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See, sometimes efforts come through. Sadly, the developers don't really care about rules, they break rules and do as they please, as we know. Jerry --- On Thu, 1/10/08, Stuart Little <la… [at] gmail.com> wrote: From: Stuart Little <la… [at] gmail.com> Subject: Win for Marina Del Rey To: na… [at] gmail.com Date: Thursday, January 10, 2008, 12:07 PM California Coastal Commission Sympathetic To Marina Del Rey Community In This Issue · Success with the CCC Informatio n Sites LAMariner.com WeAreMDR.com Coalition to Save The Marina Contact Us la… [at] gmail.com 310-578-5050 Three Home Runs After 6 hours of testimony from residents, developers, consultants, and members of our boating community, the Coastal Commissioners unanimously voted to strengthen the LCP to include: 1) ESHA designation -Blue Heron habitat (protected from development in MDR) 2) No loss in total number of slips 30' and under (hinders "big boats" push) 3) A comprehensive analysis/audit in Marina Del Rey More than 80 public speakers showed up at 10AM to testify. Presentations from the Coalition to Save the Marina, Audubon Society, WeAREMDR, and LAMariner helped showcase the issues in our community. After initial outbursts by the public, Commissioners settled the meeting and advised alternative methods of support and displeasure. One of the early highlights was Commissioner Bill Burke's blasting Los Angeles County Regional Planning's Ron Hoffman for declining the recommendation for public review of the LCP before the Coastal Commission meeting. This "public flogging" lasted 10 minutes and certainly helped with our success. The video of yesterday's meeting will be found here: http://www.cal-span.org/cgi-bin/media.pl?folder=CCC LAMariner's Presentation is posted on LAMariner.com Documents Page -- All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent. Thomas Jefferson Visit LAMariner.com

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I just got a call for jury duty at the fedral court in Los Angeles. Dont know if I can get out of this. long way for me to go down there . Any sugestions Dave Paulson ----- Original Message ----- From: Gerald Sobel To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 10:21 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Fw: Win for Marina Del Rey See, sometimes efforts come through. Sadly, the developers don't really care about rules, they break rules and do as they please, as we know. Jerry --- On Thu, 1/10/08, Stuart Little <la… [at] gmail.com> wrote: From: Stuart Little <la… [at] gmail.com> Subject: Win for Marina Del Rey To: na… [at] gmail.com Date: Thursday, January 10, 2008, 12:07 PM ---------------------------------------------------------------------- California Coastal Commission Sympathetic To Marina Del Rey Community In This Issue · Success with the CCC Information Sites LAMariner.com WeAreMDR.com Coalition to Save The Marina Contact Us la… [at] gmail.com 310-578-5050 Three Home Runs After 6 hours of testimony from residents, developers, consultants, and members of our boating community, the Coastal Commissioners unanimously voted to strengthen the LCP to include: 1) ESHA designation -Blue Heron habitat (protected from development in MDR) 2) No loss in total number of slips 30' and under (hinders "big boats" push) 3) A comprehensive analysis/audit in Marina Del Rey More than 80 public speakers showed up at 10AM to testify. Presentations from the Coalition to Save the Marina, Audubon Society, WeAREMDR, and LAMariner helped showcase the issues in our community. After initial outbursts by the public, Commissioners settled the meeting and advised alternative methods of support and displeasure. One of the early highlights was Commissioner Bill Burke's blasting Los Angeles County Regional Planning's Ron Hoffman for declining the recommendation for public review of the LCP before the Coastal Commission meeting. This "public flogging" lasted 10 minutes and certainly helped with our success. The video of yesterday's meeting will be found here: http://www.cal-span.org/cgi-bin/media.pl?folder=CCC LAMariner's Presentation is posted on LAMariner.com Documents Page -- All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent. Thomas Jefferson Visit LAMariner.com

yo dave, just call them and request a transfer to a local court in your city near you.. tell them its too far to travel for you. i get those all the time for LA and i tell them i live in malibu, and that i want to transfer my jury duty to the malibu court house. havnt had to go to one yet.. cheers eric On Jan 11, 2008, at 6:34 PM, Paulson wrote: > > I just got a call for jury duty at the fedral court in Los Angeles. > Dont know if I can get out of this. long way for me to go down > there . > Any sugestions > Dave Paulson > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gerald Sobel > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 10:21 PM > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Fw: Win for Marina Del Rey > > > See, sometimes efforts come through. Sadly, the developers don't > really care about rules, they break rules and do as they please, as > we know. > Jerry > > --- On Thu, 1/10/08, Stuart Little <la… [at] gmail.com> wrote: > From: Stuart Little <la… [at] gmail.com> > Subject: Win for Marina Del Rey > To: na… [at] gmail.com > Date: Thursday, January 10, 2008, 12:07 PM > > > > <001501c854c3$b4eaecf0$0202a8c0> > > California Coastal Commission Sympathetic To Marina Del Rey Community > > In This Issue > > · Success with the CCC > > Information Sites > > LAMariner.com > > WeAreMDR.com > > Coalition to Save The Marina > > > > Contact Us > > la… [at] gmail.com > > 310-578-5050 > > Three Home Runs > > After 6 hours of testimony from residents, developers, consultants, > and members of our boating community, the Coastal Commissioners > unanimously voted to strengthen the LCP to include: > > 1) ESHA designation -Blue Heron habitat (protected from > development in MDR) > > 2) No loss in total number of slips 30' and under (hinders > "big boats" push) > > 3) A comprehensive analysis/audit in Marina Del Rey > > More than 80 public speakers showed up at 10AM to testify. > Presentations from the Coalition to Save the Marina, Audubon > Society, WeAREMDR, and LAMariner helped showcase the issues in our > community. After initial outbursts by the public, Commissioners > settled the meeting and advised alternative methods of support and > displeasure. One of the early highlights was Commissioner Bill > Burke's blasting Los Angeles County Regional Planning's Ron Hoffman > for declining the recommendation for public review of the LCP > before the Coastal Commission meeting. This "public flogging" > lasted 10 minutes and certainly helped with our success. > > The video of yesterday's meeting will be found here: > > http://www.cal-span.org/cgi-bin/media.pl?folder=CCC > > > LAMariner's Presentation is posted on LAMariner.com Documents Page > > > > > > > -- > All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good > conscience to remain silent. > Thomas Jefferson > > Visit LAMariner.com > > >

Whuuut.... you can almost always get out of it. Not to say you should, but... you can get them to move your date, or tell them you'll be out of town. etc. M. Paulson wrote: > I just got a call for jury duty at the fedral court in Los Angeles. > Dont know if I can get out of this. long way for me to go down there . > Any sugestions > Dave Paulson > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Gerald Sobel <mailto:so… [at] yahoo.com> > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > *Sent:* Thursday, January 10, 2008 10:21 PM > *Subject:* [Cal_Boats] Fw: Win for Marina Del Rey > > See, sometimes efforts come through. Sadly, the developers don't > really care about rules, they break rules and do as they please, > as we know. > Jerry > > --- On *Thu, 1/10/08, Stuart Little /<la… [at] gmail.com > <mailto:la… [at] gmail.com>>/* wrote: > > From: Stuart Little <la… [at] gmail.com > <mailto:la… [at] gmail.com>> > Subject: Win for Marina Del Rey > To: na… [at] gmail.com <mailto:na… [at] gmail.com> > Date: Thursday, January 10, 2008, 12:07 PM > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > California Coastal Commission Sympathetic To Marina Del Rey > Community > > In This Issue > > · Success with the CCC > > *_Information Sites_* > > LAMariner.com <http://lamariner.com/> > > WeAreMDR.com <http://wearemdr.com/> > > Coalition to Save The Marina <http://www.savemdr.org/> > > ** > > *Contact Us* > > la… [at] gmail.com <mailto:la… [at] gmail.com> > > 310-578-5050 > > > > > *Three Home Runs* > > > After 6 hours of testimony from residents, developers, > consultants, and members of our boating community, the > Coastal Commissioners unanimously voted to strengthen the > LCP to include: > > 1) ESHA designation -Blue Heron habitat (protected from > development in MDR) > > 2) No loss in total number of slips 30' and under > (hinders "big boats" push) > > 3) A comprehensive analysis/audit in Marina Del Rey > > More than 80 public speakers showed up at 10AM to testify. > Presentations from the Coalition to Save the Marina, Audubon > Society, WeAREMDR, and LAMariner helped showcase the issues in > our community. After initial outbursts by the public, > Commissioners settled the meeting and advised alternative > methods of support and displeasure. One of the early > highlights was Commissioner Bill Burke's blasting Los Angeles > County Regional Planning's Ron Hoffman for declining the > recommendation for public review of the LCP before the Coastal > Commission meeting. This "public flogging" lasted 10 minutes > and certainly helped with our success. > > The video of yesterday's meeting will be found here: > > http://www.cal-span.org/cgi-bin/media.pl?folder=CCC > <http://www.cal-span.org/cgi-bin/media.pl?folder=CCC%20> > > > *LAMariner's Presentation is posted on LAMariner.com Documents > Page* > > > > > > > > > -- > All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good > conscience to remain silent. > Thomas Jefferson > > Visit LAMariner.com > >

Oh, didn't see the Federal thing. My brother got one of those once... he was pissed. I think he ended up driving all the way to LA and then released. :-0 Eric Jackson wrote: > yo dave, > just call them and request a transfer to a local court in your city > near you.. tell them its too far to travel for you. > i get those all the time for LA and i tell them i live in malibu, and > that i want to transfer my jury duty to the malibu court house. > havnt had to go to one yet.. > cheers > eric > > > > On Jan 11, 2008, at 6:34 PM, Paulson wrote: > >> >> I just got a call for jury duty at the fedral court in Los Angeles. >> Dont know if I can get out of this. long way for me to go down there . >> Any sugestions >> Dave Paulson >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Gerald Sobel <mailto:so… [at] yahoo.com> >> *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> >> *Sent:* Thursday, January 10, 2008 10:21 PM >> *Subject:* [Cal_Boats] Fw: Win for Marina Del Rey >> >> >> See, sometimes efforts come through. Sadly, the developers don't >> really care about rules, they break rules and do as they please, >> as we know. >> Jerry >> >> --- On *Thu, 1/10/08, Stuart Little /<la… [at] gmail.com >> <mailto:la… [at] gmail.com>>/* wrote: >> >> From: Stuart Little <la… [at] gmail.com >> <mailto:la… [at] gmail.com>> >> Subject: Win for Marina Del Rey >> To: na… [at] gmail.com <mailto:na… [at] gmail.com> >> Date: Thursday, January 10, 2008, 12:07 PM >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> >> >> <001501c854c3$b4eaecf0$0202a8c0> >> >> >> >> California Coastal Commission Sympathetic To Marina Del Rey >> Community >> >> In This Issue >> >> · Success with the CCC >> >> *_Information Sites_* >> >> LAMariner.com <http://lamariner.com/> >> >> WeAreMDR.com <http://wearemdr.com/> >> >> Coalition to Save The Marina <http://www.savemdr.org/> >> >> ** >> >> *Contact Us* >> >> la… [at] gmail.com <mailto:la… [at] gmail.com> >> >> 310-578-5050 >> >> >> >> >> *Three Home Runs* >> >> >> After 6 hours of testimony from residents, developers, >> consultants, and members of our boating community, the >> Coastal Commissioners unanimously voted to strengthen the >> LCP to include: >> >> 1) ESHA designation -Blue Heron habitat (protected from >> development in MDR) >> >> 2) No loss in total number of slips 30' and under >> (hinders "big boats" push) >> >> 3) A comprehensive analysis/audit in Marina Del Rey >> >> More than 80 public speakers showed up at 10AM to testify. >> Presentations from the Coalition to Save the Marina, Audubon >> Society, WeAREMDR, and LAMariner helped showcase the issues >> in our community. After initial outbursts by the public, >> Commissioners settled the meeting and advised alternative >> methods of support and displeasure. One of the early >> highlights was Commissioner Bill Burke's blasting Los Angeles >> County Regional Planning's Ron Hoffman for declining the >> recommendation for public review of the LCP before the >> Coastal Commission meeting. This "public flogging" lasted 10 >> minutes and certainly helped with our success. >> >> The video of yesterday's meeting will be found here: >> >> http://www.cal-span.org/cgi-bin/media.pl?folder=CCC >> <http://www.cal-span.org/cgi-bin/media.pl?folder=CCC%20> >> >> >> *LAMariner's Presentation is posted on LAMariner.com >> Documents Page* >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good >> conscience to remain silent. >> Thomas Jefferson >> >> Visit LAMariner.com >> >> >> > >

Usually, the notice to appear for jury sets forth a means by which you can attempt to excuse yourself. Usually, as stated by Marsh, the action merely delays your need to appear. Federal court hauls people in from all over the federal districts, which tend to be large and beyond city limits. Apart from that, we are all supposed to go and do our duty. I like to remind jurors our US Constitution is only as good as the jurors make it. Jury service is right up there with military service. It's where the US Constitution meets the road. I would love to serve on a jury. The last time I was called, the judge, prosecutor, and defense all knew me. I was booted off. Sometimes, jury trials are like reading a good book. From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Marsh Wise Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 7:03 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] jury duty Oh, didn't see the Federal thing. My brother got one of those once... he was pissed. I think he ended up driving all the way to LA and then released. :-0 Eric Jackson wrote: yo dave, just call them and request a transfer to a local court in your city near you.. tell them its too far to travel for you. i get those all the time for LA and i tell them i live in malibu, and that i want to transfer my jury duty to the malibu court house. havnt had to go to one yet.. cheers eric On Jan 11, 2008, at 6:34 PM, Paulson wrote: I just got a call for jury duty at the fedral court in Los Angeles. Dont know if I can get out of this. long way for me to go down there . Any sugestions Dave Paulson ----- Original Message ----- From: Gerald Sobel To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 10:21 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Fw: Win for Marina Del Rey See, sometimes efforts come through. Sadly, the developers don't really care about rules, they break rules and do as they please, as we know. Jerry --- On Thu, 1/10/08, Stuart Little <la… [at] gmail.com> wrote: From: Stuart Little <la… [at] gmail.com> Subject: Win for Marina Del Rey To: na… [at] gmail.com Date: Thursday, January 10, 2008, 12:07 PM ------------------------------------------------------------------ <001501c854c3$b4eaecf0$0202a8c0> California Coastal Commission Sympathetic To Marina Del Rey Community In This Issue · Success with the CCC Information Sites LAMariner.com WeAreMDR.com Coalition to Save The Marina Contact Us la… [at] gmail.com 310-578-5050 Three Home Runs After 6 hours of testimony from residents, developers, consultants, and members of our boating community, the Coastal Commissioners unanimously voted to strengthen the LCP to include: 1) ESHA designation -Blue Heron habitat (protected from development in MDR) 2) No loss in total number of slips 30' and under (hinders "big boats" push) 3) A comprehensive analysis/audit in Marina Del Rey More than 80 public speakers showed up at 10AM to testify. Presentations from the Coalition to Save the Marina, Audubon Society, WeAREMDR, and LAMariner helped showcase the issues in our community. After initial outbursts by the public, Commissioners settled the meeting and advised alternative methods of support and displeasure. One of the early highlights was Commissioner Bill Burke's blasting Los Angeles County Regional Planning's Ron Hoffman for declining the recommendation for public review of the LCP before the Coastal Commission meeting. This "public flogging" lasted 10 minutes and certainly helped with our success. The video of yesterday's meeting will be found here: http://www.cal-span.org/cgi-bin/media.pl?folder=CCC LAMariner's Presentation is posted on LAMariner.com Documents Page -- All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent. Thomas Jefferson Visit LAMariner.com

Oh I agree -- it's just that it can be a real hardship. $7. a day or whatever it is, is ridiculous. :-( Alas, many of us cannot afford to take off for long and GAWD help you if called for some OJ/Scott Peterson thing.... Best, Marsh Bruce Stirling wrote: > Usually, the notice to appear for jury sets forth a means by which you > can attempt to excuse yourself. Usually, as stated by Marsh, the > action merely delays your need to appear. Federal court hauls people > in from all over the federal districts, which tend to be large and > beyond city limits. > > Apart from that, we are all supposed to go and do our duty. I like to > remind jurors our US Constitution is only as good as the jurors make > it. Jury service is right up there with military service. It's where > the US Constitution meets the road. I would love to serve on a jury. > The last time I was called, the judge, prosecutor, and defense all > knew me. I was booted off. Sometimes, jury trials are like reading a > good book. > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]*On Behalf Of *Marsh Wise > *Sent:* Saturday, January 12, 2008 7:03 AM > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] jury duty > > Oh, didn't see the Federal thing. My brother got one of those once... > he was pissed. I think he ended up driving all the way to LA and then > released. :-0 > > Eric Jackson wrote: > >> yo dave, >> just call them and request a transfer to a local court in your city >> near you.. tell them its too far to travel for you. >> i get those all the time for LA and i tell them i live in malibu, and >> that i want to transfer my jury duty to the malibu court house. >> havnt had to go to one yet.. >> cheers >> eric >> >> >> >> On Jan 11, 2008, at 6:34 PM, Paulson wrote: >> >>> >>> I just got a call for jury duty at the fedral court in Los Angeles. >>> Dont know if I can get out of this. long way for me to go down there . >>> Any sugestions >>> Dave Paulson >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> *From:* Gerald Sobel <mailto:so… [at] yahoo.com> >>> *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> >>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 10, 2008 10:21 PM >>> *Subject:* [Cal_Boats] Fw: Win for Marina Del Rey >>> >>> >>> See, sometimes efforts come through. Sadly, the developers don't >>> really care about rules, they break rules and do as they please, >>> as we know. >>> Jerry >>> >>> --- On *Thu, 1/10/08, Stuart Little /<la… [at] gmail.com >>> <mailto:la… [at] gmail.com>>/* wrote: >>> >>> From: Stuart Little <la… [at] gmail.com >>> <mailto:la… [at] gmail.com>> >>> Subject: Win for Marina Del Rey >>> To: na… [at] gmail.com <mailto:na… [at] gmail.com> >>> Date: Thursday, January 10, 2008, 12:07 PM >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> <001501c854c3$b4eaecf0$0202a8c0> >>> >>> >>> >>> California Coastal Commission Sympathetic To Marina Del Rey >>> Community >>> >>> In This Issue >>> >>> · Success with the CCC >>> >>> *_Information Sites_* >>> >>> LAMariner.com <http://lamariner.com/> >>> >>> WeAreMDR.com <http://wearemdr.com/> >>> >>> Coalition to Save The Marina <http://www.savemdr.org/> >>> >>> ** >>> >>> *Contact Us* >>> >>> la… [at] gmail.com <mailto:la… [at] gmail.com> >>> >>> 310-578-5050 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *Three Home Runs* >>> >>> >>> After 6 hours of testimony from residents, developers, >>> consultants, and members of our boating community, the >>> Coastal Commissioners unanimously voted to strengthen the >>> LCP to include: >>> >>> 1) ESHA designation -Blue Heron habitat (protected >>> from development in MDR) >>> >>> 2) No loss in total number of slips 30' and under >>> (hinders "big boats" push) >>> >>> 3) A comprehensive analysis/audit in Marina Del Rey >>> >>> More than 80 public speakers showed up at 10AM to testify. >>> Presentations from the Coalition to Save the Marina, Audubon >>> Society, WeAREMDR, and LAMariner helped showcase the issues >>> in our community. After initial outbursts by the public, >>> Commissioners settled the meeting and advised alternative >>> methods of support and displeasure. One of the early >>> highlights was Commissioner Bill Burke's blasting Los >>> Angeles County Regional Planning's Ron Hoffman for declining >>> the recommendation for public review of the LCP before the >>> Coastal Commission meeting. This "public flogging" lasted >>> 10 minutes and certainly helped with our success. >>> >>> The video of yesterday's meeting will be found here: >>> >>> http://www.cal-span.org/cgi-bin/media.pl?folder=CCC >>> <http://www.cal-span.org/cgi-bin/media.pl?folder=CCC%20> >>> >>> >>> *LAMariner's Presentation is posted on LAMariner.com >>> Documents Page* >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good >>> conscience to remain silent. >>> Thomas Jefferson >>> >>> Visit LAMariner.com >>> >>> >>> >> >

Just tell the interviewing attorney that if they were charged with a crime, they MUST be guilty, since cops don't make mistakes. ;-) It worked well for my dad. He hasn't been asked to serve on a jury since. Cheers To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.comFrom: ma… [at] reenactor.netDate: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 09:01:56 -0500Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] jury duty Whuuut.... you can almost always get out of it. Not to say you should, but... you can get them to move your date, or tell them you'll be out of town. etc.M.Paulson wrote: I just got a call for jury duty at the fedral court in Los Angeles. Dont know if I can get out of this. long way for me to go down there . Any sugestions Dave Paulson From: Gerald Sobel To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 10:21 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Fw: Win for Marina Del Rey See, sometimes efforts come through. Sadly, the developers don't really care about rules, they break rules and do as they please, as we know. Jerry--- On Thu, 1/10/08, Stuart Little <la… [at] gmail.com> wrote: From: Stuart Little <la… [at] gmail.com>Subject: Win for Marina Del ReyTo: na… [at] gmail.comDate: Thursday, January 10, 2008, 12:07 PM California Coastal Commission Sympathetic To Marina Del Rey Community In This Issue · Success with the CCC Information Sites LAMariner.com WeAreMDR.com Coalition to Save The Marina Contact Us la… [at] gmail.com 310-578-5050 Three Home Runs After 6 hours of testimony from residents, developers, consultants, and members of our boating community, the Coastal Commissioners unanimously voted to strengthen the LCP to include: 1) ESHA designation -Blue Heron habitat (protected from development in MDR) 2) No loss in total number of slips 30' and under (hinders "big boats" push) 3) A comprehensive analysis/audit in Marina Del Rey More than 80 public speakers showed up at 10AM to testify. Presentations from the Coalition to Save the Marina, Audubon Society, WeAREMDR, and LAMariner helped showcase the issues in our community. After initial outbursts by the public, Commissioners settled the meeting and advised alternative methods of support and displeasure. One of the early highlights was Commissioner Bill Burke's blasting Los Angeles County Regional Planning's Ron Hoffman for declining the recommendation for public review of the LCP before the Coastal Commission meeting. This "public flogging" lasted 10 minutes and certainly helped with our success. The video of yesterday's meeting will be found here: http://www.cal-span.org/cgi-bin/media.pl?folder=CCC LAMariner's Presentation is posted on LAMariner.com Documents Page -- All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent. Thomas Jefferson Visit LAMariner.com Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_powerofwindows_012008

Bruce Stirling wrote: > > > Apart from that, we are all supposed to go and do our duty. I like to > remind jurors our US Constitution is only as good as the jurors make > it. Jury service is right up there with military service. It's where > the US Constitution meets the road. Absolutely. It's one of those things that the founders of the country thought was so important that they put it in the Constitution. This is your final protection against government misbehavior or unfairness. Now we take all that for granted, and just assume that somebody else will take care of our rights (and our obligations). The court system is of no interest to most people until they have a dispute that's worth fighting over. We have institutionalized our fights, making them less a matter of who has more force behind them and more a matter of who is right. The way we keep the system honest is via the input of juries. For many people, jury service is the only time they will ever be involved in the governance of their own community. Chris Campbell

That will usually do it. Please just do not say that in front of the entire panel. The judge will usually, if they know what they are doing, allow you to make private statements to the attorneys out of the presence of the panel. Otherwise, you risk contamination of the entire panel. The defense attorney will probably move to strike the whole group, which will be denied. Trial then proceeds with everyone having heard your comment. Scary for the defendant, particularly if he/she is a loved one. ---------------------- Sailing content: I have not been sailing in six months! --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Scott Sauvageot <rxnumbercruncher@...> wrote: > > > Just tell the interviewing attorney that if they were charged with a crime, they MUST be guilty, since cops don't make mistakes. ;-) > > It worked well for my dad. He hasn't been asked to serve on a jury since. > > Cheers > > > To: Cal_Boats@...: marsh@...: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 09:01:56 -0500Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] jury duty > Whuuut.... you can almost always get out of it. Not to say you should, but... you can get them to move your date, or tell them you'll be out of town. etc.M.Paulson wrote: > > I just got a call for jury duty at the fedral court in Los Angeles. Dont know if I can get out of this. long way for me to go down there . > Any sugestions > Dave Paulson > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gerald Sobel > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 10:21 PM > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Fw: Win for Marina Del Rey > > > > > > > See, sometimes efforts come through. Sadly, the developers don't really care about rules, they break rules and do as they please, as we know. Jerry--- On Thu, 1/10/08, Stuart Little <lamariner@...> wrote: > From: Stuart Little <lamariner@...>Subject: Win for Marina Del ReyTo: nauticaljon@...: Thursday, January 10, 2008, 12:07 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > California Coastal Commission Sympathetic To Marina Del Rey Community > > > In This Issue > · Success with the CCC > Information Sites > LAMariner.com > WeAreMDR.com > Coalition to Save The Marina > > Contact Us > lamariner@... > 310-578-5050 > > Three Home Runs > After 6 hours of testimony from residents, developers, consultants, and members of our boating community, the Coastal Commissioners unanimously voted to strengthen the LCP to include: > 1) ESHA designation -Blue Heron habitat (protected from development in MDR) > 2) No loss in total number of slips 30' and under (hinders "big boats" push) > 3) A comprehensive analysis/audit in Marina Del Rey > More than 80 public speakers showed up at 10AM to testify. Presentations from the Coalition to Save the Marina, Audubon Society, WeAREMDR, and LAMariner helped showcase the issues in our community. After initial outbursts by the public, Commissioners settled the meeting and advised alternative methods of support and displeasure. One of the early highlights was Commissioner Bill Burke's blasting Los Angeles County Regional Planning's Ron Hoffman for declining the recommendation for public review of the LCP before the Coastal Commission meeting. This "public flogging" lasted 10 minutes and certainly helped with our success. > The video of yesterday's meeting will be found here: > http://www.cal-span.org/cgi-bin/media.pl?folder=CCC > LAMariner's Presentation is posted on LAMariner.com Documents Page > > -- All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent. Thomas Jefferson Visit LAMariner.com > _________________________________________________________________ > Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. > http://www.windowslive.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_powerofwindows_012008 >