>> >>>Tailing/Intro. aspx<http://www.andersen winches.com/ Winches/Standard % >>>20Self-Tailing/ Intro.aspx> >>> >>> >>>>We have replaced the primaries on Radiant with 52's, and the >>>> >>>> >>>secondaries with 40's. >>> >>> >>>>Very satisfied. Light-as-aluminum, strong, virtually no abrasion >>>> >>>> >>>on the sheets, and look good. >>> >>> >>>>Fin Beven >>>>Cal-40 #24 >>>>Radiant >>>>San Pedro, Ca >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Michael D<mailto:mddfl@ ...> >>>> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com<mailto:Cal_Boats@ yahoogroups. com> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 6:29 AM >>>> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Genoa Winch Replacement >>>> >>>> >>>> Hello Listees, >>>> >>>> I'm considering replacing my genoa winches with a pair of self >>>> >>>> >>>tailers.... Looking for suggestions/ recommendations on make/model, >>>new/used,etc. Also, I'm in salt water... should I even consider >>>aluminum or focus on chrome plated bronze? >>> >>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Michael Duvall >>>> s/v Magic, Cal 2-27 >>>> Pompano Beach, FL >>>> >>>> ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __ >>>> Do You Yahoo!? >>>> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >>>> http://mail. yahoo.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>Yahoo! Groups Links >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>-- >>Marsh Wise >>Webmaster: >>-reenactor.Net: http://www.reenacto r.net/ >>-Foresthill. us: http://www.foresthi ll.us/ >>-Legio IX Hispana Penna: http://www.reenacto r.net/units/ legio_ix_ penna/ >>- 17. Luftwaffe Feld-Division <http://www.reenacto r.net/units/ 17lwfd/> >> >>Assistant Webmaster: >>-VAQ-33 Squadron site: http://www.reenacto r.net/vaq- 33/ >> >>Proud Member (meaning I can just have fun...) >>-LEGIO IX HISPANA COH III Penna Chapter: http://www.legio- ix-hispana. org/ >> >>Netscape Aim/AOL screen name: Sturmkatze >> >>Yahoo Messenger screen name: sturmkatze >> >>Alteris renumera duplum de quoquo tibi numeraverunt >> >>Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.... But then I repeat myself. ~Mark Twain >> >>*Last: Hey Dammit! Have you visited the reenactor.Net FORvMS? If not, WHY NOT? >>Gett your butt over to: http://www.reenacto r.net/forums/ index.php right now! >> > >-- >Marsh Wise >Webmaster: >-reenactor.Net: http://www.reenacto r.net/ >-Foresthill. us: http://www.foresthi ll.us/ >-Legio IX Hispana Penna: http://www.reenacto r.net/units/ legio_ix_ penna/ >- 17. Luftwaffe Feld-Division <http://www.reenacto r.net/units/ 17lwfd/> > >Assistant Webmaster: >-VAQ-33 Squadron site: http://www.reenacto r.net/vaq- 33/ > >Proud Member (meaning I can just have fun...) >-LEGIO IX HISPANA COH III Penna Chapter: http://www.legio- ix-hispana. org/ > >Netscape Aim/AOL screen name: Sturmkatze > >Yahoo Messenger screen name: sturmkatze > >Alteris renumera duplum de quoquo tibi numeraverunt > >Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.... But then I repeat myself. ~Mark Twain > >*Last: Hey Dammit! Have you visited the reenactor.Net FORvMS? If not, WHY NOT? >Gett your butt over to: http://www.reenacto r.net/forums/ index.php right now! > > -- Marsh Wise Webmaster: -reenactor.Net: http://www.reenactor.net/ -Foresthill.us: http://www.foresthill.us/ -Legio IX Hispana Penna: http://www.reenactor.net/units/legio_ix_penna/ - 17. Luftwaffe Feld-Division <http://www.reenactor.net/units/17lwfd/> Assistant Webmaster: -VAQ-33 Squadron site: http://www.reenactor.net/vaq-33/ Proud Member (meaning I can just have fun...) -LEGIO IX HISPANA COH III Penna Chapter: http://www.legio-ix-hispana.org/ Netscape Aim/AOL screen name: Sturmkatze Yahoo Messenger screen name: sturmkatze Alteris renumera duplum de quoquo tibi numeraverunt Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.... But then I repeat myself. ~Mark Twain *Last: Hey Dammit! Have you visited the reenactor.Net FORvMS? If not, WHY NOT? Gett your butt over to: http://www.reenactor.net/forums/index.php right now!

sorry, migraine. Off to Cumberland to rescue a dead truck (Mail must go thru)... ask questions later and I'll explain. BTW< no fibreglass. all real metal, etc. WWI, not WWII. M. Marsh Wise wrote: > books are these things you read that explain history to you > > Gerald Sobel wrote: > >> Marsh, >> I thought the Germ's didn't have fiberglass hellmoots until WWII? And >> where's are da spikes? And isn't' it true Spike Jones wrote most of >> the German marching tunes? >> >> Are you sure this isn't Freedonia's Army? Ach du leiber, ver ist mit >> der sailing content? >> >> >> (a real) Jerry >> >> --- On Wed, 11/7/07, Marsh Wise <ma… [at] reenactor.net> wrote: >> >> From: Marsh Wise <ma… [at] reenactor.net> >> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] WWI >> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >> Date: Wednesday, November 7, 2007, 9:11 PM >> >> Voooops, meant that to go offlist. Oh vell... chooose guys can >> look too. >> >> "Grab a gun... >> grab a gun, be ahun in world war one... >> 'cause the Yanks are running, >> the yanks are running >> and they won't be gone 'til their gone >> Over here.... >> Over here.... >> >> Okay, I'll stop. >> Marsh (hopped up on WWI this last weekend) >> >> Marsh Wise wrote: >> >>> Admiral Fiver, lookee... WWI pix: <http://www.kodakgal lery.com/ >>> I.jsp?c=ppcpd4n. 3hq2rc3r&x=1&y=-w4l4zd> Sorry, I missed getting >>> anyof the period aircraft :-( Was too busy to get down and shoot >>> them... can send you a link to it if interested. >>> M. >>> >>> slickbutfoxbuger wrote: >>> >>>>i am sure BB-54 will be happy to have you old ones as a donation >>>>(what ever they were)....... :)(: >>>> >>>><giggles.....> >>>> >>>>************ ********* * >>>>--- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com, "Fin Beven" <finbeven@...> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>These are great ! >>>>> >>>>>http://www.andersen winches.com/ Winches/Standard %20Self- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>Tailing/Intro. aspx<http://www.andersen winches.com/ Winches/Standard % >>>>20Self-Tailing/ Intro.aspx> >>>> >>>> >>>>>We have replaced the primaries on Radiant with 52's, and the >>>>> >>>>> >>>>secondaries with 40's. >>>> >>>> >>>>>Very satisfied. Light-as-aluminum, strong, virtually no abrasion >>>>> >>>>> >>>>on the sheets, and look good. >>>> >>>> >>>>>Fin Beven >>>>>Cal-40 #24 >>>>>Radiant >>>>>San Pedro, Ca >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: Michael D<mailto:mddfl@ ...> >>>>> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com<mailto:Cal_Boats@ yahoogroups. com> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 6:29 AM >>>>> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Genoa Winch Replacement >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hello Listees, >>>>> >>>>> I'm considering replacing my genoa winches with a pair of self >>>>> >>>>> >>>>tailers.... Looking for suggestions/ recommendations on make/model, >>>>new/used,etc. Also, I'm in salt water... should I even consider >>>>aluminum or focus on chrome plated bronze? >>>> >>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Michael Duvall >>>>> s/v Magic, Cal 2-27 >>>>> Pompano Beach, FL >>>>> >>>>> ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __ >>>>> Do You Yahoo!? >>>>> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >>>>> http://mail. yahoo.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>Yahoo! Groups Links >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>-- >>>Marsh Wise >>>Webmaster: >>>-reenactor.Net: http://www.reenacto r.net/ >>>-Foresthill. us: http://www.foresthi ll.us/ >>>-Legio IX Hispana Penna: http://www.reenacto r.net/units/ legio_ix_ penna/ >>>- 17. Luftwaffe Feld-Division <http://www.reenacto r.net/units/ 17lwfd/> >>> >>>Assistant Webmaster: >>>-VAQ-33 Squadron site: http://www.reenacto r.net/vaq- 33/ >>> >>>Proud Member (meaning I can just have fun...) >>>-LEGIO IX HISPANA COH III Penna Chapter: http://www.legio- ix-hispana. org/ >>> >>>Netscape Aim/AOL screen name: Sturmkatze >>> >>>Yahoo Messenger screen name: sturmkatze >>> >>>Alteris renumera duplum de quoquo tibi numeraverunt >>> >>>Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.... But then I repeat myself. ~Mark Twain >>> >>>*Last: Hey Dammit! Have you visited the reenactor.Net FORvMS? If not, WHY NOT? >>>Gett your butt over to: http://www.reenacto r.net/forums/ index.php right now! >>> >> >>-- >>Marsh Wise >>Webmaster: >>-reenactor.Net: http://www.reenacto r.net/ >>-Foresthill. us: http://www.foresthi ll.us/ >>-Legio IX Hispana Penna: http://www.reenacto r.net/units/ legio_ix_ penna/ >>- 17. Luftwaffe Feld-Division <http://www.reenacto r.net/units/ 17lwfd/> >> >>Assistant Webmaster: >>-VAQ-33 Squadron site: http://www.reenacto r.net/vaq- 33/ >> >>Proud Member (meaning I can just have fun...) >>-LEGIO IX HISPANA COH III Penna Chapter: http://www.legio- ix-hispana. org/ >> >>Netscape Aim/AOL screen name: Sturmkatze >> >>Yahoo Messenger screen name: sturmkatze >> >>Alteris renumera duplum de quoquo tibi numeraverunt >> >>Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.... But then I repeat myself. ~Mark Twain >> >>*Last: Hey Dammit! Have you visited the reenactor.Net FORvMS? If not, WHY NOT? >>Gett your butt over to: http://www.reenacto r.net/forums/ index.php right now! >> > >-- >Marsh Wise >Webmaster: >-reenactor.Net: http://www.reenactor.net/ >-Foresthill.us: http://www.foresthill.us/ >-Legio IX Hispana Penna: http://www.reenactor.net/units/legio_ix_penna/ >- 17. Luftwaffe Feld-Division <http://www.reenactor.net/units/17lwfd/> > >Assistant Webmaster: >-VAQ-33 Squadron site: http://www.reenactor.net/vaq-33/ > >Proud Member (meaning I can just have fun...) >-LEGIO IX HISPANA COH III Penna Chapter: http://www.legio-ix-hispana.org/ > >Netscape Aim/AOL screen name: Sturmkatze > >Yahoo Messenger screen name: sturmkatze > >Alteris renumera duplum de quoquo tibi numeraverunt > >Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.... But then I repeat myself. ~Mark Twain > >*Last: Hey Dammit! Have you visited the reenactor.Net FORvMS? If not, WHY NOT? >Gett your butt over to: http://www.reenactor.net/forums/index.php right now! > > -- Marsh Wise Webmaster: -reenactor.Net: http://www.reenactor.net/ -Foresthill.us: http://www.foresthill.us/ -Legio IX Hispana Penna: http://www.reenactor.net/units/legio_ix_penna/ - 17. Luftwaffe Feld-Division <http://www.reenactor.net/units/17lwfd/> Assistant Webmaster: -VAQ-33 Squadron site: http://www.reenactor.net/vaq-33/ Proud Member (meaning I can just have fun...) -LEGIO IX HISPANA COH III Penna Chapter: http://www.legio-ix-hispana.org/ Netscape Aim/AOL screen name: Sturmkatze Yahoo Messenger screen name: sturmkatze Alteris renumera duplum de quoquo tibi numeraverunt Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.... But then I repeat myself. ~Mark Twain *Last: Hey Dammit! Have you visited the reenactor.Net FORvMS? If not, WHY NOT? Gett your butt over to: http://www.reenactor.net/forums/index.php right now!

Frank, I tried to send a photo but it was too big I will be on mine Cal this weekend and will try to take some good ones for you Kevin Cal-31 Kona Las Vegas feet <th… [at] sympatico.ca> wrote: Hi, Would someone mind taking a photo of the transom of their Cal31 so I can match the position and style of split backstay arrangement. I am converting my Cal 31 over from my hyraulic adjuster to a split system with tackle. Thanks Frank __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Thanks Kevin, Appreciate it. Frank ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin O To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 31 backstay Frank, I tried to send a photo but it was too big I will be on mine Cal this weekend and will try to take some good ones for you Kevin Cal-31 Kona Las Vegas feet <th… [at] sympatico.ca> wrote: Hi, Would someone mind taking a photo of the transom of their Cal31 so I can match the position and style of split backstay arrangement. I am converting my Cal 31 over from my hyraulic adjuster to a split system with tackle. Thanks Frank __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Hi All, Thanks for your inputs, suggestions, and general commentary. I have begun searching for a pair of self-tailing winches for Magic. Unless I can find an incredible deal on a new pair, I'll be buying used. I have begun looking on eBay and Craigs List to see what's out there. If you run across any leads, please keep me in mind. Thanks Again, Michael Duvall s/v Magic, Cal 2-27 Pompano Beach, FL __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

I would appreciate copy of split backstay on Cal 31 as I am considering converting mine, too. Thanks, John S. _____ From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of feet Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 8:57 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 31 backstay Thanks Kevin, Appreciate it. Frank From: Kevin O <mailto:fi… [at] yahoo.com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> ps.com Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 31 backstay Frank, I tried to send a photo but it was too big I will be on mine Cal this weekend and will try to take some good ones for you Kevin Cal-31 Kona Las Vegas feet <the_feet@sympatico. <mailto:th… [at] sympatico.ca> ca> wrote: Hi, Would someone mind taking a photo of the transom of their Cal31 so I can match the position and style of split backstay arrangement. I am converting my Cal 31 over from my hyraulic adjuster to a split system with tackle. Thanks Frank Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com