Cleat and Block help

Hi all, Just starting the process of leading the main halyard aft on my Cal 31. By my calculations I have a 210 sq. ft. main sail and I'm using a 3/8" Sta-set X halyard. I think I've figured the specs for the deck block (around 2500 lbs SWL and 5000 BL), but I would appreciate any help in sizing a cheek block (or organizer) and the cleat behind the cockpit winch (going to use an old Belmar 20). Advice greatly appreciated, John Stacklyn Cal 31 #33 "Sol Survivor" Shell Point, FL

Hi! I used the Ronstan 40 blockes on my Cal 25, so my bet would be the Ronstan 50 block (though 40's would more than likely do) I also like the Lewmar Rope clutch. You can bring in lines with the clutch closed with minimal wear. The Lewmar uses dominos that don't crimp or gouge the line, but make it weave between a series of metal plates that add moderate friction along a section of line (instead of point loading). Remember, the halyards aren't seeing thousands of pounds of load. The spinnaker halyard would see larger loads than the Jib and Main. I've raced on mid-30 something foot boats using the Ronstan 50's and lewmar rope clutches. the cheek blocks used were typically Ronstan 50 as well. Cheers, Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: John To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 3:05 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cleat and Block help Hi all, Just starting the process of leading the main halyard aft on my Cal 31. By my calculations I have a 210 sq. ft. main sail and I'm using a 3/8" Sta-set X halyard. I think I've figured the specs for the deck block (around 2500 lbs SWL and 5000 BL), but I would appreciate any help in sizing a cheek block (or organizer) and the cleat behind the cockpit winch (going to use an old Belmar 20). Advice greatly appreciated, John Stacklyn Cal 31 #33 "Sol Survivor" Shell Point, FL

Pardon me a moment....... (not that any real sailor is going to take our opinion) but i see your sailing down there in Florida...... and as i reckon there just isn't much inland waters round those parts; i was thinking that you mite just want the best of ocean-going hardware on that-there boat of yours. and if'in that's so, let me suggest what the big guys use. and what i personally wouldn't be caught dead out to sea without...... to that ends, i have taken the liberty of gathering a few choice pages (URL) below for your viewing pleasure. the first bunch are on the *Harken* web-site. just about as good as it gets. now the second group is the cats whiskers, and is on the *Lewmar* web-site. just stay with their racing line, and you can't go wrong. they also have a down-load that cane help you double-check your line-loading specks. they seem a little high for that size boat to me....... fiver ********************************** *Harken* http://www.harken.com/blocks/blockspecs.php http://harkenstore.com/uniface.urd/sccyspw1.eShowPage? 409Z56LC7FV66&409Z56LC7C9RU http://harkenstore.com/uniface.urd/sccyspw1.eShowPage? 409Z56LC7FV66&409Z56LC4B4LU http://harkenstore.com/uniface.urd/sccyspw1.eShowPage? 409Z56LC7FV66&409Z56LC5FMSA http://harkenstore.com/uniface.urd/sccyspw1.eShowPage? 409Z56LC7FV66&409Z56LC4WKD6 *Lewmar* (60-mm high-load racing) http://en.lewmar.com/products/index.aspx?lang=1&page_id=90 http://en.lewmar.com/products/index.aspx?lang=1&page_id=542 **************************************** --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "John" <stacklynj@...> wrote: > > Hi all, > Just starting the process of leading the main halyard aft on my Cal 31. By > my calculations I have a 210 sq. ft. main sail and I'm using a 3/8" Sta-set > X halyard. I think I've figured the specs for the deck block (around 2500 > lbs SWL and 5000 BL), but I would appreciate any help in sizing a cheek > block (or organizer) and the cleat behind the cockpit winch (going to use an > old Belmar 20). > Advice greatly appreciated, > > John Stacklyn > Cal 31 #33 "Sol Survivor" > Shell Point, FL >

one more really good URL..... http://en.lewmar.com/products/index.aspx?lang=1&page_id=78 **************************** --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "slickbutfoxbuger" <fiverhrairoo@...> wrote: > > > > Pardon me a moment....... > (not that any real sailor is going to take our opinion) > > but i see your sailing down there in Florida...... and as i > reckon there just isn't much inland waters round those parts; i was > thinking that you mite just want the best of ocean-going hardware on > that-there boat of yours. and if'in that's so, let me suggest what > the big guys use. and what i personally wouldn't be caught dead out > to sea without...... > to that ends, i have taken the liberty of gathering a few > choice pages (URL) below for your viewing pleasure. the first bunch > are on the *Harken* web-site. just about as good as it gets. > now the second group is the cats whiskers, and is on the > *Lewmar* web-site. just stay with their racing line, and you can't go > wrong. > > they also have a down-load that cane help you double-check your > line-loading specks. they seem a little high for that size boat to > me....... > > fiver > > ********************************** > > > *Harken* > > http://www.harken.com/blocks/blockspecs.php > > http://harkenstore.com/uniface.urd/sccyspw1.eShowPage? > 409Z56LC7FV66&409Z56LC7C9RU > > http://harkenstore.com/uniface.urd/sccyspw1.eShowPage? > 409Z56LC7FV66&409Z56LC4B4LU > > http://harkenstore.com/uniface.urd/sccyspw1.eShowPage? > 409Z56LC7FV66&409Z56LC5FMSA > > http://harkenstore.com/uniface.urd/sccyspw1.eShowPage? > 409Z56LC7FV66&409Z56LC4WKD6 > > > *Lewmar* (60-mm high-load racing) > > http://en.lewmar.com/products/index.aspx?lang=1&page_id=90 > > http://en.lewmar.com/products/index.aspx?lang=1&page_id=542 > > > > **************************************** > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "John" <stacklynj@> wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > Just starting the process of leading the main halyard aft on my Cal > 31. By > > my calculations I have a 210 sq. ft. main sail and I'm using a 3/8" > Sta-set > > X halyard. I think I've figured the specs for the deck block > (around 2500 > > lbs SWL and 5000 BL), but I would appreciate any help in sizing a > cheek > > block (or organizer) and the cleat behind the cockpit winch (going > to use an > > old Belmar 20). > > Advice greatly appreciated, > > > > John Stacklyn > > Cal 31 #33 "Sol Survivor" > > Shell Point, FL > > >

Fiver and Scott: Thanks so much for the input and links! very helpful. One more question on design: it seems like, with a pad eye and block on the deck at the mast, and an orgaizer back by the companionway hatch, that there would be chaffing from the upper part of the organizer since it is lower than where the halyard will exit the mast block. Comments? John _____ From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of slickbutfoxbuger Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 9:31 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cleat and Block help one more really good URL..... http://en.lewmar. <http://en.lewmar.com/products/index.aspx?lang=1&page_id=78> com/products/index.aspx?lang=1&page_id=78 **************************** --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com, "slickbutfoxbuger" <fiverhrairoo@...> wrote: > > > > Pardon me a moment....... > (not that any real sailor is going to take our opinion) > > but i see your sailing down there in Florida...... and as i > reckon there just isn't much inland waters round those parts; i was > thinking that you mite just want the best of ocean-going hardware on > that-there boat of yours. and if'in that's so, let me suggest what > the big guys use. and what i personally wouldn't be caught dead out > to sea without...... > to that ends, i have taken the liberty of gathering a few > choice pages (URL) below for your viewing pleasure. the first bunch > are on the *Harken* web-site. just about as good as it gets. > now the second group is the cats whiskers, and is on the > *Lewmar* web-site. just stay with their racing line, and you can't go > wrong. > > they also have a down-load that cane help you double-check your > line-loading specks. they seem a little high for that size boat to > me....... > > fiver > > ********************************** > > > *Harken* > > http://www.harken. <http://www.harken.com/blocks/blockspecs.php> com/blocks/blockspecs.php > > http://harkenstore. <http://harkenstore.com/uniface.urd/sccyspw1.eShowPage?> com/uniface.urd/sccyspw1.eShowPage? > 409Z56LC7FV66&409Z56LC7C9RU > > http://harkenstore. <http://harkenstore.com/uniface.urd/sccyspw1.eShowPage?> com/uniface.urd/sccyspw1.eShowPage? > 409Z56LC7FV66&409Z56LC4B4LU > > http://harkenstore. <http://harkenstore.com/uniface.urd/sccyspw1.eShowPage?> com/uniface.urd/sccyspw1.eShowPage? > 409Z56LC7FV66&409Z56LC5FMSA > > http://harkenstore. <http://harkenstore.com/uniface.urd/sccyspw1.eShowPage?> com/uniface.urd/sccyspw1.eShowPage? > 409Z56LC7FV66&409Z56LC4WKD6 > > > *Lewmar* (60-mm high-load racing) > > http://en.lewmar. <http://en.lewmar.com/products/index.aspx?lang=1&page_id=90> com/products/index.aspx?lang=1&page_id=90 > > http://en.lewmar. <http://en.lewmar.com/products/index.aspx?lang=1&page_id=542> com/products/index.aspx?lang=1&page_id=542 > > > > **************************************** > --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com, "John" <stacklynj@> wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > Just starting the process of leading the main halyard aft on my Cal > 31. By > > my calculations I have a 210 sq. ft. main sail and I'm using a 3/8" > Sta-set > > X halyard. I think I've figured the specs for the deck block > (around 2500 > > lbs SWL and 5000 BL), but I would appreciate any help in sizing a > cheek > > block (or organizer) and the cleat behind the cockpit winch (going > to use an > > old Belmar 20). > > Advice greatly appreciated, > > > > John Stacklyn > > Cal 31 #33 "Sol Survivor" > > Shell Point, FL > > >

I forget whether your boat has a deck or keel stepped mast. if deck stepped, I would recommend getting a stainless mast base with attachment points for turning blocks. For the deck organizers, I actually used 1" thick teak spacers to raise the organizers to "nearly" the level of the blocks attached to the steel plate at the base of the mast. This way, the angle is minimal. the Line stoppers, I placed right on the deck, as the distance was great enough that there was no effect. Also, the Lewmar rope clutches have their entry points about an inch off the deck as well. Here are a couple photos of Indi with her deck organizers. We'll see if the attachments come through ----- Original Message ----- From: John To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 6:09 AM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cleat and Block help Fiver and Scott: Thanks so much for the input and links! very helpful. One more question on design: it seems like, with a pad eye and block on the deck at the mast, and an orgaizer back by the companionway hatch, that there would be chaffing from the upper part of the organizer since it is lower than where the halyard will exit the mast block. Comments? John ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of slickbutfoxbuger Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 9:31 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cleat and Block help one more really good URL..... http://en.lewmar.com/products/index.aspx?lang=1&page_id=78 **************************** --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "slickbutfoxbuger" <fiverhrairoo@...> wrote: > > > > Pardon me a moment....... > (not that any real sailor is going to take our opinion) > > but i see your sailing down there in Florida...... and as i > reckon there just isn't much inland waters round those parts; i was > thinking that you mite just want the best of ocean-going hardware on > that-there boat of yours. and if'in that's so, let me suggest what > the big guys use. and what i personally wouldn't be caught dead out > to sea without...... > to that ends, i have taken the liberty of gathering a few > choice pages (URL) below for your viewing pleasure. the first bunch > are on the *Harken* web-site. just about as good as it gets. > now the second group is the cats whiskers, and is on the > *Lewmar* web-site. just stay with their racing line, and you can't go > wrong. > > they also have a down-load that cane help you double-check your > line-loading specks. they seem a little high for that size boat to > me....... > > fiver > > ********************************** > > > *Harken* > > http://www.harken.com/blocks/blockspecs.php > > http://harkenstore.com/uniface.urd/sccyspw1.eShowPage? > 409Z56LC7FV66&409Z56LC7C9RU > > http://harkenstore.com/uniface.urd/sccyspw1.eShowPage? > 409Z56LC7FV66&409Z56LC4B4LU > > http://harkenstore.com/uniface.urd/sccyspw1.eShowPage? > 409Z56LC7FV66&409Z56LC5FMSA > > http://harkenstore.com/uniface.urd/sccyspw1.eShowPage? > 409Z56LC7FV66&409Z56LC4WKD6 > > > *Lewmar* (60-mm high-load racing) > > http://en.lewmar.com/products/index.aspx?lang=1&page_id=90 > > http://en.lewmar.com/products/index.aspx?lang=1&page_id=542 > > > > **************************************** > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "John" <stacklynj@> wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > Just starting the process of leading the main halyard aft on my Cal > 31. By > > my calculations I have a 210 sq. ft. main sail and I'm using a 3/8" > Sta-set > > X halyard. I think I've figured the specs for the deck block > (around 2500 > > lbs SWL and 5000 BL), but I would appreciate any help in sizing a > cheek > > block (or organizer) and the cleat behind the cockpit winch (going > to use an > > old Belmar 20). > > Advice greatly appreciated, > > > > John Stacklyn > > Cal 31 #33 "Sol Survivor" > > Shell Point, FL > > >

Hi, All. Looks good. The arrangement on my CAL 25 is a lot like that on Scott's boat. I used wedge shaped teak pieces so the organizers cant up toward the mast. I wanted the lines from the mast to feed in-line to the sheaves in the organizer. Also, note that spinnaker pole controls (pole lift and downhaul - outboard lines in Scott's starboard photo) should not go through the handled sheet stoppers since trim is almost continuous, especially for the downhaul since it comes to center deck and must trim with lateral pole angle. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Sauvageot Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 4:39 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cleat and Block help I forget whether your boat has a deck or keel stepped mast. if deck stepped, I would recommend getting a stainless mast base with attachment points for turning blocks. For the deck organizers, I actually used 1" thick teak spacers to raise the organizers to "nearly" the level of the blocks attached to the steel plate at the base of the mast. This way, the angle is minimal. the Line stoppers, I placed right on the deck, as the distance was great enough that there was no effect. Also, the Lewmar rope clutches have their entry points about an inch off the deck as well. Here are a couple photos of Indi with her deck organizers. We'll see if the attachments come through ----- Original Message ----- From: John <mailto:st… [at] embarqmail.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 6:09 AM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cleat and Block help Fiver and Scott: Thanks so much for the input and links! very helpful. One more question on design: it seems like, with a pad eye and block on the deck at the mast, and an orgaizer back by the companionway hatch, that there would be chaffing from the upper part of the organizer since it is lower than where the halyard will exit the mast block. Comments? John From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of slickbutfoxbuger Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 9:31 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cleat and Block help one more really good URL..... http://en.lewmar.com/products/index.aspx?lang=1&page_id=78 <http://en.lewmar.com/products/index.aspx?lang=1&page_id=78> **************************** --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> , "slickbutfoxbuger" <fiverhrairoo@...> wrote: > > > > Pardon me a moment....... > (not that any real sailor is going to take our opinion) > > but i see your sailing down there in Florida...... and as i > reckon there just isn't much inland waters round those parts; i was > thinking that you mite just want the best of ocean-going hardware on > that-there boat of yours. and if'in that's so, let me suggest what > the big guys use. and what i personally wouldn't be caught dead out > to sea without...... > to that ends, i have taken the liberty of gathering a few > choice pages (URL) below for your viewing pleasure. the first bunch > are on the *Harken* web-site. just about as good as it gets. > now the second group is the cats whiskers, and is on the > *Lewmar* web-site. just stay with their racing line, and you can't go > wrong. > > they also have a down-load that cane help you double-check your > line-loading specks. they seem a little high for that size boat to > me....... > > fiver > > ********************************** > > > *Harken* > > http://www.harken.com/blocks/blockspecs.php <http://www.harken.com/blocks/blockspecs.php> > > http://harkenstore.com/uniface.urd/sccyspw1.eShowPage? <http://harkenstore.com/uniface.urd/sccyspw1.eShowPage?> > 409Z56LC7FV66&409Z56LC7C9RU > > http://harkenstore.com/uniface.urd/sccyspw1.eShowPage? <http://harkenstore.com/uniface.urd/sccyspw1.eShowPage?> > 409Z56LC7FV66&409Z56LC4B4LU > > http://harkenstore.com/uniface.urd/sccyspw1.eShowPage? <http://harkenstore.com/uniface.urd/sccyspw1.eShowPage?> > 409Z56LC7FV66&409Z56LC5FMSA > > http://harkenstore.com/uniface.urd/sccyspw1.eShowPage? <http://harkenstore.com/uniface.urd/sccyspw1.eShowPage?> > 409Z56LC7FV66&409Z56LC4WKD6 > > > *Lewmar* (60-mm high-load racing) > > http://en.lewmar.com/products/index.aspx?lang=1&page_id=90 <http://en.lewmar.com/products/index.aspx?lang=1&page_id=90> > > http://en.lewmar.com/products/index.aspx?lang=1&page_id=542 <http://en.lewmar.com/products/index.aspx?lang=1&page_id=542> > > > > **************************************** > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> , "John" <stacklynj@> wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > Just starting the process of leading the main halyard aft on my Cal > 31. By > > my calculations I have a 210 sq. ft. main sail and I'm using a 3/8" > Sta-set > > X halyard. I think I've figured the specs for the deck block > (around 2500 > > lbs SWL and 5000 BL), but I would appreciate any help in sizing a > cheek > > block (or organizer) and the cleat behind the cockpit winch (going > to use an > > old Belmar 20). > > Advice greatly appreciated, > > > > John Stacklyn > > Cal 31 #33 "Sol Survivor" > > Shell Point, FL > > >

Thanks Scott and Charlie. This is exactly what I had in mind! _____ From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Sauvageot Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 4:39 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cleat and Block help I forget whether your boat has a deck or keel stepped mast. if deck stepped, I would recommend getting a stainless mast base with attachment points for turning blocks. For the deck organizers, I actually used 1" thick teak spacers to raise the organizers to "nearly" the level of the blocks attached to the steel plate at the base of the mast. This way, the angle is minimal. the Line stoppers, I placed right on the deck, as the distance was great enough that there was no effect. Also, the Lewmar rope clutches have their entry points about an inch off the deck as well. Here are a couple photos of Indi with her deck organizers. We'll see if the attachments come through From: John <mailto:st… [at] embarqmail.com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> ps.com Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 6:09 AM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cleat and Block help Fiver and Scott: Thanks so much for the input and links! very helpful. One more question on design: it seems like, with a pad eye and block on the deck at the mast, and an orgaizer back by the companionway hatch, that there would be chaffing from the upper part of the organizer since it is lower than where the halyard will exit the mast block. Comments? John _____ From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of slickbutfoxbuger Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 9:31 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cleat and Block help one more really good URL..... http://en.lewmar. <http://en.lewmar.com/products/index.aspx?lang=1&page_id=78> com/products/index.aspx?lang=1&page_id=78 **************************** --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com, "slickbutfoxbuger" <fiverhrairoo@...> wrote: > > > > Pardon me a moment....... > (not that any real sailor is going to take our opinion) > > but i see your sailing down there in Florida...... and as i > reckon there just isn't much inland waters round those parts; i was > thinking that you mite just want the best of ocean-going hardware on > that-there boat of yours. and if'in that's so, let me suggest what > the big guys use. and what i personally wouldn't be caught dead out > to sea without...... > to that ends, i have taken the liberty of gathering a few > choice pages (URL) below for your viewing pleasure. the first bunch > are on the *Harken* web-site. just about as good as it gets. > now the second group is the cats whiskers, and is on the > *Lewmar* web-site. just stay with their racing line, and you can't go > wrong. > > they also have a down-load that cane help you double-check your > line-loading specks. they seem a little high for that size boat to > me....... > > fiver > > ********************************** > > > *Harken* > > http://www.harken. <http://www.harken.com/blocks/blockspecs.php> com/blocks/blockspecs.php > > http://harkenstore. <http://harkenstore.com/uniface.urd/sccyspw1.eShowPage?> com/uniface.urd/sccyspw1.eShowPage? > 409Z56LC7FV66&409Z56LC7C9RU > > http://harkenstore. <http://harkenstore.com/uniface.urd/sccyspw1.eShowPage?> com/uniface.urd/sccyspw1.eShowPage? > 409Z56LC7FV66&409Z56LC4B4LU > > http://harkenstore. <http://harkenstore.com/uniface.urd/sccyspw1.eShowPage?> com/uniface.urd/sccyspw1.eShowPage? > 409Z56LC7FV66&409Z56LC5FMSA > > http://harkenstore. <http://harkenstore.com/uniface.urd/sccyspw1.eShowPage?> com/uniface.urd/sccyspw1.eShowPage? > 409Z56LC7FV66&409Z56LC4WKD6 > > > *Lewmar* (60-mm high-load racing) > > http://en.lewmar. <http://en.lewmar.com/products/index.aspx?lang=1&page_id=90> com/products/index.aspx?lang=1&page_id=90 > > http://en.lewmar. <http://en.lewmar.com/products/index.aspx?lang=1&page_id=542> com/products/index.aspx?lang=1&page_id=542 > > > > **************************************** > --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com, "John" <stacklynj@> wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > Just starting the process of leading the main halyard aft on my Cal > 31. By > > my calculations I have a 210 sq. ft. main sail and I'm using a 3/8" > Sta-set > > X halyard. I think I've figured the specs for the deck block > (around 2500 > > lbs SWL and 5000 BL), but I would appreciate any help in sizing a > cheek > > block (or organizer) and the cleat behind the cockpit winch (going > to use an > > old Belmar 20). > > Advice greatly appreciated, > > > > John Stacklyn > > Cal 31 #33 "Sol Survivor" > > Shell Point, FL > > >

John, My Cal-31 came with the mast ring and deck organizers on each side of the cabin top. If I remember correctly the orginizer was placed on the slanted section of the cabin top so it would point directly to the turning block at the mast ring. So even though it is lower it is pointed correctly. Does this sound right? If not I will be forced to go visit my boat again and look. :-) My issue is that my orginizer is not lined up with the cabin top winches You can go to my photos "Cal 31 Kona" and see the port side orginizer in "Not a dry spot on deck". Please note that the photos are from April when I became the owner and all the lines you see are now replaced! KO "Kona" Cal-31 Las Vegas John <st… [at] embarqmail.com> wrote: Thanks Scott and Charlie. This is exactly what I had in mind! --------------------------------- From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Sauvageot Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 4:39 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cleat and Block help I forget whether your boat has a deck or keel stepped mast. if deck stepped, I would recommend getting a stainless mast base with attachment points for turning blocks. For the deck organizers, I actually used 1" thick teak spacers to raise the organizers to "nearly" the level of the blocks attached to the steel plate at the base of the mast. This way, the angle is minimal. the Line stoppers, I placed right on the deck, as the distance was great enough that there was no effect. Also, the Lewmar rope clutches have their entry points about an inch off the deck as well. Here are a couple photos of Indi with her deck organizers. We'll see if the attachments come through ----- Original Message ----- From: John To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 6:09 AM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cleat and Block help Fiver and Scott: Thanks so much for the input and links! very helpful. One more question on design: it seems like, with a pad eye and block on the deck at the mast, and an orgaizer back by the companionway hatch, that there would be chaffing from the upper part of the organizer since it is lower than where the halyard will exit the mast block. Comments? John --------------------------------- From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of slickbutfoxbuger Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 9:31 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cleat and Block help one more really good URL..... http://en.lewmar.com/products/index.aspx?lang=1&page_id=78 **************************** --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "slickbutfoxbuger" <fiverhrairoo@...> wrote: > > > > Pardon me a moment....... > (not that any real sailor is going to take our opinion) > > but i see your sailing down there in Florida...... and as i > reckon there just isn't much inland waters round those parts; i was > thinking that you mite just want the best of ocean-going hardware on > that-there boat of yours. and if'in that's so, let me suggest what > the big guys use. and what i personally wouldn't be caught dead out > to sea without...... > to that ends, i have taken the liberty of gathering a few > choice pages (URL) below for your viewing pleasure. the first bunch > are on the *Harken* web-site. just about as good as it gets. > now the second group is the cats whiskers, and is on the > *Lewmar* web-site. just stay with their racing line, and you can't go > wrong. > > they also have a down-load that cane help you double-check your > line-loading specks. they seem a little high for that size boat to > me....... > > fiver > > ********************************** > > > *Harken* > > http://www.harken.com/blocks/blockspecs.php > > http://harkenstore.com/uniface.urd/sccyspw1.eShowPage? > 409Z56LC7FV66&409Z56LC7C9RU > > http://harkenstore.com/uniface.urd/sccyspw1.eShowPage? > 409Z56LC7FV66&409Z56LC4B4LU > > http://harkenstore.com/uniface.urd/sccyspw1.eShowPage? > 409Z56LC7FV66&409Z56LC5FMSA > > http://harkenstore.com/uniface.urd/sccyspw1.eShowPage? > 409Z56LC7FV66&409Z56LC4WKD6 > > > *Lewmar* (60-mm high-load racing) > > http://en.lewmar.com/products/index.aspx?lang=1&page_id=90 > > http://en.lewmar.com/products/index.aspx?lang=1&page_id=542 > > > > **************************************** > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "John" <stacklynj@> wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > Just starting the process of leading the main halyard aft on my Cal > 31. By > > my calculations I have a 210 sq. ft. main sail and I'm using a 3/8" > Sta-set > > X halyard. I think I've figured the specs for the deck block > (around 2500 > > lbs SWL and 5000 BL), but I would appreciate any help in sizing a > cheek > > block (or organizer) and the cleat behind the cockpit winch (going > to use an > > old Belmar 20). > > Advice greatly appreciated, > > > > John Stacklyn > > Cal 31 #33 "Sol Survivor" > > Shell Point, FL > > > --------------------------------- Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how.

Kevin, Thanks for the info and the refernce to the photo (looks like you are really enjoying the boat!) I think mine will be mounted on a more level area but a teak mounting plate should raise it enoug to take care of it. John S. Cal 31 #33 "Sol Survivor" Shell Point, FL _____ From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin O Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 1:06 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cleat and Block help (John) John, My Cal-31 came with the mast ring and deck organizers on each side of the cabin top. If I remember correctly the orginizer was placed on the slanted section of the cabin top so it would point directly to the turning block at the mast ring. So even though it is lower it is pointed correctly. Does this sound right? If not I will be forced to go visit my boat again and look. :-) My issue is that my orginizer is not lined up with the cabin top winches You can go to my photos "Cal 31 Kona" and see the port side orginizer in "Not a dry spot on deck". Please note that the photos are from April when I became the owner and all the lines you see are now replaced! KO "Kona" Cal-31 Las Vegas John <st… [at] embarqmail.com> wrote: Thanks Scott and Charlie. This is exactly what I had in mind! _____ From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Sauvageot Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 4:39 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cleat and Block help I forget whether your boat has a deck or keel stepped mast. if deck stepped, I would recommend getting a stainless mast base with attachment points for turning blocks. For the deck organizers, I actually used 1" thick teak spacers to raise the organizers to "nearly" the level of the blocks attached to the steel plate at the base of the mast. This way, the angle is minimal. the Line stoppers, I placed right on the deck, as the distance was great enough that there was no effect. Also, the Lewmar rope clutches have their entry points about an inch off the deck as well. Here are a couple photos of Indi with her deck organizers. We'll see if the attachments come through From: John <mailto:st… [at] embarqmail.com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> ps.com Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 6:09 AM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cleat and Block help Fiver and Scott: Thanks so much for the input and links! very helpful. One more question on design: it seems like, with a pad eye and block on the deck at the mast, and an orgaizer back by the companionway hatch, that there would be chaffing from the upper part of the organizer since it is lower than where the halyard will exit the mast block. Comments? John _____ From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of slickbutfoxbuger Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 9:31 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cleat and Block help one more really good URL..... http://en.lewmar. <http://en.lewmar.com/products/index.aspx?lang=1&page_id=78> com/products/index.aspx?lang=1&page_id=78 **************************** --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com, "slickbutfoxbuger" <fiverhrairoo@...> wrote: > > > > Pardon me a moment....... > (not that any real sailor is going to take our opinion) > > but i see your sailing down there in Florida...... and as i > reckon there just isn't much inland waters round those parts; i was > thinking that you mite just want the best of ocean-going hardware on > that-there boat of yours. and if'in that's so, let me suggest what > the big guys use. and what i personally wouldn't be caught dead out > to sea without...... > to that ends, i have taken the liberty of gathering a few > choice pages (URL) below for your viewing pleasure. the first bunch > are on the *Harken* web-site. just about as good as it gets. > now the second group is the cats whiskers, and is on the > *Lewmar* web-site. just stay with their racing line, and you can't go > wrong. > > they also have a down-load that cane help you double-check your > line-loading specks. they seem a little high for that size boat to > me....... > > fiver > > ********************************** > > > *Harken* > > http://www.harken. <http://www.harken.com/blocks/blockspecs.php> com/blocks/blockspecs.php > > http://harkenstore. <http://harkenstore.com/uniface.urd/sccyspw1.eShowPage?> com/uniface.urd/sccyspw1.eShowPage? > 409Z56LC7FV66&409Z56LC7C9RU > > http://harkenstore. <http://harkenstore.com/uniface.urd/sccyspw1.eShowPage?> com/uniface.urd/sccyspw1.eShowPage? > 409Z56LC7FV66&409Z56LC4B4LU > > http://harkenstore. <http://harkenstore.com/uniface.urd/sccyspw1.eShowPage?> com/uniface.urd/sccyspw1.eShowPage? > 409Z56LC7FV66&409Z56LC5FMSA > > http://harkenstore. <http://harkenstore.com/uniface.urd/sccyspw1.eShowPage?> com/uniface.urd/sccyspw1.eShowPage? > 409Z56LC7FV66&409Z56LC4WKD6 > > > *Lewmar* (60-mm high-load racing) > > http://en.lewmar. <http://en.lewmar.com/products/index.aspx?lang=1&page_id=90> com/products/index.aspx?lang=1&page_id=90 > > http://en.lewmar. <http://en.lewmar.com/products/index.aspx?lang=1&page_id=542> com/products/index.aspx?lang=1&page_id=542 > > > > **************************************** > --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com, "John" <stacklynj@> wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > Just starting the process of leading the main halyard aft on my Cal > 31. By > > my calculations I have a 210 sq. ft. main sail and I'm using a 3/8" > Sta-set > > X halyard. I think I've figured the specs for the deck block > (around 2500 > > lbs SWL and 5000 BL), but I would appreciate any help in sizing a > cheek > > block (or organizer) and the cleat behind the cockpit winch (going > to use an > > old Belmar 20). > > Advice greatly appreciated, > > > > John Stacklyn > > Cal 31 #33 "Sol Survivor" > > Shell Point, FL > > > _____ Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=51732/*http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/> how.