Re: Beer Preferences (Jerry) [compass bubble and vodka

In discussions with the service department of Richie in Massachusetts, I have learned that they use odorless paint thinner at the factory. Bill Kusmik "Alexa" Annapolis

This is what I have been told as well. So when a bubble developed in my compass over a winter, I bought a small bottle at the HD and used a epoxy hypo to inject the fluid into the fill hole. You really need to be careful on how you handle the compass upside down. I rotated mine off the spindle and it took a little more effort to get the card to spin properly. Chris, (I think if you use the flame test, paint thinner may burn also) YMMV John From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill kusmik Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 8:38 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [SPAM][Cal_Boats] Re: Beer Preferences (Jerry) [compass bubble and vodka In discussions with the service department of Richie in Massachusetts, I have learned that they use odorless paint thinner at the factory. Bill Kusmik "Alexa" Annapolis

bill kusmik wrote: > > In discussions with the service department of Richie in Massachusetts, > I have learned that they use odorless paint thinner at the factory. > That's useful info for us Ritchie owners. I was discussing alcohol behavior with somebody on this list and the question was whether in a 50/50 alcohol/water mix the alcohol evaporates faster than water or they go off together. I posed the question to a friend who is a sailor and chemistry teacher. Here's what he said: Chris, There is an attraction between ethyl alcohol and water and the attraction is due to hydrogen bonding. However, the alcohol is somewhat less strongly held as evidence from the fact that when you start the distilling process you get mostly alcohol with just a little water. As the process continues the amount of alcohol that comes across decreases and the amount of water increases. You shut down the still when you get the proof you want. Now, when we use alcohol and water in a compass, we're not doing it at the boiling point, so maybe the alcohol is more likely to stay bonded and to evaporate with, and not before, the water. Chris Campbell

I posted all of this earlier, but my post was rejected (apparently sent from wrong email address on my notebook.) Sorry... So Odorless Mineral Spirits is the bomb for sure, but an additional tip is to keep the can in your freezer for 24 hours before you fill the compass and replace all of the thinner instead of just topping it off. Then-- when you discover that no matter how hard you try with your little syringe you just can't fill it enough to avoid that last little bubble -- it's no problem. As the freezing cold mineral spirits warm up, it assimilates the oxygen in the bubble and it will disappear forever. It really works. And by the way.... after cracking the globe on my Globemaster last year, it ended up being cheaper to have Ritchie rebuild it than to buy the parts. They have a "fixed repair rate" and what they do is upgrade every part of the compass that has been improved over the years. Since my compass was 30 years old, it was a completely different unit when it came home. The tech that called for my credit card number told me the only part not replaced was the original Stainless Steel shell. So I got a new $550 compass for $225. The card, lighting, damping, everything works better than ever... Wilkie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of john raxter Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 4:49 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] compass bubble and vodka (thinner) This is what I have been told as well. So when a bubble developed in my compass over a winter, I bought a small bottle at the HD and used a epoxy hypo to inject the fluid into the fill hole. You really need to be careful on how you handle the compass upside down. I rotated mine off the spindle and it took a little more effort to get the card to spin properly. Chris, (I think if you use the flame test, paint thinner may burn also) YMMV John From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill kusmik Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 8:38 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [SPAM][Cal_Boats] Re: Beer Preferences (Jerry) [compass bubble and vodka In discussions with the service department of Richie in Massachusetts, I have learned that they use odorless paint thinner at the factory. Bill Kusmik "Alexa" Annapolis

Interesting, David. I like it. The question I had throughout this discussion is how the compass started leaking in the first place. If we are using oils and the like to refill, then repairing any cracks would be quite difficult from an adhesion point of view. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Wilkie Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 2:10 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Freezing Spirits - compass - rebuilds I posted all of this earlier, but my post was rejected (apparently sent from wrong email address on my notebook.) Sorry... So Odorless Mineral Spirits is the bomb for sure, but an additional tip is to keep the can in your freezer for 24 hours before you fill the compass and replace all of the thinner instead of just topping it off. Then-- when you discover that no matter how hard you try with your little syringe you just can't fill it enough to avoid that last little bubble -- it's no problem. As the freezing cold mineral spirits warm up, it assimilates the oxygen in the bubble and it will disappear forever. It really works. And by the way.... after cracking the globe on my Globemaster last year, it ended up being cheaper to have Ritchie rebuild it than to buy the parts. They have a "fixed repair rate" and what they do is upgrade every part of the compass that has been improved over the years. Since my compass was 30 years old, it was a completely different unit when it came home. The tech that called for my credit card number told me the only part not replaced was the original Stainless Steel shell. So I got a new $550 compass for $225. The card, lighting, damping, everything works better than ever... Wilkie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of john raxter Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 4:49 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] compass bubble and vodka (thinner) This is what I have been told as well. So when a bubble developed in my compass over a winter, I bought a small bottle at the HD and used a epoxy hypo to inject the fluid into the fill hole. You really need to be careful on how you handle the compass upside down. I rotated mine off the spindle and it took a little more effort to get the card to spin properly. Chris, (I think if you use the flame test, paint thinner may burn also) YMMV John From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill kusmik Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 8:38 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [SPAM][Cal_Boats] Re: Beer Preferences (Jerry) [compass bubble and vodka In discussions with the service department of Richie in Massachusetts, I have learned that they use odorless paint thinner at the factory. Bill Kusmik "Alexa" Annapolis Yahoo! Groups Links

The first bubble that appeared seemed to be an 0-ring between the two globe halves or the one that sealed the fill screw. I replaced both rubber seals, used the freezing mineral spirits and no bubble for 5 years. I hit the globe hard enough to crack it with a winch handle during a 30 Knot channel crossing. The globe was crazed around the perimeter and one good knock was all it took. A large bubble appeared and kept growing rapidly... Thus the rebuild. Wilkie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Husar, Charlie [USA] Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 11:20 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Freezing Spirits - compass - rebuilds Interesting, David. I like it. The question I had throughout this discussion is how the compass started leaking in the first place. If we are using oils and the like to refill, then repairing any cracks would be quite difficult from an adhesion point of view. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Wilkie Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 2:10 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Freezing Spirits - compass - rebuilds I posted all of this earlier, but my post was rejected (apparently sent from wrong email address on my notebook.) Sorry... So Odorless Mineral Spirits is the bomb for sure, but an additional tip is to keep the can in your freezer for 24 hours before you fill the compass and replace all of the thinner instead of just topping it off. Then-- when you discover that no matter how hard you try with your little syringe you just can't fill it enough to avoid that last little bubble -- it's no problem. As the freezing cold mineral spirits warm up, it assimilates the oxygen in the bubble and it will disappear forever. It really works. And by the way.... after cracking the globe on my Globemaster last year, it ended up being cheaper to have Ritchie rebuild it than to buy the parts. They have a "fixed repair rate" and what they do is upgrade every part of the compass that has been improved over the years. Since my compass was 30 years old, it was a completely different unit when it came home. The tech that called for my credit card number told me the only part not replaced was the original Stainless Steel shell. So I got a new $550 compass for $225. The card, lighting, damping, everything works better than ever... Wilkie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of john raxter Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 4:49 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] compass bubble and vodka (thinner) This is what I have been told as well. So when a bubble developed in my compass over a winter, I bought a small bottle at the HD and used a epoxy hypo to inject the fluid into the fill hole. You really need to be careful on how you handle the compass upside down. I rotated mine off the spindle and it took a little more effort to get the card to spin properly. Chris, (I think if you use the flame test, paint thinner may burn also) YMMV John From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of bill kusmik Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 8:38 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: [SPAM][Cal_Boats] Re: Beer Preferences (Jerry) [compass bubble and vodka In discussions with the service department of Richie in Massachusetts, I have learned that they use odorless paint thinner at the factory. Bill Kusmik "Alexa" Annapolis Yahoo! Groups Links

Wilkie wrote: > > > > So Odorless Mineral Spirits is the bomb for sure, but an additional tip is > to keep the can in your freezer for 24 hours before you fill the > compass and > replace all of the thinner instead of just topping it off. Then-- when you > discover that no matter how hard you try with your little syringe you just > can't fill it enough to avoid that last little bubble -- it's no problem. > As the freezing cold mineral spirits warm up, it assimilates the oxygen in > the bubble and it will disappear forever. > You guys keep challenging my very tenuous grasp of chemistry and physics here, but it's my understanding that water, at least, holds more dissolved oxygen when cold than when hot (what happens when you heat water in a pan?--the oxygen comes out of solution and forms bubbles--same with the bottle of pop or beer as it warms up). I wonder if what's really going on is that the dissolved gas is under higher pressure because the fluid is under higher pressure as it warms up and expands. Higher pressure means it has less tendency to come out of solution. Again, look at what happens when you pop the cap on pop or beer containers--you get a puff of gas, pressure drops, bubbles form. Chris Campbell

I think the Vodka and Mineral Spirits will work together: 1) put both in the freezer, 2) down the Vodka while injecting the Spirits into the compass! 3) clean the compass lenses with the Spirits and any leftover Vodka. Mark Cal 2-29 San Pedro ----- Original Message ----- From: Husar, Charlie [USA] To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 11:20 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Freezing Spirits - compass - rebuilds Interesting, David. I like it. The question I had throughout this discussion is how the compass started leaking in the first place. If we are using oils and the like to refill, then repairing any cracks would be quite difficult from an adhesion point of view. Cheers Charlie -----Original Message----- From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Wilkie Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 2:10 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Freezing Spirits - compass - rebuilds I posted all of this earlier, but my post was rejected (apparently sent from wrong email address on my notebook.) Sorry... So Odorless Mineral Spirits is the bomb for sure, but an additional tip is to keep the can in your freezer for 24 hours before you fill the compass and replace all of the thinner instead of just topping it off. Then-- when you discover that no matter how hard you try with your little syringe you just can't fill it enough to avoid that last little bubble -- it's no problem. As the freezing cold mineral spirits warm up, it assimilates the oxygen in the bubble and it will disappear forever. It really works. And by the way.... after cracking the globe on my Globemaster last year, it ended up being cheaper to have Ritchie rebuild it than to buy the parts. They have a "fixed repair rate" and what they do is upgrade every part of the compass that has been improved over the years. Since my compass was 30 years old, it was a completely different unit when it came home. The tech that called for my credit card number told me the only part not replaced was the original Stainless Steel shell. So I got a new $550 compass for $225. The card, lighting, damping, everything works better than ever... Wilkie -----Original Message----- From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of john raxter Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 4:49 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] compass bubble and vodka (thinner) This is what I have been told as well. So when a bubble developed in my compass over a winter, I bought a small bottle at the HD and used a epoxy hypo to inject the fluid into the fill hole. You really need to be careful on how you handle the compass upside down. I rotated mine off the spindle and it took a little more effort to get the card to spin properly. Chris, (I think if you use the flame test, paint thinner may burn also) YMMV John From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill kusmik Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 8:38 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [SPAM][Cal_Boats] Re: Beer Preferences (Jerry) [compass bubble and vodka In discussions with the service department of Richie in Massachusetts, I have learned that they use odorless paint thinner at the factory. Bill Kusmik "Alexa" Annapolis Yahoo! Groups Links __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 2945 (20080313) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com