A Boating Story...... (and then some)

well i guess if Bruce really wants to here about boating...... it was still just a bit over-cast by the time Skully (Karen's Hubby) had my truck all hitched up too Karen's 27' Sun-Deck BagLiner with all of Her three little Pekinese in the Crew-Cab and ready to go Sunday. Karen had just woke me up to drive them down to the boat-left; Karen wanted to get-going sooner but Her Hubby had been screwing around with some other dumb project-or-other. He does that at the worst times on Her. but it was 3:00 pm and still plenty enough time to get out on the Puget Sound to enjoy some nice early fall (stink-pot) boating. they asked me if i wanted to go along, but as tired as i was, i answered no way at first thought. so out the gravel road i drove and on to the gas station for that much-needed 20 gl. or so of sixty-five-million year old lizard juice. then it's 7 miles down to the local lift, where they do to a bay-liner what no buddy should ever do to any power boat...... fly it off the trailer, over the sea-wall, and drop it into the drink "Splash"! boats are not birds..... Skully is already down there on the dock to grab the boat, and my Sister takes Her three adorable (not) little dogs and walks off down the ramp toward the boat. so off i go to park the truck and trailer, this as the lift closes at 7:00 pm and that means that i will just have to be back down here in 3 bloody hours. so i guess i am going power-boating after-all, Oh-goody! do i get to drive....... well, after all of the nice little dogs finely settled down somewhere, and i convinced everyone that i had driven every sort of ship and boat (and things i can't even talk about) under gods blue sky. and no, i just wanted to sit and watch, think you...... so, where are we going? that's when Skully says; "lets go to gig harbor" ...... and well, their still using paper charts because i haven't stuck their Raytheon Chart-Plotter in yet. but the 112 seatalk mushroom antenna is up on the custom Chris-Craft look-alike mast i made for the boat; See!!!! Karen knows where the place is anyway, and heads the boat right for it. without any regard for traffic separation scheme, or ship-traffic; not that there was any for as far as the eye could see. the day had turned out beautifully, sun shining, the Sound was nearly glass-like. very few boats at all. i could blow harder than the wind was, or did all afternoon. and so on we went. with Coxswain Karen at the helm, dog in Her lap (or was that two). S-W by W into the cloudless late afternoon sun. the three of us talking about this and that, nothing important, at least not until i came up with the idea of painting all of the cabin windows black. and rigging a knot-log, flux-gate compass, and an inter-com as the only contact with the outside world. then put three people in the cabin and start in Seattle with a chart and 6 hours. the max speed they can order up is 10 knots. and they have control of heading and speed. they can come to periscope depth 6 times in the first hour (so they can get use to the feeling of not being able to see). but only once an hour after that. and if they come to *PD* within 2000 yards of another boat in the last 5 hours, they are sunk. to win, they must enter "gig harbor" safely. each they come to *PD*, they will be given all the bearings they need for a precise fix. i don't think my idea for a navigation game went over to well, but it would be a good teaching tool. so much for thinking....... it was about then that we had been out for an hour and a half; Bing! turn-around-time. i took a sight on a tangent (the only good one i could find). and Skully took the Coxswains seat, and about she came. i got a depth reading and that gave me a point on my tangent for a half-assed fix. that i then dully reported to the boats Master, Karen; at the 16:00 reports (90 minutes late). hay, that's good for fiver...... and about then, the coxswain sticks his foot in the carburetor to the tune of 3000 rpm and astern we note a rooster-tail (for the ships log). Karen must have been getting nervous or something, because it wasn't 10 minutes before She had Her Hubby idle-down so She could go below to use the head (Masters prerogative). Ok, Boats Master on Deck (again), ahead on all shafts! and we're off! so now the conversation turns to power boating. just where to mount the new electronics and how everything should look. i suggested the boat should have a set of "K" plane's to make it much better at speed. well, then i had to explain what "K" planes were. and by the time all of that was done, we were very nearly back to the harbor, so i got ready to handle the lines...... one thing worth note here is that we fell just short of "gig-harbor", but to Karen, it didn't matter. She just likes getting out on Her nice boat and being on the water. and if that is enough for Her, i will drag Her bagliner down to the sea any damn time She wants me too! **************************** Now...... for something special; on the way home from boat Sunday, i stopped by a little boat-yard near where we put-in at. and that is where i had that most unexpected pleasure of getting my very first look at "White Squall". no, i was not prepared, and didn't have a camera, Bruce. but not to worry, i will next time. She is sitting on Her keel and under cover, and in nice condition to my eye. looks just like a Cal-28 in large-scale with 4 foot added to the stern. i had asked permission to come in and look-see from the man working on Her; He who i learned is Her Owner, "Roger Deets" (and i hope i spelled that right, but don't quot me please). a very affable Man indeed. but of course, it was all i could do to hold back my *dueling* while remaining somewhat intelligent sounding. all i really wanted to do was crawl though this mans boat and inspect every inch on my belly with a flash-light and tape measure. i remember Him starting to say the boats name when i said something like: Your Boat is Famous! is the sister to every Cal-28 flush-deck out there. everyone knows The White Squall. there are a bunch of people just waiting for high-rez picture's of any sort they can get of your boat. and please, oh please, can i come back and take them as your work progresses? i think i made a complete fool of my self in the first five minutes before i even asked to go below. and this is me, a person who never ever walks up to anyone or goes to meet someone on her own. this was just way too kool! but this part is for Mr. Bruce; when you stand up in the back of "Gangfurd", and look forward over your deck, do you remember how you feel, Bruce? i know how i felt the first time i stood in the stern of BB-54 and reached for the tiller to turn her out into the harbor with the engine at an idle. that was "My" deck. All of it! well, i stood in the same place on "White Squall" and looked forward; she's only got 8 more foot forward then you and i do. and then i looked aft; she's got 4 foot aft of her cock-pit where you and i got none, Bruce. but you know what. it still feels the same, Bruce! just the same...... that boat has the very same cock-pit as we do. now i did go below, and i did talk with Roger for a good bit. and i am going back very soon. and yes, reports will follow.... if anyone has questions, make a list with and number the questions please. then post it here. i will copy and ask them as best i can. if you want a picture of something in particle, make that a question. and i will do my best. *************************** also, in other news; i just got my brand-new "Buck Algonquin" $300 plus, 1.75" bronze rudder shaft stuffing gland-6" baring with mounting plate, today. cost to fiver = $35.00...... the world is bright...... fiver, Master of The "BB-54" one of the famous Cal-28 flush-decks out of Sierra-5, Papa Hotel (in days gone by) now hove-too, not 10' south of my front porch; in my Sister Karen's one acre back yard....... 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Thank you, Fiver! Couldn't sleep. What a nice surprise. Can't imagine navigating like that, but it should certainly improve one's skills. The added bonus of White Squall was great, too. Can you confirm whether his was the only Cal 40 flush deck? Someone mentioned sighting one on the east coast in a post. Obviously, any and all photos are a tremendous bonus feature of membership on this site. Way to go, Fiver! Now I can settle down. What's eight feet here, and four feet there? Had a parrot once that barked liked a Pekinese! Here's my bonus feature: my parrots singing "Bridge On the River Kwai." Thanks, again! Bruce From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of fi… [at] aol.com Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 9:07 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] A Boating Story...... (and then some) well i guess if Bruce really wants to here about boating...... it was still just a bit over-cast by the time Skully (Karen's Hubby) had my truck all hitched up too Karen's 27' Sun-Deck BagLiner with all of Her three little Pekinese in the Crew-Cab and ready to go Sunday. Karen had just woke me up to drive them down to the boat-left; Karen wanted to get-going sooner but Her Hubby had been screwing around with some other dumb project-or-other. He does that at the worst times on Her. but it was 3:00 pm and still plenty enough time to get out on the Puget Sound to enjoy some nice early fall (stink-pot) boating. they asked me if i wanted to go along, but as tired as i was, i answered no way at first thought. so out the gravel road i drove and on to the gas station for that much-needed 20 gl. or so of sixty-five-million year old lizard juice. then it's 7 miles down to the local lift, where they do to a bay-liner what no buddy should ever do to any power boat...... fly it off the trailer, over the sea-wall, and drop it into the drink "Splash"! boats are not birds..... Skully is already down there on the dock to grab the boat, and my Sister takes Her three adorable (not) little dogs and walks off down the ramp toward the boat. so off i go to park the truck and trailer, this as the lift closes at 7:00 pm and that means that i will just have to be back down here in 3 bloody hours. so i guess i am going power-boating after-all, Oh-goody! do i get to drive....... well, after all of the nice little dogs finely settled down somewhere, and i convinced everyone that i had driven every sort of ship and boat (and things i can't even talk about) under gods blue sky. and no, i just wanted to sit and watch, think you...... so, where are we going? that's when Skully says; "lets go to gig harbor" ...... and well, their still using paper charts because i haven't stuck their Raytheon Chart-Plotter in yet. but the 112 seatalk mushroom antenna is up on the custom Chris-Craft look-alike mast i made for the boat; See!!!! Karen knows where the place is anyway, and heads the boat right for it. without any regard for traffic separation scheme, or ship-traffic; not that there was any for as far as the eye could see. the day had turned out beautifully, sun shining, the Sound was nearly glass-like. very few boats at all. i could blow harder than the wind was, or did all afternoon. and so on we went. with Coxswain Karen at the helm, dog in Her lap (or was that two). S-W by W into the cloudless late afternoon sun. the three of us talking about this and that, nothing important, at least not until i came up with the idea of painting all of the cabin windows black. and rigging a knot-log, flux-gate compass, and an inter-com as the only contact with the outside world. then put three people in the cabin and start in Seattle with a chart and 6 hours. the max speed they can order up is 10 knots. and they have control of heading and speed. they can come to periscope depth 6 times in the first hour (so they can get use to the feeling of not being able to see). but only once an hour after that. and if they come to *PD* within 2000 yards of another boat in the last 5 hours, they are sunk. to win, they must enter "gig harbor" safely. each they come to *PD*, they will be given all the bearings they need for a precise fix. i don't think my idea for a navigation game went over to well, but it would be a good teaching tool. so much for thinking....... it was about then that we had been out for an hour and a half; Bing! turn-around-time. i took a sight on a tangent (the only good one i could find). and Skully took the Coxswains seat, and about she came. i got a depth reading and that gave me a point on my tangent for a half-assed fix. that i then dully reported to the boats Master, Karen; at the 16:00 reports (90 minutes late). hay, that's good for fiver...... and about then, the coxswain sticks his foot in the carburetor to the tune of 3000 rpm and astern we note a rooster-tail (for the ships log). Karen must have been getting nervous or something, because it wasn't 10 minutes before She had Her Hubby idle-down so She could go below to use the head (Masters prerogative). Ok, Boats Master on Deck (again), ahead on all shafts! and we're off! so now the conversation turns to power boating. just where to mount the new electronics and how everything should look. i suggested the boat should have a set of "K" plane's to make it much better at speed. well, then i had to explain what "K" planes were. and by the time all of that was done, we were very nearly back to the harbor, so i got ready to handle the lines...... one thing worth note here is that we fell just short of "gig-harbor", but to Karen, it didn't matter. She just likes getting out on Her nice boat and being on the water. and if that is enough for Her, i will drag Her bagliner down to the sea any damn time She wants me too! **************************** Now...... for something special; on the way home from boat Sunday, i stopped by a little boat-yard near where we put-in at. and that is where i had that most unexpected pleasure of getting my very first look at "White Squall". no, i was not prepared, and didn't have a camera, Bruce. but not to worry, i will next time. She is sitting on Her keel and under cover, and in nice condition to my eye. looks just like a Cal-28 in large-scale with 4 foot added to the stern. i had asked permission to come in and look-see from the man working on Her; He who i learned is Her Owner, "Roger Deets" (and i hope i spelled that right, but don't quot me please). a very affable Man indeed. but of course, it was all i could do to hold back my *dueling* while remaining somewhat intelligent sounding. all i really wanted to do was crawl though this mans boat and inspect every inch on my belly with a flash-light and tape measure. i remember Him starting to say the boats name when i said something like: Your Boat is Famous! is the sister to every Cal-28 flush-deck out there. everyone knows The White Squall. there are a bunch of people just waiting for high-rez picture's of any sort they can get of your boat. and please, oh please, can i come back and take them as your work progresses? i think i made a complete fool of my self in the first five minutes before i even asked to go below. and this is me, a person who never ever walks up to anyone or goes to meet someone on her own. this was just way too kool! but this part is for Mr. Bruce; when you stand up in the back of "Gangfurd", and look forward over your deck, do you remember how you feel, Bruce? i know how i felt the first time i stood in the stern of BB-54 and reached for the tiller to turn her out into the harbor with the engine at an idle. that was "My" deck. All of it! well, i stood in the same place on "White Squall" and looked forward; she's only got 8 more foot forward then you and i do. and then i looked aft; she's got 4 foot aft of her cock-pit where you and i got none, Bruce. but you know what. it still feels the same, Bruce! just the same...... that boat has the very same cock-pit as we do. now i did go below, and i did talk with Roger for a good bit. and i am going back very soon. and yes, reports will follow.... if anyone has questions, make a list with and number the questions please. then post it here. i will copy and ask them as best i can. if you want a picture of something in particle, make that a question. and i will do my best. *************************** also, in other news; i just got my brand-new "Buck Algonquin" $300 plus, 1.75" bronze rudder shaft stuffing gland-6" baring with mounting plate, today. cost to fiver = $35.00...... the world is bright...... fiver, Master of The "BB-54" one of the famous Cal-28 flush-decks out of Sierra-5, Papa Hotel (in days gone by) now hove-too, not 10' south of my front porch; in my Sister Karen's one acre back yard....... 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Here's my question... how do they support that huge flush deck? When you tak eyour pix, you need to lookee. Awesome! CooL! Wow! Touch it for me! :-) Best, Marsh fi… [at] aol.com wrote: > > well i guess if Bruce really wants to here about boating...... > > > Now...... > > for something special; > > on the way home from boat Sunday, i stopped by a little > boat-yard near where we put-in at. and that is where i had that most > unexpected pleasure of getting my very first look at "White Squall". > no, i was not prepared, and didn't have a camera, Bruce. but not to > worry, i will next time. She is sitting on Her keel and under cover, > and in nice condition to my eye. looks just like a Cal-28 in > large-scale with 4 foot added to the stern. > > i had asked permission to come in and look-see from the man > working on Her; He who i learned is Her Owner, "Roger Deets" (and i > hope i spelled that right, but don't quot me please). a very affable > Man indeed. but of course, it was all i could do to hold back my > *dueling* while remaining somewhat intelligent sounding. all i really > wanted to do was crawl though this mans boat and inspect every inch on > my belly with a flash-light and tape measure. i remember Him starting > to say the boats name when i said something like: Your Boat is Famous! > is the sister to every Cal-28 flush-deck out there. everyone knows The > White Squall. there are a bunch of people just waiting for high-rez > picture's of any sort they can get of your boat. and please, oh > please, can i come back and take them as your work progresses? > > i think i made a complete fool of my self in the first five > minutes before i even asked to go below. and this is me, a person who > never ever walks up to anyone or goes to meet someone on her own. this > was just way too kool! > > but this part is for Mr. Bruce; > when you stand up in the back of "Gangfurd", and look forward > over your deck, do you remember how you feel, Bruce? i know how i felt > the first time i stood in the stern of BB-54 and reached for the > tiller to turn her out into the harbor with the engine at an idle. > that was "My" deck. All of it! well, i stood in the same place on > "White Squall" and looked forward; she's only got 8 more foot forward > then you and i do. and then i looked aft; she's got 4 foot aft of her > cock-pit where you and i got none, Bruce. but you know what. it still > feels the same, Bruce! just the same...... that boat has the very same > cock-pit as we do. > > now i did go below, and i did talk with Roger for a good bit. > and i am going back very soon. and yes, reports will > follow.... if anyone has questions, make a list with and number the > questions please. then post it here. i will copy and ask them as best > i can. if you want a picture of something in particle, make that a > question. and i will do my best. > > *************************** > > also, in other news; > i just got my brand-new "Buck Algonquin" $300 plus, 1.75" > bronze rudder shaft stuffing gland-6" baring with mounting plate, > today. cost to fiver = $35.00...... the world > is bright...... > > > > fiver, > Master of The "BB-54" > one of the famous Cal-28 flush-decks > out of Sierra-5, Papa Hotel (in days gone by) > now hove-too, not 10' south of my front porch; > in my Sister Karen's one acre back yard....... > > (built like a Battleship; sails like a Sub......) > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > See what's new at AOL.com > <http://www.aol.com?NCID=AOLCMP00300000001170> and Make AOL Your > Homepage <http://www.aol.com/mksplash.adp?NCID=AOLCMP00300000001169>. > -- Marsh Wise Webmaster: -reenactor.Net: http://www.reenactor.net/ -Foresthill.us: http://www.foresthill.us/ -Legio IX Hispana Penna: http://www.reenactor.net/units/legio_ix_penna/ - 17. Luftwaffe Feld-Division <http://www.reenactor.net/units/17lwfd/> Assistant Webmaster: -VAQ-33 Squadron site: http://www.reenactor.net/vaq-33/ Proud Member (meaning I can just have fun...) -LEGIO IX HISPANA COH III Penna Chapter: http://www.legio-ix-hispana.org/ Netscape Aim/AOL screen name: Sturmkatze Yahoo Messenger screen name: sturmkatze Alteris renumera duplum de quoquo tibi numeraverunt Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.... But then I repeat myself. ~Mark Twain *Last: Hey Dammit! Have you visited the reenactor.Net FORvMS? If not, WHY NOT? Gett your butt over to: http://www.reenactor.net/forums/index.php right now!

--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Stirling" <bruce@...> wrote: > > Thank you, Fiver! Couldn't sleep. What a nice surprise. Can't imagine > navigating like that, but it should certainly improve one's skills. The > added bonus of White Squall was great, too. Can you confirm whether his was > the only Cal 40 flush deck? Someone mentioned sighting one on the east > coast in a post. Obviously, any and all photos are a tremendous bonus > feature of membership on this site. I have some White Squall photos here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/9030851@N08/sets/72157600368863071/ It is hull # 5 and was built for Willis Boyd who owned the land under Jensen Marine and built the plug for the 40. It's original name was "Rocking Chair. " Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96

Those are the photos that made me want more! And Mike, I am sure I am not alone in hoping that you share some Transpac and Ensenada adventures, too. You are all I have! --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "mtkennedy1" <mtkennedy1@...> wrote: > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Stirling" <bruce@> wrote: > > > > Thank you, Fiver! Couldn't sleep. What a nice surprise. Can't imagine > > navigating like that, but it should certainly improve one's skills. The > > added bonus of White Squall was great, too. Can you confirm whether his was > > the only Cal 40 flush deck? Someone mentioned sighting one on the east > > coast in a post. Obviously, any and all photos are a tremendous bonus > > feature of membership on this site. > > I have some White Squall photos here: > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/9030851@N08/sets/72157600368863071/ > > It is hull # 5 and was built for Willis Boyd who owned the land under Jensen Marine and built > the plug for the 40. It's original name was "Rocking Chair. " > > Mike Kennedy > Conquest Cal 40 # 96 >

Bruce Stirling wrote: > > Those are the photos that made me want more! > I was struck by that double- or triple-reefed mainsail, leaving just a little patch of sail, and the big jib. The mainsail can't be doing much more than providing a bit of balance to diminish lee helm. Chris Campbell

Also my question, Marsh. Looks to be a lot of curvature, which helps. But I don't see any flying buttresses or anything. After all, this is a cathedral. Yeah, Fiver's right. It's a CAL 28 with too many windows. Here's another shot of the boat. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Marsh Wise Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 8:34 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] A Boating Story...... (and then some) Here's my question... how do they support that huge flush deck? When you tak eyour pix, you need to lookee. Awesome! CooL! Wow! Touch it for me! :-) Best, Marsh fi… [at] aol.com wrote: well i guess if Bruce really wants to here about boating...... Now...... for something special; on the way home from boat Sunday, i stopped by a little boat-yard near where we put-in at. and that is where i had that most unexpected pleasure of getting my very first look at "White Squall". no, i was not prepared, and didn't have a camera, Bruce. but not to worry, i will next time. She is sitting on Her keel and under cover, and in nice condition to my eye. looks just like a Cal-28 in large-scale with 4 foot added to the stern. i had asked permission to come in and look-see from the man working on Her; He who i learned is Her Owner, "Roger Deets" (and i hope i spelled that right, but don't quot me please). a very affable Man indeed. but of course, it was all i could do to hold back my *dueling* while remaining somewhat intelligent sounding. all i really wanted to do was crawl though this mans boat and inspect every inch on my belly with a flash-light and tape measure. i remember Him starting to say the boats name when i said something like: Your Boat is Famous! is the sister to every Cal-28 flush-deck out there. everyone knows The White Squall. there are a bunch of people just waiting for high-rez picture's of any sort they can get of your boat. and please, oh please, can i come back and take them as your work progresses? i think i made a complete fool of my self in the first five minutes before i even asked to go below. and this is me, a person who never ever walks up to anyone or goes to meet someone on her own. this was just way too kool! but this part is for Mr. Bruce; when you stand up in the back of "Gangfurd", and look forward over your deck, do you remember how you feel, Bruce? i know how i felt the first time i stood in the stern of BB-54 and reached for the tiller to turn her out into the harbor with the engine at an idle. that was "My" deck. All of it! well, i stood in the same place on "White Squall" and looked forward; she's only got 8 more foot forward then you and i do. and then i looked aft; she's got 4 foot aft of her cock-pit where you and i got none, Bruce. but you know what. it still feels the same, Bruce! just the same...... that boat has the very same cock-pit as we do. now i did go below, and i did talk with Roger for a good bit. and i am going back very soon. and yes, reports will follow.... if anyone has questions, make a list with and number the questions please. then post it here. i will copy and ask them as best i can. if you want a picture of something in particle, make that a question. and i will do my best. *************************** also, in other news; i just got my brand-new "Buck Algonquin" $300 plus, 1.75" bronze rudder shaft stuffing gland-6" baring with mounting plate, today. cost to fiver = $35.00...... the world is bright...... fiver, Master of The "BB-54" one of the famous Cal-28 flush-decks out of Sierra-5, Papa Hotel (in days gone by) now hove-too, not 10' south of my front porch; in my Sister Karen's one acre back yard....... (built like a Battleship; sails like a Sub......) See what's new at AOL.com <http://www.aol.com?NCID=AOLCMP00300000001170> and Make AOL Your Homepage <http://www.aol.com/mksplash.adp?NCID=AOLCMP00300000001169> . -- Marsh Wise Webmaster: -reenactor.Net: http://www.reenactor.net/ -Foresthill.us: http://www.foresthill.us/ -Legio IX Hispana Penna: http://www.reenactor.net/units/legio_ix_penna/ - 17. Luftwaffe Feld-Division <http://www.reenactor.net/units/17lwfd/> <http://www.reenactor.net/units/17lwfd/> Assistant Webmaster: -VAQ-33 Squadron site: http://www.reenactor.net/vaq-33/ Proud Member (meaning I can just have fun...) -LEGIO IX HISPANA COH III Penna Chapter: http://www.legio-ix-hispana.org/ Netscape Aim/AOL screen name: Sturmkatze Yahoo Messenger screen name: sturmkatze Alteris renumera duplum de quoquo tibi numeraverunt Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.... But then I repeat myself. ~Mark Twain *Last: Hey Dammit! Have you visited the reenactor.Net FORvMS? If not, WHY NOT? Gett your butt over to: http://www.reenactor.net/forums/index.php right now!

Husar, Charlie wrote: > > > > Yeah, Fiver's right. It's a CAL 28 with too many windows. > Nobody asked me, but in my personal opinion, the Cal 20 is a handsomer raised-deck vessel. But then I'm just a sucker for Cal 20s. Chris Campbell

Here is another photo, taken last winter at the Gov Teats Memorial. The race was named for White Squall¹s long time owner. (Note that we are ahead and to windward on the Cal 33 Teaser. Terry Spencer Capriccio Cal 2-29 Tacoma From: "Husar, Charlie" <hu… [at] bah.com> Reply-To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:51:41 -0400 To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] CAL 40 Deck (was... A Boating Story) Also my question, Marsh. Looks to be a lot of curvature, which helps. But I don't see any flying buttresses or anything. After all, this is a cathedral. Yeah, Fiver's right. It's a CAL 28 with too many windows. Here's another shot of the boat. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Marsh Wise Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 8:34 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] A Boating Story...... (and then some) Here's my question... how do they support that huge flush deck? When you tak eyour pix, you need to lookee. Awesome! CooL! Wow! Touch it for me! :-) Best, Marsh fi… [at] aol.com wrote: > > well i guess if Bruce really wants to here about boating...... > > > > > > Now...... > > > > for something special; > > > > on the way home from boat Sunday, i stopped by a little boat-yard near > where we put-in at. and that is where i had that most unexpected pleasure of > getting my very first look at "White Squall". no, i was not prepared, and > didn't have a camera, Bruce. but not to worry, i will next time. She is > sitting on Her keel and under cover, and in nice condition to my eye. looks > just like a Cal-28 in large-scale with 4 foot added to the stern. > > > > i had asked permission to come in and look-see from the man working on > Her; He who i learned is Her Owner, "Roger Deets" (and i hope i spelled that > right, but don't quot me please). a very affable Man indeed. but of course, > it was all i could do to hold back my *dueling* while remaining somewhat > intelligent sounding. all i really wanted to do was crawl though this mans > boat and inspect every inch on my belly with a flash-light and tape measure. > i remember Him starting to say the boats name when i said something like: > Your Boat is Famous! is the sister to every Cal-28 flush-deck out there. > everyone knows The White Squall. there are a bunch of people just waiting for > high-rez picture's of any sort they can get of your boat. and please, oh > please, can i come back and take them as your work progresses? > > > > i think i made a complete fool of my self in the first five minutes > before i even asked to go below. and this is me, a person who never ever > walks up to anyone or goes to meet someone on her own. this was just way too > kool! > > > > but this part is for Mr. Bruce; > > when you stand up in the back of "Gangfurd", and look forward over > your deck, do you remember how you feel, Bruce? i know how i felt the first > time i stood in the stern of BB-54 and reached for the tiller to turn her out > into the harbor with the engine at an idle. that was "My" deck. All of it! > well, i stood in the same place on "White Squall" and looked forward; she's > only got 8 more foot forward then you and i do. and then i looked aft; she's > got 4 foot aft of her cock-pit where you and i got none, Bruce. but you know > what. it still feels the same, Bruce! just the same...... that boat has the > very same cock-pit as we do. > > > > now i did go below, and i did talk with Roger for a good bit. and i am > going back very soon. and yes, reports will follow.... if anyone has > questions, make a list with and number the questions please. then post it > here. i will copy and ask them as best i can. if you want a picture of > something in particle, make that a question. and i will do my best. > > > > *************************** > > > > also, in other news; > > i just got my brand-new "Buck Algonquin" $300 plus, 1.75" bronze > rudder shaft stuffing gland-6" baring with mounting plate, today. cost to > fiver = $35.00...... the world is bright...... > > > > > > > fiver, > Master of The "BB-54" > one of the famous Cal-28 flush-decks > out of Sierra-5, Papa Hotel (in days gone by) > now hove-too, not 10' south of my front porch; > in my Sister Karen's one acre back yard....... > > (built like a Battleship; sails like a Sub......) > > > > > > See what's new at AOL.com <http://www.aol.com?NCID=AOLCMP00300000001170> and Make AOL Your Homepage <http://www.aol.com/mksplash.adp?NCID=AOLCMP00300000001169> . -- Marsh Wise Webmaster: -reenactor.Net: http://www.reenactor.net/ -Foresthill.us: http://www.foresthill.us/ -Legio IX Hispana Penna: http://www.reenactor.net/units/legio_ix_penna/ - 17. 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Wow! I really love how it looks. :-) WHY didn't they build more of these? Marsh Terrence Spencer wrote: > Here is another photo, taken last winter at the Gov Teats Memorial. > The race was named for White Squall's long time owner. (Note that we > are ahead and to windward on the Cal 33 Teaser. > > Terry Spencer > Capriccio > Cal 2-29 > Tacoma > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -- Marsh Wise

say, Terry; i wonder if you mite send me a copy of those two picture's of "White Squall" privately as i don't get the groups e-mail at home. i read it online. my e-mail address is; fi… [at] aol.com many thanks, fiver....... *********************************** --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Terrence Spencer <tspencer@...> wrote: > > Here is another photo, taken last winter at the Gov Teats Memorial. The > race was named for White Squall¹s long time owner. (Note that we are ahead > and to windward on the Cal 33 Teaser. > > Terry Spencer > Capriccio > Cal 2-29 > Tacoma >

Thanks, again, Terry, for the White Squall photo. I took it into Photoshop and played around a bit. Here is another photo taken from the one you sent to the group. Bruce From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Terrence Spencer Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 7:23 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL 40 Deck (was... A Boating Story) Here is another photo, taken last winter at the Gov Teats Memorial. The race was named for White Squall’s long time owner. (Note that we are ahead and to windward on the Cal 33 Teaser. Terry Spencer Capriccio Cal 2-29 Tacoma ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- From: "Husar, Charlie" <hu… [at] bah.com> Reply-To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:51:41 -0400 To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] CAL 40 Deck (was... A Boating Story) Also my question, Marsh. Looks to be a lot of curvature, which helps. But I don't see any flying buttresses or anything. After all, this is a cathedral. Yeah, Fiver's right. It's a CAL 28 with too many windows. Here's another shot of the boat. Cheers Charlie ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Marsh Wise Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 8:34 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] A Boating Story...... (and then some) Here's my question... how do they support that huge flush deck? When you tak eyour pix, you need to lookee. Awesome! CooL! Wow! Touch it for me! :-) Best, Marsh fi… [at] aol.com wrote: well i guess if Bruce really wants to here about boating...... Now...... for something special; on the way home from boat Sunday, i stopped by a little boat-yard near where we put-in at. and that is where i had that most unexpected pleasure of getting my very first look at "White Squall". no, i was not prepared, and didn't have a camera, Bruce. but not to worry, i will next time. She is sitting on Her keel and under cover, and in nice condition to my eye. looks just like a Cal-28 in large-scale with 4 foot added to the stern. i had asked permission to come in and look-see from the man working on Her; He who i learned is Her Owner, "Roger Deets" (and i hope i spelled that right, but don't quot me please). a very affable Man indeed. but of course, it was all i could do to hold back my *dueling* while remaining somewhat intelligent sounding. all i really wanted to do was crawl though this mans boat and inspect every inch on my belly with a flash-light and tape measure. i remember Him starting to say the boats name when i said something like: Your Boat is Famous! is the sister to every Cal-28 flush-deck out there. everyone knows The White Squall. there are a bunch of people just waiting for high-rez picture's of any sort they can get of your boat. and please, oh please, can i come back and take them as your work progresses? i think i made a complete fool of my self in the first five minutes before i even asked to go below. and this is me, a person who never ever walks up to anyone or goes to meet someone on her own. this was just way too kool! but this part is for Mr. Bruce; when you stand up in the back of "Gangfurd", and look forward over your deck, do you remember how you feel, Bruce? i know how i felt the first time i stood in the stern of BB-54 and reached for the tiller to turn her out into the harbor with the engine at an idle. that was "My" deck. All of it! well, i stood in the same place on "White Squall" and looked forward; she's only got 8 more foot forward then you and i do. and then i looked aft; she's got 4 foot aft of her cock-pit where you and i got none, Bruce. but you know what. it still feels the same, Bruce! just the same...... that boat has the very same cock-pit as we do. now i did go below, and i did talk with Roger for a good bit. and i am going back very soon. and yes, reports will follow.... if anyone has questions, make a list with and number the questions please. then post it here. i will copy and ask them as best i can. if you want a picture of something in particle, make that a question. and i will do my best. *************************** also, in other news; i just got my brand-new "Buck Algonquin" $300 plus, 1.75" bronze rudder shaft stuffing gland-6" baring with mounting plate, today. cost to fiver = $35.00...... the world is bright...... fiver, Master of The "BB-54" one of the famous Cal-28 flush-decks out of Sierra-5, Papa Hotel (in days gone by) now hove-too, not 10' south of my front porch; in my Sister Karen's one acre back yard....... 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Sorry we did not let them get a lot closer, given the demand for pictures. It was a race after all and they were picking on us with that big long waterline. It became a reach to the finish, but we held them off. Terry Spencer From: "Bruce Stirling" <br… [at] stirlinglaw.com> Reply-To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 21:53:42 -0700 To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] CAL 40 Deck (was... A Boating Story) Thanks, again, Terry, for the White Squall photo. I took it into Photoshop and played around a bit. Here is another photo taken from the one you sent to the group. Bruce From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Terrence Spencer Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 7:23 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL 40 Deck (was... A Boating Story) Here is another photo, taken last winter at the Gov Teats Memorial. The race was named for White Squall’s long time owner. (Note that we are ahead and to windward on the Cal 33 Teaser. Terry Spencer Capriccio Cal 2-29 Tacoma From: "Husar, Charlie" <hu… [at] bah.com> Reply-To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:51:41 -0400 To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] CAL 40 Deck (was... A Boating Story) Also my question, Marsh. Looks to be a lot of curvature, which helps. But I don't see any flying buttresses or anything. After all, this is a cathedral. Yeah, Fiver's right. It's a CAL 28 with too many windows. Here's another shot of the boat. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Marsh Wise Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 8:34 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] A Boating Story...... (and then some) Here's my question... how do they support that huge flush deck? When you tak eyour pix, you need to lookee. Awesome! CooL! Wow! Touch it for me! :-) Best, Marsh fi… [at] aol.com wrote: > > well i guess if Bruce really wants to here about boating...... > > > > > > Now...... > > > > for something special; > > > > on the way home from boat Sunday, i stopped by a little boat-yard > near where we put-in at. and that is where i had that most unexpected > pleasure of getting my very first look at "White Squall". no, i was not > prepared, and didn't have a camera, Bruce. but not to worry, i will next > time. She is sitting on Her keel and under cover, and in nice condition to > my eye. looks just like a Cal-28 in large-scale with 4 foot added to the > stern. > > > > i had asked permission to come in and look-see from the man working on > Her; He who i learned is Her Owner, "Roger Deets" (and i hope i spelled that > right, but don't quot me please). a very affable Man indeed. but of course, > it was all i could do to hold back my *dueling* while remaining somewhat > intelligent sounding. all i really wanted to do was crawl though this mans > boat and inspect every inch on my belly with a flash-light and tape measure. > i remember Him starting to say the boats name when i said something like: > Your Boat is Famous! is the sister to every Cal-28 flush-deck out there. > everyone knows The White Squall. there are a bunch of people just waiting > for high-rez picture's of any sort they can get of your boat. and please, oh > please, can i come back and take them as your work progresses? > > > > i think i made a complete fool of my self in the first five minutes > before i even asked to go below. and this is me, a person who never ever > walks up to anyone or goes to meet someone on her own. this was just way too > kool! > > > > but this part is for Mr. Bruce; > > when you stand up in the back of "Gangfurd", and look forward over > your deck, do you remember how you feel, Bruce? i know how i felt the first > time i stood in the stern of BB-54 and reached for the tiller to turn her > out into the harbor with the engine at an idle. that was "My" deck. All of > it! well, i stood in the same place on "White Squall" and looked forward; > she's only got 8 more foot forward then you and i do. and then i looked aft; > she's got 4 foot aft of her cock-pit where you and i got none, Bruce. but > you know what. it still feels the same, Bruce! just the same...... that boat > has the very same cock-pit as we do. > > > > now i did go below, and i did talk with Roger for a good bit. and i am > going back very soon. and yes, reports will follow.... if anyone has > questions, make a list with and number the questions please. then post it > here. i will copy and ask them as best i can. if you want a picture of > something in particle, make that a question. and i will do my best. > > > > *************************** > > > > also, in other news; > > i just got my brand-new "Buck Algonquin" $300 plus, 1.75" bronze > rudder shaft stuffing gland-6" baring with mounting plate, today. cost to > fiver = $35.00...... the world is bright...... > > > > > > > fiver, > Master of The "BB-54" > one of the famous Cal-28 flush-decks > out of Sierra-5, Papa Hotel (in days gone by) > now hove-too, not 10' south of my front porch; > in my Sister Karen's one acre back yard....... > > (built like a Battleship; sails like a Sub......) > > > > > > > > See what's new at AOL.com <http://www.aol.com?NCID=AOLCMP00300000001170> and Make AOL Your Homepage <http://www.aol.com/mksplash.adp?NCID=AOLCMP00300000001169> . -- Marsh Wise Webmaster: -reenactor.Net: http://www.reenactor.net/ -Foresthill.us: http://www.foresthill.us/ -Legio IX Hispana Penna: http://www.reenactor.net/units/legio_ix_penna/ - 17. 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Reply to the "why" ... More weight, higher center-of-gravity, I'd guess. Yes, it did offer more volume down below, but in 1965, the standard Cal-40 offered more interior space than any other 40' racer of that time. For those who may not know. the boat was commissioned by Willis Boyd. He was inventive, a fine sailor/helmsman, but a bit of a maverick. Before the "Cal" days, he owned the first L(apworth)-40 and the first L-45. The L-45 was built in the pre-Barient days, so Willis cast his own winches, to his own design. Fin Beven Cal-40 #24 Radiant San Pedro, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: Marsh Wise<mailto:ma… [at] reenactor.net> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 7:57 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] White Squall :-) Wow! I really love how it looks. :-) WHY didn't they build more of these? Marsh Terrence Spencer wrote: Here is another photo, taken last winter at the Gov Teats Memorial. The race was named for White Squall's long time owner. (Note that we are ahead and to windward on the Cal 33 Teaser. Terry Spencer Capriccio Cal 2-29 Tacoma ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Marsh Wise

I read somewhere about a comment Lapworth made about "that Cal __ is an uncommonly fast boat," or something similar. Wasn't he referring to the Cal 33? What was the correct quote? How were you able to hold off the larger Cal 40? Light air, better sails, better captain and crew? --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Terrence Spencer <tspencer@...> wrote: > > Sorry we did not let them get a lot closer, given the demand for pictures. > It was a race after all and they were picking on us with that big long > waterline. It became a reach to the finish, but we held them off. > > Terry Spencer > > > From: "Bruce Stirling" <bruce@...> > Reply-To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 21:53:42 -0700 > To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] CAL 40 Deck (was... A Boating Story) > > > > > > Thanks, again, Terry, for the White Squall photo. I took it into Photoshop > and played around a bit. Here is another photo taken from the one you sent > to the group. > > Bruce > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf > Of Terrence Spencer > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 7:23 PM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL 40 Deck (was... A Boating Story) > > Here is another photo, taken last winter at the Gov Teats Memorial. The > race was named for White Squall's long time owner. (Note that we are ahead > and to windward on the Cal 33 Teaser. > > Terry Spencer > Capriccio > Cal 2-29 > Tacoma > > > From: "Husar, Charlie" <husar_charlie@...> > Reply-To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:51:41 -0400 > To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [Cal_Boats] CAL 40 Deck (was... A Boating Story) > > > > > > Also my question, Marsh. Looks to be a lot of curvature, which helps. But > I don't see any flying buttresses or anything. After all, this is a > cathedral. > > Yeah, Fiver's right. It's a CAL 28 with too many windows. > > Here's another shot of the boat. > > Cheers > Charlie > > > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf > Of Marsh Wise > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 8:34 AM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] A Boating Story...... (and then some) > > Here's my question... how do they support that huge flush deck? When you tak > eyour pix, you need to lookee. Awesome! CooL! Wow! Touch it for me! :-) > Best, Marsh > > fiverhrairoo@... wrote: > > > > well i guess if Bruce really wants to here about boating...... > > > > > > > > > > > > Now...... > > > > > > > > for something special; > > > > > > > > on the way home from boat Sunday, i stopped by a little boat-yard > > near where we put-in at. and that is where i had that most unexpected > > pleasure of getting my very first look at "White Squall". no, i was not > > prepared, and didn't have a camera, Bruce. but not to worry, i will next > > time. She is sitting on Her keel and under cover, and in nice condition to > > my eye. looks just like a Cal-28 in large-scale with 4 foot added to the > > stern. > > > > > > > > i had asked permission to come in and look-see from the man working on > > Her; He who i learned is Her Owner, "Roger Deets" (and i hope i spelled that > > right, but don't quot me please). a very affable Man indeed. but of course, > > it was all i could do to hold back my *dueling* while remaining somewhat > > intelligent sounding. all i really wanted to do was crawl though this mans > > boat and inspect every inch on my belly with a flash-light and tape measure. > > i remember Him starting to say the boats name when i said something like: > > Your Boat is Famous! is the sister to every Cal-28 flush-deck out there. > > everyone knows The White Squall. there are a bunch of people just waiting > > for high-rez picture's of any sort they can get of your boat. and please, oh > > please, can i come back and take them as your work progresses? > > > > > > > > i think i made a complete fool of my self in the first five minutes > > before i even asked to go below. and this is me, a person who never ever > > walks up to anyone or goes to meet someone on her own. this was just way too > > kool! > > > > > > > > but this part is for Mr. Bruce; > > > > when you stand up in the back of "Gangfurd", and look forward over > > your deck, do you remember how you feel, Bruce? i know how i felt the first > > time i stood in the stern of BB-54 and reached for the tiller to turn her > > out into the harbor with the engine at an idle. that was "My" deck. All of > > it! well, i stood in the same place on "White Squall" and looked forward; > > she's only got 8 more foot forward then you and i do. and then i looked aft; > > she's got 4 foot aft of her cock-pit where you and i got none, Bruce. but > > you know what. it still feels the same, Bruce! just the same...... that boat > > has the very same cock-pit as we do. > > > > > > > > now i did go below, and i did talk with Roger for a good bit. and i am > > going back very soon. and yes, reports will follow.... if anyone has > > questions, make a list with and number the questions please. then post it > > here. i will copy and ask them as best i can. if you want a picture of > > something in particle, make that a question. and i will do my best. > > > > > > > > *************************** > > > > > > > > also, in other news; > > > > i just got my brand-new "Buck Algonquin" $300 plus, 1.75" bronze > > rudder shaft stuffing gland-6" baring with mounting plate, today. cost to > > fiver = $35.00...... the world is bright...... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fiver, > > Master of The "BB-54" > > one of the famous Cal-28 flush-decks > > out of Sierra-5, Papa Hotel (in days gone by) > > now hove-too, not 10' south of my front porch; > > in my Sister Karen's one acre back yard....... > > > > (built like a Battleship; sails like a Sub......) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See what's new at AOL.com <http://www.aol.com? NCID=AOLCMP00300000001170> > and Make AOL Your Homepage > <http://www.aol.com/mksplash.adp?NCID=AOLCMP00300000001169> . > > -- > Marsh Wise > Webmaster: > -reenactor.Net: http://www.reenactor.net/ > -Foresthill.us: http://www.foresthill.us/ > -Legio IX Hispana Penna: http://www.reenactor.net/units/legio_ix_penna/ > - 17. Luftwaffe Feld-Division <http://www.reenactor.net/units/17lwfd/> > > Assistant Webmaster: > -VAQ-33 Squadron site: http://www.reenactor.net/vaq-33/ > > Proud Member (meaning I can just have fun...) > -LEGIO IX HISPANA COH III Penna Chapter: http://www.legio-ix- hispana.org/ > > Netscape Aim/AOL screen name: Sturmkatze > > Yahoo Messenger screen name: sturmkatze > > Alteris renumera duplum de quoquo tibi numeraverunt > > Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.... But > then I repeat myself. ~Mark Twain > > *Last: Hey Dammit! Have you visited the reenactor.Net FORvMS? 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There are many other factors like cleaner bottom and rig setting. I've seen great sails go slow. Also, there is a differentiation for captain and crew. Better captain can go with better driver and better tactics. Better crew can go with mechanics and trim as well as tactics. Then, given the positions, might just have dumped some foul air on them - better tactics again. Unrelated comment: Round these parts, I am often amazed how many skippers would rather complain about their PHRF rating than properly acknowledge that they are not very good sailors. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Stirling Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 9:47 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL 40 Deck (was... A Boating Story) I read somewhere about a comment Lapworth made about "that Cal __ is an uncommonly fast boat," or something similar. Wasn't he referring to the Cal 33? What was the correct quote? How were you able to hold off the larger Cal 40? Light air, better sails, better captain and crew? --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Terrence Spencer <tspencer@...> wrote: > > Sorry we did not let them get a lot closer, given the demand for pictures. > It was a race after all and they were picking on us with that big long > waterline. It became a reach to the finish, but we held them off. > > Terry Spencer > > > From: "Bruce Stirling" <bruce@...> > Reply-To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 21:53:42 -0700 > To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] CAL 40 Deck (was... A Boating Story) > > > > > > Thanks, again, Terry, for the White Squall photo. I took it into Photoshop > and played around a bit. Here is another photo taken from the one you sent > to the group. > > Bruce > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf > Of Terrence Spencer > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 7:23 PM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL 40 Deck (was... A Boating Story) > > Here is another photo, taken last winter at the Gov Teats Memorial. The > race was named for White Squall's long time owner. (Note that we are ahead > and to windward on the Cal 33 Teaser. > > Terry Spencer > Capriccio > Cal 2-29 > Tacoma > > > From: "Husar, Charlie" <husar_charlie@...> > Reply-To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:51:41 -0400 > To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [Cal_Boats] CAL 40 Deck (was... A Boating Story) > > > > > > Also my question, Marsh. Looks to be a lot of curvature, which helps. But > I don't see any flying buttresses or anything. After all, this is a > cathedral. > > Yeah, Fiver's right. It's a CAL 28 with too many windows. > > Here's another shot of the boat. > > Cheers > Charlie > > > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf > Of Marsh Wise > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 8:34 AM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] A Boating Story...... (and then some) > > Here's my question... how do they support that huge flush deck? When you tak > eyour pix, you need to lookee. Awesome! CooL! Wow! Touch it for me! :-) > Best, Marsh > > fiverhrairoo@... wrote: > > > > well i guess if Bruce really wants to here about boating...... > > > > > > > > > > > > Now...... > > > > > > > > for something special; > > > > > > > > on the way home from boat Sunday, i stopped by a little boat-yard > > near where we put-in at. and that is where i had that most unexpected > > pleasure of getting my very first look at "White Squall". no, i was not > > prepared, and didn't have a camera, Bruce. but not to worry, i will next > > time. She is sitting on Her keel and under cover, and in nice condition to > > my eye. looks just like a Cal-28 in large-scale with 4 foot added to the > > stern. > > > > > > > > i had asked permission to come in and look-see from the man working on > > Her; He who i learned is Her Owner, "Roger Deets" (and i hope i spelled that > > right, but don't quot me please). a very affable Man indeed. but of course, > > it was all i could do to hold back my *dueling* while remaining somewhat > > intelligent sounding. all i really wanted to do was crawl though this mans > > boat and inspect every inch on my belly with a flash-light and tape measure. > > i remember Him starting to say the boats name when i said something like: > > Your Boat is Famous! is the sister to every Cal-28 flush-deck out there. > > everyone knows The White Squall. there are a bunch of people just waiting > > for high-rez picture's of any sort they can get of your boat. and please, oh > > please, can i come back and take them as your work progresses? > > > > > > > > i think i made a complete fool of my self in the first five minutes > > before i even asked to go below. and this is me, a person who never ever > > walks up to anyone or goes to meet someone on her own. this was just way too > > kool! > > > > > > > > but this part is for Mr. Bruce; > > > > when you stand up in the back of "Gangfurd", and look forward over > > your deck, do you remember how you feel, Bruce? i know how i felt the first > > time i stood in the stern of BB-54 and reached for the tiller to turn her > > out into the harbor with the engine at an idle. that was "My" deck. All of > > it! well, i stood in the same place on "White Squall" and looked forward; > > she's only got 8 more foot forward then you and i do. and then i looked aft; > > she's got 4 foot aft of her cock-pit where you and i got none, Bruce. but > > you know what. it still feels the same, Bruce! just the same...... that boat > > has the very same cock-pit as we do. > > > > > > > > now i did go below, and i did talk with Roger for a good bit. and i am > > going back very soon. and yes, reports will follow.... if anyone has > > questions, make a list with and number the questions please. then post it > > here. i will copy and ask them as best i can. if you want a picture of > > something in particle, make that a question. and i will do my best. > > > > > > > > *************************** > > > > > > > > also, in other news; > > > > i just got my brand-new "Buck Algonquin" $300 plus, 1.75" bronze > > rudder shaft stuffing gland-6" baring with mounting plate, today. cost to > > fiver = $35.00...... the world is bright...... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fiver, > > Master of The "BB-54" > > one of the famous Cal-28 flush-decks out of Sierra-5, Papa Hotel > > (in days gone by) > > now hove-too, not 10' south of my front porch; > > in my Sister Karen's one acre back yard....... > > > > (built like a Battleship; sails like a Sub......) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See what's new at AOL.com <http://www.aol.com? 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Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL 40 Deck (was... A Boating Story)Looks like a raised deck, not a flush deck design. Joe DeMers Sound Marine Diesel LLC www.soundmarinediesel.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Terrence Spencer To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 8:37 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL 40 Deck (was... A Boating Story) Sorry we did not let them get a lot closer, given the demand for pictures. It was a race after all and they were picking on us with that big long waterline. It became a reach to the finish, but we held them off. Terry Spencer ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: "Bruce Stirling" <br… [at] stirlinglaw.com> Reply-To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 21:53:42 -0700 To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] CAL 40 Deck (was... A Boating Story) Thanks, again, Terry, for the White Squall photo. I took it into Photoshop and played around a bit. Here is another photo taken from the one you sent to the group. Bruce -----Original Message----- From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Terrence Spencer Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 7:23 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL 40 Deck (was... A Boating Story) Here is another photo, taken last winter at the Gov Teats Memorial. The race was named for White Squall's long time owner. (Note that we are ahead and to windward on the Cal 33 Teaser. Terry Spencer Capriccio Cal 2-29 Tacoma ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: "Husar, Charlie" <hu… [at] bah.com> Reply-To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:51:41 -0400 To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] CAL 40 Deck (was... A Boating Story) Also my question, Marsh. Looks to be a lot of curvature, which helps. But I don't see any flying buttresses or anything. After all, this is a cathedral. Yeah, Fiver's right. It's a CAL 28 with too many windows. Here's another shot of the boat. Cheers Charlie ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Marsh Wise Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 8:34 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] A Boating Story...... (and then some) Here's my question... how do they support that huge flush deck? When you tak eyour pix, you need to lookee. Awesome! CooL! Wow! Touch it for me! :-) Best, Marsh fi… [at] aol.com wrote: well i guess if Bruce really wants to here about boating...... Now...... for something special; on the way home from boat Sunday, i stopped by a little boat-yard near where we put-in at. and that is where i had that most unexpected pleasure of getting my very first look at "White Squall". no, i was not prepared, and didn't have a camera, Bruce. but not to worry, i will next time. She is sitting on Her keel and under cover, and in nice condition to my eye. looks just like a Cal-28 in large-scale with 4 foot added to the stern. i had asked permission to come in and look-see from the man working on Her; He who i learned is Her Owner, "Roger Deets" (and i hope i spelled that right, but don't quot me please). a very affable Man indeed. but of course, it was all i could do to hold back my *dueling* while remaining somewhat intelligent sounding. all i really wanted to do was crawl though this mans boat and inspect every inch on my belly with a flash-light and tape measure. i remember Him starting to say the boats name when i said something like: Your Boat is Famous! is the sister to every Cal-28 flush-deck out there. everyone knows The White Squall. there are a bunch of people just waiting for high-rez picture's of any sort they can get of your boat. and please, oh please, can i come back and take them as your work progresses? i think i made a complete fool of my self in the first five minutes before i even asked to go below. and this is me, a person who never ever walks up to anyone or goes to meet someone on her own. this was just way too kool! but this part is for Mr. Bruce; when you stand up in the back of "Gangfurd", and look forward over your deck, do you remember how you feel, Bruce? i know how i felt the first time i stood in the stern of BB-54 and reached for the tiller to turn her out into the harbor with the engine at an idle. that was "My" deck. All of it! well, i stood in the same place on "White Squall" and looked forward; she's only got 8 more foot forward then you and i do. and then i looked aft; she's got 4 foot aft of her cock-pit where you and i got none, Bruce. but you know what. it still feels the same, Bruce! just the same...... that boat has the very same cock-pit as we do. now i did go below, and i did talk with Roger for a good bit. and i am going back very soon. and yes, reports will follow.... if anyone has questions, make a list with and number the questions please. then post it here. i will copy and ask them as best i can. if you want a picture of something in particle, make that a question. and i will do my best. *************************** also, in other news; i just got my brand-new "Buck Algonquin" $300 plus, 1.75" bronze rudder shaft stuffing gland-6" baring with mounting plate, today. cost to fiver = $35.00...... the world is bright...... fiver, Master of The "BB-54" one of the famous Cal-28 flush-decks out of Sierra-5, Papa Hotel (in days gone by) now hove-too, not 10' south of my front porch; in my Sister Karen's one acre back yard....... 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What is the difference? Flush deck, flat top, raised deck. It must look like an aircraft carrier from the cockpit. Based on my Cal 28 interior, White Squall's interior must be huge. See original Cal Boat profiles: http://www.stirlinglaw.com/cal28/caloriginals.jpg From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Joe DeMers Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 7:56 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL 40 Deck (was... A Boating Story) Looks like a raised deck, not a flush deck design. Joe DeMers Sound Marine Diesel LLC www.soundmarinediesel.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Terrence Spencer To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 8:37 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL 40 Deck (was... A Boating Story) Sorry we did not let them get a lot closer, given the demand for pictures. It was a race after all and they were picking on us with that big long waterline. It became a reach to the finish, but we held them off. Terry Spencer ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- From: "Bruce Stirling" <br… [at] stirlinglaw.com> Reply-To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 21:53:42 -0700 To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] CAL 40 Deck (was... A Boating Story) Thanks, again, Terry, for the White Squall photo. I took it into Photoshop and played around a bit. Here is another photo taken from the one you sent to the group. Bruce -----Original Message----- From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Terrence Spencer Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 7:23 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL 40 Deck (was... A Boating Story) Here is another photo, taken last winter at the Gov Teats Memorial. The race was named for White Squall’s long time owner. (Note that we are ahead and to windward on the Cal 33 Teaser. Terry Spencer Capriccio Cal 2-29 Tacoma ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- From: "Husar, Charlie" <hu… [at] bah.com> Reply-To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:51:41 -0400 To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] CAL 40 Deck (was... A Boating Story) Also my question, Marsh. Looks to be a lot of curvature, which helps. But I don't see any flying buttresses or anything. After all, this is a cathedral. Yeah, Fiver's right. It's a CAL 28 with too many windows. Here's another shot of the boat. Cheers Charlie ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Marsh Wise Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 8:34 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] A Boating Story...... (and then some) Here's my question... how do they support that huge flush deck? When you tak eyour pix, you need to lookee. Awesome! CooL! Wow! Touch it for me! :-) Best, Marsh fi… [at] aol.com wrote: well i guess if Bruce really wants to here about boating...... Now...... for something special; on the way home from boat Sunday, i stopped by a little boat-yard near where we put-in at. and that is where i had that most unexpected pleasure of getting my very first look at "White Squall". no, i was not prepared, and didn't have a camera, Bruce. but not to worry, i will next time. She is sitting on Her keel and under cover, and in nice condition to my eye. looks just like a Cal-28 in large-scale with 4 foot added to the stern. i had asked permission to come in and look-see from the man working on Her; He who i learned is Her Owner, "Roger Deets" (and i hope i spelled that right, but don't quot me please). a very affable Man indeed. but of course, it was all i could do to hold back my *dueling* while remaining somewhat intelligent sounding. all i really wanted to do was crawl though this mans boat and inspect every inch on my belly with a flash-light and tape measure. i remember Him starting to say the boats name when i said something like: Your Boat is Famous! is the sister to every Cal-28 flush-deck out there. everyone knows The White Squall. there are a bunch of people just waiting for high-rez picture's of any sort they can get of your boat. and please, oh please, can i come back and take them as your work progresses? i think i made a complete fool of my self in the first five minutes before i even asked to go below. and this is me, a person who never ever walks up to anyone or goes to meet someone on her own. this was just way too kool! but this part is for Mr. Bruce; when you stand up in the back of "Gangfurd", and look forward over your deck, do you remember how you feel, Bruce? i know how i felt the first time i stood in the stern of BB-54 and reached for the tiller to turn her out into the harbor with the engine at an idle. that was "My" deck. All of it! well, i stood in the same place on "White Squall" and looked forward; she's only got 8 more foot forward then you and i do. and then i looked aft; she's got 4 foot aft of her cock-pit where you and i got none, Bruce. but you know what. it still feels the same, Bruce! just the same...... that boat has the very same cock-pit as we do. now i did go below, and i did talk with Roger for a good bit. and i am going back very soon. and yes, reports will follow.... if anyone has questions, make a list with and number the questions please. then post it here. i will copy and ask them as best i can. if you want a picture of something in particle, make that a question. and i will do my best. *************************** also, in other news; i just got my brand-new "Buck Algonquin" $300 plus, 1.75" bronze rudder shaft stuffing gland-6" baring with mounting plate, today. cost to fiver = $35.00...... the world is bright...... fiver, Master of The "BB-54" one of the famous Cal-28 flush-decks out of Sierra-5, Papa Hotel (in days gone by) now hove-too, not 10' south of my front porch; in my Sister Karen's one acre back yard....... 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looks big in the pix Mike posted... Bruce Stirling wrote: > What is the difference? Flush deck, flat top, raised deck. It must > look like an aircraft carrier from the cockpit. Based on my Cal 28 > interior, White Squall's interior must be huge. See original Cal Boat > profiles: http://www.stirlinglaw.com/cal28/caloriginals.jpg > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On > Behalf Of Joe DeMers > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 7:56 AM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL 40 Deck (was... A Boating Story) > > Looks like a raised deck, not a flush deck design. > > Joe DeMers > Sound Marine Diesel LLC > www.soundmarinediesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com>

How were you able to hold off the larger Cal 40? Light air, better sails, better captain and crew? Fantastic Crew!!!..... ....Truthfully, it was a breezy, puffy day and constant sheet adjustment helped. We were in better current part of the time. Once we got ahead, we prevented them from rolling over us upwind. John Thompson, who owns Teaser II, the Cal 33 in question, has a whole lot of Puget Sound racing miles behind him. The ³crew² did an excellent job of preventing a single drop of valuable microbrew from being spilled, thank you very much.... Terry Spencer --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> , Terrence Spencer <tspencer@...> wrote: > > Sorry we did not let them get a lot closer, given the demand for pictures. > It was a race after all and they were picking on us with that big long > waterline. It became a reach to the finish, but we held them off. > > Terry Spencer > > >

Which Cal 40? From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Terrence Spencer Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 5:16 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL 40 Deck (was... A Boating Story) How were you able to hold off the larger Cal 40? Light air, better sails, better captain and crew? Fantastic Crew!!!..... ....Truthfully, it was a breezy, puffy day and constant sheet adjustment helped. We were in better current part of the time. Once we got ahead, we prevented them from rolling over us upwind. John Thompson, who owns Teaser II, the Cal 33 in question, has a whole lot of Puget Sound racing miles behind him. The "crew" did an excellent job of preventing a single drop of valuable microbrew from being spilled, thank you very much.... Terry Spencer --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> , Terrence Spencer <tspencer@...> wrote: > > Sorry we did not let them get a lot closer, given the demand for pictures. > It was a race after all and they were picking on us with that big long > waterline. It became a reach to the finish, but we held them off. > > Terry Spencer > > >

The only Cal 40 flush deck, White Squall. From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of ti… [at] ch2m.com Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 5:18 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL 40 Deck (was... A Boating Story) Which Cal 40? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Terrence Spencer Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 5:16 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL 40 Deck (was... A Boating Story) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- How were you able to hold off the larger Cal 40? Light air, better sails, better captain and crew? Fantastic Crew!!!..... ....Truthfully, it was a breezy, puffy day and constant sheet adjustment helped. We were in better current part of the time. Once we got ahead, we prevented them from rolling over us upwind. John Thompson, who owns Teaser II, the Cal 33 in question, has a whole lot of Puget Sound racing miles behind him. The "crew" did an excellent job of preventing a single drop of valuable microbrew from being spilled, thank you very much.... Terry Spencer --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> , Terrence Spencer <tspencer@...> wrote: > > Sorry we did not let them get a lot closer, given the demand for pictures. > It was a race after all and they were picking on us with that big long > waterline. It became a reach to the finish, but we held them off. > > Terry Spencer > > >

Any Cal 36 news on this list? Mike Robinson Holiday To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.comFrom: ti… [at] ch2m.comDate: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 18:18:12 -0600Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL 40 Deck (was... A Boating Story) Which Cal 40? From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Terrence SpencerSent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 5:16 PMTo: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL 40 Deck (was... A Boating Story) How were you able to hold off the larger Cal 40? Light air, better sails, better captain and crew? Fantastic Crew!!!.........Truthfully, it was a breezy, puffy day and constant sheet adjustment helped. We were in better current part of the time. Once we got ahead, we prevented them from rolling over us upwind. John Thompson, who owns Teaser II, the Cal 33 in question, has a whole lot of Puget Sound racing miles behind him. The “crew” did an excellent job of preventing a single drop of valuable microbrew from being spilled, thank you very much....Terry Spencer--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> , Terrence Spencer <tspencer@...> wrote:>> Sorry we did not let them get a lot closer, given the demand for pictures.> It was a race after all and they were picking on us with that big long> waterline. It became a reach to the finish, but we held them off.> > Terry Spencer> > > Explore the seven wonders of the world http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=7+wonders+world&mkt=en-US&form=QBRE

I just added "White Squall" to Wikipedia. Mike, Fin, Charlie, and others are encouraged to go there and edit the entry. Someone listed a Cal Yachts entry, too. Please feel free to edit anything I said. It's fun. I tried to enter "Gangfurd" right after I bought my boat, but they booted my entry off! Go to: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_squall#See_also> From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Bruce Stirling Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 5:28 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL 40 Deck (was... A Boating Story) The only Cal 40 flush deck, White Squall. From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of ti… [at] ch2m.com Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 5:18 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL 40 Deck (was... A Boating Story) Which Cal 40? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Terrence Spencer Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 5:16 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL 40 Deck (was... A Boating Story) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- How were you able to hold off the larger Cal 40? Light air, better sails, better captain and crew? Fantastic Crew!!!..... ....Truthfully, it was a breezy, puffy day and constant sheet adjustment helped. We were in better current part of the time. Once we got ahead, we prevented them from rolling over us upwind. John Thompson, who owns Teaser II, the Cal 33 in question, has a whole lot of Puget Sound racing miles behind him. The "crew" did an excellent job of preventing a single drop of valuable microbrew from being spilled, thank you very much.... Terry Spencer --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> , Terrence Spencer <tspencer@...> wrote: > > Sorry we did not let them get a lot closer, given the demand for pictures. > It was a race after all and they were picking on us with that big long > waterline. It became a reach to the finish, but we held them off. > > Terry Spencer > > >

Hey Terry, Holding off that Cal 40 twerrent nuthin'! I raced a Cal 46 with my olde Cal 24 with its patch work 10 year old cruising bottom and its original, 44 year old mainsail and went neck and neck with him in the 44 mile Channel Islands to Marina del Rey race in late June of 06, we parted company as we approached Marina del rey in 25 to 30 knots of beam wind (I saw 12.6 knots on my GPS while surfing at one point) and he beat me across the finish by only a few minutes. Sail trim, being in the right place at the same time, keeping your cool in heavy winds, and finessing the poled out, and using a well worn patched up 15 year old mylar genoa #2 off of a Santana 20 was the secret to my success. Seriously tho, you were up against better competition, I might guess, if the Cal 40 had a decent racing crew. Cal 40s on a reach are way fast. Jerry Bruce Stirling <br… [at] stirlinglaw.com> wrote: The only Cal 40 flush deck, White Squall. -----Original Message----- From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of ti… [at] ch2m.com Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 5:18 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL 40 Deck (was... A Boating Story) Which Cal 40? --------------------------------- From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Terrence Spencer Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 5:16 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL 40 Deck (was... A Boating Story) --------------------------------- How were you able to hold off the larger Cal 40? Light air, better sails, better captain and crew? Fantastic Crew!!!..... ....Truthfully, it was a breezy, puffy day and constant sheet adjustment helped. We were in better current part of the time. Once we got ahead, we prevented them from rolling over us upwind. John Thompson, who owns Teaser II, the Cal 33 in question, has a whole lot of Puget Sound racing miles behind him. The “crew” did an excellent job of preventing a single drop of valuable microbrew from being spilled, thank you very much.... Terry Spencer --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> , Terrence Spencer <tspencer@...> wrote: > > Sorry we did not let them get a lot closer, given the demand for pictures. > It was a race after all and they were picking on us with that big long > waterline. It became a reach to the finish, but we held them off. > > Terry Spencer > > >

Great job beating White Squall, she is a well sailed boat by Roger Dietz? She was very hard to beat (if ever) in the Swiftsure in the 90's. My hat is off to you and the crew. My favorite picture of her is the one where she's popping out of the wave, back in about 2000. We were along side her in about 35 knots, beating out to Cape Flattery. let the good times roll! dEmO From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gerald Sobel Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 6:05 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Racing big..and little..cals wasRe: CAL 40 Deck (Terry) Hey Terry, Holding off that Cal 40 twerrent nuthin'! I raced a Cal 46 with my olde Cal 24 with its patch work 10 year old cruising bottom and its original, 44 year old mainsail and went neck and neck with him in the 44 mile Channel Islands to Marina del Rey race in late June of 06, we parted company as we approached Marina del rey in 25 to 30 knots of beam wind (I saw 12.6 knots on my GPS while surfing at one point) and he beat me across the finish by only a few minutes. Sail trim, being in the right place at the same time, keeping your cool in heavy winds, and finessing the poled out, and using a well worn patched up 15 year old mylar genoa #2 off of a Santana 20 was the secret to my success. Seriously tho, you were up against better competition, I might guess, if the Cal 40 had a decent racing crew. Cal 40s on a reach are way fast. Jerry Bruce Stirling <br… [at] stirlinglaw.com> wrote: The only Cal 40 flush deck, White Squall. -----Original Message----- From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of ti… [at] ch2m.com Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 5:18 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL 40 Deck (was... A Boating Story) Which Cal 40? From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Terrence Spencer Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 5:16 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL 40 Deck (was... A Boating Story) How were you able to hold off the larger Cal 40? Light air, better sails, better captain and crew? Fantastic Crew!!!..... ....Truthfully, it was a breezy, puffy day and constant sheet adjustment helped. We were in better current part of the time. Once we got ahead, we prevented them from rolling over us upwind. John Thompson, who owns Teaser II, the Cal 33 in question, has a whole lot of Puget Sound racing miles behind him. The "crew" did an excellent job of preventing a single drop of valuable microbrew from being spilled, thank you very much.... Terry Spencer --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> , Terrence Spencer <tspencer@...> wrote: > > Sorry we did not let them get a lot closer, given the demand for pictures. > It was a race after all and they were picking on us with that big long > waterline. It became a reach to the finish, but we held them off. > > Terry Spencer > > >

You better Bet White Squall is huge!!! this bunny has stood at Her helm, and cast a knowing eye forward past Her bows. and i own one of Her older sister's, a cal-28; with witch to compare the experiance....... ****************************** --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Stirling" <bruce@...> wrote: > > What is the difference? Flush deck, flat top, raised deck. It must look > like an aircraft carrier from the cockpit. Based on my Cal 28 interior, > White Squall's interior must be huge. See original Cal Boat profiles: > http://www.stirlinglaw.com/cal28/caloriginals.jpg > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf > Of Joe DeMers > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 7:56 AM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL 40 Deck (was... A Boating Story) > > > > Looks like a raised deck, not a flush deck design. > > Joe DeMers > Sound Marine Diesel LLC > www.soundmarinediesel.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Terrence Spencer > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 8:37 AM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL 40 Deck (was... A Boating Story) > > > Sorry we did not let them get a lot closer, given the demand for pictures. > It was a race after all and they were picking on us with that big long > waterline. It became a reach to the finish, but we held them off. > > Terry Spencer > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- > -- > From: "Bruce Stirling" <bruce@...> > Reply-To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 21:53:42 -0700 > To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] CAL 40 Deck (was... A Boating Story) > > > > > > Thanks, again, Terry, for the White Squall photo. I took it into > Photoshop and played around a bit. Here is another photo taken from the one > you sent to the group. > > Bruce > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Terrence Spencer > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 7:23 PM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL 40 Deck (was... A Boating Story) > > Here is another photo, taken last winter at the Gov Teats Memorial. The > race was named for White Squall's long time owner. (Note that we are ahead > and to windward on the Cal 33 Teaser. > > Terry Spencer > Capriccio > Cal 2-29 > Tacoma > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- > -- > From: "Husar, Charlie" <husar_charlie@...> > Reply-To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:51:41 -0400 > To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [Cal_Boats] CAL 40 Deck (was... A Boating Story) > > > > > > Also my question, Marsh. Looks to be a lot of curvature, which helps. > But I don't see any flying buttresses or anything. After all, this is a > cathedral. > > Yeah, Fiver's right. It's a CAL 28 with too many windows. > > Here's another shot of the boat. > > Cheers > Charlie > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- > -- > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Marsh Wise > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 8:34 AM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] A Boating Story...... (and then some) > > Here's my question... how do they support that huge flush deck? When you > tak eyour pix, you need to lookee. Awesome! CooL! Wow! Touch it for me! :-) > Best, Marsh > > fiverhrairoo@... wrote: > > > well i guess if Bruce really wants to here about boating...... > > > > > > Now...... > > > > for something special; > > > > on the way home from boat Sunday, i stopped by a little > boat-yard near where we put-in at. and that is where i had that most > unexpected pleasure of getting my very first look at "White Squall". no, i > was not prepared, and didn't have a camera, Bruce. but not to worry, i > will next time. She is sitting on Her keel and under cover, and in nice > condition to my eye. looks just like a Cal-28 in large-scale with 4 foot > added to the stern. > > > > i had asked permission to come in and look-see from the man > working on Her; He who i learned is Her Owner, "Roger Deets" (and i hope i > spelled that right, but don't quot me please). a very affable Man indeed. > but of course, it was all i could do to hold back my *dueling* while > remaining somewhat intelligent sounding. all i really wanted to do was > crawl though this mans boat and inspect every inch on my belly with a > flash-light and tape measure. i remember Him starting to say the boats > name when i said something like: Your Boat is Famous! is the sister to > every Cal-28 flush-deck out there. everyone knows The White Squall. there > are a bunch of people just waiting for high-rez picture's of any sort they > can get of your boat. and please, oh please, can i come back and take them > as your work progresses? > > > > i think i made a complete fool of my self in the first five > minutes before i even asked to go below. and this is me, a person who > never ever walks up to anyone or goes to meet someone on her own. this was > just way too kool! > > > > but this part is for Mr. Bruce; > > when you stand up in the back of "Gangfurd", and look forward > over your deck, do you remember how you feel, Bruce? i know how i felt the > first time i stood in the stern of BB-54 and reached for the tiller to > turn her out into the harbor with the engine at an idle. that was "My" > deck. All of it! well, i stood in the same place on "White Squall" and > looked forward; she's only got 8 more foot forward then you and i do. and > then i looked aft; she's got 4 foot aft of her cock-pit where you and i > got none, Bruce. but you know what. it still feels the same, Bruce! just > the same...... that boat has the very same cock-pit as we do. > > > > now i did go below, and i did talk with Roger for a good bit. > and i am going back very soon. and yes, reports will follow.... if anyone > has questions, make a list with and number the questions please. then post > it here. i will copy and ask them as best i can. if you want a picture of > something in particle, make that a question. and i will do my best. > > > > *************************** > > > > also, in other news; > > i just got my brand-new "Buck Algonquin" $300 plus, 1.75" > bronze rudder shaft stuffing gland-6" baring with mounting plate, today. > cost to fiver = $35.00...... the world is bright...... > > > > > > > fiver, > Master of The "BB-54" > one of the famous Cal-28 flush-decks > out of Sierra-5, Papa Hotel (in days gone by) > now hove-too, not 10' south of my front porch; > in my Sister Karen's one acre back yard....... > > (built like a Battleship; sails like a Sub......) > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- > > > See what's new at AOL.com <http://www.aol.com? NCID=AOLCMP00300000001170> > and Make AOL Your Homepage > <http://www.aol.com/mksplash.adp?NCID=AOLCMP00300000001169> . > > -- > Marsh Wise > Webmaster: > -reenactor.Net: http://www.reenactor.net/ > -Foresthill.us: http://www.foresthill.us/ > -Legio IX Hispana Penna: http://www.reenactor.net/units/legio_ix_penna/ > - 17. Luftwaffe Feld-Division <http://www.reenactor.net/units/17lwfd/> > > Assistant Webmaster: > -VAQ-33 Squadron site: http://www.reenactor.net/vaq-33/ > > Proud Member (meaning I can just have fun...) > -LEGIO IX HISPANA COH III Penna Chapter: http://www.legio-ix- hispana.org/ > > Netscape Aim/AOL screen name: Sturmkatze > > Yahoo Messenger screen name: sturmkatze > > Alteris renumera duplum de quoquo tibi numeraverunt > > Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.... > But then I repeat myself. ~Mark Twain > > *Last: Hey Dammit! Have you visited the reenactor.Net FORvMS? If not, WHY > NOT? > Gett your butt over to: http://www.reenactor.net/forums/index.php right > now! > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- > -- > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1030 - Release Date: > 9/25/2007 8:02 AM >

Ellen was a part of the early CCCCC's. She seems to have changed her e-mail, as the ones I have sent her lately have failed. Does anyone have a current e-mail for Ellen ?? Thanks, Fin Beven ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce Stirling<mailto:br… [at] stirlinglaw.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 5:27 PM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL 40 Deck (was... A Boating Story) The only Cal 40 flush deck, White Squall. -----Original Message----- From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of ti… [at] ch2m.com<mailto:ti… [at] ch2m.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 5:18 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL 40 Deck (was... A Boating Story) Which Cal 40? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Terrence Spencer Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 5:16 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL 40 Deck (was... A Boating Story) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ How were you able to hold off the larger Cal 40? Light air, better sails, better captain and crew? Fantastic Crew!!!..... ....Truthfully, it was a breezy, puffy day and constant sheet adjustment helped. We were in better current part of the time. Once we got ahead, we prevented them from rolling over us upwind. John Thompson, who owns Teaser II, the Cal 33 in question, has a whole lot of Puget Sound racing miles behind him. The "crew" did an excellent job of preventing a single drop of valuable microbrew from being spilled, thank you very much.... Terry Spencer --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> , Terrence Spencer <tspencer@...> wrote: > > Sorry we did not let them get a lot closer, given the demand for pictures. > It was a race after all and they were picking on us with that big long > waterline. It became a reach to the finish, but we held them off. > > Terry Spencer > > >

As I understand it, a flush deck only slightly rises above the sheer line, due to deck camber. A raised deck vertically continues the above the sheer line before the horizontal deck surface begins. Since White Squall has ports in the deck above the sheer, she appears to be a raised deck design. Joe DeMers Sound Marine Diesel LLC www.soundmarinediesel.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce Stirling To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 11:11 AM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] CAL 40 Deck (was... A Boating Story) What is the difference? Flush deck, flat top, raised deck. It must look like an aircraft carrier from the cockpit. Based on my Cal 28 interior, White Squall's interior must be huge. See original Cal Boat profiles: http://www.stirlinglaw.com/cal28/caloriginals.jpg -----Original Message----- From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Joe DeMers Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 7:56 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL 40 Deck (was... A Boating Story) Looks like a raised deck, not a flush deck design. Joe DeMers Sound Marine Diesel LLC www.soundmarinediesel.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Terrence Spencer To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 8:37 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL 40 Deck (was... A Boating Story) Sorry we did not let them get a lot closer, given the demand for pictures. It was a race after all and they were picking on us with that big long waterline. It became a reach to the finish, but we held them off. Terry Spencer ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bruce Stirling" <br… [at] stirlinglaw.com> Reply-To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 21:53:42 -0700 To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] CAL 40 Deck (was... A Boating Story) Thanks, again, Terry, for the White Squall photo. I took it into Photoshop and played around a bit. Here is another photo taken from the one you sent to the group. Bruce -----Original Message----- From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Terrence Spencer Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 7:23 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL 40 Deck (was... A Boating Story) Here is another photo, taken last winter at the Gov Teats Memorial. The race was named for White Squall's long time owner. (Note that we are ahead and to windward on the Cal 33 Teaser. Terry Spencer Capriccio Cal 2-29 Tacoma ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Husar, Charlie" <hu… [at] bah.com> Reply-To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:51:41 -0400 To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] CAL 40 Deck (was... A Boating Story) Also my question, Marsh. Looks to be a lot of curvature, which helps. But I don't see any flying buttresses or anything. After all, this is a cathedral. Yeah, Fiver's right. It's a CAL 28 with too many windows. Here's another shot of the boat. Cheers Charlie ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Marsh Wise Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 8:34 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] A Boating Story...... (and then some) Here's my question... how do they support that huge flush deck? When you tak eyour pix, you need to lookee. Awesome! CooL! Wow! Touch it for me! :-) Best, Marsh fi… [at] aol.com wrote: well i guess if Bruce really wants to here about boating...... Now...... for something special; on the way home from boat Sunday, i stopped by a little boat-yard near where we put-in at. and that is where i had that most unexpected pleasure of getting my very first look at "White Squall". no, i was not prepared, and didn't have a camera, Bruce. but not to worry, i will next time. She is sitting on Her keel and under cover, and in nice condition to my eye. looks just like a Cal-28 in large-scale with 4 foot added to the stern. i had asked permission to come in and look-see from the man working on Her; He who i learned is Her Owner, "Roger Deets" (and i hope i spelled that right, but don't quot me please). a very affable Man indeed. but of course, it was all i could do to hold back my *dueling* while remaining somewhat intelligent sounding. all i really wanted to do was crawl though this mans boat and inspect every inch on my belly with a flash-light and tape measure. i remember Him starting to say the boats name when i said something like: Your Boat is Famous! is the sister to every Cal-28 flush-deck out there. everyone knows The White Squall. there are a bunch of people just waiting for high-rez picture's of any sort they can get of your boat. and please, oh please, can i come back and take them as your work progresses? i think i made a complete fool of my self in the first five minutes before i even asked to go below. and this is me, a person who never ever walks up to anyone or goes to meet someone on her own. this was just way too kool! but this part is for Mr. Bruce; when you stand up in the back of "Gangfurd", and look forward over your deck, do you remember how you feel, Bruce? i know how i felt the first time i stood in the stern of BB-54 and reached for the tiller to turn her out into the harbor with the engine at an idle. that was "My" deck. All of it! well, i stood in the same place on "White Squall" and looked forward; she's only got 8 more foot forward then you and i do. and then i looked aft; she's got 4 foot aft of her cock-pit where you and i got none, Bruce. but you know what. it still feels the same, Bruce! just the same...... that boat has the very same cock-pit as we do. now i did go below, and i did talk with Roger for a good bit. and i am going back very soon. and yes, reports will follow.... if anyone has questions, make a list with and number the questions please. then post it here. i will copy and ask them as best i can. if you want a picture of something in particle, make that a question. and i will do my best. *************************** also, in other news; i just got my brand-new "Buck Algonquin" $300 plus, 1.75" bronze rudder shaft stuffing gland-6" baring with mounting plate, today. cost to fiver = $35.00...... the world is bright...... fiver, Master of The "BB-54" one of the famous Cal-28 flush-decks out of Sierra-5, Papa Hotel (in days gone by) now hove-too, not 10' south of my front porch; in my Sister Karen's one acre back yard....... 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Sounds like she's a raised deck then. I note that for all of the extra length, she's only got one more port than I do! From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Joe DeMers Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 4:19 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL 40 Deck (was... A Boating Story) As I understand it, a flush deck only slightly rises above the sheer line, due to deck camber. A raised deck vertically continues the above the sheer line before the horizontal deck surface begins. Since White Squall has ports in the deck above the sheer, she appears to be a raised deck design. Joe DeMers Sound Marine Diesel LLC www.soundmarinediesel.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce Stirling To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 11:11 AM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] CAL 40 Deck (was... A Boating Story) What is the difference? Flush deck, flat top, raised deck. It must look like an aircraft carrier from the cockpit. Based on my Cal 28 interior, White Squall's interior must be huge. See original Cal Boat profiles: http://www.stirlinglaw.com/cal28/caloriginals.jpg -----Original Message----- From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Joe DeMers Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 7:56 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL 40 Deck (was... A Boating Story) Looks like a raised deck, not a flush deck design. Joe DeMers Sound Marine Diesel LLC www.soundmarinediesel.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Terrence Spencer To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 8:37 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL 40 Deck (was... A Boating Story) Sorry we did not let them get a lot closer, given the demand for pictures. It was a race after all and they were picking on us with that big long waterline. It became a reach to the finish, but we held them off. Terry Spencer ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bruce Stirling" <br… [at] stirlinglaw.com> Reply-To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 21:53:42 -0700 To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] CAL 40 Deck (was... A Boating Story) Thanks, again, Terry, for the White Squall photo. I took it into Photoshop and played around a bit. Here is another photo taken from the one you sent to the group. Bruce -----Original Message----- From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Terrence Spencer Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 7:23 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL 40 Deck (was... A Boating Story) Here is another photo, taken last winter at the Gov Teats Memorial. The race was named for White Squall’s long time owner. (Note that we are ahead and to windward on the Cal 33 Teaser. Terry Spencer Capriccio Cal 2-29 Tacoma ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Husar, Charlie" <hu… [at] bah.com> Reply-To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:51:41 -0400 To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] CAL 40 Deck (was... A Boating Story) Also my question, Marsh. Looks to be a lot of curvature, which helps. But I don't see any flying buttresses or anything. After all, this is a cathedral. Yeah, Fiver's right. It's a CAL 28 with too many windows. Here's another shot of the boat. Cheers Charlie ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Marsh Wise Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 8:34 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] A Boating Story...... (and then some) Here's my question... how do they support that huge flush deck? When you tak eyour pix, you need to lookee. Awesome! CooL! Wow! Touch it for me! :-) Best, Marsh fi… [at] aol.com wrote: well i guess if Bruce really wants to here about boating...... Now...... for something special; on the way home from boat Sunday, i stopped by a little boat-yard near where we put-in at. and that is where i had that most unexpected pleasure of getting my very first look at "White Squall". no, i was not prepared, and didn't have a camera, Bruce. but not to worry, i will next time. She is sitting on Her keel and under cover, and in nice condition to my eye. looks just like a Cal-28 in large-scale with 4 foot added to the stern. i had asked permission to come in and look-see from the man working on Her; He who i learned is Her Owner, "Roger Deets" (and i hope i spelled that right, but don't quot me please). a very affable Man indeed. but of course, it was all i could do to hold back my *dueling* while remaining somewhat intelligent sounding. all i really wanted to do was crawl though this mans boat and inspect every inch on my belly with a flash-light and tape measure. i remember Him starting to say the boats name when i said something like: Your Boat is Famous! is the sister to every Cal-28 flush-deck out there. everyone knows The White Squall. there are a bunch of people just waiting for high-rez picture's of any sort they can get of your boat. and please, oh please, can i come back and take them as your work progresses? i think i made a complete fool of my self in the first five minutes before i even asked to go below. and this is me, a person who never ever walks up to anyone or goes to meet someone on her own. this was just way too kool! but this part is for Mr. Bruce; when you stand up in the back of "Gangfurd", and look forward over your deck, do you remember how you feel, Bruce? i know how i felt the first time i stood in the stern of BB-54 and reached for the tiller to turn her out into the harbor with the engine at an idle. that was "My" deck. All of it! well, i stood in the same place on "White Squall" and looked forward; she's only got 8 more foot forward then you and i do. and then i looked aft; she's got 4 foot aft of her cock-pit where you and i got none, Bruce. but you know what. it still feels the same, Bruce! just the same...... that boat has the very same cock-pit as we do. now i did go below, and i did talk with Roger for a good bit. and i am going back very soon. and yes, reports will follow.... if anyone has questions, make a list with and number the questions please. then post it here. i will copy and ask them as best i can. if you want a picture of something in particle, make that a question. and i will do my best. *************************** also, in other news; i just got my brand-new "Buck Algonquin" $300 plus, 1.75" bronze rudder shaft stuffing gland-6" baring with mounting plate, today. cost to fiver = $35.00...... the world is bright...... fiver, Master of The "BB-54" one of the famous Cal-28 flush-decks out of Sierra-5, Papa Hotel (in days gone by) now hove-too, not 10' south of my front porch; in my Sister Karen's one acre back yard....... 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__,_._ Had a dream I was taking on Squall, and that I pulled between Squall and Demo in about 35 knots. Of course, I never reefed and I was flying the big genoa. What a ride! ,__ Are these the eight foot forward and the four feet aft you described, Fiver? _

Hi, Joe. How you been? You are absolutely right in the definition. We just call the 20s, 25s, and 28s (plus a single 40) Flat Decks so they don't get confused with T/2s. : - ] Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joe DeMers Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 7:19 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL 40 Deck (was... A Boating Story) As I understand it, a flush deck only slightly rises above the sheer line, due to deck camber. A raised deck vertically continues the above the sheer line before the horizontal deck surface begins. Since White Squall has ports in the deck above the sheer, she appears to be a raised deck design. Joe DeMers Sound Marine Diesel LLC www.soundmarinediesel.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce Stirling <mailto:br… [at] stirlinglaw.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 11:11 AM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] CAL 40 Deck (was... A Boating Story) What is the difference? Flush deck, flat top, raised deck. It must look like an aircraft carrier from the cockpit. Based on my Cal 28 interior, White Squall's interior must be huge. See original Cal Boat profiles: http://www.stirlinglaw.com/cal28/caloriginals.jpg -----Original Message----- From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Joe DeMers Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 7:56 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL 40 Deck (was... A Boating Story) Looks like a raised deck, not a flush deck design. Joe DeMers Sound Marine Diesel LLC www.soundmarinediesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: Terrence Spencer <mailto:ts… [at] harbornet.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 8:37 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL 40 Deck (was... A Boating Story) Sorry we did not let them get a lot closer, given the demand for pictures. It was a race after all and they were picking on us with that big long waterline. It became a reach to the finish, but we held them off. Terry Spencer From: "Bruce Stirling" <br… [at] stirlinglaw.com <mailto:br… [at] stirlinglaw.com> > Reply-To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 21:53:42 -0700 To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] CAL 40 Deck (was... A Boating Story) Thanks, again, Terry, for the White Squall photo. I took it into Photoshop and played around a bit. Here is another photo taken from the one you sent to the group. Bruce -----Original Message----- From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]> On Behalf Of Terrence Spencer Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 7:23 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL 40 Deck (was... A Boating Story) Here is another photo, taken last winter at the Gov Teats Memorial. The race was named for White Squall's long time owner. (Note that we are ahead and to windward on the Cal 33 Teaser. Terry Spencer Capriccio Cal 2-29 Tacoma From: "Husar, Charlie" <hu… [at] bah.com> Reply-To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:51:41 -0400 To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] CAL 40 Deck (was... A Boating Story) Also my question, Marsh. Looks to be a lot of curvature, which helps. But I don't see any flying buttresses or anything. After all, this is a cathedral. Yeah, Fiver's right. It's a CAL 28 with too many windows. Here's another shot of the boat. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]> On Behalf Of Marsh Wise Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 8:34 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] A Boating Story...... (and then some) Here's my question... how do they support that huge flush deck? When you tak eyour pix, you need to lookee. Awesome! CooL! Wow! Touch it for me! :-) Best, Marsh fi… [at] aol.com wrote: well i guess if Bruce really wants to here about boating...... Now...... for something special; on the way home from boat Sunday, i stopped by a little boat-yard near where we put-in at. and that is where i had that most unexpected pleasure of getting my very first look at "White Squall". no, i was not prepared, and didn't have a camera, Bruce. but not to worry, i will next time. She is sitting on Her keel and under cover, and in nice condition to my eye. looks just like a Cal-28 in large-scale with 4 foot added to the stern. i had asked permission to come in and look-see from the man working on Her; He who i learned is Her Owner, "Roger Deets" (and i hope i spelled that right, but don't quot me please). a very affable Man indeed. but of course, it was all i could do to hold back my *dueling* while remaining somewhat intelligent sounding. all i really wanted to do was crawl though this mans boat and inspect every inch on my belly with a flash-light and tape measure. i remember Him starting to say the boats name when i said something like: Your Boat is Famous! is the sister to every Cal-28 flush-deck out there. everyone knows The White Squall. there are a bunch of people just waiting for high-rez picture's of any sort they can get of your boat. and please, oh please, can i come back and take them as your work progresses? i think i made a complete fool of my self in the first five minutes before i even asked to go below. and this is me, a person who never ever walks up to anyone or goes to meet someone on her own. this was just way too kool! but this part is for Mr. Bruce; when you stand up in the back of "Gangfurd", and look forward over your deck, do you remember how you feel, Bruce? i know how i felt the first time i stood in the stern of BB-54 and reached for the tiller to turn her out into the harbor with the engine at an idle. that was "My" deck. All of it! well, i stood in the same place on "White Squall" and looked forward; she's only got 8 more foot forward then you and i do. and then i looked aft; she's got 4 foot aft of her cock-pit where you and i got none, Bruce. but you know what. it still feels the same, Bruce! just the same...... that boat has the very same cock-pit as we do. now i did go below, and i did talk with Roger for a good bit. and i am going back very soon. and yes, reports will follow.... if anyone has questions, make a list with and number the questions please. then post it here. i will copy and ask them as best i can. if you want a picture of something in particle, make that a question. and i will do my best. *************************** also, in other news; i just got my brand-new "Buck Algonquin" $300 plus, 1.75" bronze rudder shaft stuffing gland-6" baring with mounting plate, today. cost to fiver = $35.00...... the world is bright...... fiver, Master of The "BB-54" one of the famous Cal-28 flush-decks out of Sierra-5, Papa Hotel (in days gone by) now hove-too, not 10' south of my front porch; in my Sister Karen's one acre back yard....... 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Flat decks as apposed to flat tops? I can see, if you called them flat tops, you'd have to move the mast over to starboard so that small military aircraft could land on them. Jerry "Husar, Charlie" <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote: Hi, Joe. How you been? You are absolutely right in the definition. We just call the 20s, 25s, and 28s (plus a single 40) Flat Decks so they don't get confused with T/2s. : - ] Flat decks....... as apposed to flat tops? I can see, if you called them flat tops, you'd have to move the mast over to starboard so that small military aircraft could land on them. Jerry --------------------------------- From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joe DeMers Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 7:19 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL 40 Deck (was... A Boating Story) As I understand it, a flush deck only slightly rises above the sheer line, due to deck camber. A raised deck vertically continues the above the sheer line before the horizontal deck surface begins. Since White Squall has ports in the deck above the sheer, she appears to be a raised deck design. Joe DeMers Sound Marine Diesel LLC www.soundmarinediesel.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce Stirling To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 11:11 AM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] CAL 40 Deck (was... A Boating Story) What is the difference? Flush deck, flat top, raised deck. It must look like an aircraft carrier from the cockpit. Based on my Cal 28 interior, White Squall's interior must be huge. See original Cal Boat profiles: http://www.stirlinglaw.com/cal28/caloriginals.jpg -----Original Message----- From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Joe DeMers Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 7:56 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL 40 Deck (was... A Boating Story) Looks like a raised deck, not a flush deck design. Joe DeMers Sound Marine Diesel LLC www.soundmarinediesel.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Terrence Spencer To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 8:37 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL 40 Deck (was... A Boating Story) Sorry we did not let them get a lot closer, given the demand for pictures. It was a race after all and they were picking on us with that big long waterline. It became a reach to the finish, but we held them off. Terry Spencer --------------------------------- From: "Bruce Stirling" <br… [at] stirlinglaw.com> Reply-To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 21:53:42 -0700 To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] CAL 40 Deck (was... A Boating Story) Thanks, again, Terry, for the White Squall photo. I took it into Photoshop and played around a bit. Here is another photo taken from the one you sent to the group. Bruce -----Original Message----- From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Terrence Spencer Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 7:23 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL 40 Deck (was... A Boating Story) Here is another photo, taken last winter at the Gov Teats Memorial. The race was named for White Squall’s long time owner. (Note that we are ahead and to windward on the Cal 33 Teaser. Terry Spencer Capriccio Cal 2-29 Tacoma --------------------------------- From: "Husar, Charlie" <hu… [at] bah.com> Reply-To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:51:41 -0400 To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] CAL 40 Deck (was... A Boating Story) Also my question, Marsh. Looks to be a lot of curvature, which helps. But I don't see any flying buttresses or anything. After all, this is a cathedral. Yeah, Fiver's right. It's a CAL 28 with too many windows. Here's another shot of the boat. Cheers Charlie --------------------------------- From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Marsh Wise Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 8:34 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] A Boating Story...... (and then some) Here's my question... how do they support that huge flush deck? When you tak eyour pix, you need to lookee. Awesome! CooL! Wow! Touch it for me! :-) Best, Marsh fi… [at] aol.com wrote: well i guess if Bruce really wants to here about boating...... Now...... for something special; on the way home from boat Sunday, i stopped by a little boat-yard near where we put-in at. and that is where i had that most unexpected pleasure of getting my very first look at "White Squall". no, i was not prepared, and didn't have a camera, Bruce. but not to worry, i will next time. She is sitting on Her keel and under cover, and in nice condition to my eye. looks just like a Cal-28 in large-scale with 4 foot added to the stern. i had asked permission to come in and look-see from the man working on Her; He who i learned is Her Owner, "Roger Deets" (and i hope i spelled that right, but don't quot me please). a very affable Man indeed. but of course, it was all i could do to hold back my *dueling* while remaining somewhat intelligent sounding. all i really wanted to do was crawl though this mans boat and inspect every inch on my belly with a flash-light and tape measure. i remember Him starting to say the boats name when i said something like: Your Boat is Famous! is the sister to every Cal-28 flush-deck out there. everyone knows The White Squall. there are a bunch of people just waiting for high-rez picture's of any sort they can get of your boat. and please, oh please, can i come back and take them as your work progresses? i think i made a complete fool of my self in the first five minutes before i even asked to go below. and this is me, a person who never ever walks up to anyone or goes to meet someone on her own. this was just way too kool! but this part is for Mr. Bruce; when you stand up in the back of "Gangfurd", and look forward over your deck, do you remember how you feel, Bruce? i know how i felt the first time i stood in the stern of BB-54 and reached for the tiller to turn her out into the harbor with the engine at an idle. that was "My" deck. All of it! well, i stood in the same place on "White Squall" and looked forward; she's only got 8 more foot forward then you and i do. and then i looked aft; she's got 4 foot aft of her cock-pit where you and i got none, Bruce. but you know what. it still feels the same, Bruce! just the same...... that boat has the very same cock-pit as we do. now i did go below, and i did talk with Roger for a good bit. and i am going back very soon. and yes, reports will follow.... if anyone has questions, make a list with and number the questions please. then post it here. i will copy and ask them as best i can. if you want a picture of something in particle, make that a question. and i will do my best. *************************** also, in other news; i just got my brand-new "Buck Algonquin" $300 plus, 1.75" bronze rudder shaft stuffing gland-6" baring with mounting plate, today. cost to fiver = $35.00...... the world is bright...... fiver, Master of The "BB-54" one of the famous Cal-28 flush-decks out of Sierra-5, Papa Hotel (in days gone by) now hove-too, not 10' south of my front porch; in my Sister Karen's one acre back yard....... 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nobody confuses the T/2 with anything except a PT boat with a mast! Reggie (almost as fast, too?) >From: "Husar, Charlie" <hu… [at] bah.com> >Reply-To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> >Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] CAL 40 Deck (was... A Boating Story) >Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 20:18:13 -0400 > >Hi, Joe. How you been? You are absolutely right in the definition. We >just call the 20s, 25s, and 28s (plus a single 40) Flat Decks so they >don't get confused with T/2s. : - ] > >Cheers >Charlie > >________________________________ > >From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On >Behalf Of Joe DeMers >Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 7:19 AM >To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL 40 Deck (was... A Boating Story) > > >As I understand it, a flush deck only slightly rises above the sheer >line, due to deck camber. A raised deck vertically continues the above >the sheer line before the horizontal deck surface begins. Since White >Squall has ports in the deck above the sheer, she appears to be a raised >deck design. > >Joe DeMers >Sound Marine Diesel LLC >www.soundmarinediesel.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bruce Stirling <mailto:br… [at] stirlinglaw.com> > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 11:11 AM > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] CAL 40 Deck (was... A Boating Story) > > What is the difference? Flush deck, flat top, raised deck. It >must look like an aircraft carrier from the cockpit. Based on my Cal 28 >interior, White Squall's interior must be huge. See original Cal Boat >profiles: http://www.stirlinglaw.com/cal28/caloriginals.jpg > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >[mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Joe DeMers > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 7:56 AM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL 40 Deck (was... A Boating Story) > > > > > Looks like a raised deck, not a flush deck design. > > Joe DeMers > Sound Marine Diesel LLC > www.soundmarinediesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Terrence Spencer <mailto:ts… [at] harbornet.com> > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com ><mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 8:37 AM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL 40 Deck (was... A Boating >Story) > > Sorry we did not let them get a lot closer, given the >demand for pictures. It was a race after all and they were picking on >us with that big long waterline. It became a reach to the finish, but >we held them off. > > Terry Spencer > > >________________________________ > > From: "Bruce Stirling" <br… [at] stirlinglaw.com ><mailto:br… [at] stirlinglaw.com> > > Reply-To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com ><mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 21:53:42 -0700 > To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] CAL 40 Deck (was... A Boating >Story) > > > > > > Thanks, again, Terry, for the White Squall photo. I >took it into Photoshop and played around a bit. Here is another photo >taken from the one you sent to the group. > > Bruce > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >[mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]> >On Behalf Of Terrence Spencer > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 7:23 PM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL 40 Deck (was... A Boating >Story) > > Here is another photo, taken last winter at the Gov >Teats Memorial. The race was named for White Squall's long time owner. >(Note that we are ahead and to windward on the Cal 33 Teaser. > > Terry Spencer > Capriccio > Cal 2-29 > Tacoma > > >________________________________ > > From: "Husar, Charlie" <hu… [at] bah.com> > Reply-To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:51:41 -0400 > To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [Cal_Boats] CAL 40 Deck (was... A Boating >Story) > > > > > > Also my question, Marsh. Looks to be a lot of >curvature, which helps. But I don't see any flying buttresses or >anything. After all, this is a cathedral. > > Yeah, Fiver's right. It's a CAL 28 with too many >windows. > > Here's another shot of the boat. > > Cheers > Charlie > > > >________________________________ > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >[mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]> >On Behalf Of Marsh Wise > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 8:34 AM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] A Boating Story...... (and then >some) > > Here's my question... how do they support that huge >flush deck? When you tak eyour pix, you need to lookee. Awesome! CooL! >Wow! Touch it for me! :-) > Best, Marsh > > fi… [at] aol.com wrote: > > > > well i guess if Bruce really wants to here >about boating...... > > > > > > Now...... > > > > for something special; > > > > on the way home from boat Sunday, i >stopped by a little boat-yard near where we put-in at. and that is >where i had that most unexpected pleasure of getting my very first >look at "White Squall". no, i was not prepared, and didn't have a >camera, Bruce. but not to worry, i will next time. She is sitting on >Her keel and under cover, and in nice condition to my eye. looks just >like a Cal-28 in large-scale with 4 foot added to the stern. > > > > i had asked permission to come in and >look-see from the man working on Her; He who i learned is Her Owner, >"Roger Deets" (and i hope i spelled that right, but don't quot me >please). a very affable Man indeed. but of course, it was all i could >do to hold back my *dueling* while remaining somewhat intelligent >sounding. all i really wanted to do was crawl though this mans boat >and inspect every inch on my belly with a flash-light and tape >measure. i remember Him starting to say the boats name when i said >something like: Your Boat is Famous! is the sister to every Cal-28 >flush-deck out there. everyone knows The White Squall. there are a >bunch of people just waiting for high-rez picture's of any sort they >can get of your boat. and please, oh please, can i come back and take >them as your work progresses? > > > > i think i made a complete fool of my self >in the first five minutes before i even asked to go below. and this is >me, a person who never ever walks up to anyone or goes to meet someone >on her own. this was just way too kool! > > > > but this part is for Mr. Bruce; > > when you stand up in the back of >"Gangfurd", and look forward over your deck, do you remember how you >feel, Bruce? i know how i felt the first time i stood in the stern of >BB-54 and reached for the tiller to turn her out into the harbor with >the engine at an idle. that was "My" deck. All of it! well, i stood in >the same place on "White Squall" and looked forward; she's only got 8 >more foot forward then you and i do. and then i looked aft; she's got >4 foot aft of her cock-pit where you and i got none, Bruce. but you >know what. it still feels the same, Bruce! just the same...... that >boat has the very same cock-pit as we do. > > > > now i did go below, and i did talk with >Roger for a good bit. and i am going back very soon. and yes, reports >will follow.... if anyone has questions, make a list with and number >the questions please. then post it here. i will copy and ask them as >best i can. if you want a picture of something in particle, make that >a question. and i will do my best. > > > > *************************** > > > > also, in other news; > > i just got my brand-new "Buck >Algonquin" $300 plus, 1.75" bronze rudder shaft stuffing gland-6" >baring with mounting plate, today. cost to fiver = $35.00...... the >world is bright...... > > > > > > > fiver, > Master of The "BB-54" > one of the famous Cal-28 flush-decks > out of Sierra-5, Papa Hotel (in days gone by) > now hove-too, not 10' south of my front porch; > in my Sister Karen's one acre back yard....... > > (built like a Battleship; sails like a >Sub......) > > > > > > > >________________________________ > > > > See what's new at AOL.com ><http://www.aol.com?NCID=AOLCMP00300000001170> ><http://www.aol.com?NCID=AOLCMP00300000001170> and Make AOL Your >Homepage <http://www.aol.com/mksplash.adp?NCID=AOLCMP00300000001169> ><http://www.aol.com/mksplash.adp?NCID=AOLCMP00300000001169> . > > -- > Marsh Wise > Webmaster: > -reenactor.Net: http://www.reenactor.net/ ><http://www.reenactor.net/> > -Foresthill.us: http://www.foresthill.us/ ><http://www.foresthill.us/> > -Legio IX Hispana Penna: >http://www.reenactor.net/units/legio_ix_penna/ ><http://www.reenactor.net/units/legio_ix_penna/> > - 17. 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There was a nice photo in this morning's paper of a Cal 25 out sailing on the bay. I didn't recognize the sail number: 97839. A list member? Anyhow, it was nice to see the photo, they just said it was someone out enjoying a sail. http://eedition.uniontrib.com/Default.aspx?selpg=52&selDt=12/11/2007&BMode=100

Michael and I have sailed our Cal~25 and Cal~27 around the Desert Princess on Lake Mead many times. Most recently on B Natural, the Cal~27, this past Sunday in the Nevada Yacht Club "Frostbite" race. The 'bathtub ring" along the hills is the high water mark, showing how far the water level has dropped. Regards, Beth "Elwers, George A." <ge… [at] saic.com> wrote: There was a nice photo in this morning's paper of a Cal 25 out sailing on the bay. I didn't recognize the sail number: 97839. A list member? Anyhow, it was nice to see the photo, they just said it was someone out enjoying a sail. http://eedition.uniontrib.com/Default.aspx?selpg=52&selDt=12/11/2007&BMode=100 Beth Beth Clark As always, Blue Water Bound --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.

Elwers, George A. wrote: > > There was a nice photo in this morning's paper of a Cal 25 out sailing > on the bay. I didn't recognize the sail number: 97839. A list member? > > Anyhow, it was nice to see the photo, they just said it was someone > out enjoying a sail. > > http://eedition.uniontrib.com/Default.aspx?selpg=52&selDt=12/11/2007&BMode=100 > <http://eedition.uniontrib.com/Default.aspx?selpg=52&selDt=12/11/2007&BMode=100> > Er, George, that looks like a steamboat to me.... Chris Campbell > > >

Appalling! There are no CAL 25s listed in PHRF San Diego, and only 6 CALs overall. Cheers Anyway Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Beth Clark Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 1:41 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] San Diego Union-Tribune Michael and I have sailed our Cal~25 and Cal~27 around the Desert Princess on Lake Mead many times. Most recently on B Natural, the Cal~27, this past Sunday in the Nevada Yacht Club "Frostbite" race. The 'bathtub ring" along the hills is the high water mark, showing how far the water level has dropped. Regards, Beth "Elwers, George A." <ge… [at] saic.com> wrote: There was a nice photo in this morning's paper of a Cal 25 out sailing on the bay. I didn't recognize the sail number: 97839. A list member? Anyhow, it was nice to see the photo, they just said it was someone out enjoying a sail. http://eedition.uniontrib.com/Default.aspx?selpg=52&selDt=12/11/2007&BMo de=100 <http://eedition.uniontrib.com/Default.aspx?selpg=52&selDt=12/11/2007&BM ode=100> Beth Beth Clark As always, Blue Water Bound Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=51733/*http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i6 2sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ>

Go to Page B2, Chris. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Campbell Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 1:42 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] San Diego Union-Tribune Elwers, George A. wrote: There was a nice photo in this morning's paper of a Cal 25 out sailing on the bay. I didn't recognize the sail number: 97839. A list member? Anyhow, it was nice to see the photo, they just said it was someone out enjoying a sail. http://eedition.uniontrib.com/Default.aspx?selpg=52&selDt=12/11/2007&BMo de=100 <http://eedition.uniontrib.com/Default.aspx?selpg=52&selDt=12/11/2007&BM ode=100> Er, George, that looks like a steamboat to me.... Chris Campbell

Husar, Charlie [USA] wrote: > > Go to Page B2, Chris. Found it. That one looks like a Cal 25, all right. Gasoline power hanging on the transom. Chris > > Cheers > Charlie > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] > *On Behalf Of *Chris Campbell > *Sent:* Tuesday, December 11, 2007 1:42 PM > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] San Diego Union-Tribune > > Elwers, George A. wrote: >> >> There was a nice photo in this morning's paper of a Cal 25 out >> sailing on the bay. I didn't recognize the sail number: 97839. A list >> member? >> >> Anyhow, it was nice to see the photo, they just said it was someone >> out enjoying a sail. >> >> http://eedition.uniontrib.com/Default.aspx?selpg=52&selDt=12/11/2007&BMode=100 >> <http://eedition.uniontrib.com/Default.aspx?selpg=52&selDt=12/11/2007&BMode=100> >> > > > > > > > > > > > Er, George, that looks like a steamboat to me.... > > Chris Campbell >> >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.0/1180 - Release Date: 12/10/2007 2:51 PM >

My fault. I didn't realize the link would take you to the front page. Good detective work, Charlie! It was nice to see the paper recognizing what we talk about on this list all the time, that boats are just fun to sail around in, and our old Cals are at least as good for that as the glamorous big modern boats. OK, so I'm reading a lot into a photo and caption. Oops, fire drill..... From: sentto-16485695-9773-1197399199-george.a.elwers=sa… [at] returns.groups.yahoo.com on behalf of Chris Campbell Sent: Tue 12/11/2007 10:53 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] San Diego Union-Tribune (Chris) Husar, Charlie [USA] wrote: Go to Page B2, Chris. Found it. That one looks like a Cal 25, all right. Gasoline power hanging on the transom. Chris Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Campbell Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 1:42 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] San Diego Union-Tribune Elwers, George A. wrote: There was a nice photo in this morning's paper of a Cal 25 out sailing on the bay. I didn't recognize the sail number: 97839. A list member? Anyhow, it was nice to see the photo, they just said it was someone out enjoying a sail. http://eedition.uniontrib.com/Default.aspx?selpg=52&selDt=12/11/2007&BMode=100 <http://eedition.uniontrib.com/Default.aspx?selpg=52&selDt=12/11/2007&BMode=100> Er, George, that looks like a steamboat to me.... Chris Campbell No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.0/1180 - Release Date: 12/10/2007 2:51 PM

Elwers, George A. wrote: > > > It was nice to see the paper recognizing what we talk about on this > list all the time, that boats are just fun to sail around in, and our > old Cals are at least as good for that as the glamorous big modern boats. > Yup. Too bad they didn't add a price range for Cal 25s so the reading public wouldn't write off the guy out having fun as just another rich, idle yachtsman. The point is that it's fun, it's challenging (mentally and sometimes physically), and it can be done on the cheap (relatively). A lot of the people who complain about the expense of boating are the ones who are buying new cars regularly and paying vast sums in depreciation and interest, or maintaining lawns the size of football fields. I'd rather be sailing.... Chris Campbell

Hey Fred! does it ever look like that picture of the Cal-25 in the *Trbune* up here in The Sound? i would have-to get a bikini, shades and a deck- chair if that's all the better sailing we had around here. either that or move to the south-china sea...... :)(: ******************************** --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Chris Campbell <clcampbell@...> wrote: > > Elwers, George A. wrote: > > > > > > It was nice to see the paper recognizing what we talk about on this > > list all the time, that boats are just fun to sail around in, and our > > old Cals are at least as good for that as the glamorous big modern boats. > > > > > > > > > Yup. Too bad they didn't add a price range for Cal 25s so the reading > public wouldn't write off the guy out having fun as just another rich, > idle yachtsman. The point is that it's fun, it's challenging (mentally > and sometimes physically), and it can be done on the cheap > (relatively). A lot of the people who complain about the expense of > boating are the ones who are buying new cars regularly and paying vast > sums in depreciation and interest, or maintaining lawns the size of > football fields. I'd rather be sailing.... > > Chris Campbell >