carbon-fiber -V- lipo-suction

what the hell does a Carbon Fiber Mast cost...... and do you Guys simply think that your going to "Pop-out" that alloy mast and *Snap-in* your new black plastic replacement....... yea right! and you were just going to keep all that 20 year-old junk-rigging that was hanging so shabbily off that other stick. I Don't Think So!!!! lets see; $10,000 for the plastic joy-stick. $ 7,000 for the all-new standing rig $ 10 to 15,000 for the new running rig and let us not forget those new sails that will make everything worth it. after all, what dumb-ass would buy a plastic joy-stick with all the trimmings, and not foot for the bloody hi-tech sails too? probably the same dumb-ass who would sink that kind of bucks in a Cal-25 before he would buy a J-Boat, and the monogrammed hat, coat, belt and undies that i bet go with it for a few extra bucks....... and then just think how much weight you would save aloft!!!!! Ok, so now that fiver has made her Opinion apparent; (at lest where plastic, carbon, and mast's intercept) lets talk of how one can get the *Fat* out from between ones ears, and back on ones butt where it belongs (metaphorically speaking). you know, lower the boats center-of-gravity! you didn't actually think i was referring to human's did you???? if a person wants to look at this problem in the simplest of terms; so be it. i believe that i read in the thread talking of carbon-fiber joy-sticks, that Mr. Beven felt even the loss of a hundred lb's aloft would gain a good deal of performance for him and others). so like the good researcher i am, i went to the picture-archives to find your boat, Sir....... and much to my Surprise, Your very Right! in 20/20 hind-sight, i Highly recommend that you equip *Radiant* with Both a Carbon Fiber Mast And Boom as quickly as is you can procure them. may i further add that i think both would make your Cal-40 Look Splendid, Sir! PS. now, that beat-up old boom that you will have no more use for..... my address is....... as for the rest of you Folks (who don't own cal-40's, with cal-28 mast's for boom's); there are much cheaper ways of shedding weight aloft. the last time you painted your mast, how much of that gallon can of paint did you use? what do you think it weighed? how many times was it painted before that? is your Radar hanging half-way up your stick. that's one big twinky! how much lighting is on top. is it incandescent, or LED. brass case or plastic. it all adds up. for instants, that 40' to 50' run to feed even a little 10 watt incandescent light at 12 volt is two #12 wire to be on the safe side. what do you think that weigh's? maybe it's worth switching to an LED light and much smaller wire. and while we are about it; do you really truly need the electronic wind-point up there? it and it's wire add weight too. now a while back when i was talking of really high quality high-tech alloy & fiber-filled lexan blocks with Torlon roller bearings. blocks that weigh-in at 6 to 8 oz's a sheave, and have a single-line-load of 1800 lb's at 60-mm size. i don't know that anyone was listing, but i see that as a hell of a lot of weight loss. and when one adds that to *Samson's AmSteel and AmSteel Blue*. two of the best (spectra) sailing lines made in my opinion (Samson makes others). both float, and are stronger than wire cable. are easily spliced too! and about one seventh the weight of wire. and not expensive in the size one needs to replace cable. so why not replace all your standing and running rigging aloft? that could add up...... and by-the-way, get that damn VHF off your mast head! the cable run is most probably more loss than it's height is gain! i used to do VHF and SSB as part of my job....... well, that's the *Simple* end of thinking. but there is another end of the *Counterbalance* you know. it seems to me that most Cal-boats have their engine's and fuel-tanks in areas of the boat that may be *Convenient* for the owner. but is most certainly less-than convenient where it comes to the problem of *Weight Aloft*. you see, when i think of weight-aloft. i see that as any *weight* above the center-of-bouncy and or the center-of-gravity in the boat. and that 25 gl fuel tank is one big chunk of weight above both of those points in most boats (under the cockpit as it is). and the diesel isn't much better for that matter. it may not be the most convenient place, bit most older cal's have big keel's. big enough that with a little bit of fitting, the engine could go forward and sit with it's pan down in the keel-well. the shaft running in the keel and out the stern of it. and the rest of the area inside of the keel could be fitted for custom plastic tanks. water, fuel, sewage, even batteries. this is certainly a lot better than that way-too-expensive plastic joy-stick you wanted to buy. i am doing it in my Cal-28 as my keel has room for the stuff. i have seen the keel of the old Cal-25 and it's got room. though in that boat if the engine was to be put in the keel; there would be no room to walk around it as there is in a Cal-28. if you can move weight from above a point near the water-line in your boat; to a point well-below the water-line. that isn't just removing weight like we were talking of on your mast; Yes we are doing that...... But now it's like adding to the lead in your keel without bringing anymore on-board. Hey, that's Great!!! you Boys have mostly all been to collage. if i can do the math, i don't see why any of you folks can't do it for your selves. i don't think anyone here can build a carbon fiber mast. but i bet a lot of you can rearrange the guts of your boats if given a bit of time. and i bet all of you could figure out how to lighten-up your riggen a bit if you really wanted too. *Lipo-Suction Cost's Buck's; how much do you want-a lose......* fiver, Master of The "BB-54" one of the famous Cal-28 flush-decks out of Sierra-5, Papa Hotel (in days gone by) now hove-too, not 10' south of my front porch; in my Sister Karen's one acre back yard....... (built like a Battleship; sails like a Sub......) **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)

fi… [at] aol.com wrote: > > what the hell does a Carbon Fiber Mast cost...... > Well, carbon fiber is used in DN iceboat masts a lot. DNs are a class of owner-buildable iceboats. The class has always put a big emphasis on affordability--on making the activity feasible for ordinary folks. Of course, we're talking a much smaller scale than most of our Cals--the sail is 60 sq. ft. But you don't have to be Dennis Connor to sail DNs, even highly competitive DNs. DN sailing is what launched the Gougeon Brothers into the epoxy business. They were DN racers and had this urge toward innovation, leading them to make major improvements in DN design and construction. Here's a link to a photo of DN masts, showing why high-tech materials are favored for the masts. Look at that bend! http://www.idniyra.org/images/paul_n_jd_t.jpg If that doesn't work, try truncating the link after the word "images." Mast bend is favored because it flattens the sail and keeps the boats from tipping over. My very old DN has a wood mast, a not-so-bendy one, so it doesn't bend as much and the sail doesn't flatten as much when the puffs hit, so disaster is closer at hand. Making things worse, the sail on mine is nylon so the damned thing stretches out just when you want to flatten it. (Nylon sails were a big advance over cotton and remained class-legal into the '50s as part of that emphasis on keeping expenses down). Chris Campbell > > > > >

Chris; i remember you talking of ice-sailing many times before. but i must have missed the part about plastic mast's. how do they bake the mast after they lay them up? or are these not that sort; just vacuum bag job's? if i were going to use any epoxy, and i probably will in the wood-laminating. *Gougeon's* is my only choice because of their *process-control*, and their extensive written documentation. (i never use epoxy on cured polyester laminate) fiver *********************** --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Chris Campbell <clcampbell@...> wrote: > > fiverhrairoo@... wrote: > > > > what the hell does a Carbon Fiber Mast cost...... > > > > > > Well, carbon fiber is used in DN iceboat masts a lot. DNs are a class > of owner-buildable iceboats. The class has always put a big emphasis on > affordability--on making the activity feasible for ordinary folks. Of > course, we're talking a much smaller scale than most of our Cals-- the > sail is 60 sq. ft. But you don't have to be Dennis Connor to sail DNs, > even highly competitive DNs. DN sailing is what launched the Gougeon > Brothers into the epoxy business. They were DN racers and had this urge > toward innovation, leading them to make major improvements in DN design > and construction. > > Here's a link to a photo of DN masts, showing why high-tech materials > are favored for the masts. Look at that bend! > > http://www.idniyra.org/images/paul_n_jd_t.jpg > > If that doesn't work, try truncating the link after the word "images." > > Mast bend is favored because it flattens the sail and keeps the boats > from tipping over. My very old DN has a wood mast, a not-so-bendy one, > so it doesn't bend as much and the sail doesn't flatten as much when the > puffs hit, so disaster is closer at hand. Making things worse, the sail > on mine is nylon so the damned thing stretches out just when you want to > flatten it. (Nylon sails were a big advance over cotton and remained > class-legal into the '50s as part of that emphasis on keeping expenses > down). > > Chris Campbell > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Slick, I may be moving my battery from it's current position alongside the port side of the head just foward of the mast, and placing it over the rear hatch to the rear of my full keel. You wrote something about cured polyester laminate. Well, guess what! my 1962 laminate in that section of the boat hasn't fully cured yet, it's still sticky! So, if I put something back there, like furring strips to support my series 24 deep cycle battery (40 to 50lbs.), should it be polyester, epoxy, or urethane construction adhesive? Or maybe I should just leave the battery where it is? I'll loose some difficult to access, odd shaped storage down there, for gaining a little storage area where the battery is now. I'll also have to route some cables from there to the wiring terminals which are in the box where the battery is now. I'm hoping, weight wise, putting the battery a couple few inches lower in the boat, centered, and closer to the center of the boat, under the cockpit, will give me a slight gain in stability. We're supposed to be having three storm cells move ashore Friday Saturday morning and Sunday afternoon, and out big regatta opener is Saturday late morning, so...I'm getting a little nervous! One good thing..my chief competitor doesn't sail in rain storms! The weather prediction is for a lull i the winds...below 20kts. on Sat. Afternoon. But post-frontal winds are usually pretty robust, so it will make for an exciting sail. Yeeeehhhhhhaaaaaa! Jerry. --- On Thu, 1/3/08, slickbutfoxbuger <fi… [at] aol.com> wrote: From: slickbutfoxbuger <fi… [at] aol.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: carbon-fiber -V- lipo-suction To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 3, 2008, 3:51 PM Chris; i remember you talking of ice-sailing many times before. but i must have missed the part about plastic mast's. how do they bake the mast after they lay them up? or are these not that sort; just vacuum bag job's? if i were going to use any epoxy, and i probably will in the wood-laminating. *Gougeon's* is my only choice because of their *process-control* , and their extensive written documentation. (i never use epoxy on cured polyester laminate) fiver ************ ********* ** --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com , Chris Campbell <clcampbell@ ...> wrote: > > fiverhrairoo@ ... wrote: > > > > what the hell does a Carbon Fiber Mast cost...... > > > > > > Well, carbon fiber is used in DN iceboat masts a lot. DNs are a class > of owner-buildable iceboats. The class has always put a big emphasis on > affordability- -on making the activity feasible for ordinary folks. Of > course, we're talking a much smaller scale than most of our Cals-- the > sail is 60 sq. ft. But you don't have to be Dennis Connor to sail DNs, > even highly competitive DNs. DN sailing is what launched the Gougeon > Brothers into the epoxy business. They were DN racers and had this urge > toward innovation, leading them to make major improvements in DN design > and construction. > > Here's a link to a photo of DN masts, showing why high-tech materials > are favored for the masts. Look at that bend! > > http://www.idniyra. org/images/ paul_n_jd_ t.jpg > > If that doesn't work, try truncating the link after the word "images." > > Mast bend is favored because it flattens the sail and keeps the boats > from tipping over. My very old DN has a wood mast, a not-so-bendy one, > so it doesn't bend as much and the sail doesn't flatten as much when the > puffs hit, so disaster is closer at hand. Making things worse, the sail > on mine is nylon so the damned thing stretches out just when you want to > flatten it. (Nylon sails were a big advance over cotton and remained > class-legal into the '50s as part of that emphasis on keeping expenses > down). > > Chris Campbell > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

slickbutfoxbuger wrote: > > Chris; > > i remember you talking of ice-sailing many times before. but > i must have missed the part about plastic mast's. > how do they bake the mast after they lay them up? or are > these not that sort; just vacuum bag job's? > The carbon-fiber masts are one of the exceptions to owner buildability. People buy 'em. I don't know how they're laid up. My own mast is one I built out of basswood after my old spruce one exploded one day. That mast was a whole lot cheaper than buying a high-tech model! The basswood mast is to the modern ones as our old Cal "tree trunk" masts are to bendy dinghy ones. > > > if i were going to use any epoxy, and i probably will in the > wood-laminating. *Gougeon's* is my only choice because of their > *process-control*, and their extensive written documentation. > (i never use epoxy on cured polyester laminate) > I've used their epoxies quite a bit on my boats (all polyester glass composites) for things like closing up old through-hull holes, repairing cored structures (a lazarette cover), securing a battery box that I moved, and a bunch of little jobs. None of them has ever failed. Long ago, when I was in high school, my father bought a 15' I/O runabout. This was pretty early in fiberglass boat history (1962 or '63) and the structure wasn't engineered perfectly, so I made a plywood ring frame to stiffen it up and used the only thing available then--polyester resin and fiberglass cloth--to secure it to the hull. It's still there and (surprisingly) still secured. I figure that epoxy has to be more tenacious than that polyester. Chris Campbell > >

Gerald Sobel wrote: > > Or maybe I should just leave the battery where it is? I'll loose some > difficult to access, odd shaped storage down there, for gaining a > little storage area where the battery is now. I'll also have to route > some cables from there to the wiring terminals which are in the box > where the battery is now. I'm hoping, weight wise, putting the battery > a couple few inches lower in the boat, centered, and closer to the > center of the boat, under the cockpit, will give me a slight gain in > stability. > My other boat had its battery (lights, etc. only, not for starting) mounted above water level on the stbd. side. This is a shoal-draft boat to start with so having a big chunk of lead up high did her no favors in stability. The boat has a long shallow keel so I moved the battery inboard and forward and down, placing it in the keel sump area. Each direction was an improvement. Don't know why the builders didn't perceive that. And that boat, built in 1961, still has a familiar polyester-resin smell when I open her up to go sailing. Chris Campbell > >

i sent you a private e-mail.... fiver

I have my batteries down low, in the bilge. The Cal 25 bilge is deep enough that I was able to build a 6" platform for the battery to sit on, so any water seeping into the bilge was below battery level. The battery is out of the way, easy to reach, and an extra source of ballast. :-) Cheers, Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Campbell To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 6:36 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Moving a battery box, epoxy, was:Re: carbon-fiber -V- lipo-suction Gerald Sobel wrote: Or maybe I should just leave the battery where it is? I'll loose some difficult to access, odd shaped storage down there, for gaining a little storage area where the battery is now. I'll also have to route some cables from there to the wiring terminals which are in the box where the battery is now. I'm hoping, weight wise, putting the battery a couple few inches lower in the boat, centered, and closer to the center of the boat, under the cockpit, will give me a slight gain in stability. My other boat had its battery (lights, etc. only, not for starting) mounted above water level on the stbd. side. This is a shoal-draft boat to start with so having a big chunk of lead up high did her no favors in stability. The boat has a long shallow keel so I moved the battery inboard and forward and down, placing it in the keel sump area. Each direction was an improvement. Don't know why the builders didn't perceive that. And that boat, built in 1961, still has a familiar polyester-resin smell when I open her up to go sailing. Chris Campbell

Has anyone installed an AC on a Cal 33-2 and if so, where did you put the beast of a compressor and routing for the ducts. Thanks, Darr LaFon Alcyone II Cal 33-2 1986

Hi Darr, When I looked into an HVAC system on Serendip, my initial plan was to install the compressor under the port V-Berth and run the ducting up to the hanging locker. In the end, I'd rather have the space, if it comes down to living aboard where there's no breeze, I'll purchase a hatch-type AC unit to sit on the salon hatch. JD Serendipity Setauket, NY Cal 33-2 1989 #153 On Jan 6, 2008, at 12:13 , darr lafon wrote: > Has anyone installed an AC on a Cal 33-2 and if so, where did you > put the beast of a compressor and routing for the ducts. > > Thanks, > > Darr LaFon > Alcyone II > Cal 33-2 1986 >

Hello, The Leo Robbins Sailing Center of Ventura, is sponsoring the "Sailing Adventure Lecture Series" to benefit their Youth Sailing Program. I am the youth sailing director and when not sailing my Cal 34 out of Ventura, I am teaching kids and adults the joys of sailing and helping maintain our sailing fleet. Our first speaker is John and Amanda Neal and the show is this Thursday night (Jan.10th) at 7:30pm. They will be presenting a slide show about successful cruising. Both are well-known speakers and authors. I have attached a flyer with more information and dates and times of our future shows, including Nigel Calder speaking in February. I hope you can attend one of our shows, make sure you come up and say "Hi" and introduce yourself as a fellow Cal boater. Dean Prophet Cal 34 Hull #7 Ventura, CA

Scott, On the Cal 24 the keel is too narrow to drop the batteries, but maybe I can put a strut up from the bottom to help support the battery box. The box would sit where the keel tapers vs. against bottom of hull on port side. Last nite I discovered my old battery is pretty dead, so I may put the new one where the old one was, at least temporarily. Not much wind in the season opener race yesterday, sometimes we fell bellow two knots, in windless lulls. I was happy to get to the first upwind buoy ahead of the fleet, and gradually pull away from them. I picked off a few of the over 30's that started ahead of us. We finished the 12 mile triangle 40 minutes in front of the rest of the under 30' fleet but had to DNF. Oh, does that hurt (and my aching back, etc.) They announced us as winners, gave us a trophy, then five minutes later announced a mistake had been made, and had to return it. Ouch! But kindly they gave me a replacement for a first place glass mug from winning the event two years ago, that I had broken, my girlfriend will be happy to see that shattered glass mug out of her home! Jerry, Shpritz, Cal 24 #71 --- On Sun, 1/6/08, Scott Sauvageot <rx… [at] hotmail.com> wrote: From: Scott Sauvageot <rx… [at] hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Moving a battery box, epoxy, was:Re: carbon-fiber -V- lipo-suction To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, January 6, 2008, 7:54 AM I have my batteries down low, in the bilge. The Cal 25 bilge is deep enough that I was able to build a 6" platform for the battery to sit on, so any water seeping into the bilge was below battery level. The battery is out of the way, easy to reach, and an extra source of ballast. :-) Cheers, Scott From: Chris Campbell To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 6:36 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Moving a battery box, epoxy, was:Re: carbon-fiber -V- lipo-suction Gerald Sobel wrote: Or maybe I should just leave the battery where it is? I'll loose some difficult to access, odd shaped storage down there, for gaining a little storage area where the battery is now. I'll also have to route some cables from there to the wiring terminals which are in the box where the battery is now. I'm hoping, weight wise, putting the battery a couple few inches lower in the boat, centered, and closer to the center of the boat, under the cockpit, will give me a slight gain in stability. My other boat had its battery (lights, etc. only, not for starting) mounted above water level on the stbd. side. This is a shoal-draft boat to start with so having a big chunk of lead up high did her no favors in stability. The boat has a long shallow keel so I moved the battery inboard and forward and down, placing it in the keel sump area. Each direction was an improvement. Don't know why the builders didn't perceive that. And that boat, built in 1961, still has a familiar polyester-resin smell when I open her up to go sailing. Chris Campbell

Scott, On the Cal 24 the keel is too narrow to drop the batteries, but maybe I can put a strut up from the bottom to help support the battery box. The box would sit where the keel tapers vs. against bottom of hull on port side. Last nite I discovered my old battery is pretty dead, so I may put the new one where the old one was, at least temporarily. Not much wind in the season opener race yesterday, sometimes we fell bellow two knots, in windless lulls. I was happy to get to the first upwind buoy ahead of the fleet, and gradually pull away from them. I picked off a few of the over 30's that started ahead of us. We finished the 12 mile triangle 40 minutes in front of the rest of the under 30' fleet but had to DNF. Oh, does that hurt (and my aching back, etc.) They announced us as winners, gave us a trophy, then five minutes later announced a mistake had been made, and had to return it. Ouch! But kindly they gave me a replacement for a first place glass mug from winning the event two years ago, that I had broken, my girlfriend will be happy to see that shattered glass mug out of her home! Jerry, Shpritz, Cal 24 #71 --- On Sun, 1/6/08, Scott Sauvageot <rx… [at] hotmail.com> wrote: From: Scott Sauvageot <rx… [at] hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Moving a battery box, epoxy, was:Re: carbon-fiber -V- lipo-suction To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, January 6, 2008, 7:54 AM I have my batteries down low, in the bilge. The Cal 25 bilge is deep enough that I was able to build a 6" platform for the battery to sit on, so any water seeping into the bilge was below battery level. The battery is out of the way, easy to reach, and an extra source of ballast. :-) Cheers, Scott From: Chris Campbell To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 6:36 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Moving a battery box, epoxy, was:Re: carbon-fiber -V- lipo-suction Gerald Sobel wrote: Or maybe I should just leave the battery where it is? I'll loose some difficult to access, odd shaped storage down there, for gaining a little storage area where the battery is now. I'll also have to route some cables from there to the wiring terminals which are in the box where the battery is now. I'm hoping, weight wise, putting the battery a couple few inches lower in the boat, centered, and closer to the center of the boat, under the cockpit, will give me a slight gain in stability. My other boat had its battery (lights, etc. only, not for starting) mounted above water level on the stbd. side. This is a shoal-draft boat to start with so having a big chunk of lead up high did her no favors in stability. The boat has a long shallow keel so I moved the battery inboard and forward and down, placing it in the keel sump area. Each direction was an improvement. Don't know why the builders didn't perceive that. And that boat, built in 1961, still has a familiar polyester-resin smell when I open her up to go sailing. Chris Campbell

Dean I would like to know where this will be held Dave Paulson Allergia Cal334 Channel Islands ----- Original Message ----- From: Dean Prophet To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 3:13 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Sailing Lecture Series in Ventura, CA Hello, The Leo Robbins Sailing Center of Ventura, is sponsoring the "Sailing Adventure Lecture Series" to benefit their Youth Sailing Program. I am the youth sailing director and when not sailing my Cal 34 out of Ventura, I am teaching kids and adults the joys of sailing and helping maintain our sailing fleet. Our first speaker is John and Amanda Neal and the show is this Thursday night (Jan.10th) at 7:30pm. They will be presenting a slide show about successful cruising. Both are well-known speakers and authors. I have attached a flyer with more information and dates and times of our future shows, including Nigel Calder speaking in February. I hope you can attend one of our shows, make sure you come up and say "Hi" and introduce yourself as a fellow Cal boater. Dean Prophet Cal 34 Hull #7 Ventura, CA

If you are getting a new battery and have space issues, you could always consider going to the 6 volt golf cart size batteries wired in series. Many cruisers use these instead of the standard car size. I think they work well as house batteries as they tolerate repeated discharges well. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96

Mike, Thanks, but already have a new battery. It's the smaller, Exide deep cycle Group 24, but still weighs a ton (42lbs) or feels like it anyway. I got it with a Kragen Auto coupon. To go smaller I think I'd have to drop down to motorcycle starter size battery. Another idea is to get LED running lights. Good idea for overnight races, as incandescent running lights eat up a lot of juice. I use a 40 watt solar panel on long trips like the San Diego race, to recharge. Just take it out and tie it on my dog house roof and run some 12 guage wires to the battery. Mike, do you ever keep in touch with Odin Brath? He has both a Cal 34 and a Cal 40 down in Newport, he's one of the original fiberglass sailboat and Cal production guys. He's still on the Cal sailnet.net email groups. Jerry --- On Mon, 1/7/08, mtkennedy1 <mt… [at] cox.net> wrote: From: mtkennedy1 <mt… [at] cox.net> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats]Stein Series opener, was: Moving a battery box, (Scott) To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, January 7, 2008, 12:27 AM If you are getting a new battery and have space issues, you could always consider going to the 6 volt golf cart size batteries wired in series. Many cruisers use these instead of the standard car size. I think they work well as house batteries as they tolerate repeated discharges well. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96

Darr, Not on my boat, but one of my sister-ships in our marina. The Compressor was located at the end of the settee next to the head, where the batteries are located. They extended the end of the settee to the mast allowing additional length, and the ducting. They also ran the ducts inside the head up to the overhead, one vent aft facing and one to the V-berth. I am not sure where the batteries were relocated. The owners seemed to be satisfied with the system, and the new owners have had the boat for 4 years(?). I have not heard any complaints. We use a cruiseaire dropped in the main cabin hatch. It works great while at the dock. On anchor, wind scoops are all we use. Except for the boom tent. It's a must for the AC and while at anchor. If you can keep the sun off the deck, it stays much cooler below. YMMV John Cal 33 Oriental NC From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of darr lafon Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 12:13 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [SPAM][Cal_Boats] Air conditioning on a Cal 33-2 Has anyone installed an AC on a Cal 33-2 and if so, where did you put the beast of a compressor and routing for the ducts. Thanks, Darr LaFon Alcyone II Cal 33-2 1986

--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "darr lafon" <darrlafon@...> wrote: > > Has anyone installed an AC on a Cal 33-2 and if so, where did you put the > beast of a compressor and routing for the ducts. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Darr LaFon > > Alcyone II > > Cal 33-2 1986 > I have a 1987 Cal 33-2.and the AC is very appreciated seeing the vessel lives in Charleston, SC. It came with the AC/Heater that had been installed by a previous owner. The thru hull and filter are port of the centerline under the V birth. The unit is on the center line under the V birth. One duct goes up the starboard locker and vents into the V birth. The other duct goes to port with with 1 vent just aft of the bulkhead and another below the sink. It can be a bit noisy but what we do unless it is very hot is to cool down the boat and then just use a fan. In the winter we heat it up and then use a portable ceramic heater. When it is really hot or cold we just learn to sleep thru the noise which is much better than sweltering or freezing. Good luck. Jim O'C Ariel

Dean, Thanks for the heads up on these. I've put them on my calendar and will try and get down for one or more of them. Wilkie _____ From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dean Prophet Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 3:14 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Sailing Lecture Series in Ventura, CA Hello, The Leo Robbins Sailing Center of Ventura, is sponsoring the "Sailing Adventure Lecture Series" to benefit their Youth Sailing Program. I am the youth sailing director and when not sailing my Cal 34 out of Ventura, I am teaching kids and adults the joys of sailing and helping maintain our sailing fleet. Our first speaker is John and Amanda Neal and the show is this Thursday night (Jan.10th) at 7:30pm. They will be presenting a slide show about successful cruising. Both are well-known speakers and authors. I have attached a flyer with more information and dates and times of our future shows, including Nigel Calder speaking in February. I hope you can attend one of our shows, make sure you come up and say "Hi" and introduce yourself as a fellow Cal boater. Dean Prophet Cal 34 Hull #7 Ventura, CA