Bad Day?

Check the pictures in sequence. Note port stern on picture 2. Cheers Charlie

Husar, Charlie [USA] wrote: > > Check the pictures in sequence. Note port stern on picture 2. > People pay good money at an amusement park for that kind of ride. Chris Campbell

Great Photo Sequence. I trust this guy is OK (floating dudes in photo 3) and assuming he will have some bragging rights for years to come -- hope like hell it wasn't his boat or his responsibility.... Wilkie _____ From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Husar, Charlie [USA] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 12:17 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Bad Day? Check the pictures in sequence. Note port stern on picture 2. Cheers Charlie

Having been nearly run down, and having to radically alter course to avoid collision with a boat about this size, or bigger, bearing down on me a full speed, while cruising back from last Fall's CCCCC, it's hard for me to feel any sympathy about this boat, other than possible effect it may have on the insurance rates we pay. The amount of fuel they suck at cruise speed in one hour could propel me happily for a few years. They are mostly big ego toys that rarely leave dock except for maybe a once or twice a year jaunt to Catalina...thank goodness! So, what are they, big water side condos that force out smaller recreational sailboats like ours. In our local newspaper the Argonaut, was a full page ad boasting of the panoramic views of "mega-yachts" from the picture windows of palatial high rise condos that were nearing completion. Aaarrgghhh! I've confirmed that the whale Eric and I were trying to get closer to that morning was indeed a blue whale. One of the local Marina freebie rags, in an article highlighting the events of 2007, published a picture of one of the Blues that had been hanging around the San Pedro late last summer and I recognize the similarity of the markings. The most awesome thing about the wale is the tremendous thundering woooosh and spout of steam as he or she came up for air. It was a quarter mile away from us, and we slowly motor sailed towards it, and it seemingly disappeared for several minutes, only to discover it spouting back where we'd just left when we first observed it. Jerry --- On Mon, 1/7/08, Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote: From: Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Bad Day? To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, January 7, 2008, 12:17 PM Check the pictures in sequence. Note port stern on picture 2. Cheers Charlie

Truth be told, there is a lot of petroleum in sails. Of course, Jerry's sails are 20 or so years old. Right, Jerry? Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gerald Sobel Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 3:35 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Blue Whale@CCCCCC, was [good]-Bad Day?(Charlie) Having been nearly run down, and having to radically alter course to avoid collision with a boat about this size, or bigger, bearing down on me a full speed, while cruising back from last Fall's CCCCC, it's hard for me to feel any sympathy about this boat, other than possible effect it may have on the insurance rates we pay. The amount of fuel they suck at cruise speed in one hour could propel me happily for a few years. They are mostly big ego toys that rarely leave dock except for maybe a once or twice a year jaunt to Catalina...thank goodness! So, what are they, big water side condos that force out smaller recreational sailboats like ours. In our local newspaper the Argonaut, was a full page ad boasting of the panoramic views of "mega-yachts" from the picture windows of palatial high rise condos that were nearing completion. Aaarrgghhh! I've confirmed that the whale Eric and I were trying to get closer to that morning was indeed a blue whale. One of the local Marina freebie rags, in an article highlighting the events of 2007, published a picture of one of the Blues that had been hanging around the San Pedro late last summer and I recognize the similarity of the markings. The most awesome thing about the wale is the tremendous thundering woooosh and spout of steam as he or she came up for air. It was a quarter mile away from us, and we slowly motor sailed towards it, and it seemingly disappeared for several minutes, only to discover it spouting back where we'd just left when we first observed it. Jerry --- On Mon, 1/7/08, Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote: From: Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Bad Day? To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, January 7, 2008, 12:17 PM Check the pictures in sequence. Note port stern on picture 2. Cheers Charlie

that's not true of all sail's, Charlie; the Navy uses *HY-80* to make the sail's for their boat's..... 5er ******************* --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <husar_charlie@...> wrote: > > Truth be told, there is a lot of petroleum in sails. Of course, Jerry's > sails are 20 or so years old. Right, Jerry? > > Cheers > Charlie > > ________________________________ > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Gerald Sobel > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 3:35 AM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Blue Whale@CCCCCC, was [good]-Bad Day? (Charlie) > > > Having been nearly run down, and having to radically alter course to > avoid collision with a boat about this size, or bigger, bearing down on > me a full speed, while cruising back from last Fall's CCCCC, it's hard > for me to feel any sympathy about this boat, other than possible effect > it may have on the insurance rates we pay. > > The amount of fuel they suck at cruise speed in one hour could propel me > happily for a few years. They are mostly big ego toys that rarely leave > dock except for maybe a once or twice a year jaunt to Catalina...thank > goodness! So, what are they, big water side condos that force out > smaller recreational sailboats like ours. In our local newspaper the > Argonaut, was a full page ad boasting of the panoramic views of > "mega-yachts" from the picture windows of palatial high rise condos that > were nearing completion. Aaarrgghhh! > > I've confirmed that the whale Eric and I were trying to get closer to > that morning was indeed a blue whale. One of the local Marina freebie > rags, in an article highlighting the events of 2007, published a picture > of one of the Blues that had been hanging around the San Pedro late last > summer and I recognize the similarity of the markings. The most awesome > thing about the wale is the tremendous thundering woooosh and spout of > steam as he or she came up for air. It was a quarter mile away from us, > and we slowly motor sailed towards it, and it seemingly disappeared for > several minutes, only to discover it spouting back where we'd just left > when we first observed it. > Jerry > > --- On Mon, 1/7/08, Husar, Charlie [USA] <husar_charlie@...> wrote: > > > From: Husar, Charlie [USA] <husar_charlie@...> > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Bad Day? > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, January 7, 2008, 12:17 PM > > > > Check the pictures in sequence. Note port stern on picture 2. > > Cheers > Charlie >

For the most part, 5er. However, the Naval Academy has many boats here in Annapolis they use for sail training and varsity sport. They definitely use the petroleum variety sails. Very few, if any, have steel hulls (truth be told, I never checked). List Etiquette for All: Note how I changed the title to reflect new content and target my audience. Also note how I deleted a lot of stuff below that was not germane to the topic. May ye be edified. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of slickbutfoxbuger Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 7:15 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Blue Whale and Fairness that's not true of all sail's, Charlie; the Navy uses *HY-80* to make the sail's for their boat's..... 5er ******************* --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <husar_charlie@...> wrote: > > Truth be told, there is a lot of petroleum in sails. Of course, Jerry's > sails are 20 or so years old. Right, Jerry? > > Cheers > Charlie >

Husar, Charlie [USA] wrote: > > Truth be told, there is a lot of petroleum in sails. There's even more in our hulls. But it's a long-term use (my other boat is 47 this year and my Cal 20 is 41). I'm with Jerry on those massive high-speed boats with no apparent purpose other than to perplex us sailors and diminish the supply of gasoline. My other boat lives in an area of high powerboat population. The family runabouts with a kid in tow on a float toy are not the annoying ones. It's those big loud ones, the ones with the unmuffled, above-water exhausts. I call them, depending on my mood, either "look at me boats" or "small penis boats" (compensatory devices). They roar out into the Bay, passing close to us slower folks in the channel and making a huge noise, and then about 5 or 10 minutes later they roar back into the river. My thoughts are especially black on those light air days when I'm trying to coax my boat along under sail and these jerks roar past me, stopping my motion with their wakes and ruining the little bit of sail shape that was pulling me along. Chris Campbell

Jerry, Rich people have the right to boat too... not everyone wants to do it your way. I'm not trying to stick a road flare up your butt on this... just pointing out if they have money to pay the fuel, they have the right to have the boat. Of course, if they can't actually drive it and run people down, perhaps they need to be pewnished. Marsh Gerald Sobel wrote: > Having been nearly run down, and having to radically alter course to > avoid collision with a boat about this size, or bigger, bearing down > on me a full speed, while cruising back from last Fall's CCCCC, it's > hard for me to feel any sympathy about this boat, other than possible > effect it may have on the insurance rates we pay. > > The amount of fuel they suck at cruise speed in one hour could propel > me happily for a few years. They are mostly big ego toys that rarely > leave dock except for maybe a once or twice a year jaunt to > Catalina...thank goodness! So, what are they, big water side condos > that force out smaller recreational sailboats like ours. In our local > newspaper the Argonaut, was a full page ad boasting of the panoramic > views of "mega-yachts" from the picture windows of palatial high rise > condos that were nearing completion. Aaarrgghhh! > > I've confirmed that the whale Eric and I were trying to get closer to > that morning was indeed a blue whale. One of the local Marina freebie > rags, in an article highlighting the events of 2007, published a > picture of one of the Blues that had been hanging around the San Pedro > late last summer and I recognize the similarity of the markings. The > most awesome thing about the wale is the tremendous thundering woooosh > and spout of steam as he or she came up for air. It was a quarter mile > away from us, and we slowly motor sailed towards it, and it seemingly > disappeared for several minutes, only to discover it spouting back > where we'd just left when we first observed it. > Jerry > > --- On *Mon, 1/7/08, Husar, Charlie [USA] /<hu… [at] bah.com>/* > wrote: > > From: Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Bad Day? > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, January 7, 2008, 12:17 PM > > Check the pictures in sequence. Note port stern on picture 2. > > Cheers > Charlie > >

Chris, do you mean the ones w/ the "child-burner" exhaust pipes? Those are ego strokers. Don't forget the 100' rooster tails from the "jet-o-vator." Marsh Chris Campbell wrote: > I t's those big loud ones, the ones with the unmuffled, above-water > exhausts. I call them, depending on my mood, either "look at me > boats" or "small penis boats" (compensatory devices). > > Chris Campbell

Yes, they may have that right. But do they have the "right" to be egregiously rude? And it's tough on the people who want to actually use their boats. If you view marinas as a limited and shrinking resource (and they are), then you can make the argument: utility that maximizes the general good (anyone who wants to go boating) needs to be balanced against descriminatory practices (who has the most money wins). I don't want to debate where that balance lies, but if one does accept that such a balance should be struck at any point on the scale, then the wholesale replacement of small slips in use by people who really go boating by far fewer mega-slips used by those who don't is not a practice that can continue unabated. I think this argument is especially critical as, while the marina may be private, the waters in which they have there slips is a public resource (at least for the most part).. td From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Marsh Wise Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 1:06 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Blue Whale@CCCCCC, was [good]-Bad Day?(Charlie) Jerry, Rich people have the right to boat too... not everyone wants to do it your way. I'm not trying to stick a road flare up your butt on this... just pointing out if they have money to pay the fuel, they have the right to have the boat. Of course, if they can't actually drive it and run people down, perhaps they need to be pewnished. Marsh Gerald Sobel wrote: Having been nearly run down, and having to radically alter course to avoid collision with a boat about this size, or bigger, bearing down on me a full speed, while cruising back from last Fall's CCCCC, it's hard for me to feel any sympathy about this boat, other than possible effect it may have on the insurance rates we pay. The amount of fuel they suck at cruise speed in one hour could propel me happily for a few years. They are mostly big ego toys that rarely leave dock except for maybe a once or twice a year jaunt to Catalina...thank goodness! So, what are they, big water side condos that force out smaller recreational sailboats like ours. In our local newspaper the Argonaut, was a full page ad boasting of the panoramic views of "mega-yachts" from the picture windows of palatial high rise condos that were nearing completion. Aaarrgghhh! I've confirmed that the whale Eric and I were trying to get closer to that morning was indeed a blue whale. One of the local Marina freebie rags, in an article highlighting the events of 2007, published a picture of one of the Blues that had been hanging around the San Pedro late last summer and I recognize the similarity of the markings. The most awesome thing about the wale is the tremendous thundering woooosh and spout of steam as he or she came up for air. It was a quarter mile away from us, and we slowly motor sailed towards it, and it seemingly disappeared for several minutes, only to discover it spouting back where we'd just left when we first observed it. Jerry --- On Mon, 1/7/08, Husar, Charlie [USA] <mailto:hu… [at] bah.com> <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote: From: Husar, Charlie [USA] <mailto:hu… [at] bah.com> <hu… [at] bah.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Bad Day? To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> ps.com Date: Monday, January 7, 2008, 12:17 PM Check the pictures in sequence. Note port stern on picture 2. Cheers Charlie DISCLAIMER: Important Notice ************************************************* This e-mail may contain information that is confidential, privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not an intended recipient of this e-mail, do not duplicate or redistribute it by any means. Please delete it and any attachments and notify the sender that you have received it in error. Unintended recipients are prohibited from taking action on the basis of information in this e-mail.E-mail messages may contain computer viruses or other defects, may not be accurately replicated on other systems, or may be intercepted, deleted or interfered with without the knowledge of the sender or the intended recipient. If you are not comfortable with the risks associated with e-mail messages, you may decide not to use e-mail to communicate with IPC. IPC reserves the right, to the extent and under circumstances permitted by applicable law, to retain, monitor and intercept e-mail messages to and from its systems.

I don't have a solution for them taking up all the spaces. That's wrong in itself and I think these communities that allow and encourage this crap need something to happen. I don't know what, but something. Also, I'm sorry, but when they tell me that a slip is going to be $9000 a year, I'm going to put it on a trailer. :-0 Of cours,e you know that ALL sailboat owners are rich. I get the weirdest looks where I live when they hear I have a sailboat. "Whut, ya mean it has sails?? Do ya fish offin' it? I'd want me a bassboat or a houseboat... they's more fun." Literally. :-( M. Downing, Thomas wrote: > Yes, they may have that right. But do they have the "right" to be > egregiously > rude? > > And it's tough on the people who want to actually use their boats. > > If you view marinas as a limited and shrinking resource (and they > are), then you > can make the argument: utility that maximizes the general good (anyone who > wants to go boating) needs to be balanced against descriminatory practices > (who has the most money wins). > > I don't want to debate where that balance lies, but if one does accept > that such > a balance should be struck at any point on the scale, then the > wholesale replacement > of small slips in use by people who really go boating by far fewer > mega-slips used by > those who don't is not a practice that can continue unabated. > > I think this argument is especially critical as, while the marina may > be private, > the waters in which they have there slips is a public resource (at > least for the > most part).. > > td > > > >

Yup. I suspect there are tax incentives to owning a floating second home for the mega-buck captains of industry. Santa Barbara has a lot of multi-million dollar boats showing up from the South and None of them ever move. They do have cocktail parties once or twice a year. When you're popping several million for the boat and another million for the right to rent the slip from the city, and you never use the thing -- well what's the incentive? It's not an investment and these guys didn't get rich being stupid. What's wrong with our tax code? Wilkie _____ From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Downing, Thomas Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 10:43 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Blue Whale@CCCCCC, was [good]-Bad Day?(Charlie) Yes, they may have that right. But do they have the "right" to be egregiously rude? And it's tough on the people who want to actually use their boats. If you view marinas as a limited and shrinking resource (and they are), then you can make the argument: utility that maximizes the general good (anyone who wants to go boating) needs to be balanced against descriminatory practices (who has the most money wins). I don't want to debate where that balance lies, but if one does accept that such a balance should be struck at any point on the scale, then the wholesale replacement of small slips in use by people who really go boating by far fewer mega-slips used by those who don't is not a practice that can continue unabated. I think this argument is especially critical as, while the marina may be private, the waters in which they have there slips is a public resource (at least for the most part).. td From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Marsh Wise Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 1:06 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Blue Whale@CCCCCC, was [good]-Bad Day?(Charlie) Jerry, Rich people have the right to boat too... not everyone wants to do it your way. I'm not trying to stick a road flare up your butt on this... just pointing out if they have money to pay the fuel, they have the right to have the boat. Of course, if they can't actually drive it and run people down, perhaps they need to be pewnished. Marsh Gerald Sobel wrote: Having been nearly run down, and having to radically alter course to avoid collision with a boat about this size, or bigger, bearing down on me a full speed, while cruising back from last Fall's CCCCC, it's hard for me to feel any sympathy about this boat, other than possible effect it may have on the insurance rates we pay. The amount of fuel they suck at cruise speed in one hour could propel me happily for a few years. They are mostly big ego toys that rarely leave dock except for maybe a once or twice a year jaunt to Catalina...thank goodness! So, what are they, big water side condos that force out smaller recreational sailboats like ours. In our local newspaper the Argonaut, was a full page ad boasting of the panoramic views of "mega-yachts" from the picture windows of palatial high rise condos that were nearing completion. Aaarrgghhh! I've confirmed that the whale Eric and I were trying to get closer to that morning was indeed a blue whale. One of the local Marina freebie rags, in an article highlighting the events of 2007, published a picture of one of the Blues that had been hanging around the San Pedro late last summer and I recognize the similarity of the markings. The most awesome thing about the wale is the tremendous thundering woooosh and spout of steam as he or she came up for air. It was a quarter mile away from us, and we slowly motor sailed towards it, and it seemingly disappeared for several minutes, only to discover it spouting back where we'd just left when we first observed it. Jerry --- On Mon, 1/7/08, Husar, Charlie [USA] <mailto:hu… [at] bah.com> <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote: From: Husar, Charlie [USA] <mailto:hu… [at] bah.com> <hu… [at] bah.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Bad Day? To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> ps.com Date: Monday, January 7, 2008, 12:17 PM Check the pictures in sequence. Note port stern on picture 2. 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Marsh Wise wrote: > > Chris, do you mean the ones w/ the "child-burner" exhaust pipes? Those > are ego strokers. Don't forget the 100' rooster tails from the > "jet-o-vator." > Maybe if they burned more of their kids we'd see some Darwinian attrition in their ranks. I always do the mental calculation: "Let's see, 5 gallons per mile, times 15 miles, times $3.50 per gallon," and suddenly I don't feel quite as bad. And if people want to pile up their dollar bills and burn them, that's their business, but the go-fast-noisily crowd acts rudely with their wakes and imposes on my ears with their obnoxious noise. Chris Campbell

Touche' Charlie ! i had forgotten of our poor *cadet* cousins. though if by tonnage alone, i would say the navy's glow-in-the-dark boys make your rag-top boys look like a drop on the ocean by comparison........ :)(: (good thing both have *Sails* so we can joke about them here) fiver ***************************** --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <husar_charlie@...> wrote: > > For the most part, 5er. However, the Naval Academy has many boats here > in Annapolis they use for sail training and varsity sport. They > definitely use the petroleum variety sails. Very few, if any, have > steel hulls (truth be told, I never checked). > > List Etiquette for All: Note how I changed the title to reflect new > content and target my audience. Also note how I deleted a lot of stuff > below that was not germane to the topic. May ye be edified. > > Cheers > Charlie > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of slickbutfoxbuger > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 7:15 AM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Blue Whale and Fairness > > that's not true of all sail's, Charlie; > > the Navy uses *HY-80* to make the sail's for their boat's..... > > 5er > > ******************* > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Husar, Charlie [USA]" > <husar_charlie@> wrote: > > > > Truth be told, there is a lot of petroleum in sails. Of course, > Jerry's > > sails are 20 or so years old. Right, Jerry? > > > > Cheers > > Charlie > > >

Yep, the noise is the worst. The wake only lasts a moment. Your out on the water for a perfect sunrise, and all the time there's that background noise where there should only be bird calls on the wind. td From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Chris Campbell Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 4:42 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Blue Whale and Fairness Marsh Wise wrote: Chris, do you mean the ones w/ the "child-burner" exhaust pipes? Those are ego strokers. Don't forget the 100' rooster tails from the "jet-o-vator." Maybe if they burned more of their kids we'd see some Darwinian attrition in their ranks. I always do the mental calculation: "Let's see, 5 gallons per mile, times 15 miles, times $3.50 per gallon," and suddenly I don't feel quite as bad. And if people want to pile up their dollar bills and burn them, that's their business, but the go-fast-noisily crowd acts rudely with their wakes and imposes on my ears with their obnoxious noise. Chris Campbell DISCLAIMER: Important Notice ************************************************* This e-mail may contain information that is confidential, privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not an intended recipient of this e-mail, do not duplicate or redistribute it by any means. Please delete it and any attachments and notify the sender that you have received it in error. Unintended recipients are prohibited from taking action on the basis of information in this e-mail.E-mail messages may contain computer viruses or other defects, may not be accurately replicated on other systems, or may be intercepted, deleted or interfered with without the knowledge of the sender or the intended recipient. If you are not comfortable with the risks associated with e-mail messages, you may decide not to use e-mail to communicate with IPC. IPC reserves the right, to the extent and under circumstances permitted by applicable law, to retain, monitor and intercept e-mail messages to and from its systems.