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I've been asked to fill some might large sea boots, but here goes. I have created the following welcome message that I will try to remember to post from time to time (feel free to nudge me if you feel the time has come). It is derived from some of Brian Cleverly's posts; feel free to let me know (on-list or off-list) if you have anything else that you think I should add. ====== Welcome to the Cal List! As with any community, we have a few (very few) guidelines about participation here, designed to help keep this one of the best forums available on the Web. From time to time, we post these gentle reminders that we ask you to keep in mind. 1. We often have multiple replies to the original posting, and then we have replies to the replies. We have found that it makes it easier to track if you put the name of the person you are replying to in the Subject of your message. For example, if Joe sends a message with a subject of "help me I'm sinking", when you reply you add (Joe) to the end of the subject line. Re: help me I'm sinking (Joe) 2. On occasion, the thread of a discussion can depart from its initial course. When this happens, please change the Subject heading so the rest of us know. For example, Bill sends a message re mast step leaks, and this leads to you to initiate a discussion on caulking. Please change the Subject line with reference to the original, something like: Deck Caulking, was [Re: Mast Step] (Bill) 3. Some of our members read these messages as a daily digest, which strings all the messages from the past 24 hours into one long message. I know that it's easiest to just hit Reply, add your message to the top, and hit Send, but this often results in pages and pages of old messages being included in your message (not to mention all the confidentiality disclaimers that get appended when some folks reply from their office). If you would take a moment to clip all the extraneous tail of your reply, leaving enough to provide the context for your response, it will make it much easier and enjoyable for the digest users to read the messages. 4. Please sign your messages so we know who you are, especially if your email address doesn't indicate your name. It feels a little silly to discuss single-handed safety issues and have to start with "I agree with brassmonkey66 about safety harnesses." Just your first name will do if you want to be sociable but retain your privacy. You'll note that many participants include a signature block with their Cal model, year, hull number, and name. This is helpful in finding others with boats similar to yours. If you take the time to follow these suggestions, the rest will likely take care of itself. Thanks for your time and enjoy this, the best boat email list on the Web! (.with a tip of the Tilley to Cal guru, Brian Cleverly) Alfred Poor 1973 T34C #288, "Jambalaya" [and former owner of 1969 Cal 29 #132, "Pentaquod"]

Those shoes fit you fine. I knew you'd Man Up! David Wilkie Owen Cal 2-29 "Mariposa" Santa Barbara, CA http://www.mariposasailing.com From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Alfred Poor Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 5:29 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Welcome to the Cal List! I've been asked to fill some might large sea boots, but here goes. I have created the following welcome message that I will try to remember to post from time to time (feel free to nudge me if you feel the time has come). It is derived from some of Brian Cleverly's posts; feel free to let me know (on-list or off-list) if you <snip>

So, whatever happened to Brian? Last thing I remember he was trying to rehab (like singer Amy Winehouse on youtube song "Rehab"?) an older classic plastic design ocean cruiser-the name of the boat escapes me at this moment-and cut away so much rotten laminations that he gave up and sent the boat to the land fill. This was after he had successfully restored a Mark II Cal 25, from which he removed the gelcoat using paint remover that dissolved epoxy- the same stuff I used to remove the old varnish on my Cal 24 woodwork. I remember he was marketing an alternative to the classic roller furling, which enabled you to remove the sail from the forestay easily. Then..Pooof! he vanished. I really miss his authoritative commentary. Jerry

While we're at it, is it too early to start thinking about a Spring Time CCCCC in Catalina? Who's planning to do the Ensenada Race? The Pacific Cup? There's a San Fernando Yacht Club Race here in Marina del Rey this Saturday. Pretty low key, we meet at the Burton Chase Park Guest Dock adjacent to the fish pen between 9-9:30 AM to pick up race instructions, fill out forms and pay modest entry fee. Then it's off to the races! Jerry --- On Mon, 1/28/08, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: From: Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Brian Cleverly? To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, January 28, 2008, 10:50 PM So, whatever happened to Brian? Last thing I remember he was trying to rehab (like singer Amy Winehouse on youtube song "Rehab"?) an older classic plastic design ocean cruiser-the name of the boat escapes me at this moment-and cut away so much rotten laminations that he gave up and sent the boat to the land fill. This was after he had successfully restored a Mark II Cal 25, from which he removed the gelcoat using paint remover that dissolved epoxy- the same stuff I used to remove the old varnish on my Cal 24 woodwork. I remember he was marketing an alternative to the classic roller furling, which enabled you to remove the sail from the forestay easily. Then..Pooof! he vanished. I really miss his authoritative commentary. Jerry

"Meet The New Boss, Same as the old boss......" <He, he, he......> all i really want ta-know is where the bloohy hell has every one i remember gone.....? Fred's crew...... (5er) ******************************** --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Alfred Poor" <apoor@...> wrote: > > I've been asked to fill some might large sea boots, but here goes. I have > created the following welcome message that I will try to remember to post > from time to time (feel free to nudge me if you feel the time has come). It > is derived from some of Brian Cleverly's posts; feel free to let me know > (on-list or off-list) if you have anything else that you think I should add. > >

Alfred Poor wrote: > > I've been asked to fill some might large sea boots, but here goes. I > have created the following welcome message that I will try to remember > to post from time to time (feel free to nudge me if you feel the time > has come). It is derived from some of Brian Cleverly's posts; feel > free to let me know (on-list or off-list) if you have anything else > that you think I should add. > My only suggestion, based on experience on some other lists, is that you include a standard civility warning. We don't have any problem with that now, perhaps because sailors are tolerant and laid-back. But stating a preference for civilized interchanges is good. Chris Campbell

how about something like gas-burner's not welcome..... :)(: (did i say that) na...... ************************************ > > > > My only suggestion, based on experience on some other lists, is that you > include a standard civility warning. We don't have any problem with > that now, perhaps because sailors are tolerant and laid-back. But > stating a preference for civilized interchanges is good. > > Chris Campbell >

And we won't get fooled again. ...P. Townshend Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of slickbutfoxbuger Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 8:49 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Welcome to the Cal List! "Meet The New Boss, Same as the old boss......" <He, he, he......> all i really want ta-know is where the bloohy hell has every one i remember gone.....? Fred's crew...... (5er) ******************************** --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Alfred Poor" <apoor@...> wrote: > > I've been asked to fill some might large sea boots, but here goes. I have > created the following welcome message that I will try to remember to post > from time to time (feel free to nudge me if you feel the time has come). It > is derived from some of Brian Cleverly's posts; feel free to let me know > (on-list or off-list) if you have anything else that you think I should add.

Hi all you SoCal-Cal sailers, This seems like a good time to mention that my GF and I will be visiting your area for a weekend about every month starting this spring. We would love to "help" you and be crew for any event or day sail while there. We realize sailing the coast is vastly different than Lake Mead here in Las Vegas. In this regard we are looking to trade our "help" in aquiring some of your experience. Oh yeah, we are fun too! Kevin O. Cal-31 "Kona" Las Vegas Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: While we're at it, is it too early to start thinking about a Spring Time CCCCC in Catalina? Who's planning to do the Ensenada Race? The Pacific Cup? There's a San Fernando Yacht Club Race here in Marina del Rey this Saturday. Pretty low key, we meet at the Burton Chase Park Guest Dock adjacent to the fish pen between 9-9:30 AM to pick up race instructions, fill out forms and pay modest entry fee. Then it's off to the races! Jerry --- On Mon, 1/28/08, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: From: Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Brian Cleverly? To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, January 28, 2008, 10:50 PM So, whatever happened to Brian? Last thing I remember he was trying to rehab (like singer Amy Winehouse on youtube song "Rehab"?) an older classic plastic design ocean cruiser-the name of the boat escapes me at this moment-and cut away so much rotten laminations that he gave up and sent the boat to the land fill. This was after he had successfully restored a Mark II Cal 25, from which he removed the gelcoat using paint remover that dissolved epoxy- the same stuff I used to remove the old varnish on my Cal 24 woodwork. I remember he was marketing an alternative to the classic roller furling, which enabled you to remove the sail from the forestay easily. Then..Pooof! he vanished. I really miss his authoritative commentary. Jerry --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.

Brian gave me a huge amount of assistance on the refinishing of my Cal 39 last year. At the time he was working on a complete refit of an older boat and unless the pictures he sent me (to illustrate some techniques he was using) were all oa hoax, the project was going quite well. He said he planned to finish up the refit and then depart on an extended cruise. The last email communication I had with him was in May of last year so I presume that he did finish up and headed out. He was incredibly helpful to me - I could not have managed the project I don't think without his input. Bob Andrew Cal 39 Nereid Norwalk, CT From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gerald Sobel Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 2:01 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CCCCC, racing, was....Brian Cleverly? While we're at it, is it too early to start thinking about a Spring Time CCCCC in Catalina? Who's planning to do the Ensenada Race? The Pacific Cup? There's a San Fernando Yacht Club Race here in Marina del Rey this Saturday. Pretty low key, we meet at the Burton Chase Park Guest Dock adjacent to the fish pen between 9-9:30 AM to pick up race instructions, fill out forms and pay modest entry fee. Then it's off to the races! Jerry --- On Mon, 1/28/08, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: From: Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Brian Cleverly? To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, January 28, 2008, 10:50 PM So, whatever happened to Brian? Last thing I remember he was trying to rehab (like singer Amy Winehouse on youtube song "Rehab"?) an older classic plastic design ocean cruiser-the name of the boat escapes me at this moment-and cut away so much rotten laminations that he gave up and sent the boat to the land fill. This was after he had successfully restored a Mark II Cal 25, from which he removed the gelcoat using paint remover that dissolved epoxy- the same stuff I used to remove the old varnish on my Cal 24 woodwork. I remember he was marketing an alternative to the classic roller furling, which enabled you to remove the sail from the forestay easily. Then..Pooof! he vanished. I really miss his authoritative commentary. Jerry

Just spoke with Brian (BC), his new email is br… [at] anzam.com Visit his web-site and see what he is up to.. www.anzam.com <http://www.anzam.com> dEmO From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of R. Andrew Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 2:15 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] CCCCC, racing, was....Brian Cleverly? Brian gave me a huge amount of assistance on the refinishing of my Cal 39 last year. At the time he was working on a complete refit of an older boat and unless the pictures he sent me (to illustrate some techniques he was using) were all oa hoax, the project was going quite well. He said he planned to finish up the refit and then depart on an extended cruise. The last email communication I had with him was in May of last year so I presume that he did finish up and headed out. He was incredibly helpful to me - I could not have managed the project I don't think without his input. Bob Andrew Cal 39 Nereid Norwalk, CT From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gerald Sobel Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 2:01 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CCCCC, racing, was....Brian Cleverly? While we're at it, is it too early to start thinking about a Spring Time CCCCC in Catalina? Who's planning to do the Ensenada Race? The Pacific Cup? There's a San Fernando Yacht Club Race here in Marina del Rey this Saturday. Pretty low key, we meet at the Burton Chase Park Guest Dock adjacent to the fish pen between 9-9:30 AM to pick up race instructions, fill out forms and pay modest entry fee. Then it's off to the races! Jerry --- On Mon, 1/28/08, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: From: Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Brian Cleverly? To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, January 28, 2008, 10:50 PM So, whatever happened to Brian? Last thing I remember he was trying to rehab (like singer Amy Winehouse on youtube song "Rehab"?) an older classic plastic design ocean cruiser-the name of the boat escapes me at this moment-and cut away so much rotten laminations that he gave up and sent the boat to the land fill. This was after he had successfully restored a Mark II Cal 25, from which he removed the gelcoat using paint remover that dissolved epoxy- the same stuff I used to remove the old varnish on my Cal 24 woodwork. I remember he was marketing an alternative to the classic roller furling, which enabled you to remove the sail from the forestay easily. Then..Pooof! he vanished. I really miss his authoritative commentary. Jerry

The preferred style they want us to use when adding to or changing subject is, or would be: ] day sail, was: CCCCC..etc. That's so folks in the future can track down info from previous conversations, amplifying the utility of this discussion room. Don't worry it's easy for even old timers to forget the format, forget the person's message referred to (Kevin) or (name of person's message you'd like to address) and yes, I haven't yet gotten the hang of, or tried the clip out the phrase and delete the rest, I'm to anxious to reply to stop and thing about how the next person will attempt to make sense of my commentary. But...to answer your question...I've got a smallish boat but i could probably squeeze four crew aboard. But, if I know when you folks are coming i probably can get you on a boat on a day sail or a race. And, good to hear from you! Jerry --- On Tue, 1/29/08, Kevin O <fi… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: From: Kevin O <fi… [at] yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CCCCC, racing, Day Sail To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 29, 2008, 9:41 AM Hi all you SoCal-Cal sailers, This seems like a good time to mention that my GF and I will be visiting your area for a weekend about every month starting this spring. We would love to "help" you and be crew for any event or day sail while there. We realize sailing the coast is vastly different than Lake Mead here in Las Vegas. In this regard we are looking to trade our "help" in aquiring some of your experience. Oh yeah, we are fun too! Kevin O. Cal-31 "Kona" Las Vegas

Kevin, Let us know where you will be. In the Santa Barbra Channel area, are always looking for crew. Randy CAL 2-29 Out Patient Channel Islands Ca. Kevin O <fi… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: Hi all you SoCal-Cal sailers, This seems like a good time to mention that my GF and I will be visiting your area for a weekend about every month starting this spring. We would love to "help" you and be crew for any event or day sail while there. We realize sailing the coast is vastly different than Lake Mead here in Las Vegas. In this regard we are looking to trade our "help" in aquiring some of your experience. Oh yeah, we are fun too! Kevin O. Cal-31 "Kona" Las Vegas Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: While we're at it, is it too early to start thinking about a Spring Time CCCCC in Catalina? Who's planning to do the Ensenada Race? The Pacific Cup? There's a San Fernando Yacht Club Race here in Marina del Rey this Saturday. Pretty low key, we meet at the Burton Chase Park Guest Dock adjacent to the fish pen between 9-9:30 AM to pick up race instructions, fill out forms and pay modest entry fee. Then it's off to the races! Jerry --- On Mon, 1/28/08, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: From: Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Brian Cleverly? To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, January 28, 2008, 10:50 PM So, whatever happened to Brian? Last thing I remember he was trying to rehab (like singer Amy Winehouse on youtube song "Rehab"?) an older classic plastic design ocean cruiser-the name of the boat escapes me at this moment-and cut away so much rotten laminations that he gave up and sent the boat to the land fill. This was after he had successfully restored a Mark II Cal 25, from which he removed the gelcoat using paint remover that dissolved epoxy- the same stuff I used to remove the old varnish on my Cal 24 woodwork. I remember he was marketing an alternative to the classic roller furling, which enabled you to remove the sail from the forestay easily. Then..Pooof! he vanished. I really miss his authoritative commentary. Jerry --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.

Hi Jerry Thank you for your offer! What part of SoCal are you sailing from? We will let you know what our plans will be in that area. In regards to the post/title My thinking was letting everyone know we are up for ANY event... well not the trans pac yet LOL That is why I just added an option I will get the hang of it soon I hope! Kevin O. "Kona" Cal-31 Las Vegas Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: The preferred style they want us to use when adding to or changing subject is, or would be: ] day sail, was: CCCCC..etc. That's so folks in the future can track down info from previous conversations, amplifying the utility of this discussion room. Don't worry it's easy for even old timers to forget the format, forget the person's message referred to (Kevin) or (name of person's message you'd like to address) and yes, I haven't yet gotten the hang of, or tried the clip out the phrase and delete the rest, I'm to anxious to reply to stop and thing about how the next person will attempt to make sense of my commentary. But...to answer your question...I've got a smallish boat but i could probably squeeze four crew aboard. But, if I know when you folks are coming i probably can get you on a boat on a day sail or a race. And, good to hear from you! Jerry --- On Tue, 1/29/08, Kevin O <fi… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: From: Kevin O <fi… [at] yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CCCCC, racing, Day Sail To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 29, 2008, 9:41 AM Hi all you SoCal-Cal sailers, This seems like a good time to mention that my GF and I will be visiting your area for a weekend about every month starting this spring. We would love to "help" you and be crew for any event or day sail while there. We realize sailing the coast is vastly different than Lake Mead here in Las Vegas. In this regard we are looking to trade our "help" in aquiring some of your experience. Oh yeah, we are fun too! Kevin O. Cal-31 "Kona" Las Vegas --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.

Hi Randy, We will let you know as soon as we schedule our first trip We are wanting to do a little "pre-shopping" for a 40'+ cruiser and since there are exactly ZERO in LV we will be checking out the options in SoCal from SB to SD Thanks! Kevin O "Kona" Cal-31 Las Vegas Randy Alcorn <sa… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: Kevin, Let us know where you will be. In the Santa Barbra Channel area, are always looking for crew. Randy CAL 2-29 Out Patient Channel Islands Ca. Kevin O <fi… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: Hi all you SoCal-Cal sailers, This seems like a good time to mention that my GF and I will be visiting your area for a weekend about every month starting this spring. We would love to "help" you and be crew for any event or day sail while there. We realize sailing the coast is vastly different than Lake Mead here in Las Vegas. In this regard we are looking to trade our "help" in aquiring some of your experience. Oh yeah, we are fun too! Kevin O. Cal-31 "Kona" Las Vegas Recent Activity 5 New Members 6 New Files Visit Your Group Health Zone Look your best! Groups to help you look & feel great. Yahoo! News Get it all here Breaking news to entertainment news Yahoo! Finance It's Now Personal Guides, news, advice & more. . --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.

Kevin, I sail out of Marina del Rey, on the West side of the Los Angeles Area/Central Santa Monica Bay. Jerry --- On Wed, 1/30/08, Kevin O <fi… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: From: Kevin O <fi… [at] yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CCCCC, racing, Day Sail (Jerry) To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 30, 2008, 12:53 PM Hi Jerry Thank you for your offer! What part of SoCal are you sailing from? We will let you know what our plans will be in that area. In regards to the post/title My thinking was letting everyone know we are up for ANY event... well not the trans pac yet LOL That is why I just added an option I will get the hang of it soon I hope! Kevin O. "Kona" Cal-31 Las Vegas Gerald Sobel <sobel_solar@ yahoo.com> wrote: The preferred style they want us to use when adding to or changing subject is, or would be: ] day sail, was: CCCCC..etc. That's so folks in the future can track down info from previous conversations, amplifying the utility of this discussion room. Don't worry it's easy for even old timers to forget the format, forget the person's message referred to (Kevin) or (name of person's message you'd like to address) and yes, I haven't yet gotten the hang of, or tried the clip out the phrase and delete the rest, I'm to anxious to reply to stop and thing about how the next person will attempt to make sense of my commentary. But...to answer your question...I' ve got a smallish boat but i could probably squeeze four crew aboard. But, if I know when you folks are coming i probably can get you on a boat on a day sail or a race. And, good to hear from you! Jerry --- On Tue, 1/29/08, Kevin O <first4banger@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: Kevin O <first4banger@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CCCCC, racing, Day Sail To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Date: Tuesday, January 29, 2008, 9:41 AM Hi all you SoCal-Cal sailers, This seems like a good time to mention that my GF and I will be visiting your area for a weekend about every month starting this spring. We would love to "help" you and be crew for any event or day sail while there. We realize sailing the coast is vastly different than Lake Mead here in Las Vegas. In this regard we are looking to trade our "help" in aquiring some of your experience. Oh yeah, we are fun too! Kevin O. Cal-31 "Kona" Las Vegas Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.